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Muqta-chan said: Well for me , NO , if the MC is good then I don't mind / blame the girls who like him since he's really interesting OP, with your poll you're implying that 'harems' are inherently bad and that the only saving grace for it is if the MC is "good". I don't adhere to that world-view and thus can't vote in your poll. I believe that harems are not inherently bad just like any other genre of anime. A harem with a bad or a good MC can be good or bad. |
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Iroha-chan said: Cejara said: Yeah, don't think I've ever seen a boob-grab in a reverse harem before xD. Then again I have only seen Ouran-Highschool Host Club, Brother's Conflict (snorefest), and Amnesia (I got amnesia watching this). Thankfully, there's nothing of the sort otherwise I wouldn't have watched neither Kamisama kiss nor Akatsuki no Yona(I've no idea why this is tagged as R.Harem) . OHSHC was one of my very first shows when I'd little knowledge about Anime. Amnesia? That show is =_=. The only thing good about it was the visuals( Reason why I watched it and Diabolik Lovers) and that Spirit thing. Edit: After seeing that drool scene, I dropped that Anime. Disgusting! The visuals (I don't mean the guys since I'm a straight male xDDD) were good in Amnesia no doubt, but everything else was horrid lol. As for mysterious girlfriend X, until the very end that drool thing disgusted me. |
Cejara said: I was grossed out and dropped it like 5-10 mins in in the first episode.Iroha-chan said: Thankfully, there's nothing of the sort otherwise I wouldn't have watched neither Kamisama kiss nor Akatsuki no Yona(I've no idea why this is tagged as R.Harem) . OHSHC was one of my very first shows when I'd little knowledge about Anime. Amnesia? That show is =_=. The only thing good about it was the visuals( Reason why I watched it and Diabolik Lovers) and that Spirit thing. Edit: After seeing that drool scene, I dropped that Anime. Disgusting! The visuals (I don't mean the guys since I'm a straight male xDDD) were good in Amnesia no doubt, but everything else was horrid lol. As for mysterious girlfriend X, until the very end that drool thing disgusted me. I was grossed out and dropped it like 5-10 mins in in the first episode. Couldn't even get passed that episode itself! |
Iroha-chan said: Cejara said: I was grossed out and dropped it like 5-10 mins in in the first episode.The visuals (I don't mean the guys since I'm a straight male xDDD) were good in Amnesia no doubt, but everything else was horrid lol. As for mysterious girlfriend X, until the very end that drool thing disgusted me. I was grossed out and dropped it like 5-10 mins in in the first episode. Couldn't even get passed that episode itself! Its honestly a good story, with a weird plot, and a disappointing end to the manga/anime. Its also weird that it is labeled as romance, but is pretty much a harem and every girl he meets want him to taste their drool -_-. |
Cejara said: Iroha-chan said: I was grossed out and dropped it like 5-10 mins in in the first episode. Couldn't even get passed that episode itself! Its honestly a good story, with a weird plot, and a disappointing end to the manga/anime. Its also weird that it is labeled as romance, but is pretty much a harem and every girl he meets want him to taste their drool -_-. I don't even expect Harem Anime to be good. And that drool thing is freaking disturbingly disgusting!!! Good thing! I dropped both the Manga and Anime. ¬_¬ |
bikers123 said: Muqta-chan said: Well for me , NO , if the MC is good then I don't mind / blame the girls who like him since he's really interesting OP, with your poll you're implying that 'harems' are inherently bad and that the only saving grace for it is if the MC is "good". I don't adhere to that world-view and thus can't vote in your poll. I believe that harems are not inherently bad just like any other genre of anime. A harem with a bad or a good MC can be good or bad. You stop that right now That's just being too rational for this thread |
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HaXXspetten said: It's still more important that the girls are likable but yeah a decent MC helps a lot as well Still think the biggest problem is the amount of harems which are also battle harems, as they tend to insist on having some awful excuse story slapped on top just because they can even though literally no one is watching harems for the sake of the story the problem is you're going into these shows that you KNOW aren't going to be anything original, expecting or wanting them to be..... just get over that.... its not gonna happen im ready to see everyone bitch about HxH "THIS IS ANOTHER COPY PASTE BATTLE HAREM" duh, wtf did you expect? |
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Mamster-P said: Of course people aren't expecting anything else. That doesn't mean they have to like itHaXXspetten said: It's still more important that the girls are likable but yeah a decent MC helps a lot as well Still think the biggest problem is the amount of harems which are also battle harems, as they tend to insist on having some awful excuse story slapped on top just because they can even though literally no one is watching harems for the sake of the story the problem is you're going into these shows that you KNOW aren't going to be anything original, expecting or wanting them to be..... just get over that.... its not gonna happen im ready to see everyone bitch about HxH "THIS IS ANOTHER COPY PASTE BATTLE HAREM" duh, wtf did you expect? |
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HaXXspetten said: Mamster-P said: Of course people aren't expecting anything else. That doesn't mean they have to like itthe problem is you're going into these shows that you KNOW aren't going to be anything original, expecting or wanting them to be..... just get over that.... its not gonna happen im ready to see everyone bitch about HxH "THIS IS ANOTHER COPY PASTE BATTLE HAREM" duh, wtf did you expect? that's not my point, my point is don't go into these shows with any sort of expectations regarding all that bullshit that elitist trash( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) whine that a show must have if you care so much about "well developed characters" w/etf that shit means, go to another genre |
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Mamster-P said: HaXXspetten said: Of course people aren't expecting anything else. That doesn't mean they have to like it that's not my point, my point is don't go into these shows with any sort of expectations regarding all that bullshit that elitist trash( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) whine that a show must have if you care so much about "well developed characters" w/etf that shit means, go to another genre As we know then you whine about people not having watched enough garbage ecchi to judge the genre, lol this guy! |
NeoAnkara said: Read Rokujouma no Shinryakusha and your problem stopped. For as great as Rokujouma is and how it not only manages to address the complaints that pop up here so often while still being true to being a harem, I have complete faith that people will read or watch it and take issue with it because of the genre it's associated with and no other reason. |
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Omni_slash95 said: As we know then you whine about people not having watched enough garbage ecchi to judge the genre, lol this guy! No, you see, there's a difference between someone whining about you not liking what they like and then putting forth the fact that your opinion on the genre as a whole is irrelevant because you have extremely minimal experience with the genre itself. Lisbon said: Especially when you've only watched a single anime that has the Ecchi tag, kind of makes your strong opinions against the entire genre seem even more artificially produced. Thanks, MALGraph! The latter is just being reasonable. |
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Lisbon said: It's the answer to all of the harem problem. The best kind of relationship that harem ever had.NeoAnkara said: Read Rokujouma no Shinryakusha and your problem stopped. For as great as Rokujouma is and how it not only manages to address the complaints that pop up here so often while still being true to being a harem, I have complete faith that people will read or watch it and take issue with it because of the genre it's associated with and no other reason. |
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Omni_slash95 said: Mamster-P said: that's not my point, my point is don't go into these shows with any sort of expectations regarding all that bullshit that elitist trash( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) whine that a show must have if you care so much about "well developed characters" w/etf that shit means, go to another genre As we know then you whine about people not having watched enough garbage ecchi to judge the genre, lol this guy! wtf are you even doing in these threads if you think the genre is so bad and you've only seen like 3? what? are you hoping to find a harem show you'll like or something? or are you just secretly fapping to them but feel so ashamed of it that you decide to shit on it and its fans just to come off as a badass and feel better about yourself? cause i really do believe thats what going on here.... |
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Red_Abeyance said: i dislike harems no matter what the mc is ^this! I can't enjoy a show where the MC isn't even aware that all those busty grills have a crush on him... It just makes me angry, even if they are aware it never ends up realistic, it is always so random... The only "good" Harem out there is School Days! #haremsarenotsokawaiixd |
| See: Uta no prince-sama, Ouran Highschool Host Club Two harem anime in which I didn't hate the main character and therefore I enjoyed the series. Are both incredibly cliche and cheesy at times? Sure, but both shows are aware of that which I like. I just wish the girl in Uta no Prince-sama would at least pick someone to go for. Like, if I remember correctly, at least the MC in Ouran chose at some point who her main interest was. But Haruka in UtaPri is the most indecisive person ever, who keeps adding people to their harem till it's a freakin' love 12 sided polygon. Sorry, TL;DR, If I don't hate the main character and the story makes me want to keep watching, then no I don't mind harem anime. As a consequence, there's many I don't like. |
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Mamster-P said: wtf are you even doing in these threads if you think the genre is so bad and you've only seen literally 1? fixed that for you, matey. But in all honesty, he's probably just shitposting. The downside is that he's just not doing it well because he gets mad whenever people fight back, so it tends to backfire |
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Mamster-P said: Omni_slash95 said: As we know then you whine about people not having watched enough garbage ecchi to judge the genre, lol this guy! wtf are you even doing in these threads if you think the genre is so bad and you've only seen like 3? what? are you hoping to find a harem show you'll like or something? or are you just secretly fapping to them but feel so ashamed of it that you decide to shit on it and its fans just to come off as a badass and feel better about yourself? cause i really do believe thats what going on here.... I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... |
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Lisbon said: Mamster-P said: wtf are you even doing in these threads if you think the genre is so bad and you've only seen literally 1? fixed that for you, matey. But in all honesty, he's probably just shitposting. The downside is that he's just not doing it well because he gets mad whenever people fight back, so it tends to backfire i was giviing him the benefit of the doubt when i said 3 lol.... that just shows 100% pure sheep mentality ... *sees people constantly shitting on harem anime*..... *watches 1 or few harem anime* "THEY'RE ALL GARBAGE, THIS GENRE IS SHIT, AND ITS FANS ARE ALL NECK BEARD LOSERS" doesn't sound very self confident to me.... don't get me wrong though.... a huge part of me is calling pure troll... these ppl who just can't ignore the fact that ecchi and harem has fans have to be secretly into that shit, i don't see any other reason to obsess over it |
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sokawaiixd said: I kinda have to protect that guy. The issue isn't that he dislikes harems, so you don't really have to. The issue with this fella is that he just comes into threads like this and starts tossing out insults like crazy. If you want to defend that, then go ahead, but I don't think why we fight with him is why you think it is. If I wanted to fight with somebody over something as meaningless as disliking something that I like, then I would be arguing with you as well. |
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sokawaiixd said: I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... by that standard you could say the same thing about ANY genre.... yet people act as if thats the only genre worth bashing, which is why it comes off as so fucking fake. don't act as if all teh girls and boobs and ass don't make it an easy target for insecure people who want to feel "cool". see what im saying here? great, then go watch porn.... i will watch both.... |
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bikers123 said: Muqta-chan said: Well for me , NO , if the MC is good then I don't mind / blame the girls who like him since he's really interesting OP, with your poll you're implying that 'harems' are inherently bad and that the only saving grace for it is if the MC is "good". I don't adhere to that world-view and thus can't vote in your poll. I believe that harems are not inherently bad just like any other genre of anime. A harem with a bad or a good MC can be good or bad. I'm reporting you for being too wise and intelligent. Damn, I should of thought of this. |
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sokawaiixd said: Mamster-P said: wtf are you even doing in these threads if you think the genre is so bad and you've only seen like 3? what? are you hoping to find a harem show you'll like or something? or are you just secretly fapping to them but feel so ashamed of it that you decide to shit on it and its fans just to come off as a badass and feel better about yourself? cause i really do believe thats what going on here.... I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... "I will deliberately avoid anything that may prove my prejudices to be incorrect in any way, because I dislike being wrong" I wonder how the real world would be like if everyone followed your type of logic. |
SuperRed said: sokawaiixd said: I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... "I will deliberately avoid anything that may prove my prejudices to be incorrect in any way, because I dislike being wrong" I wonder how the real world would be like if everyone followed your type of logic. @sokawaiixd Also, "if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn" ? That's one of the dumbest things I heard in a while...NO! You won't get half naked girls watching porn, you will get full naked girls fucking till orgasm, can't people think a little before saying shit?... Also, I'm freaking pissed at the fact that everyone thinks Harem = Ecchi or some shit...Please can't you get that Harem don't need fanservice to be a Harem? The world only God knows don't have any fanservice and Bakemongatari fanservice is barely present and its actually funny when it happens... |
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sokawaiixd said: Mamster-P said: wtf are you even doing in these threads if you think the genre is so bad and you've only seen like 3? what? are you hoping to find a harem show you'll like or something? or are you just secretly fapping to them but feel so ashamed of it that you decide to shit on it and its fans just to come off as a badass and feel better about yourself? cause i really do believe thats what going on here.... I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... Someone talking some sense here? Shocking. Don't bother with ecchi obsessed otaku's like Mamster P and Lisbon. Get butthurt real fast if one bashes their favourite genre. |
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volt16 said: PoeticJustice said: Monogatari is better than most non harems so I dont mind. Is it really a harem though? Sure it features some elements of common harem anime but it's different in many ways. Just because it doesn't carry the harem tag on MAL doesn't mean it's not a harem. When we have a male MC and a bunch of female characters vying for his attention throughout the show - that's a harem. |
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SuperRed said: sokawaiixd said: I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... "I will deliberately avoid anything that may prove my prejudices to be incorrect in any way, because I dislike being wrong" I wonder how the real world would be like if everyone followed your type of logic. Already asked them about these "high quality" ecchi anime, got no answer. Please do tell of these hidden masterpieces. Only talking about ecchi focused shows here of course. Not stuff that has just has some ecchi. |
Mamster-P said: Lisbon said: fixed that for you, matey. But in all honesty, he's probably just shitposting. The downside is that he's just not doing it well because he gets mad whenever people fight back, so it tends to backfire i was giviing him the benefit of the doubt when i said 3 lol.... that just shows 100% pure sheep mentality ... *sees people constantly shitting on harem anime*..... *watches 1 or few harem anime* "THEY'RE ALL GARBAGE, THIS GENRE IS SHIT, AND ITS FANS ARE ALL NECK BEARD LOSERS" doesn't sound very self confident to me.... don't get me wrong though.... a huge part of me is calling pure troll... these ppl who just can't ignore the fact that ecchi and harem has fans have to be secretly into that shit, i don't see any other reason to obsess over it And then you get butthurt when one actually watches more harem/ecchi anime and says they are shit. And say "if you want well developed characters go watch another genre", lmao this guy. Just stop. |
Mamster-P said: sokawaiixd said: I kinda have to protect that guy. Most Harem(s?) are generic and there is nothing special about 'em. A good MC doesn't fix the general idea behind Harem(s?). I don't have to watch Bakemonegatari, The world only God knows, *insert another "good" Harem* to judge about the genre. If I don't like the genre I avoid it, you don't have to be an "elitist" to hate fanservice, ecchi, I'm casual and if I wanna see half naked girls on my screen, I watch porn, not Anime... by that standard you could say the same thing about ANY genre.... yet people act as if thats the only genre worth bashing, which is why it comes off as so fucking fake. don't act as if all teh girls and boobs and ass don't make it an easy target for insecure people who want to feel "cool". see what im saying here? great, then go watch porn.... i will watch both.... Ofc you can say that about any genre.. I love Romance and Slice of Life, if you watch Anime for spectacular fighting scenes and dgaf about "realistic" things you'll probably dislike my taste too. I don't know your preferences (except Harem) and if you like it, go for it, I'm not here to bash any genre, I know that there are good Harem out there, but I won't watch 'em... "I will deliberately avoid anything that may prove my prejudices to be incorrect in any way, because I dislike being wrong" I wonder how the real world would be like if everyone followed your type of logic.[/quote] That's actually a wild guess :v... Everyone hates it to be wrong, I just said that I don't want to watch those kind of shows, it isn't like I never did, I just want to watch something unique, or something that won't go out of fashion... Most shows ain't unique, and Harem are the most generic in my opinion. There is always a maid who isn't actually a real one, a Tsundere, a shy girl, and that busty class representative... I better mention it again so you don't feel offended, it is MY opinion, you don't have to share it, but I'd appreciate it if you would respect it... I can relate why you protect your fav. genre, I'd do the same, but I wouldn't bitch about someone who doesn't like it... |
Omni_slash95 said: Already asked them about these "high quality" ecchi anime, got no answer. Please do tell of these hidden masterpieces. Not once did you ask me this fam, so of course I didn't answer it Rokujouma no Shinryakusha - like I was just saying earlier in this thread, this is one of those hidden gems that addresses the often complaints with Harem/Ecchi anime by having individual focuses on every girl and an MC who actually has motives and reasoning for what he does, with a major plot twist at the end of the anime that puts a lot of stuff into perspective - had little hints here and there, but you never would've guessed it if you went into it blind. Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata - This one, if only for Megumi's god-tier level dry humor. While the rest of the cast very easily falls into the tropes people bring up with this kind of anime, Megumi is constantly there as someone who is meant to be incredibly normal in contrast with the over-the-top rest of the cast. That character in of itself is what makes me able to cautiously recommend this one to non-harem fans, as she provides some of the best dry humor I've seen in any anime and is mostly there. This one would be more of a dice roll, though, because it puts a heavy emphasis on otaku culture in Japan which is something you seem to have an aversion to in of itself. There's a couple off of the top of my head |
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Omni_slash95 said: SuperRed said: "I will deliberately avoid anything that may prove my prejudices to be incorrect in any way, because I dislike being wrong" I wonder how the real world would be like if everyone followed your type of logic. Already asked them about these "high quality" ecchi anime, got no answer. Please do tell of these hidden masterpieces. Only talking about ecchi focused shows here of course. Not stuff that has just has some ecchi. I'm not much of an ecchi fan, but the Prison School manga is pretty entertaining for me due to its extremely over the top comedy, highly detailed art and easy to marathon pacing. the anime is decent enough. |
HyperL said: Omni_slash95 said: Already asked them about these "high quality" ecchi anime, got no answer. Please do tell of these hidden masterpieces. Only talking about ecchi focused shows here of course. Not stuff that has just has some ecchi. Harem =/= Ecchi, Just leaving this here... And I'm just talking about shows that are ecchi focused. Highschool DxD or that shitty new anime called Masou Gakuen HxH. |
On_the_Lam said: The whole point of Harem anime is to have a generic/stupid/dumb/ignorant/imbecile/oblivious MC, so that all the otakus with the same personality can relate. Very true, they need a bland self insert protag to identify with. |
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