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| I'm still baffled by how it ended.. |
PrimDec 16, 2023 2:06 PM
| Why do you all you cal lovers hate Reiji, he never meant to hurt her, and in the end she still loved him. He didn't want anyone else to die. Lol so why is he the bad guy. Plus it sucks that some random guy shot him lol |
| Awww I just needed a happy ending to be able to go to sleep peacefully. just my luck I don't think Elen is dead because in the end when she lays in the grass there is no wound and no gunshot sign whatsoever. She's just looking at the sky, like in the beginning. The petal might be just Reiji. Since the empty shell is in the grass near her, for all I care she might have killed him herself. I mean why would we be pointed to an empty shell in the grass, not on the road? Plus. It's a kind of a round story. It begins with Ein, it ends with Ein. As in begins with one and ends with one. She also returns to her homeland. It's a eprfect circle. Since Reiji is HER creation, might as well be her killing him. That would make a lot more sense. And well... wasn't Reiji telling her she is the best at acting? Didn't she look like a total psycho all along? I'm just a lot more inclined to believe this round story theory rather than random inferno gone Mongolia stuff. Since it's just something they came up with to make the story "more interesting" anyway |
Nick_Carver said: Ok, am I the only one who actually likes Claudia? All other characters act like a freakn idiots. And Reiji... Reiji acts like a 100% douche. All his decisions make no sense! Come on! He's trying to "protect" Elen over and over again despite her betrayal. He helps her, gives her a new name and stuff but still as soon as her "Master" appears she starts acting like a puppet. Ugh. Claudia saves Reiji's arse over 9000 times and still he leaves her behind. And why? Because he wants to come to his "training yard" for some nostalgia shit? Really? Nope. Claudia was my fav throughout all the anime. I'm still pretty disappointed that she died. |
Solipsus said: *text here* I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you are entirely correct, but you make some good points. The quotes you brought up do not suggest much really. Also, the cart man DID infact kill Reiji. The possibility of the bullet going through is highly unlikely like you said because she was still alive when Reiji was shot, but the possibility of her eating the flower you named is pretty much what happened most likely. You ended your assumption though as soon as you said Reiji "killed himself". This is not possible because he had his right hand in his pocket and his left hand on his side. He did not move once while watching Elen. Elen couldn't have possibly killed him either because she was looking at the flowers crouched when the cart man arrived and passed. Now, I'll bring up some suggestible claims as to how I believe it most definitely ended. First during their travels to find out information about Elen's past we clearly see the killer.  That's obviously the cart man. It would be safe to assume that he's a assassin from Inferno who was tracking them. He could have easily asked that man for information as to where they are headed. When Elen says "this is it" toward the end I assumed that the journey for her memories was over and that her being able to see that location and remember it was enough for her. She also says "I don't need anymore than this" to further conclude this assumption. In the end I think she just wanted to be with Reiji due to the life they've lived together and the memories that were created. Just before the cart man arrived she is crouched with her hand under the flower petals while Reiji was watching her from a far. In the end she does show her true smile so the promises were indeed kept. They then show her face disappearing and we are then shown a scene where she is lying in the grass fields with no expression or movement. The petal was already gone when they showed the flower further more suggesting that she did indeed eat it. The last scene is to confuse people. They are both indeed dead but the outcomes of death are different. All in all it was a great series, but I felt it was somewhat spoiled with the last scene. I think I am right in saying a lot of people wanted a "happily ever after" ending myself included. 10/10 :) |
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| The anime was one of a kind I must say. 10/10 for me and all of the characters introduced at the first half of the series died except that Shiga guy and the head of Inferno, it makes me feel sick. The 3 main characters all died at the end; Cal (Drei) died shot by Reiji (Zwei) Reiji (Zwei) got shot on the plain field by an unknown assasin riding on a horse cart at the end Elen (Ein) died eating the poisonous flower petal (as we can see that one of the petal from the flower vanishes) and thats the reason she said that the journey to find her hometown/memory is enough, it should stop (it means that there is no point to go on living anymore as that reason has been the reason they keep on living). If they had an alternative ending i would want it to be like Reiji shot the gun of Cal's hand during the duel and offer her to live with him and Elen (Ein), then a new character showed up saving's Reiji Elen and Cal's life from the phantoms and kill Scythe as he owes his life to Reiji once long time ago when they were small (Reiji notices the boy's face and though he was another ghost) all 4 got out of Japan safelly and travels to the Mongolia place, there is when the boy sense the killing intent of the assasin and kills him before he shot, Cal stops Elen from eating the posionous flower and said that they 4 are all family and shouldnt run from each other by dying, and they all decided to live in Mongolia for the rest of their live happily. Ending scene could be something like a house is shown during the sunset where the boy came back from shopping in the city, Elen is seen playing on the flower field happily and Cal and Reiji is seen in the balcony drinking and enjoying the view. (they could add a kiss scene Reiji with Cal or Reiji joins Elen and kissed her) . THE END. |
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| Wow, talk about an ending that's cryptic(and depressing) as BALLS. Cal dies, Reiji dies, Eren dies, and we, for the most part, have absolutely no clue what the f*** is going on. Oh, and a little thing about the Nightshade, I'm not sure the lethal and most well know type(Belladonna) grows well in Mongolia anyways. Nightshade prefers soil high in limestone and moisture, as well as shaded areas, three things Mongolia is not known for. It could be argued that since Calcium Carbonate is acidic and some of the other plants that are cultivated in Mongolia like acidic soil( potatoes, wheat doesn't mind it, corn to an extent) but they need high levels of potassium, nitrates and phosphorous than Belladonna. And while I'm aware that all plants need the aforementioned macronutrients. Some need more. Either way, it was a great ending to a great series. I'm sad it's over, I'm kind of confused, but I think everything worked out alright. R.i.P. Eren and Reiji <333 |
| Lemme smang it girl. |
| Ok, I watched the series in like 2008 or something and decided to get the visual novel dvd. Finally getting around to completing everything and going through all the routes. When I played through Eins route I was waiting for Reiji to be shot like in the anime, BUT he wasn't! And there was no FRIGGN flower that she picked up. She just stretched her arms out into the sky, reaching for the sky trying to grasp it. Blah Blah she smiles and tells Reiji this is enough and the end. Looking for the pc verison CG's for the other Cg's in the 18+ version I found a pic that shows after you complete all the routes. It is a pic of Elen in a couples years from then because her hair is longer, past her shoulders, in a ponytail and in a asian-looking outfit. From this I think Bee train fudged the ending and killed them off because in the vn the last scene in the anime did not happen. I was very suprised and raged for the fact that the vn was different than the anime and that the ein route anime did not end the same way. For 4 years I thought Reiji, Elen, and Cal all end up dead, but it changes everything if the vn does not kill Elen and Reiji off. Well try the dvd vn and confirm for yourselfs. |
Arceus said: Well that was not an ending I was suspecting but the anime overall was nice. Does anyone know the name of the melody of Cal's pocket watch? I don't think it's included in the OST for some odd reason. that is a hymn from the bible. Hymn 527 i think, titled "jesus is coming." This is from the vn and is about god's mercy. |
| First half was good, the later part was crap. The ending was okay. |
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Fabzor said: Solipsus said: *text here* I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you are entirely correct, but you make some good points. The quotes you brought up do not suggest much really. Also, the cart man DID infact kill Reiji. The possibility of the bullet going through is highly unlikely like you said because she was still alive when Reiji was shot, but the possibility of her eating the flower you named is pretty much what happened most likely. You ended your assumption though as soon as you said Reiji "killed himself". This is not possible because he had his right hand in his pocket and his left hand on his side. He did not move once while watching Elen. Elen couldn't have possibly killed him either because she was looking at the flowers crouched when the cart man arrived and passed. Now, I'll bring up some suggestible claims as to how I believe it most definitely ended. First during their travels to find out information about Elen's past we clearly see the killer. That's obviously the cart man. It would be safe to assume that he's a assassin from Inferno who was tracking them. He could have easily asked that man for information as to where they are headed. When Elen says "this is it" toward the end I assumed that the journey for her memories was over and that her being able to see that location and remember it was enough for her. She also says "I don't need anymore than this" to further conclude this assumption. In the end I think she just wanted to be with Reiji due to the life they've lived together and the memories that were created. Just before the cart man arrived she is crouched with her hand under the flower petals while Reiji was watching her from a far. In the end she does show her true smile so the promises were indeed kept. They then show her face disappearing and we are then shown a scene where she is lying in the grass fields with no expression or movement. The petal was already gone when they showed the flower further more suggesting that she did indeed eat it. The last scene is to confuse people. They are both indeed dead but the outcomes of death are different. All in all it was a great series, but I felt it was somewhat spoiled with the last scene. I think I am right in saying a lot of people wanted a "happily ever after" ending myself included. 10/10 :) All very good, but the biggest flaw is still the casing. If the man in the cart shot the bullet the casing would fall where he was sitting not on the ground. The picture is just a random guy. If he was important at all than it would at least define him a bit more than some random guy barely seen and with a shaky outline. |
| Not exactly the ending I was hoping for but the series overall is pretty damn good. I'm considering rewatching again in subbed :) |
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| Hmm I think its one of those things where the writer leaves it to the "reader" to decided what happens. I personally like to think he survives :) Sure he got shot and you see him falling but doesn't mean he died instantly.. Everything from then on out is up to the reader to decided what happens after. They lived happily ever after, done! lol 5/5 |
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| Oh I wasn't aware that it was based on a game xD ah well I'll keep telling myself he ended up surviving and they lived happily ever after :3 I must believe! |
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| Here is a copy and paste of my blog entry explaining the ending. (my take on it with pictures, quotes, and evidence) |
funkotakuApr 9, 2012 2:28 AM
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| I just finished watching Requiem for the Phantom, the complete series on DVD and Blu-ray. Loved it. But as many of you felt, the ending left me depressed and completely baffled. I would like to put forward a theory that I haven't seen here. First, I felt that Eren didn't die at the end. She was just lying on her back looking at the sky. I felt it odd that she didn't act surprised when Reiji was shot she just smiled. Why? One clue was that several times in the series a big deal was made of her acting ability. You could never know her true feelings. Was she just using Reiji. Eren and Reiji were not lovers, they acted as brother and sister. Was it because she had no real feelings for him? She was the first Phantom but Reiji was superior to her and overshadowed her, but she needed his help to discover who she was. When his usefulness was over she had him killed. Nobody else could have known where they were. Now Eren knows who she is and is once again the only Phantom. I know this a cynical view, but throughout the series Eren was a soulless puppet and only Reiji felt he could save her. Did she ever have feeling for him or was she just acting? What do you think? |
JymMar 26, 2012 11:49 AM
| Great analysis OriginANIME! Clears up a bit of things. My take is that the carriage driver is Lelouch vi Brittania, after R2 he was obviously employed as a phantom carriage driver assassin DUH :D In all seriousness, I can't really tell what's going on. Because as soon as I get an idea, there's something that happens in the ending which conflicts with it... The best idea I have is that both Elen and Reiji are together in the field, Reiji is facing the back of Elen. Elen is initially not very happy, as although the place is familiar, she can't find her memories. Reiji then turns the opposite direction, goes to the cliffs to see the sunset. Reiji smiles as he becomes hopeful and thinks to himself that "one day" he wants that one promise of making Elen smile fulfilled. Elen becomes happy with the thought of all her new memories she developed from being with Reiji. Reiji gets shot, and Elen notices by hearing the sound of the bullet. She expected this, they both knew that they'd be hunted. So now that Reiji is dead and she is happy, she poisons herself with the flower as she knows she would die next anyway. The final smile she gives is from the relief that her and Reiji can finally be together in peace. I don't know why Reiji is smiling after he gets shot. If he dies then the same people who killed him would take Elen's life next and him being dead, he can't protect her and fulfil his promise... Some things that bothered me with the anime were the fact that Reiji never even bothered to tell Cal that he didn't "abandon" her, he was just fully convinced she died. Another thing is when Reiji killed that little boy and his mother around the start of the show. Not much of a big deal was made of that, and I didn't expect that he'd do it. I thought that his limit, even as Zwei, was killing innocent children. OriginANIME said: Here is a copy and paste of my blog entry explaining the ending. (my take on it with pictures, quotes, and evidence) |
RaynesMar 31, 2012 11:45 AM
| I watched until the part six months later. After this I DIDNT see anything. |
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this is actually the REAL happy ending. Remember, the game had multiple endings so it doesnt matter what you believe. But the anime follows the ending where they go to Mongolia and this is what truly happened when they got there. |
OriginANIME said: Here is a copy and paste of my blog entry explaining the ending. (my take on it with pictures, quotes, and evidence) Updated. |
funkotakuApr 9, 2012 2:29 AM
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| Scythe master is finally dead. I don't get the ending. I'll have to read the other topic. |
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Aeterna said: Overall, the episode was done fairly well. I still feel that the six Phantom team wasn't used to its full potential and so it just felt contrived - it was pretty clear that Elen and Reiji were going to defeat them, and then move on to SM, so I spent that part of the episode just waiting it out. SM really was an interesting character, if only for his eccentricities, so again, he's another case of an under-developed character. When I watched him this episode, I asked myself, "Why don't we know more about this guy?" and then wondered what this show would have been like if it was from his perspective rather than Reiji's (then again...it would probably just be a lot of weird "puppet" molestation scenes LOL) For the series as a whole, I'm pretty much in agreement with Jacut. Phantom could have been a lot more, but it wasn't and felt rather underwhelming. The direction was inconsistent, the characters were underused and under-developed, and who could forget the weird "songasm"? It gets points for an interesting premise, some interesting developments in the first arc (that never really got finished or explored further), some solid animation, and a decent character or two (even if they weren't used to their full potentials, such as Claudia or Cal). So, overall, Phantom could have been a lot better if handled a different way. 6/10. I just finished this and this ^ sums up my feelings xD Though there are many theories of what happened in the end... thing is it kind of sucked either way. Those ambiguous endings are mehh to me when the story didn't attract me enough cause of being incomplete. At first I thought it was all abt Inferno (wrong), then it was abt Elen and Reiji (she died), then abt his new purpose in life, Cal (wrong) but no in the end it was all abt Elen and Reiji and the whole backstory felt like a decoration. All the characters that should have been developed didn't and the show felt hollow. Scythemaster... I thought maybe we'd get intel on him towards the end... but no... only where he worked and that didn't help much. McQuire as the boss of Inferno... was USELESS... Claudia? Random as random can be. Cal... bipolar much and she needed more time for her chara which she never got. Ein.. I don't think she was rly under-developed... just some adjustments here and there maybe. The only random person I found well developed was Lizzie. I don't know why rly. She didn't have a great role but what she did, she did fairly well. I could get into her role a bit. Also Cal's theme when she grew up annoyed me but at the same time I rly liked it how it changed from that nice melody to that annoying fast beat xD I don't know how or why but... the orgasms at the end... Were they rly necessary? First time I heard it, I thought I was wrong but nope... they were moans... Either way, nice series I guess as an overall or at least as an idea. 6/10 cause I'm nice and I try to look to the good things it had and could have. I may not have been able to get into the story since it was kinda a mess but I wasn't RLY bored so that's something. |
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brockywolf said: phew you know assassins cannot live a normal life after killing many people from organizations but i dont believe that Reiji Azuma will die from only 1 shot hes very strong they got shot many times and lived after all... i want to think positively so i think that for the end Elen saved him after that shot he's very strong he cant die just because of a shot of an 9mm gun lowlz.. so i think im happy -_- That would be true... if life was a video game where you have a health bar. A bullet to a vital organ will kill you. And nobody who just gets wounded by a bullet falls like that. So that bullet definitely hit a vital era, most likely the heart. Elen's fate is unknown... tough the poisonous flower you see in the last scene suggests shem ay have committed a suicide. |
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| You guys really need to analyze this stuff? It's Gen's work, even if there was a happy ending, something wicked fucking awful will happen, even if it's in the credits, even if it's implied. Look at all his work, from Saya no Uta to Madoka, he just doesn't believe in good endings and if there was such a thing, he will bring primary characters to their knees or even to their deaths. He will make them pay for it. Anyone watch that Fate/Zero episode where caster is explaining how much sweeter it is for people to find hope only to get pulled down during it's zenith? That's Gen's entire philosophy and that's what makes him a god tier writer. With all that said though, I thought the series took an unnecessary turn. Cal dying was unnecessary, it seemed like talking about some logical mistake would have easily made things somewhat cordial, she seemed to have been regaining her senses before squaring off with what she though was Ein. Living in japan just seemed like a big mistake. Reiji dying is not some philosophical symbolism, he just got shot. |
| The chip in my mind, it summons me. I gave my life to your machines. |
| The Watch, Bullet, And Flower Are The Three Things that Cause Each Phantoms Death. Making Them The *Requiems For The Phantoms*... See How That Works? :P |
| I think the ending was perfect. McGuire definitely wouldn't want ex-infernos on the loose, so it's only natural that he send assassin's to take them down. What I can't still get is why they show that flower at the end with a missing petal? |
| wait WHAT? WHY DID REIJI DIE AT THE END? WHY? What is the point of that? I really wanted him to keep his promise to Mio. At least Scythe finally died, Wow this had such a depressing, and sad ending. I really wanted better for Cal, and Reiji. |
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| Oh God, such an ending. Just thinking about it gives me chills. Elen shooting Reiji and then eating the poisonous flower, I dont know what to thnk xD But I guess both om them finally got what they wanted in the end <3 |
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| Pretty good show overall, I mainly liked it because of Cal though. After she died there wasn't much left for me to watch. Surprised Reiji died at the end, he couldn't even have a happy ending. I wonder what happens in the Cal ending. I just noticed that more people on MAL like Ein than Cal, but outside of MAL more people seem to like Cal. |
Ragna92Jul 29, 2012 12:33 AM
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| This serie rocked :) Too bad they died in the end. |
XxNaLuxX said: Sorry everyone but like it or not the most logical ending is Eren did in fact kill reiji. The man in the cart couldnt have doen it because why would his shell casing be all the way in the fields they were standing in and from eins side where she stood? As well the petal was in fact missing and notice that while it showed her touching it it didnt show one of her arms meaning she was pointing the gun at reiji from the side. When he was shot he slightly smiled. why? Both got what they wanted. This is it, I agree, remember I said that a big deal was made about Eren's acting ability. She was a killer at a much younger age and had no emotions. She couldn't have loved Reiji, she just used him to find her homeland. She then killed him. She didn't kill herself, she was just laying back looking at the sky of her homeland. |
| I thought it was a metaphor. Like Zwei is dead now, and only Reiji remains. |
| Let's go bowling. |
| What a huge disappointment this show was. Especially since it had potential. I mean with a premise as awesome as that how can you: - make the first 19 episodes so mediocre (but still decent) - make the final 7 episodes so god awful? At least the final scene was great. 6/10, a real shame. Glad it's over. |
Murbella said: Anyway, i wish i hadn't watched the last 15 seconds to see them killed. I kind of feared it was going to happen though. It is so cliche and overdone to end shows like that, especially when they have anything to do with assassins. Viewer thinks the main characters won the day against all odds and a really hateable enemy and now they will live together happily ever after, but then, nope they are dead! Not to mention you would think he would have been able to sense and dodge it. They just got done defeating the best assassins created by the genius of the field and then he is killed by some old man riding by on a horse? Anti-clamatic at best. If they were going to kill them off, i would have rather seen them fighting like 30 of those assassins and then die together killing scythe master in an epic scene. Agreed. Sad, disappointing ending imo. Still was a great anime. 8/10 |
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| Honestly I've got mixed feelings about the ending. I mean, Reiji deserves to die and he knows it. After all, he's a heavy believer in karma. He knew that it would catch up to him eventually. I think since he fulfilled his promise he was he actually ready to die. I do wish that someone who we knew or that actually had some sort of importance to the story had been the one to kill him. Sure anyone could be killed when they have their guard down, including the infamous Phantom. However it would've left more of an impact if the head of inferno or some other character did the deed. In the case of Eren, I'm very confused. I didn't even notice that bit with the flowers at first because I had no idea they were poison lol. I know it's open ended with the petal off of the flower makes it look like she ate it and killed herself but it's also possible that it simply blew away in the wind. Then again the way her image faded away at the end was ominous. Sucks that there most likely won't be a sequel but it was still a fun ride. I'd give it an 8. |
| The ending was well done. Sad but well done. This series could have been something really special. A good story with some splendid scenes and music. But they messed up a couple of things here and there. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
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