| isekai (person in a strange world) anime has been quite popular recently the anime about main characters being transported into another world is often seen in these new anime and there are many discussions going on about them I suggest to make it into a genre! so more and more anime fans can understand this genre better and easily find out which anime belongs to this genre! * I know its a setting and a tag but the same goes with school, space etc isekai has particular thematic elements (person in a strange world, adapting to new life, exchanging knowledge and technology, rpg elements, 'cultural' shock etc) and it can potentially be a subgenre of fantasy just like school to romance/comedy/slife of life and samurai to historical |
MAYOIIIOct 23, 2018 6:36 PM
| Isn't isekai a subgenre of fantasy? Isekai goes hand in hand with the fantasy genre. No point as there would be a ton of overlap anyways. |
| It certainly is a genre, so I support this. Unfortunatelly, the staff who could do it, seemingly doesn't cares about MAL's broken tag system... and as the whole system is broken (many tags could be added and stuff), I could imagine they're like "if we add one, then there's no way to stop the flood of requests what else to add" (and I mean, things that are genres or important tags and would have their place in the database, such as isekai, mahou shoujo, and some others (such as various subgenres of the huge - and therefore not very useful - umbrella tag "gender bender") and possibly do something with the "shoujo ai" & "shounen ai" tag names that does not actually mean in Japanese what western think they mean (or so I read). And of course, it all just get worse day-by-day. more stuff get in the database they should check later for whether they need any of the new tags, as well as there are tons of stuff in the databse already they should check all, and then sometimes new genres born - such as Isekai - and then they should add it, and check the whole database what should be tagged with it. I could imagine though, it might could be done with the help of MAL users. Some users seem to be much more capable of crafting cool stuff MAL really could use, than the staff...? Or just members care while the staff doesn't that much. I mean, don't wanna hurt anyone (especially not mods, someone pointed out mods have absolutely no power over most of these issues either.) but it does really looks like, staff never cares about this issue, or many other issues, and just generally ignore 99% of the suggestions. (and usually takes ages to implement that 1% too...?) -Funland- said: Isn't isekai a subgenre of fantasy? Isekai goes hand in hand with the fantasy genre. No point as there would be a ton of overlap anyways. While it might be a sugbenre, it is quite unique in some aspects, IMO. and if you would be looking for isekai specifically, it would be an useful tag - as well if you would be looking for classical high-fantasy where you won't see computer messanges popping up every chapter informing about level up and what skills someone have. Isekai can be good, can be bad, some people like, some people hate, why not help people to find what they are looking for, or avoid what they dislike? |
Sora_92 said: do something with the "shoujo ai" & "shounen ai" tag names that does not actually mean in Japanese what western think they mean (or so I read) 少年愛 / shounen-ai literally means (young) boy's love. The term is not really used in Japan as in West, same for やおい / yaoi, as they simply refer to both of them as BL / boy's love / ボーイズラブ as far as I'm aware. Both of these terms however are actively used in Western community so there's no reason to change them even if Japan is not using them. If we were to change our terms to match Japan's then hentai would be simply called porn and that would certainly cause a lot of trouble. Ecchi would be most likely gone too since it has broader meaning in Japan. edit: forgot to mention 少女愛 / shoujo-ai = (young) girl's love 百合 / yuri = lily (he heh) Yuri in Japan includes both things, what we consider yuri and shoujo-ai, in it while in West the shoujo-ai tag is meant to not include pornography and softer materials are something many people want to see so if you were to merge them a lot would be lost. |
HakaminahSep 19, 2018 6:04 AM
 I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes. Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that. It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers. Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot? |
I know that. In some other conversation, I pointed it out, that, while they are wrong and redundant in my opinion - wrong, because look Japanese, but used in a different meaning, but whatever... and redundant, because there are 4 tags for basically 2 things. it's can be even quite difficult to decide where to put that imaginary border between "shoujo ai" and Yuri, or "shounen ai" and Yaoi. - However, if there are people who using them, then even if I find them redundant myself, they are useful. ("shoujo ai" and "shounen ai" could maybe be renamed to GL and BL, but let's put that aside for now, and many other sites use "shoujo ai" & "shounen ai" anyway, so it's probably less confusing this way. But just like how they are useful, even though you could argue about the need of 4 tags for 2 things, they are useful, so keep them. And so would other tags be useful too. Like you could say in a similar way, "it's like fantasy, there's no need of isekai tag" - but it isn't exactly the same, and I'm sure there are people who would find it useful, if there would be an isekai tag. But not like the people who could edit it seem to care about MAL's broken tag system... |
Sora_92 said: I know that. In some other conversation, I pointed it out, that, while they are wrong and redundant in my opinion - wrong, because look Japanese, but used in a different meaning, but whatever... and redundant, because there are 4 tags for basically 2 things. it's can be even quite difficult to decide where to put that imaginary border between "shoujo ai" and Yuri, or "shounen ai" and Yaoi. - However, if there are people who using them, then even if I find them redundant myself, they are useful. ("shoujo ai" and "shounen ai" could maybe be renamed to GL and BL, but let's put that aside for now, and many other sites use "shoujo ai" & "shounen ai" anyway, so it's probably less confusing this way. But just like how they are useful, even though you could argue about the need of 4 tags for 2 things, they are useful, so keep them. And so would other tags be useful too. Like you could say in a similar way, "it's like fantasy, there's no need of isekai tag" - but it isn't exactly the same, and I'm sure there are people who would find it useful, if there would be an isekai tag. But not like the people who could edit it seem to care about MAL's broken tag system... These terms are not used in "different meaning". They are simply not used or very rarely used and when they do, the meaning is the same. I don't know from who you heard that they aren't and I would like to hear what they want to say but that's a story for another time I guess. This site hasn't changed much over the last few years so if there's gonna be a change, it's gonna be huge and contain many things. All you can do is hope that it'll include new tags (which is something some mods want too). To be honest, threads like this one have no real meaning because in each and every one people just complain that the thing the want isn't here yet and to make things worse, instead of searching to see if such thread hasn't been made yet, they just create a new one so we end up with one thread multiplied and sometimes even scattered across boards. We already had before threads like "is isekai a genre?", "can you add isekai as genre?", and others. If it wasn't a thread centered about it then it still was mentioned somewhere else. More threads won't make the additional genre tag come sooner so isn't it enough? |
HakaminahSep 19, 2018 11:42 AM
I'm watching anime since 2012. I also play games, sometimes. Don't bother me if you want to 'become friends' or things like that. It's tiresome. I know you just want to collect some meaningless numbers. Thought: How many people sparked H. Charlotta just for blue pot? |
MayoiYui said: Well no, they were already a thing back in the 80s and 90s (you can even take it a bit further back). They somewhat dwindled in the 00s but started getting momentum again in the 10s.isekai (person in a strange world) anime has been quite popular recently the anime about main characters being transported into another world is often seen in these new anime and there are many discussions going on about them I suggest to make it into a genre! so more and more anime fans can understand this genre better and easily find out which anime belongs to this genre! |
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What I heard/read is that "shoujo ai" & "shounen ai" are - although not used very often - used as synonyms for pedophilia. which is clearly not the same thing as GL and BL. then again, it can be those who written that were wrong too. I don't know, I just read what some others written. But it's off topic anyway. And agree, the site did not changed that much, at least not regarding some of these things. But because these threads got ignored anyway, I don't know whether if would make any change if people just use an old thread and comment in there. I mean, sure, it would be a bit less messy - and mods tend to merge these anyway (one could argue then they at least looked at it though at least then. not that they have the power to actually solve the issue though) - but in the end, if the suggestion gets ignored by staff anyway, I don't know how important whether it's an old thead or noew. It'll be ignored anyway. (why do we even bother...?) (side note: it wasn't me who created this thread either anyway, so no need to tell it to me why to create a new thread for it) |
| Agree. Isekai has a pretty simple definition (anime where the main character spends most of their time in a universe other than their own) and it's common enough to deserve its own tag (more so than something like cars or vampire). As for it being a subgenre, there are already subgenres in the MAL tags so that wouldn't break anything. |
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| I don't see why it isn't already. "Space" is a genre, and that's basically the same principle (genre based on world/environment setting). |
| As a fan of isekai, I will agree with this suggestion because isekai is a widely known term at this point. It doesn't need more people to know shounen ai or shoujo ai to get it implemented. |
| I don't really care either way. I agree that it's a subgenre that probably doesn't need its own tag, but I also aknowledge that things like "Vampire" and "Demon" are also tags. However, if you really want to make this a thing, why not create a club about isekais and make an inventory of all the existing ones. That would patch the problem quite a bit since you now have a place where they are aggregated to redirect people to when they're looking for more or don't know about the genre. And if MAL ever decides to make the "isekai" tag a thing, they'll have most of the work done for them so they may be more open to it. edit: like, there's this one here https://myanimelist.net/clubs.php?cid=75197 but the listing doesn't seem complete to me. But the idea is there. |
HapHazrDSep 20, 2018 1:49 AM
-Funland- said: Isn't isekai a subgenre of fantasy? Isekai goes hand in hand with the fantasy genre. No point as there would be a ton of overlap anyways. well its true but you can say the same to samurai:historical / superpower:sci fi etc I've seen tons of people talking about isekai anime here and there (asking for anime that specifically has isekai theme) so I am thinking isekai should be specified as a genre |
| Yep. It deserves a genre. There are literally isekai anime every season not just one, but many! |
HapHazrD said: I rarely use those tags to search for anime so I forgot they existed but MAL really do have them as one of the genres lol.I agree that it's a subgenre that probably doesn't need its own tag, but I also aknowledge that things like "Vampire" and "Demon" are also tags. As a huge fan of isekai, I don't support this because it's really just a subgenre of fantasy. If we're going to have this, it's going to make things more complicated in the future. If anyone wants to look for a specific type of anime like isekai, there's other anime site like anime-planet or mangaupdates that help with that. But if MAL is having demons and vampires as one of the genres listed, might as well add isekai. The problem with this is that there's a chance that this fad may die down and go completely extinct, kinda like MMORPG anime. |
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Dark_Lord9 said: OP come back again once you understand the difference between a genre and a setting. MAL doesn't understand the difference either, it's okay. |
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Dark_Lord9 said: OP come back again once you understand the difference between a genre and a setting. superpower, school, vampire etc arent genres yet they are listed isekai could potentially be one too |
| It's already a genre though........... |
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changelog said: DIGITALJOSH said: It's already a genre though........... No it isn't? I thought I was going mad for a second there—isekai is not listed on the genres page. Just out of curiousity, "genres page" where? (((also pretty sure demons, vampires, cars, etc. also not listed there))) - it would be probably just better to call them "tags" alltogether, then it's fine whether it's a genre, subgenre, setting, demographic cathegory or anything else relevant regarding searching for something here. |
| Uh NO? It's not a genre but a setting element... Basically Isekai is this type of line in the initial setting "there is more than one world and a way to go from one to another exists". it's nothing more than that. initial setting elements are NOT a genre and will never be. Isekai is not a subgenre of fantasy either, you can basically use that setting titbit with every single genre of story without any problem. Science fiction, detective story, romance, slice of life, comedy, military, everything goes. |
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Zefyris said: Uh NO? It's not a genre but a setting element... Basically Isekai is this type of line in the initial setting "there is more than one world and a way to go from one to another exists". it's nothing more than that. initial setting elements are NOT a genre and will never be. Isekai is not a subgenre of fantasy either, you can basically use that setting titbit with every single genre of story without any problem. Science fiction, detective story, romance, slice of life, comedy, military, everything goes. it it a setting but it can also be a subgenre of fantasy. I'm pretty sure school and space are just settings as well yet they are considered genres as to MAL |
Thank you. Is it not the problem the thread itself is about though, that it not a genre - or rather, a "tag" in MAL's database? @Zefyris Is it a genre, is it not a genre? is it a subgenre? a setting? sure, it can be combined with other genres and stuff, like with fantasy, sci-fi, etc. but because it doesn't strictly belongs under one, it's probably not a subgenre... I guess. (but you can combine genres with other genres too. like romantic comedy, adventure fantasy, etc. (for real, works that belong purely under just one genre are super rare to begin with, IMO)) But what is the definition of a "genre"? there are things here like yuri and yaoi. you could say "but it's just a setting that it's about gay couples. yet I think it's widely accepted to be a genre here. likewise school life is just a setting. but there are soooooooooooooooooooooo many anime with it, that it deserves some sort of tag (it's probably a genre too anyway), because you might want to look for it specifically, or want to avoid it specifically. same with any other "tags" - let's call them tags. and rather than arguing about what IS a genre and what ISN'T a genre - because MAL has it wrong too with vampires, demons etc. being there as "genres", let's think about them as tags. then the question isn't whether it is a genre. maybe it is, maybe it's not, but I'm really really sure, there are people who would find it helpful to see stuff tagged with "isekai" whether they are specifically looking for it, or wish to avoid it. and it's not even something rare, since there are countless anime (and manga) that are isekai. (but in the end of the day, it's MAL's tag system we're talking about that not seems to change anytime soon... maybe in a few centuries... maaybe...) |
MayoiYui said: Zefyris said: Uh NO? It's not a genre but a setting element... Basically Isekai is this type of line in the initial setting "there is more than one world and a way to go from one to another exists". it's nothing more than that. initial setting elements are NOT a genre and will never be. Isekai is not a subgenre of fantasy either, you can basically use that setting titbit with every single genre of story without any problem. Science fiction, detective story, romance, slice of life, comedy, military, everything goes. it it a setting but it can also be a subgenre of fantasy. I'm pretty sure school and space are just settings as well yet they are considered genres as to MAL It cannot be a subgenre, that's not what a subgenre is. it can be part of a setting of a fantasy, but that's it. |
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Zefyris said: MayoiYui said: it it a setting but it can also be a subgenre of fantasy. I'm pretty sure school and space are just settings as well yet they are considered genres as to MAL It cannot be a subgenre, that's not what a subgenre is. it can be part of a setting of a fantasy, but that's it. actually I'm talking about making isekai a genre on myanimelist. As I mentioned I get it pp saying its a tag and a setting but it would be the same with school, space, vampire, demon etc they are just elements within an anime that do not have anything to do with genres. For instance some people prefer to watch anime involve space because they expect elements (uncertainty of space, vastness, ventures, loneliness, advanced technology); thats why these settings are enlisted as 'genres' on myanimelist. |
| As with all other threads that try to make this a genre, I think it should be. As well as Iyashikei. |
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MayoiYui said: Dark_Lord9 said: OP come back again once you understand the difference between a genre and a setting. superpower, school, vampire etc arent genres yet they are listed isekai could potentially be one too I know and that's what aliquae meant too and I don't agree with them being used as genres as well. They should use the synopsis to specify the setting and other similar things. |
| Isekai is completely different than standard fantasy and shouldn't be lumped into the fantasy tag. Yeah, its a sub-genre of sorts but its so prominent, having it tagged would give users a better understanding of what they're walking into. Using two anime airing this season, Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken and Goblin Slayer. Both of these are listed as Fantasy but appeal to completely different audiences. Tensei Slime is basically your standard power fantasy which tends to be the norm of an isekai, and follows the long line of tropes associated with it. Goblin Slayer is your standard dark fantasy which follows a lot of the similar tropes but with a much different progression of them compared to the first example. Other people have brought up stuff like superpower, shounen, shoujo, josei, seinen, vampire, school, etc. Which aren't "technically" genres, but we use these to identify various qualities which often get associated with them. A seasoned anime watcher at a glance various qualities about a show just by looking at its tags. A shounen, school, romance will often progress in a few number of ways, and if there more tags, that tends to narrow those down further. A magic, shoujo would also say a bit about what to expect. When looking for anime to potentially watch, people could potentially argue that having a lot of these "specific" tags might be a tad spoilerific, but I'd argue that having a better idea of what to expect in a show helps you to find exactly the kind of show you want to watch. Isekai is a term that slightly more seasoned watchers will easily recognize, and it isn't really difficult for new anime watchers to learn. Its not too hard to define, and label onto the shows that require it. If we seperate isekai from fantasy, the biggest difference would be that a main character is either: Transported to, Transmigrated to, or Reincarnated to "another world". That "theme" dictates how the character will behave. A character that is one of those three things, will not often, if at all, behave exactly like a character in a pure fantasy setting. The expectations you have for the main character of a show like Overlord, Log Horizon, Tensei Slime, Re:Zero, etc. are much different than the expectations you'd have on a show like Goblin Slayer, Attack on Titan, Blue Exorcist, Akame ga Kill, Nanatsu no Taizai, etc. In conclusion, while there are some vague similarites and shared use of tropes, I think there are enough differences to warrent a seperation of standard fantasy shows and Isekai. TL;DR, just read the last big paragraph if anything else. |
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Dark_Lord9 said: OP come back again once you understand the difference between a genre and a setting. There are already some settings listed as "genres" in the site. For example, the aforementioned "Space".... and we even have one for "Cars", which is even more specific |
Arkab said: Dark_Lord9 said: OP come back again once you understand the difference between a genre and a setting. There are already some settings listed as "genres" in the site. For example, the aforementioned "Space".... and we even have one for "Cars", which is even more specific Read my last post. |
Dark_Lord9 said: Read my last post. You mean this, right? Dark_Lord9 said: I know and that's what aliquae meant too and I don't agree with them being used as genres as well. They should use the synopsis to specify the setting and other similar things. If I understand it well, you mean, delete "cars", "superpower" etc, since they're not genres, and write them in the synopsys instead? but... if you search by "genres" - let's say "tags" instead - the search modules does not check the synopsys? in other words, if tags are written there, you can't search for them. IMO, the two main point of tags are, to provide info when looking at an anime's/manga's page, and to help with searching for (or avoiding) specific things. I had a rant or two before I find "shoujo ai" and "shounen ai" being there wrong (because in japanese they not mean what they mean in the west, or so I read) and redundant, when there's already yuri and yaoi tags, which are the same genre (IMO). However! thinking more about it before too, there are people who use them. who look for specif kind of yuri/yaoi, they look for a tamer kind of them, and use those tags. so those tags are useful for some. same with demons, vampires, cars, etc. I'm sure there are some people who find them useful, so my opinion is, don't delete tags. ...however, just like how even "cars" is something useful, so could be other tags too, that are missing from here. isekai is just one of them. of course, that might be just my opinion. |
| OFC, and if a serie suddenly becomes at night we must add a tag "night" |
MMemiMMeiOct 7, 2018 9:58 AM
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HisokaxMeruem said: then why are there tags like demon, vampire etc ? every season has 1-2 isekai's atleast right now, it should be a tag since this trend wont stop just like the superhero trend. That's the problem. Pointless tags, if demons are into then why just not "Supernatural" tag instead of adding another one? Isekai tag are implied that we can say the same as: Koi no uso have kissess, then needs a "kiss" tag. Also needs a "trash ending" too. Romance series are explicit that will have that kind of actions, it is not necessary but it's implicit in them same as "Supernatural" tag have with demons, vampires and ghosts and blahblahblah. |
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Rowlf said: I was looking to see if there was a good isekai anime to watch and tried to search by genre, but alas couldn't find one. Came here to see if we could get one added because I'd like that option. I know the genres I like and that's how I generally search for a new show. Newest: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/person-in-a-strange-world?sort=year&order=desc All time top rated: https://www.anime-planet.com/anime/tags/person-in-a-strange-world?sort=average&order=desc Is MAL just hardcore M over being inferior to other sites' usefulness? :) (Some of these titles being isekai is debatable at best, but still, looks pretty useful to me.) |
Rowlf said: I was looking to see if there was a good isekai anime to watch and tried to search by genre, but alas couldn't find one. Came here to see if we could get one added because I'd like that option. I know the genres I like and that's how I generally search for a new show. right here Im making this suggestion because 'isekai' is getting big now and many people are looking forward to understand about this 'tag' , genre, setting or whatever you want to call. But here im suggesting to make isekai a genre on mal so many users might find it helpful if they want to watch more anime about the main character being in an unfamiliar world the same goes with those so called 'tags' demons, vampires, cars etc many people have found them useful and they are expecting certain elements form those mal genres |
| yesyes agree, really hope they implement this since itll make finding isekai anime wayyyyy easier |
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| It seems like virtually all Isekai all already fall under the Fantasy tag. I mean I'm sure there's maybe a few that don't and I get wanting the added specificity but I'm not sure it really warrants a tag. I mean I say sure why not but I don't see the site staff going through the trouble. |
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