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ssjokg said: Devil_Slayer said: That possible. Don't be surprised, Ryukishi probably spend endless sleeping nights thinking of new ways to torture her. Doesnt matter, if you ask Bernkastel the worst moment of her life was probably when she or got . So all is good ahaha.wav. I mean Bern does everything because she Even Lambda I think mentions Bern is more broken than her because of that? But I do question the point of this anime when Rika's arc was finished with Saikoroshi, I do wonder what excuse R07 had cooked up to rip her of her happy ending and torture her like this. Heck, her deaths now are worse than the original because she gets to remember all of them too. |
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Jin_uzuki said: ssjokg said: Doesnt matter, if you ask Bernkastel the worst moment of her life was probably when she or got . So all is good ahaha.wav. I mean Bern does everything because she Even Lambda I think mention Bern is more broken than her because of that? But I do question the point of this anime when Rika's arc was finished with Saikoroshi, I do wonder what excuse R07 had cooked up to rip her of her happy ending and torture her like this. Heck, her deaths now are worse than the original because she gets to remember all of them too. Then I will go with the punch since that brought back memories of pain XD. So far it seem like a retcon for Bern's birth. Unless if Witch Bernkastel and Frederika will officially end up as different people. |
| Rika thought she had Hope. An old ally unseen before to new viewers. Then he goes crazy and kills rika. Then literally random people in the village go crazy and kill rika. It almost feels like Rika is receiving divine punishment with how random her deaths are. It'd almost be enjoyable to watch if it happened to a villain, but since it's happening to our innocent protagonist it's downright awful and makes me feel sad for her. The confusion and the despair rika feels, is truly the same as the viewer. |
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| ok Passione you did Akasaka dirty there xD ngl Rika looks quite cute when beheaded |
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| DAME! Seeing Rika die 4 times in a row my my eyes water up and i'm sure if the episode didn't' end when it did I would have started to cry. I'm surprise by how the creators decided not to show an entire loop like how they have before but then again this is Higurashi that we're talking about expect the unexpected. 4 loops of death 1 loop left and this time if she dies this loop she's gonna kill here self for good. These next few episodes are going to be interesting. How will Rika overcome FATE. Cant Wait To Find Out Overall This episode was 5 out of 5 for me |
| I can’t believe Akasaka went L5... Then Mion/Shion’s mother and Kimiyoshi... This time looping is much harder Poor Rika :( |
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| I always say this but poor Rika... she’s suffering and no one can help her. She got killed by the ones who she trusted the most. |
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| Well this episode has basically wrecked my theories about the Takano since the GHD hasn't happened and doesn't seem like it will happen, which means that Also: If that actually is Takano (don't think Satako would even be allowed in the house due to her family), then that completely ruins the Takano mastermind theory. It honestly seems like there isn't even a mastermind in the first place. I doubt that this is even the original Higurashi gameboard with how unpredictable this is. Overall, a less than subpar episode. Hopefully the next 2 episodes will be good. |
NekoArc666Jan 14, 2021 12:25 PM
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Dracus said: ssjokg said: So far it seem like a retcon for Bern's birth. Unless if Witch Bernkastel and Frederika will officially end up as different people. Why retcon though? We were never explained the supposed "logical error" in the original (and the very "logical error" was retcon of sorts with respect to Higurashi). Now, if Gou ISN'T an origin story, then I don't know what's the point in making this series, honestly. |
| Can Battler show up btw? I am don't even give a dman about consistency, things already went shit long ago. |
| Akasaka: (exists) Rika: oh boy time to begin the simping |
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| Idk how anybody can trash on this, feels like a bandwagon. R07 is godlike in terms of crafting new mysteries and I'm sure the conclusion to all this will be satisfying. Also, the criticisms of the animation here feel like the people complaining about AoT final season's directing: tiny nitpicks conflated to say that the whole thing is bad when they're mostly bad frames here and there. |
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| This episode was extreme. And full of black comedy. That comedy cut of Rika smiling to Rika eyes wide open and covered in blood caught me off guard. It's been a long time since I laughed as hard at an anime as I did watching Rena's head cave in and eyeballs pop out (and again when it happened to Rika). |
Haunt-botJan 14, 2021 1:03 PM
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| What the actual fuck, this has to be the most jaw dropping thing I've seen from Higurashi Also, why is this rated at 7.09? I mean, it arguably does everything better than the Deen adaptation EDIT: LOOOL never mind, I just noticed that most VN readers love this and Deen fans don't. Which is obvious because the Deen adaptation made Higurashi into something it really isn't, so this is coming off as weird |
FireFistYKJan 14, 2021 12:45 PM
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SparkleDuck said: When you say bad frames you mean the whole scenes where the killers go ITCHY ITCHY.Idk how anybody can trash on this, feels like a bandwagon. R07 is godlike in terms of crafting new mysteries and I'm sure the conclusion to all this will be satisfying. Also, the criticisms of the animation here feel like the people complaining about AoT final season's directing: tiny nitpicks conflated to say that the whole thing is bad when they're mostly bad frames here and there. The idea isnt bad at all. The execution is. Why did we bother with 14 episodes of almost copy pasted og Higurashi when these events here could have been the entire first cour? Something that we have never seen in the og anime. And yes there is mystery but not detective mystery. The only good thing about this episode was Rika and Tamura Yukari. Other than that it was a bad mix of stuff we love, executed very badly. Well she did in Rei. Why did the higher beings didnt do it then? EDIT: Some people obviously that they watched Higurashi for the gore. |
SparkleDuck said: most people are saying the whole gou feels pointless, not nitpicking on few bad frames...Idk how anybody can trash on this, feels like a bandwagon. R07 is godlike in terms of crafting new mysteries and I'm sure the conclusion to all this will be satisfying. Also, the criticisms of the animation here feel like the people complaining about AoT final season's directing: tiny nitpicks conflated to say that the whole thing is bad when they're mostly bad frames here and there. |
ssjokg said: The idea isnt bad at all. The execution is. Why did we bother with 14 episodes of almost copy pasted og Higurashi when these events here could have been the entire first cour? Something that we have never seen in the og anime. And yes there is mystery but not detective mystery. The only good thing about this episode was Rika and Tamura Yukari. Other than that it was a bad mix of stuff we love, executed very badly. Honestly these 4 loops feel such a waste. We finally have a Rika's POV, so I was expecting her to do some investigations with her "last 5 tries", providing us some clues. You know, follow Takano and Tomitake, notice the issue with the statue's hand. Instead it feels like we are going into the last loop with the same knowledge we did on the episode before. I do wonder how much Rika herself actually investigated? Thanos_ said: ssjokg said: When you say bad frames you mean the whole scenes where the killers go ITCHY ITCHY. The idea isnt bad at all. The execution is. Why did we bother with 14 episodes of almost copy pasted og Higurashi when these events here could have been the entire first cour? Something that we have never seen in the og anime. And yes there is mystery but not detective mystery. The only good thing about this episode was Rika and Tamura Yukari. Other than that it was a bad mix of stuff we love, executed very badly. Well she did in Rei. Why did the higher beings didnt do it then? EDIT: Some people obviously that they watched Higurashi for the gore. We don't know who is responsible this time. The act of her dying later it is a mystery itself. I think this why they focus on her dying a lot in this episode. If she did die after Rei for example, it would be very unlikely. A curious fact, that this time she does not want to return to her friends, but to her calm life at school. Maybe she don't hang with them anymore. I think she still loves her friends (They stopped her for killing herself), but I think it's natural she'd want to explore possibilities and see other places. |
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| So I assume she's gonna give it more than just 1 more loop? We have 2 more episodes of Nekodamashi and then one 7 episode arc afterwards. Maybe she will learn something really valuable in the next two episodes and decide to try again? Also if the direction had been done differently this could have been like a Happy Death Day or Russian Doll montage...but it was just sad. =[ |
Gar_Logan said: I expect a future arc at one point given they have to explain how she died 5 years later and how the current predicament came to be. I assume the last loop could also be longer I guess.So I assume she's gonna give it more than just 1 more loop? We have 2 more episodes of Nekodamashi and then one 7 episode arc afterwards. Maybe she will learn something really valuable in the next two episodes and decide to try again? Also if the direction had been done differently this could have been like a Happy Death Day or Russian Doll montage...but it was just sad. =[ |
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| I seriously doubt Rika even done that much investigation on why these loops are happening. |
| Man, reading this thread is such a bummer after seeing the episode so well received elsewhere. "We don't know anything yet about where the story is going, but no, let's not wait to find out, it's shit because we say so." |
| Oh yuck, decrepit Fate fans stalking MAL forums again. This time, Higurashi edition. |
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astroprogs said: Man, reading this thread is such a bummer after seeing the episode so well received elsewhere. "We don't know anything yet about where the story is going, but no, let's not wait to find out, it's shit because we say so." With "elsewhere" do you mean leddit, because the places I checked it (WTC communities, /a/ and some twitter) the episode had been divisive. Also lol do people realize this is the FIFTEEN episode? We are what, 70% done? How much do you want to wait for people to criticize this thing? |
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Jin_uzuki said: astroprogs said: Man, reading this thread is such a bummer after seeing the episode so well received elsewhere. "We don't know anything yet about where the story is going, but no, let's not wait to find out, it's shit because we say so." With "elsewhere" do you mean leddit, because the places I checked it (WTC communities, /a/ and some twitter) the episode had been divisive. Also lol do people realize this is the FIFTEEN episode? We are what, 70% done? How much do you want to wait for people to criticize this thing? Places where the majority of the audience are watching this show, so yes, Reddit is one of them. And this is a mystery show. You get to criticize the mystery only after it's been unraveled. This is no different from the people who dropped Higurashi in the question arcs thinking that they got the story, and the show for that matter, all figured out when they simply just don't have enough information to make that claim. Not to mention, considering that the entire reason for why Gou even exists is tied to that mystery, the claim that this show hasn't justified its existence can't be made at that point in time still. |
astroprogs said: Places where the majority of the audience are watching this show, so yes, Reddit is one of them. I wasn't aware Reddit was the authority when it comes to Higurashi and the only opinion that matters. Also Reddit is shit and an echo chamber. And this is a mystery show. You get to criticize the mystery only after it's been unraveled. You certainly get to criticize the execution of the mystery and the whole 15 episodes we have seen which is what most people are doing.  Or am I suppose to praise this? Thank you Passione, very cool! Sorry I laughed IRL. This is no different from the people who dropped Higurashi in the question arcs thinking that they got the story, and the show for that matter, all figured out when they simply just don't have enough information to make that claim. Not to mention, considering that the entire reason for why Gou even exists is tied to that mystery, the claim that this show hasn't justified its existence can't be made at that point in time still. I wish people would stop complain the masterful horror/human drama/psychological story that was the original (Novel) with a pseudo-sequel that recycles 90% of the original "content" and expect people to sit through it and "solve the mystery" with 10 minutes of original stuff. Even without the mystery and even knowing the truth the original work is an amazing read because the characters are fantastic and R07's writing really nails the horror/tension. So yes, even if you take the "mystery" out of Higurashi Novel, it still an incredibly good read. |
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| Holy crap. This was probably the most brutal episode imo.. Poor Rika. Really poor Rika. She didn't deserve this. Reading about the loop things... Come on this is better and less pain than the endless 8. Anyway last try I guess for Rika. I am really curious how this will go |
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| For anyone just watching Gou, isn't the entire Akasaka sequence just... completely meaningless? |
| well i'm personally shocked that none of this was censored. mom slicing off heads + keiichi head bonks were insane to me |
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| I might just still be in shock, but this might've been one of the worst episodes of anime i've ever seen and i can't believe i'm saying that. There's still time left for the show to at least have explanations for why this is happening, but my god that was bad haha. This show is like a caricature of what people who haven't seen Higurashi think it is at this point. The violent scenes continue to be comedic too. Don't get why Rika was surprised to see Keiichi getting on with Ooishi, in the novel she'd already seen this event happen ages ago. Guess it was for the new viewers idk. I could honestly rant on forever about this episode but bleh. No point wasting too much time until the anime is over so i can find out if this is bad on purpose or just bad. You know, i would've just liked a slice of life anime featuring Rika at Lucia academy. Also, the Ciconia reference was the best thing to come out of this anime so far. I see you frog! |
| I was expecting a speedrun on nekodamashi, but I didn't expect it all to be in a single episode. Something is telling me that in the last loop of nekodamashi Rika will end up in St. Lucia at the right moment she lost her memory. Just a wild guess. Since it was mixed in the question arcs, there was no way to tell, but it seems like Rika's deaths are more likely to be attached to Rule X, which has a lot stronger will than before, instead of Rule Y, which seems to be broken so far, or changed. Also, often, but not all the times, the affected are believing that Rika is behind the curse. Also, thinking about the theory that could be another looper. Rika would have to pretty much hammer down that fragment of sword into someone's neck. That would make her a murderer. She would stop looping, but that wouldn't bring back the good days. Just a thought I wanted to add to that theory. I liked this episode, in a comical way. Not because of the gore, of the outcome, but because Rika's becoming more and more cynical. I can't remember any hints in the question arcs to guess what will happen next, but at least it's finally happening. I wonder if Gou will ever reach redemption. I'm still interested. Update: When I saw the mahjong scene, they really got my hopes up. I really thought they would actually show how Tsubame Gaeshi was, because I never understood the explanation properly. Idk shit about mahjong XD. |
rafaelfserafimJan 14, 2021 3:51 PM
Jin_uzuki said: astroprogs said: Places where the majority of the audience are watching this show, so yes, Reddit is one of them. I wasn't aware Reddit was the authority when it comes to Higurashi and the only opinion that matters. Also Reddit is shit and an echo chamber. And this is a mystery show. You get to criticize the mystery only after it's been unraveled. You certainly get to criticize the execution of the mystery and the whole 15 episodes we have seen which is what most people are doing. Or am I suppose to praise this? Thank you Passione, very cool! Sorry I laughed IRL. This is no different from the people who dropped Higurashi in the question arcs thinking that they got the story, and the show for that matter, all figured out when they simply just don't have enough information to make that claim. Not to mention, considering that the entire reason for why Gou even exists is tied to that mystery, the claim that this show hasn't justified its existence can't be made at that point in time still. I wish people would stop complain the masterful horror/human drama/psychological story that was the original (Novel) with a pseudo-sequel that recycles 90% of the original "content" and expect people to sit through it and "solve the mystery" with 10 minutes of original stuff. Even without the mystery and even knowing the truth the original work is an amazing read because the characters are fantastic and R07's writing really nails the horror/tension. So yes, even if you take the "mystery" out of Higurashi Novel, it still an incredibly good read. I didn't say Reddit was the authority on anything. I said that Reddit is one of the places where the majority of the audience are. You can't judge the execution of the mystery when you don't even know what the mystery and the elements of the plot are even in service of or what they're building up towards. You can absolutely criticize the art direction, because with character redesign of old characters, what you see is what you get. I was very clear in what I had an issue with in the criticism thrown at the show, and the art is not one of the things. I wish people would stop complain the masterful horror/human drama/psychological story that was the original (Novel) with a pseudo-sequel that recycles 90% of the original "content" and expect people to sit through it and "solve the mystery" with 10 minutes of original stuff. Even without the mystery and even knowing the truth the original work is an amazing read because the characters are fantastic and R07's writing really nails the horror/tension. So yes, even if you take the "mystery" out of Higurashi Novel, it still an incredibly good read. OK? I mean, you're the one comparing the first half of Gou (15 episodes) with the entirety of the original (50+ episodes) when you talk about character writing. Because the characters are 1:1 at this point of Gou as they were after just 3 of the question arcs from the original. As for the horror, sure, but I don't watch Higurashi to be scared. Was never scared at the original either. But that's subjective anyway, so whatever. As for the tension, I can't judge it for myself because I've watched the original. Can't really feel the tension as much because most of the scenes are scenes I've already watched before. To me, most of Gou didn't feel that different from my rewatch of the original question arcs. Newcomers on the other hand do say that they feel that tension, but I'm not a newcomer, so I can't comment on that. So yes, even if you take the "mystery" out of Higurashi Novel, it still an incredibly good read. If you remove the mystery and how the different pieces were revealed to interact in the unseen background with each other in the answer arcs, it's, at best, an average SoL. Higurashi is as good as it is because of how layered the mystery is. The character themselves and their interactions are not unique enough to carry a story all on their own. Keep in mind that when I say "mystery" I don't just mean HS. HS is just one part of the big puzzle. |
Lyree said: To say it's pointless is stupid when likely nobody has an idea what's going on yet. None of the OG felt like it had a big point until we hit the answer arcs, which this just hit the equivalent of. Mind you, this is just my opinion, but I don't understand how a mystery can be pointless if we don't know what's happening yet still. Still 10 whole eps left.SparkleDuck said: most people are saying the whole gou feels pointless, not nitpicking on few bad frames...Idk how anybody can trash on this, feels like a bandwagon. R07 is godlike in terms of crafting new mysteries and I'm sure the conclusion to all this will be satisfying. Also, the criticisms of the animation here feel like the people complaining about AoT final season's directing: tiny nitpicks conflated to say that the whole thing is bad when they're mostly bad frames here and there. |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: I think the end of Tataridamashi pretty much hinted that GHD never happened. When Keiichi met Rena, it seemed to already be fall, by the look of the trees.Well this episode has basically wrecked my theories about the Takano since the GHD hasn't happened and doesn't seem like it will happen, which means that Tsukumo_Yuuma said: This. I was like, what? The chronological order was really screwed up big time here. >Akasaka abandoned work and went to save his wife as Rika told him. > He met Rika after finishing the job and getting injured. (and he can't save his wife at this point and that's why Rika cut the phone wires in the village in Himatsubushi.) |
astroprogs said: I didn't say Reddit was the authority on anything. I said that Reddit is one of the places where the majority of the audience are. Based on what? That topic has 150 replies. That's not much. And why would it matter anyway? Why is their opinions different than those of most people here. You can't judge the execution of the mystery when you don't even know what the mystery and the elements of the plot are even in service of or what they're building up towards. Of course I can. I criticize the arcs being copy-paste from the original with zero changes. There is no point to these especially when you are literally shown this episode they could have made original arcs. I can criticize the lack of original content (Where the clues are supposed to be hidden). I can criticize the investigative job being extremely poor. Keiichi's pov has no business in a sequel to Higurashi because it only works for the audience to slowly familiarize themselves with the setting. We already know all the mysteries behind Hinamizawa. OK? I mean, you're the one comparing the first half of Gou (15 episodes) with the entirety of the original (50+ episodes) when you talk about character writing. Because the characters are 1:1 at this point of Gou as they were after just 3 of the question arcs from the original. Do we seriously want to compare Gou to the original 3 arcs too? Because Tadarimashi is one of the best thing R07 ever. All those arcs contain an original story-line that goes into different directions and offers a massive amount of clues toward the core mystery. 15 episodes are literally a whole anime. Gou spent a whole arc on Minagoroshi Satoko's CWS stuff which is completely useless for a sequel (Literally the script is 1:1 at times). Rei is a 5 hours novel and contains more character work for Rika and Hanyuu than 13 episodes of Gou. As for the horror, sure, but I don't watch Higurashi to be scared. Was never scared at the original either. But that's subjective anyway, so whatever. You shouldn't watch Higurashi because Higurashi anime is bad by the way. As for the tension, I can't judge it for myself because I've watched the original. Can't really feel the tension as much because most of the scenes are scenes I've already watched before. To me, most of Gou didn't feel that different from my rewatch of the original question arcs. Newcomers on the other hand do say that they feel that tension, but I'm not a newcomer, so I can't comment on that. If you remove the mystery and how the different pieces were revealed to interact in the unseen background with each other in the answer arcs, it's, at best, an average SoL. Higurashi is as good as it is because of how layered the mystery is. The character themselves and their interactions are not unique enough to carry a story all on their own. Keep in mind that when I say "mystery" I don't just mean HS. HS is just one part of the big puzzle. With "remove the mystery" I mean "If you know the whole truth" Higurashi is still incredible. Even if you know who kills Rika and the truth behind the GHD, Tatarigoroshi is still a fantastic read. Rena and Shion's character developments aren't diminished by you knowing the truth. R07's sociopolitical commentaries don't become worse. Tatarigoroshi-hen is still one of the best things he has written. Honestly in some cases you may enjoy it more because you get to see all the neat foreshadowing. |
Jin_uzukiJan 14, 2021 3:56 PM
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