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Samhiuy said: Dangan Ronpa has a stereotypical cast and it's interesting to get to know them and their quirks. I agree with everything you said in your post, but I'd just like to address this one small bit. I think a major aspect of Dangan Ronpa is how it corrupts the standard anime archetypes in some way by the situation they're placed in. Sayaka Maizono? Oh yeah, she's that sweet female protagonist that the MC is gonna pursue as a love interest and she's going to survive until the end so they can have a canon love story. Except no, she gets killed right off the bat (which could be taken literally as her murderer is a SHSL Baseball Player). And what's worse, they made her the initial murderer. She was the catalyst, she was the loose canon. You wouldn't expect these things from someone who is set up as the main heroine. Of course, now Kirigiri's getting her time to shine but that's only after Maizono is cast aside. I can't say how else they flip these stereotypical characters upside down without spoiling, but if you've read the LP or played the game you should know what I'm talking about. This is one of the big reasons why I love this series. You think you know things about everyone but they've always got a new trick up their sleeve. What's more, it sets you up to be like "Oh, I love this kind of character!" And then most likely that character is going to end up either murdering someone or getting murdered - ending up dead in the process either way. It's not just playing mind games with the characters, it's playing mind games with the viewer. But anyway, yeah, tell that guy. He's not realizing the difference between objectivity and subjectivity and needs a lesson in that. |
ChanaynayJul 22, 2013 12:15 PM
kaimax said: I think you mix up what is "better". Adaptation means doing a story in a different media and each type of media of course has its strength and limitation. So the luxury of length and being able to branch out in a game does not exist in an anime, but anime can provide a continuous sequence of actions in much better animation. So how do we compare which one is "better"? If you insist on having the exact kind of fun that you can have with the original media then of course the adaptation can "never be better". But that does not mean that an adaptation can never be better than the original material - the original material could be something ill-suited to its original media or just incompetently done and in better hand who understands the essence of material and the media of the adaptation well the adaptation could well be an improvement. I would not comment on whether this anime is better (or not) compared with the game since I have never played it, but I have to disagree with your statement that "It's already common knowledge that adaptations are never better that their source." because it is not common knowledge that such thing can never happen.Nope. There are only 2 kinds of adaptations -Adaptation is as good as the Original -Adaptation isn't as good as the Original There's no actual "Adaptation is better than", because trying to match up to the source is already very costly for the entire production, the best that they can do is make it as close as possible and be very careful on what they choose to alter for the adaptation. With time constraints, a tight budget, and the production cost in factor once again I say, There's no way an adaptation can be better than the original source with that kind of limitations. The question is how do you make something better without the risk of being unfaithful to original source. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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| Great episode but i am wondering how they will fit the story in only 13 episode really... |
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| I like the effects on Leon's executions. I want to see more deaths because of that. \o/ |
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| I can see how it would be kind of fun to play as a game but as an anime it really yells it's origin and seems so stupid while doing it. |
NorseFTX said: kaimax said: ihateeveryone said: It's also common knowledge that saying adaptions are never better than their source is absolute bullshit. Nope. There are only 2 kinds of adaptations -Adaptation is as good as the Original -Adaptation isn't as good as the Original There's no actual "Adaptation is better than", because trying to match up to the source is already very costly for the entire production, the best that they can do is make it as close as possible and be very careful on what they choose to alter for the adaptation. With time constraints, a tight budget, and the production cost in factor once again I say, There's no way an adaptation can be better than the original source with that kind of limitations. The question is how do you make something better without the risk of being unfaithful to original source. Unless you can prove how, my words are not bullshit. http://www.ehow.com/facts_5478636_define-adaptation.html How strange. I agree up to a point, but I believe you're missing one possibility--there should be three types: There are only 3 kinds of adaptations -Adaptation is the same as the Original -Adaptation is worse than the Original -Adaptation is better than the Original I agree. There are good number of anime that most fans would agree that it is better than the source material. For example, Attack on Titan anime outdone its manga source. The weak art in the manga make it difficult for me to enjoy, but the excellent animation and epic music turn the manga into a masterpiece, "at least so far". That guy saying anime should be expect to be worst than the source material is bullshiting and is a insult to anime itself. Why people even make anime if it must be worst than the original? For Dangan Ronpa, I will said that a lot of aspect are better than the original except the fact the pacing is terrible for new viewers. People who don't know the plot will have a difficult to keeping up and working the puzzles. |
Monad said: yah i do agree, its cool to see some of the things it does like how it tracks the day or how it kept the you got that wrong. But most of it feels forced and as you said stupid, hopefully they tone it down a bit later onI can see how it would be kind of fun to play as a game but as an anime it really yells it's origin and seems so stupid while doing it. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Ugh, I hate characters like Naegi. On the bright side though, his character does seem to be getting better and less naive/gullible so I'm not too bothered about it. |
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| I had first disarmed my expectations for this episode, waiting to be disappointed by a lackluster adaptation of the first trial. To my surprise, asides from the fast pace, this episode may nearly rival the game. The machine gun talk battle leading to the closure of the trial was thrilling; the insertion of the ending music helped achieve this. For those who haven't played the game, once again, I highly encourage you to play it as it allows you to grasp the full story to the greatest extent. An example would be the "bullets" that Naegi uses. I couldn't feel any excitement from those scenes at all, while they should represent a critical moment in the game. The plot may also feel very confusing or rushed if you haven't played the game already. |
Chanaynay said: Samhiuy said: Dangan Ronpa has a stereotypical cast and it's interesting to get to know them and their quirks. I agree with everything you said in your post, but I'd just like to address this one small bit. I think a major aspect of Dangan Ronpa is how it corrupts the standard anime archetypes in some way by the situation they're placed in. Sayaka Maizono? Oh yeah, she's that sweet female protagonist that the MC is gonna pursue as a love interest and she's going to survive until the end so they can have a canon love story. Except no, she gets killed right off the bat (which could be taken literally as her murderer is a SHSL Baseball Player). And what's worse, they made her the initial murderer. She was the catalyst, she was the loose canon. You wouldn't expect these things from someone who is set up as the main heroine. Of course, now Kirigiri's getting her time to shine but that's only after Maizono is cast aside. I can't say how else they flip these stereotypical characters upside down without spoiling, but if you've read the LP or played the game you should know what I'm talking about. This is one of the big reasons why I love this series. You think you know things about everyone but they've always got a new trick up their sleeve. What's more, it sets you up to be like "Oh, I love this kind of character!" And then most likely that character is going to end up either murdering someone or getting murdered - ending up dead in the process either way. It's not just playing mind games with the characters, it's playing mind games with the viewer. But anyway, yeah, tell that guy. He's not realizing the difference between objectivity and subjectivity and needs a lesson in that. This. I think after reaching the point after the first trial, I realized I really love the story line and how they handle the characters. You expect Maizono to be that cutsey love interest that pulls hopeless romantics into it. Even the title screen of the games, you see both Maizono and Naegi displayed. You expect them to be a tag team and that Maizono will be a survivor or maybe they will wait until the very end to kill her off... But she's the first to die!! I honestly was not expecting that one at all. But it shows how much an adorable female character with a sense of innocence really wasn't what it seems. She was the first one to pull in a victim and potentially blame it on a naive friend that would have defended her if she made it to the trial. |
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| I have mixed feelings about this adaption , really. |
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kaimax said: GodlyKyon said: Oh... Its traced? Looked way too similar to me.. You can call it that, but they definitely drawn and animated that scene properly, rather than just copy pasting the scene from the game. Put them side-side they look and move slightly different I guess you can say they tried to duplicate it. So, if everyone thinks it's the same, then it's a job well done. When you draw something for the first time, it's pretty hard to duplicate your own work. |
| Give me at least 5 minutes to modify my post before quoting me. (refreshing page advised) |
| I don't know the game so I can't say much but I like this anime. Even though it's kinda weird, it makes me want to watch more. I wonder how many will die and how will they die in the next episodes. For some reason, I find Monokuma really cute especially when he speaks. |
| Aaaaaah that death was so fitting yet brutal, I loved every bit of it! :D |
MikskizO said: It's still funny though that many people got butthurt over a stupid comment xD It's more people pointing out the irony that you called the MC stupid when you were the one with a stupid understanding of the rules. Not paying attention to the rules is what got SHSL Fashion Girl slaughtered. (◕‿◕✿) |
KuroneDLC said: symbv said: AnimeFan500 said: Well, even without going to a secret person direction, the 16 seats can be explained. The trial court was built to accommodate the people when the first murder occurs, and if the girl did not get herself killed before the first killing happened, there would have been indeed 16 people to hold the trial.According to MonoKuma: The maximum members are 16? But he only got 15 people so why the extra seat during the class trial? Both Sayaka and Junko were "present"; there was a faceplate in the location where they would have been seated, had they lived. Whenever someone dies, their spot is replaced with that faceplate. There are 15 students in total, and the court was built for 16. There seriously isn't any deep meaning or secret to it. Maybe this isn't the first time this survival game has occurred and the max is 16 students whenever it happens, but with this one there's only 15. |
leeo268 said: That guy saying anime should be expect to be worst than the source material is bullshiting and is a insult to anime itself. Why people even make anime if it must be worst than the original? That's my way of watching animes, expect it going to be less than the original , that way I will always be satisfied when they actually make it better than my lowest expectation. No one is saying that they should make it worst than original. Stop twisting my words to your convenience. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And people by now should've known that unless there is a source citing what a user said all post in MAL are opinions. (I only posted the definition of adaptation, so all my posts are my opinions, I'm tired of having to post "IMO" all the time in MAL.) And because I'm Kaimax, my words are not bullshit. :D |
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kaimax said: That's my way of watching animes, expect it going to be less than the original , that way I will always be satisfied when they actually make it better than my lowest expectation. "Being a pessimist is great, either I'm right or I'm pleasantly surprised." -An optimistic view of pessimism |
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SandwichForLunch said: *well-thought-out opinions containing sound recommendations for the future* I find it funny how you see people trying to post professional and cool reviews about this anime only 3 episodes after it was released, and this beats them by a long shot. |
| great episode! loved the hole judging and discussing time. also the execution had me weak lol! |
| Like robots? Then watch getter robot :D |
| Enough of the heart-shaped heads. Meh. Touko <3 |
| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
June93 said: I want Celes to beat and insult me. |
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| I just realized Sakura Oogami is a girl, lol, didn't see it in her fighter appearance before ^^;; |
zeroryoko1974 said: I was waiting for someone to post this xD |
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| I wish Maizono had died a much more painful death. That bitch got Leon killed for nothing. |
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5layer said: I wish Maizono had died a much more painful death. That bitch got Leon killed for nothing. To be fair, he could have just ran away and locked himself in his room until morning. Then he could have told everyone about what she did once it was safe and they could have restrained her somehow. But he wasn't thinking rationally and neither was she due to the situation they were placed in. I agree with Naegi saying it's Monobear's fault. Plus, someone had to be the catalyst for all this. *shrugs* |
| rewatching Leons death uncensored put me through sooo much feels... |
| The trial was an interesting turn of events, Leon was fairly desperate once he ran out of defending points. Had to laugh when I saw the bear with a pot of honey, playing the sadistic Pooh. I'm sure Leon's execution hurt like hell, but for some reason it just didn't feel brutal, even after watching the uncensored version. This is probably my only gripe about this series so far - the murder game sounds vicious and brutal as hell but it feels too lighthearted to take seriously and feels like PG rated murder. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: I'm sure Leon's execution hurt like hell, but for some reason it just didn't feel brutal, even after watching the uncensored version. This is probably my only gripe about this series so far - the murder game sounds vicious and brutal as hell but it feels too lighthearted to take seriously and feels like PG rated murder. FWIW, here's the beta execution! |
| Fukawa Touko is really annoying. Wow, Leon totes broke. o_O I think Monobear should have shown how she died, I was surprised when it wasn't shown or explained in more detail. |
| 眠れないのは君のせい |
| Boring episode, just the end of Leon was really good. Maybe is not what I was waiting for, but I was trembling when he recived the punishment |
| aaw they censored the execution. tch |
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| Huh, that was interesting. Like the deducing. The only part that I didn't have any idea about was the glass ball. Seems like only a few people are gonna be useful in the trials though. Gonna be interesting to see how they get shut down if they ever do though. |
| Okay episode. The trial was special... not what I really expected. |
| From the beginning, and I thought that Leon killer. And the sentence is about and expected. But still delivers, such stress, the intensity of feelings, very good. |
| Wow, that trial was really something. And I loved the way it was executed. Kirigiri is slowly becoming my favorite char in the series. |
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| Oh Sakura, you take away the seriousness. Basically, Sayaka planned to kill Leon in order to frame Makoto. In the end, Makoto was proven innocent by Kyouko and her awesomeness. And some other people like Byakuya, Celestia, and Makoto himself. In the very end, Leon killed Sayaka for self-defense. And he received his punishment. And Sayaka thought about Makoto right before she died by writing Leon's name. I wonder who'll be the next victim. |
I’m always searching for something, for someone. This feeling has possessed me I think, from that day… That day when the stars came falling. |
| Well that Leon sure raged alot. Quite a brutal way to die. And why did that Super Duper Luckster get mad at the end? He was the one who proved Leon was the killer. The series is still interesting though :) |
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