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| Just finished Hal. Oh my god, I haven't had these feelings in such a long time. Why is it scored at 7.84? it seems severely underated. |
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| No matter how small a trend it may be, i am very much enjoying the recent trend of adapting older mateiral. I mean look what we have gotten out of it as of recent, parasyte, jojo, ping pong, an upcoming LOTGH remake, a adaption of the fantasy series by LOTGH's creator. I truly hope this trend picks up more and more as there are plenty of fantastic manga from the 80's 90's that never got adaptions, and yes i am mainly saying this cause im still hoping one day a 20th century boys remake will happen. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: im still hoping one day a 20th century boys remake will happen. one day ;_; hentai_eucli said: Just finished Hal. Oh my god, I haven't had these feelings in such a long time. Why is it scored at 7.84? it seems severely underated. yeah i was surprised to find out it wasn't a 8.5+ MAL rating |
mayukachan said: JizzyHitler said: im still hoping one day a 20th century boys remake will happen. one day ;_; We need that remake so badly, 3 rushed as hell movies do not do such a great series justice. I mean can you imagine how great kenji's song would be in animated form? And we could get this as the opening or ending: God damn it, im looking at you mappa and/or madhouse, please use your powers of being fucking great for this series. The fact that mappa wants to animate pluto gives me hope that this isnt a veign hope. In a perfect world we'd also have a billy bat adaption to look forword to. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| How many episodes would make a 20CB adaptation perfect though? I'm thinking 3 cour. And Kenji must be voiced by Hirata Hiroaki. |
| Everybody talks about how awesome the Monster anime and 20CB is. And all I've read is Billy Bat. mayukachan said: hentai_eucli said: Just finished Hal. Oh my god, I haven't had these feelings in such a long time. Why is it scored at 7.84? it seems severely underated. yeah i was surprised to find out it wasn't a 8.5+ MAL rating Too short? I remember people having at least semi-legitimate complaints about it, but I don't remember what they were. Though I do believe quite a few people thought the |
fst said: Too short? I remember people having at least semi-legitimate complaints about it, but I don't remember what they were. Though I do believe quite a few people thought the Length was okay for me. Any longer/shorter would ruin the pacing. Majority of people were claiming that it was too short OR it was predictable (which it wasn't for me) |
mayukachan said: i was thinking like 74+ because its longer than monster wasHow many episodes would make a 20CB adaptation perfect though? I'm thinking 3 cour. And Kenji must be voiced by Hirata Hiroaki. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: mayukachan said: i was thinking like 74+ because its longer than monster wasHow many episodes would make a 20CB adaptation perfect though? I'm thinking 3 cour. And Kenji must be voiced by Hirata Hiroaki. I've heard Monster's anime was slow though. If I animated Monster, I'd cut it to 40ish episodes to 50. Monster's more complex than 20CB anyway. |
| I need to rewatch Monster. It's one of those shows I overmarathoned back in the day. Not much ended up sticking. I think the pacing was good though. |
JizzyHitler said: Well it's more like an adaptation of Hiromu Arakawa's manga which is an adaptation of the fantasy series made by LOGH's creator. So it's technically much newer than the rest.No matter how small a trend it may be, i am very much enjoying the recent trend of adapting older mateiral. I mean look what we have gotten out of it as of recent, parasyte, jojo, ping pong, an upcoming LOTGH remake, a adaption of the fantasy series by LOTGH's creator. |
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hentai_eucli said: Just finished Hal. Oh my god, I haven't had these feelings in such a long time. Why is it scored at 7.84? it seems severely underated. I agree that it's underrated. I thought it was an excellent movie. Most of the complaints I noticed weren't that it was predictable, but that Edit: @Monster conversation: I think the pacing is perfect for the atmosphere and tension. Plus, it gives the anime more time to flesh out the characters properly and interweave them into the plot. There are no few irrelevant side characters. |
TripleSRankNov 26, 2014 9:31 PM
TripleSRank said: Most of the complaints I noticed weren't that it was predictable, but that I agree, I liked the |
TripleSRank said: I agree that it's underrated. I thought it was an excellent movie. Most of the complaints I noticed weren't that it was predictable, but that Don't read if you haven't seen Hal. |
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Kolnikov said: "So solid". Oh, crunchy.... Well, that's unexpected hahaha. 10/10 Yeah, that was a pretty fun moment in Shirobako there. I wonder if it's actually one of the writers' favourites. |
| Oh boy, just saw someone on the recommendation board asking for 2013+ anime series only -.-. And I thought the guy who limited himself to 2012 or newer a couple of days ago is bad. Where is humanity going? |
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| Wow, how could you be so elitist, Higashi. There's plenty of good anime between 2013-2014. One could spend a lifetime studying them. That fella has done nothing wrong. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: There are valid reasons why one may be seeking only that new of anime.Oh boy, just saw someone on the recommendation board asking for 2013+ anime series only -.-. And I thought the guy who limited himself to 2012 or newer a couple of days ago is bad. Where is humanity going? |
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IntroverTurtle said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: There are valid reasons why one may be seeking only that new of anime.Oh boy, just saw someone on the recommendation board asking for 2013+ anime series only -.-. And I thought the guy who limited himself to 2012 or newer a couple of days ago is bad. Where is humanity going? Well, since it's entertainment I guess arbitrariness is a valid reason. Nothing else comes to mind though. I have witnessed no significant changes in the 4 years of following seasonals since I joined MAL. If people who never even watched (m)any shows older than 1 or 2 years think they know better I just can't take them seriously. And even if you could construe an argument about why Winter 2013 has a sudden spike in visual quality (I doubt content is ever the reason people refuse to watch 'old' stuff (it hurts me to misuse the word like that)) compared to Fall 2012 making shows before that 'problematic' to enjoy I can still interpret this shallow superficialness as the wrong path for humanity :P. Ckan said: Wow, how could you be so elitist, Higashi. There's plenty of good anime between 2013-2014. One could spend a lifetime studying them. That fella has done nothing wrong. Unless I re-interpret lifetime in your sentence I cannot agree. Also keep in mind that 2 years from now these shows will have become too old and possibly re-evaluated to 1/10s based on that so they're only good for a short amount of time before the classical cycle of new = always better kicks in. We live in a short-lived society after all. I'm fine with being seen as an elitist for finding requests like that ridiculous though. It's already my image anyway ^^. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: What about social reasons? Being in an anime club or wanting to know the good new anime that everyone is still talking about.IntroverTurtle said: There are valid reasons why one may be seeking only that new of anime. Well, since it's entertainment I guess arbitrariness is a valid reason. Nothing else comes to mind though. I have witnessed no significant changes in the 4 years of following seasonals since I joined MAL. If people who never even watched (m)any shows older than 1 or 2 years think they know better I just can't take them seriously. And even if you could construe an argument about why Winter 2013 has a sudden spike in visual quality (I doubt content is ever the reason people refuse to watch 'old' stuff (it hurts me to misuse the word like that)) compared to Fall 2012 making shows before that 'problematic' to enjoy I can still interpret this shallow superficialness as the wrong path for humanity :P. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: What about social reasons? Being in an anime club or wanting to know the good new anime that everyone is still talking about.Well, since it's entertainment I guess arbitrariness is a valid reason. Nothing else comes to mind though. I have witnessed no significant changes in the 4 years of following seasonals since I joined MAL. If people who never even watched (m)any shows older than 1 or 2 years think they know better I just can't take them seriously. And even if you could construe an argument about why Winter 2013 has a sudden spike in visual quality (I doubt content is ever the reason people refuse to watch 'old' stuff (it hurts me to misuse the word like that)) compared to Fall 2012 making shows before that 'problematic' to enjoy I can still interpret this shallow superficialness as the wrong path for humanity :P. Sure, there are legit reasons like that. I'll give you that. But usually the reasons are specified in the recommendation request and if the reason was like that I wouldn't find it so ridiculous in the first place. Granted, the 2013 guy didn't specify why he was limiting himself to 2 years but the 2012/10 requests I've seen on multiple occasions all specified 'better art/visuals' as their reasons. Along that line it wouldn't surprise me to see the same argument for 2013 since the numbers are already arbitrary. But yes, social reasons are a thing. |
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| its more itneresting to follow the present moving foreword than stay fixated on the past, hypothetically if i had to chose i would chose the present regardless of how it is quality wise in contrast to the past. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: its more itneresting to follow the present moving foreword than stay fixated on the past, hypothetically if i had to chose i would chose the present regardless of how it is quality wise in contrast to the past. 2012-2013 is also the past though :P We're not talking about hypothetical decisions to choose past or present/future but singling out a small part of the past and disregarding everything else. And if I'd to choose between never watching any currently completed anime or never watching any anime that hasn't aired so far I'd probably still pick the past since 100% of my favorites are from there and I wouldn't like to be unable to rewatch them ever again. And I'd still have enough stuff to pick from if I want to see something I don't know yet. It would be a shame about the JoJo sequel though. |
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| @higashi I also do that. Asking for anime of a certain year. Lets say 2013+, or 2007-2008,1999-2000 etc. I do that when I'm tying to find the latest anime(Or that specific year) that I might have missed. Asking for anime in general, people would recommend whatever they want, and if my goal is to "clear" those years, then that wouldn't help. I thik thats also a valid reason. |
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hentai_eucli said: @higashi I also do that. Asking for anime of a certain year. Lets say 2013+, or 2007-2008,1999-2000 etc. I do that when I'm tying to find the latest anime(Or that specific year) that I might have missed. Asking for anime in general, people would recommend whatever they want, and if my goal is to "clear" those years, then that wouldn't help. I thik thats also a valid reason. Well as I said earlier I'm not arbitrarily ranting every time someone specifies a year in their recommendation request. I do take context into account :P |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Well as I said earlier I'm not arbitrarily ranting every time someone specifies a year in their recommendation request. I do take context into account :P Oops, sorry didn't notice that! Carry on then. :P |
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| Why is kotonoha no niwa rated 8.36? I don't think I've ever seen better art. Every second of this film is superb. The animation is also flawless. I was constantly impressed by these two aspects. The budget must have been insane. even if the story is weak, I think it deserves a place in the top 100. |
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hentai_eucli said: Why is kotonoha no niwa rated 8.36? I don't think I've ever seen better art. Every second of this film is superb. The animation is also flawless. I was constantly impressed by these two aspects. The budget must have been insane. even if the story is weak, I think it deserves a place in the top 100. It's not the type of romance/story that appeals to MAL. :/ (Like Hal) |
mayukachan said: hentai_eucli said: Why is kotonoha no niwa rated 8.36? I don't think I've ever seen better art. Every second of this film is superb. The animation is also flawless. I was constantly impressed by these two aspects. The budget must have been insane. even if the story is weak, I think it deserves a place in the top 100. It's not the type of romance/story that appeals to MAL. :/ (Like Hal) I understand that, but I think that even if you don't like the story, you can appreciate the visual part. I feel like someone made sweet, sweet love to my eyes for 45 minutes, and nothing else can satisfy me after this. |
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hentai_eucli said: mayukachan said: It's not the type of romance/story that appeals to MAL. :/ (Like Hal) I understand that, but I think that even if you don't like the story, you can appreciate the visual part. I feel like someone made sweet, sweet love to my eyes for 45 minutes, and nothing else can satisfy me after this. People use the visuals to bash on the story actually "It looks good but the story is shit" they say I do agree the animation is really good and I personally liked the story a lot. |
mayukachan said: People use the visuals to bash on the story actually "It looks good but the story is shit" they say I do agree the animation is really good and I personally liked the story a lot. I liked the story too.Though I believe it was the weakest part of this film. I was expecting something sadder like in 5cm/s but it was surprisingly better. On a side note ,I would really like to see the result of those visuals combined with a really strong story. |
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| You guys sound like Sung-Hwan when you make an 8.36 scored anime sound like something that is hated/bashed. I mean it's fair if you think it should be in the top 100 but that doesn't mean it's not still very well acclaimed on MAL with that kind of score. For me there needs to be bigger discrepancy for something to be legitimately underrated otherwise I'd call LOGH underrated all the time since it doesn't have a round 10.00 score. Here's me talking about the movie and then delving into anime visuals and how I treat them in my rating in general: That got kinda side-tracked (my forte), but my point was that I still liked the movie, which is what 7/10 stands for, but listening to you two makes me feel like a 'hater' :P. It was a good (7) movie with an average (5) plot and amazing (9-10) visuals as far as I'm concerned (well, simplified but you get the gist). I just found the romance fairly lackluster, I've seen and read tons of similar stuff I found better in that regard. And I also didn't connect with any characters or got emotionally involved at any point so it's not enough for a rating higher than 7/10 in my book. I think many people are in the same boat. I still appreciate the visuals though, trust me, otherwise I would have rated it more as a 5/10. You make it seem like people can't rate it 'low' (in this 8 or lower since thats below average) while still appreciating the visuals. I don't see how saying "It looks good but the story wasn't" is 'using' the visuals to bash the story. It's crediting visuals despite the story, which is really all you can ask for in people who found the plot boring. Some afterthoughts about the legitimacy of claiming something as underrated as I see it: [spoiler] I personally don't call anything with an average rating of 8+ underrated on MAL. That's usually when the consensus can be interpreted as 'this is a very good/great anime' and expecting anything to be more than that in a userbase consensus rating system is just greedy :P. Sure, stuff may be still underrated compared to other stuff that is higher ranked (basically everything is under/overrated from that perspective), but not really as far as the score itself goes, imo. |
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hentai_eucli said: On a side note ,I would really like to see the result of those visuals combined with a really strong story. Been waiting for that since my first Makoto Shinkai Movie :( |
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| Oh I wasn't calling it underrated, but it's definitely not the type of romance or story that majority of MAL likes. The romance that's more popular with MAL is something like Steins;Gate or Clannad:AS. Higashi_no_Kaze said: hentai_eucli said: On a side note ,I would really like to see the result of those visuals combined with a really strong story. Been waiting for that since my first Makoto Shinkai Movie :( 5 cm and Kotonoha are still the best Makoto Shinkai movies for me. I couldn't get into his other movies (especially when he mixes sci-fi or fantasy) |
| Dont you love those moments when your on the board for a show you dont particularly like but find a post from before the show started or at the start of it where youre optimistic or positive about it. Its both funny and sad finding comments where im saying stuff along the lines of "samurai flamenco is the best show of the season" or "shigatsu/akatsuki no yona have so much potential." |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| ^ lol no need to bash three shows i like but yeah i like looking back at my old forums and seeing "10/10 SOOO GOOD" when i ended up giving the show a 6/10 lol oh and i used to hype up SAO when it first came out /embarassment |
mayukachan said: Oh I wasn't calling it underrated, but it's definitely not the type of romance or story that majority of MAL likes. The romance that's more popular with MAL is something like Steins;Gate or Clannad:AS. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Been waiting for that since my first Makoto Shinkai Movie :( 5 cm and Kotonoha are still the best Makoto Shinkai movies for me. I couldn't get into his other movies (especially when he mixes sci-fi or fantasy) I don't think a show needs to be in the top 5 for MAL to 'like it' though. Given the thousands of titles in the DB I'd say the top X00 series at least can be seen as being liked by MAL (for me it's 8+ shows as I elaborated on in the last post). And Steins;Gate is like 5% romance, I'm not sure that even counts. And between Kotonoha and Clannad there is infinitely more vocal hate for Clannad despite Kotonoha being more recent. I honestly never saw Kotonoha mentioned in any negative context. People had it on their AOTY or Movie of the year lists for 2013 and stuff like that. Out of ~5 pages of MAL reviews there was one 3/10 (even that gives credit to the visuals), three 6/10 (and they all praise the visuals) and the rest were all 7+ with the majority being 9s and 10s. I don't see any indication of MAL not being all over this movie and it was even more praised when it was still new and fresh in everyones memory. Even among the other Makoto movies it is the highest rated one, indicating that most people prefer his romance stories over the fantasy/sci-fi ones like you do (guess I'm the odd one out). In fact all of his highest rated works are the romance stuff (5cm, ef). So I think Makoto Shinkai romance is exactly the type of romance MAL appreciates judging from the overall reception. Not the only type it appreciates, but at least as far as movies go (which imo is the bigger difference between Kotonoha and Clannad/SG, them being TV Series and adaptions of VNs that have their own fanbase) that style of eye-candy romance is very much appreciated by MAL. Something that is higher rated and where it makes sense to compare them would be Hotarubi no Mori e which I rated higher than Kotonoha as well because I found the romance in it very touching and the visuals, while not on the level of Kotonoha, were still very nice. I definitely see why Hotarubi would be rated higher than Kotonoha since I did so myself. Do you two agree/disagree? |
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| Well, whenever I talk about anime ships with most anime fans (either here or even other places), Kurisu and Mad Scientist gets mentioned. Ships like Edward and Winry, Nagisa and Tomoya, and such are also popular more because they're all convinient relationships (similar age, no weird premise) unlike Kotonoha no Niwa and Josei titles such as Natsuyuki Rendezvous and Honey & Clover. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Something that is higher rated and where it makes sense to compare them would be Hotarubi no Mori e which I rated higher than Kotonoha as well because I found the romance in it very touching and the visuals, while not on the level of Kotonoha, were still very nice. I definitely see why Hotarubi would be rated higher than Kotonoha since I did so myself. Do you two agree/disagree? Agree. I also thought Hotarubi was a better movie overall. I'm not the type to value visuals above all either (I'm more of a "what fits, fits" person) and Hotarubi's visuals were perfect for that setting and story. |
JizzyHitler said: Dont you love those moments when your on the board for a show you dont particularly like but find a post from before the show started or at the start of it where youre optimistic or positive about it. Its both funny and sad finding comments where im saying stuff along the lines of "samurai flamenco is the best show of the season" or "shigatsu/akatsuki no yona have so much potential." Well, I don't really post in series discussion boards but I sometimes go back and read my simulwatch comments and I know that feeling. Though I ended up still loving Samurai Flamenco in its own right (gave it 8/10), it still hurts to think I was already considering a 10/10 after 5 or 6 episodes because I loved the start that much. I never contemplated a 10/10 that early into a show. My early Shigatsu hype (because it was a show centered around classical music and it looked great) also dissipated fairly quickly :/. SAO is also another typical example. I was pretty excited at first because Accel World had already been decent and this just looked a hundred times cooler. Denki-gai no Honya-san is another show of the current season. I really like workplace and otaku-centered comedies so I was really hyped up for the premise and episode 1 was pretty great too, but by now it's one of my least favorite shows of the season (of those I haven't dropped and aren't shorts) because I don't like some of the characters and don't find a lot of the comedy very funny. For example the cringeworthy 'girl points' running gag used to bash on a female character since she isn't a pretty princess but an overworked mangaka. Also too many fanservice arcs/episodes. It's still good when it's not bad, but it's like 50/50 by now unlike the 100% enjoyment during the first episode. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Denki-gai no Honya-san is another show of the current season. I really like workplace and otaku-centered comedies so I was really hyped up for the premise and episode 1 was pretty great too, but by now it's one of my least favorite shows of the season (of those I haven't dropped and aren't shorts) because I don't like some of the characters and don't find a lot of the comedy very funny. For example the cringeworthy 'girl points' running gag used to bash on a female character since she isn't a pretty princess but an overworked mangaka. Also too many fanservice arcs/episodes. It's still good when it's not bad, but it's like 50/50 by now unlike the 100% enjoyment during the first episode. Haha I know how you feel. It started out really funny and eccentric (like Working!! or Servant x Service) but the bashing on Mangaka girl is getting a bit too much. I wish it would be more SOL-like like near the start with some romance and friendship rather than one joke/event taking up half an episode. As for Shigatsu (note: Haven't seen the legendary episode 8 yet), I'm not disappointed at the slightest (as it managed to touch on many #musicianproblems already and present nice performances) but the pretentious dialogue and love triangle irks me just a bit. It's gonna be like Ano Hana, where only one couple is mutual and everyone else gets hurt in their unrequited love. |
mayukachan said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: Denki-gai no Honya-san is another show of the current season. I really like workplace and otaku-centered comedies so I was really hyped up for the premise and episode 1 was pretty great too, but by now it's one of my least favorite shows of the season (of those I haven't dropped and aren't shorts) because I don't like some of the characters and don't find a lot of the comedy very funny. For example the cringeworthy 'girl points' running gag used to bash on a female character since she isn't a pretty princess but an overworked mangaka. Also too many fanservice arcs/episodes. It's still good when it's not bad, but it's like 50/50 by now unlike the 100% enjoyment during the first episode. Haha I know how you feel. It started out really funny and eccentric (like Working!! or Servant x Service) but the bashing on Mangaka girl is getting a bit too much. I wish it would be more SOL-like like near the start with some romance and friendship rather than one joke/event taking up half an episode. As for Shigatsu (note: Haven't seen the legendary episode 8 yet), I'm not disappointed at the slightest (as it managed to touch on many #musicianproblems already and present nice performances) but the pretentious dialogue and love triangle irks me just a bit. It's gonna be like Ano Hana, where only one couple is mutual and everyone else gets hurt in their unrequited love. Yeah exactly. I also don't like that the blonde girl is almost only used for fanservice. When there's a bikini contest or whatever she's always in the front lines, but when the show focuses on the characters and the workplace for a change she's just there being clumsy and not getting any development/depth at all. Also have you seen episode 9 yet? A friend of mine dropped this comment which made me curious: Denki-gai no Honya-san 9 - Fundamental, fundamental misunderstanding of how bras work. I laughed so hard that I can't even be mad at this show any more over how little the mangaka/writer/whoever doesn't understand the world of women at all. XD I think I'll go watch it now to see what she was talking about ^^. Overall I'm not that disappointed though because Shirobako was there to pick up the slack in the workplace/otaku comedy subgenre and it became one of my favorites this season. |
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Kolnikov said: I would like to know what makes Captain Harlock so underrated. Is the middle of show bad? Because lol, looks pretty epic to me. And I heard the ending is awesome. Either way, the beginning is 10/10. Sounds like it will be a true legend. Also, do you guys hold any opinions about the dub for Gundam 0080? I accidentally downloaded it dubbed. Well, I like dubs more than subs most of the time. But since is an old OVA, I'm not so sure about the quality of the dub (not sure if being old has anything to do with the dub's quality though haha). Idk, Leijiverse in general can be rather polarizing I think. I personally had a hard time getting into Harlock some years ago (still On-Hold at 14 episodes or so). I plan on getting back to it eventually since I think I'm more into old anime than I was when I first started it, but I have to admit that Leiji's artstyle is one of the least appealing artstyles to me in some ways. Mainly the one female character design he has up his sleeve. Not only is it repetitive but I don't like it very much in the first place ^^. I also remember thinking (not sure how true) that it wasn't very well animated even compared to other shows at the time like Gundam or Future Boy Conan. The cast was also pretty small and I just don't remember a lot going on most of the time. It was kinda boring at times. Don't hold me to that though, I'm just trying to reconstruct why from all the classics I've started over the years only Harlock ended up being indefinitely On-Hold. My memory of the contents is fuzzy, I just remember how I felt about it. Overall it shouldn't be surprising that old stuff is underrated considering none of the casuals will ever touch it and those make up most of the people with a rating scale of 7-10. I think for older shows lower rating doesn't necessarily mean that people enjoyed it less but more likely just more % of the people who rated it using the full rating scale. That's my theory at least. Harlock is almost at 8 which I find surprisingly high for that age. Only the very best of the best 80s or earlier shows get in the 8 range. Space Cobra which I found much more enjoyable than the Harlock parts I've seen is rated lower than Harlock for example. Haha wo Tazunete Sanzenri is all the way down at 7.33, which I find a lot more preposterous than Harlock being almost at 8.00. So I'd say in terms of old shows to fanboy over, Harlock is still one of the higher rated shows on MAL. By the way convince me to give Harlock another shot. I barely remember anything about the plot anyway, so what was it about? |
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| On an unrelated note are there any fans of the Saint Seiya franchise here who can answer me a few questions? I just recently started watching it and there are some things I'd like to ask/confirm. triple post because I can! <3 |
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| @Higashi Of course I don't generally consider 8.36 to be a low score. But on this case I do. Let me elaborate on that. Most of Makoto's works have approximately the same pattern, Really good visuals, but either average or weak story. The most popular one is 5cm, rated at 8.26, which in my opinion is overrated for that movie. Now, Kotonoha and 5cm have a diference of 0.08. The visuals in Kotonoha are almost flawless, and the story is also much better. Still its only 0.08 diference. That means that Kotonoha is 0.96% better, while in my opinion the difference is much greater. I personally gave it 7/10 because I just don't care that much about visuals/animation. They are a great bonus to have but I'll never rate something 8+ (the realm of my favorites) only because of that Well I can see were we differ here. Visuals are a big part for me. I mean, if you consider the foundation of animation, art is a major part of it. You can tell a story with any means you want, but only with animation you can make it look exactly as you want. If I read a book, I won't care for any visuals,( since it doesn't have any) because I'm looking for a good story. But when I'm watching animation I can switch my focus to either side, depending on what is better. In this film that part is a 10/10 imo. Depending on what coefficient you attach on each part, you can get a different score. I do agree on some level, but as I mentioned above I switch between both aspects of an anime depending on what is the focus of each one. I do understand enjoying a story/concept/characters more though; most people do. On the budget statement; I don't feel like this is the case in this one. Obviously it does matter, a lot, but it seems to me that you could give the same money to others (with the same goal) and get a significantly inferior result. I'm sure I have seen many animations with as much budget or even more, but have never come across something better than this. Since this one is the best I've seen, I think its not right to say that its just because of the budget. The talent needed to make this, is not easy to find. There is obviously a lot of work put into this, discarding it would be rude imo. I do also think that people value visuals, but not in that way. Most people resist against old shows because of the different type, not because it is in any way worse. Even if they say its worse, they are talking about how different it is even if they don't know it. There are different patterns. I can see though that you value stories more though. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ oh well what can I say; Different perspectives I guess. I made a post in another thread, I'll just post it here. I'm sure I'm not the only one even though the majority of people give a higher importance to visuals (hence why the average rating is almost 8.5 and not in the 7s). I don't think that is true in the meaning you are implying. They do care more only when the visuals are significantly better than the average anime. When they are average or just above average, it doesn't matter that much(That is mostly about the newer ones though). People ussualy complain more about how a story, or the characters are not good, than they complain about the art.(At least thats what I've noticed.) You just shouldn't be so surprised that not everyone rates the movie as highly as you did even when they still think the visuals are among the best they've seen. Well I have to be surprised, otherwise we wouldn't have this conversation :P. And also since I was surprised by this part of kotonoha, I wanted to discuss it! I agree with this, since as I mentioned in another post, I also thought that the story was average. Still liked it though [I still appreciate the visuals though, trust me, otherwise I would have rated it more as a 5/10. You make it seem like people can't rate it 'low' (in this 8 or lower since thats below average) while still appreciating the visuals. I don't see how saying "It looks good but the story wasn't" is 'using' the visuals to bash the story. It's crediting visuals despite the story, which is really all you can ask for in people who found the plot boring. I trust you :P, Well in this case it would be strange to not appreciate that department. I don't imply that people can't rate it lower than 8 or average etc. but based on what MAL has rated other stuff, I don't get why this isn't rated higher. Of course I understand people that didn't like the story, and in another time I wouldn't have said anything but in this case with all these other anime rated higher/similarly with this, it seems unfair. The latest example is fate's latest season. People are praising the visuals so much, and it got in the top 30 in the first episode, I do think that it was mainly due to the visuals, since not much story was laid out that early. BUT I haven't seen it so I'll stop here in case I said anything stupid. I personally don't call anything with an average rating of 8+ underrated on MAL. That's usually when the consensus can be interpreted as 'this is a very good/great anime' and expecting anything to be more than that in a userbase consensus rating system is just greedy :P. Sure, stuff may be still underrated compared to other stuff that is higher ranked (basically everything is under/overrated from that perspective), but not really as far as the score itself goes, imo. I agree as I mentioned above, I don't think that the score itself is not good. I think it is underrated when compared to other stuff. Also my main statement in the first post was my desire for it to be in the top 100. As for my reasoning with that, its really simple. As I would want the anime with the best story to be in the top 100, I would want the same for the one with the best visuals, the best soundtrack, the best characters, the best design, the best.... blah blah.Of course all these would be my personal opinon, but still. Edit: Well this ended up big. Hope I'm not too late too. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: Something that is higher rated and where it makes sense to compare them would be Hotarubi no Mori e which I rated higher than Kotonoha as well because I found the romance in it very touching and the visuals, while not on the level of Kotonoha, were still very nice. I definitely see why Hotarubi would be rated higher than Kotonoha since I did so myself. Do you two agree/disagree? I liked Hotarubi too. I do think that it is better in every aspect except the visuals. The romance was indeed good and felt really satisfying, especially the ending. I even cried for like 10 minutes during the ending. While in Kotonoha the only part that touched me was I can see why people would rate it higher too. Its just that I see things very differently. As I mentioned in the above post, I add a coeffiicient in each aspect. The better that department, the bigger the coefficient. In Kotonoha's case, if ,lets say, I wanted to give it a 10, I would give the visuals a 1.3- 1.4 coefficient because thats the part that I liked. This is not a really efficient rating "scale", but its the one that satisfies me. |
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