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Short_Circut said: So Sakura dies by Bus-kun, Ai dies by Lightning-kun and now Lily dies by Facial Hair-kun Junko by Airplane-kun |
| After rewinding the episode at certain points to clarify some things: I got a better understanding of a scene that confused me. - when Lily was locked in the room she said to her dad "I don't want to look like you..." she was reallly saying that she'll literally lose her loli charm and become a hulking muscular beast like her dad. Seeing facial hair beginning, just confirmed her fear. |
| "Manga readers are annoying, all they do is complain or spoil the anime we discuss in an anime forum. They should really do their whining at manga forums. USERS ON MY IGNORED LIST: RayReynolds - SSL443 - Dr4kon - Nerdanimefan1992 - ToTheMountains - Fiveskies To add users to the Ignore list: (1) Go to Account settings (2) Click Forum tab and toggle down (3) Type or paste user name on entry box (4) Click Add and you're done. Problem solved, you'll never have to see someone trolling ever again because their post will be closed/collapsed. |
| The feels!! So beautiful song !! |
| I felt sad about what happened to Lily's dad. You lose your wife and then your child as you neglected some things they wanted to do and realized your mistake to late. I'm glad Lily was able to reach out to her father in the end but I would have liked it if there was some way for her to say that it really is her and not have her father freak out or at least be able to still spend time with her. This was a good episode. |
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| Hahha, aww. Sweet how Masao's dad accepted her as Lily :') I cracked up on the death, but the part where Papi was grieving and broke the TV was so sad :( it's a good thing he didn't kill himself to be with his wife and daughter. Sweet big guy <3 Episode ended real nice TTuTT Lily needs to work on her beginning lyrics tho fr LMAO |
| Okay... Can we all stop for a while and appreciate the fact we are slowly getting to know more stuff about all members, how they died and what kind of life they lived before? Also, this episode was really sad and emotional; I really didn't expect something deep from this anime so I'm surprised - in a good way of course. And...  Can we all give a supportive hug to this sweetie? She really deserves it! |
| really loved the episode! but i regret coming to this thread its full of people that come up with stupid standards for "proof" and are not willing to have a civilised debated when someone disagrees with them |
| Lily is not a Trap. If Lily a boy still identifies as a boy but likes to dress as girls it would be a crossdresser/trap. But Lily literally dies on seeing facial hair, which shows how against she is in having a a male body. She seemed happy to have died before her body changes. She is more like a Trans i think, though I can't speak for trans people but calling her trap feels wrong. |
| I am crying.Before watching the episode,I was wondering why this episode had 300 and something comments which is a lot for this anime.But now after seeing this episode,I really love Lily and her dad. :(.i think from now on every episode will be about someone's story. |
Come on man,where is that Noragami season 3 masterpiece.We want it, Bones! |
| When Koutarou wants to scream at you, he will scream at you, there is no correct answer Sakura. Need all of these and much more Junko  |
| just because I’ve gotten weaker, doesn’t mean that you got stronger, does it? |
| It's sad to read some people calling Lily a "trap". She's a trans girl. Stop saying that stupid slur. |
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| sad to see that most people commenting here are absolute idiots who are also sexualizing a child |
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| Lol @ everyone getting triggered by a fictional character. Lily being a boy is weird for me because of that damn voice. Twelve-year-old boys just don't sound like that. Three years old, sure but not twelve. If the seiyuu was tomboyish, like Romi Paku, it'd be less weird. Poor dad. :( living all by himself. It's sad how nobody will let their kids near him because he "looks scary." xD |
ChiibiOct 11, 2019 1:46 PM
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| Damn, this was so depressing yet entertaining at the same time. A 10/10 episode. |
| "Even if it has good reviews, if I don't like it then it is shit" -Some random anime character |
| I'm of the belief Hoshikawa Lily is not a trans. She has always been a girl i.e. was born a girl. Can anyone provide proof to me that Lily is not a biological girl? I'm probably just bad at looking, but all I see is conjecture, not ultimate proof that denies her being born a girl. |
When people tell me to stream anime on CR instead of downloading from fansub sites.  |
| Had Lily not died am sure that Lily and her dad would made compromise what they can do or not. Anyway I have a good for idea for an episode for season 2 of Zombieland Saga specially for those who like this episode. If anyone wants to hear me episode idea please let me know. |
LaytonPuzzle27Apr 5, 2020 9:58 PM
| An emotional episode... BUT I fucking laugh my ass off learning how Lily died and her(his) dad's size is freaking huge cannot help it either. ALSO poor me got TRAPPED oof that hurts. ALSO no cgi this episode, breathtakingly beautiful! |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
| great episode, I really liked the development. I was crying for Lily's dad |
 Kyoto Animation rocks |
| It was such a sweet episode ! Until then, I wasn't fond of the drama aspect of the show (I must admit I didn't really come for that), but here it was very well done. The story really touched me, father/child relationships always make me emotional for some reason. However, I am a bit confused regarding Lily. Don't get me wrong, I perfectly understand that she's trans (and congratulations to my language's sub for giving her male pronouns since the reveal even when the show doesn't), but I wonder if she is trans because she truly deep within sees herself as a girl or because her father turning her into an idol made her get used of that. The fact that she was dressed as a girl even before becoming an idol seems to imply that she always saw herself as a girl, but at the same time, the parallel between her being trans and her being an idol seems to imply the opposite. But well, not that it really matters, at the end she sees herself as a girl, as Lily, and that's who she is. Saki's reaction to it was so sweet. At first she obviously was mocking because that's Saki for you, but afterwards she's the most understanding. (Not that it surprises me, she's very compassionate despite her rude exterior.) Kotaro, too, even if it's very humorous, it's still nice to see that he doesn't at all care about who Lily used to be. I'd say there's one thing I didn't like in this ep : the song. It was sweet, like the rest, but there were way too many syllables, it consequently sounded very weird. |
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| Oookay, that was a plot twist I didn't see coming. Beautiful, emotional episode. I felt so sorry for Lily's father. |
teubert2 said: I'm of the belief Hoshikawa Lily is not a trans. She has always been a girl i.e. was born a girl. Can anyone provide proof to me that Lily is not a biological girl? I'm probably just bad at looking, but all I see is conjecture, not ultimate proof that denies her being born a girl. Do girls usually start to grow facial hair as they're entering puberty? The shock of her fiding a strand of facial hair was what finally triggered the break and her subsequent heart attack and death. |
lanadelslay said: teubert2 said: I'm of the belief Hoshikawa Lily is not a trans. She has always been a girl i.e. was born a girl. Can anyone provide proof to me that Lily is not a biological girl? I'm probably just bad at looking, but all I see is conjecture, not ultimate proof that denies her being born a girl. Do girls usually start to grow facial hair as they're entering puberty? The shock of her fiding a strand of facial hair was what finally triggered the break and her subsequent heart attack and death. Yes, they do grow facial hair. Not as much as men obviously, but the answer is yes. We don't know if they also do in that anime, but they do in real life at least. Even IF they didn't usually do so, there is a possibility Lily has some sort of disease or genetic "disorder" (doesn't need to be literally harmful, just make her grow facial hair directly or indirectly) that makes her grow facial hair. |
teubert2Aug 2, 2020 2:43 AM
| When people tell me to stream anime on CR instead of downloading from fansub sites. |
| Perhaps it is because of the absense of a father in my life for me dis episode made me cry |
| Really something going back in this thread and seeing all the lolicons trying to cope with Lily being transgender. |
| Okay, I know this was lowkey a parody on account of how Lily died (and having a dick, and all this other shit), but, like, this was actually sad as fuck. Lily is dead, but what the fuck does it mean to be dead? For all intents and purposes and every practical measure, she's alive, which means that, despite her death, she could reunite with her dad, but because she's actually an undead she can't...?? ???????? That's fucking sad, fam. It's sad for her and sad for her dad. That shit ain't fair. Her dad has the opportunity to reunite with his daughter (son? idk) and the most they can do is perform some cheesy song in ode to their relationship which, in fact, makes it even more tragic because it's essentially a commitment to the idea they'll never actually be reunited. This whole scenario is just a big feels bad. What's the point of being brought back to life if you have to deny your loved ones? :( |
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| YIKES at the transphobia in this thread. Lily is a trans girl, get over it. The word "trap" has a lot of sexual connotations with it and if you bear in mind she's *12*, I should be going on a reporting spree on this thread. |
| Slice of Life Anime about the everyday life of a German Philosopher: Nietzschijou. |
| probably my second time crying while watching anime, both times being from a family member dying also find it weird the thing a lot people got out of this episode wasn’t the fact a father lost their child, but the fact Lily is transgender which isn’t a big deal so I don’t see the reasoning for getting worked up about it |
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| I knew what the episode was about before I watched it (it was one of the reasons I started watching the show in the first place) yet it still made me cry, hits really hard. I also really loved the concert at the end. |
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| That was a great episode! Definitely lives up to its reputation of good trans representation. If only people in real life were as quick to accept trans people as Franchouchou. Her dad being an absolute mountain of a man is character design genius. The contrast between their appearances clearly defines the stakes of growing up and puts into perspective how much Lily fears it. Lily dying of shock upon seeing one of the first signs of puberty is a great demonstration of the existential terror some young transfolk go through. Her death illustrates why trans visibility, parental support, and access to hormone blockers are crucial to saving the lives of trans kids. I guess it would have been more realistic if her death was a suicide or homicide, but I'm glad the production team chose to keep it relatively lighthearted while still retaining a trans-specific cause of death. (I totally empathize with her dysphoria-induced death) |
MonsooziMar 23, 2021 1:50 PM
| Aaaaandd... there she goes, IT'S A TRAP!!! |
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| well that was a sad episode for some reason, for me atleast |
| Only you know what you've seen, heard and felt, someone else's opinion is irrelevant. -Kurenai, Deca Dence |
| Okay I love how fast the girls were to accept Lily being trans. We do be loving supportive friends. Also like it's so cute how the rest of the girls have been kind of treating Lily as a lil sister or as like a younger kid (bc she is) but it makes it feel like they're kinda a family which is cute Honestly Lily's story is really sad like having to hide being trans while being in the splot light and also having dysphoria from puberty setting in and also lowkey being neglected by her dad must have been really hard. At least she can be happy with her new friends/ family |
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| I got moved by this episode so much definetely one of the strongest episode,almost made me cry and made me realise that this first season trying to focus every main girl of the show. |
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| I felt so bad for Lily's Father. Made me emotional. |
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| Lily's backstory was so sad damn, but the way she died fucking killed me lmao, not the way it killed her though heh. But yeah, I think that was my favorite backstory so far and looks like we'll be getting Saki's backstory next episode, let's go. Kotaro, Imma need one of those Junko pictures. I wonder what kind of "legendary" death we'll get next. |
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| no cgi for that last performance, that's good I guess. Probably because there was minimal movement so they didn't have to resort to cgi this time. Dang it's so much less of an eyesore. Wish it could stay this way |
  NYANPASU  whiskey tango foxtrot |
| I don’t think Lily is truly transgender as much as possibly being born with both parts. That’s why she had the male name of Masao but was so petite, she took more after her mom than her dad. Lily was just her stage name. Even before she became a child star, she dressed in girl clothes. Her voice is also very high pitched, even for a little boy. Right before her death, she’s talking to her dad about going to a theme park and she has serious dark circles under her eyes. I think her death was more from exhaustion but seeing the hair on her face, which girls do get btw, is the straw that broke her. Maybe she thought, the more male parts of her were also going to start coming through? I don’t care either way, Lily is Lily. Just my two cents. I definitely cried at this episode. I wish she was able to keep in contact with him. 😭 Also, it’s weird that people are calling her a “trap”. She’s a kid! Anime or not, it’s creepy! |
| Nice chapter, leaving aside a little bit the death(which yes is a little bit random xd) it was a very nice chapter, and on top of that song was very touching, very good. now, next chapter ahhhhh!!!! <3 |
MY GOD LOOK AT THE SIZE OF HIM. Mans hitting every part of his body but forgot about head day at the gym. Seriously though, he is respectful towards Lily in the sense that given his size, he could have easily broken the door down, but he chose to politely but firmly knock on the door for her. Did she just... died from shock from her... FACIAL HAIR?!?!?!?! HUH??!?!!? So... Lily is... transgender??!?!?! The love that Lily's father had for her was quite heart-warming :"( |
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| Suddenly, there are ninjas cutting onions around me while watching that song. My kokoro cant take it, that hits hard |
it’s never too late for life ... to go horribly wrong. . . afff~  |
| Quite an emotional episode. That song was very beautiful and touching. Lily's pout face was cute. <3  |
SerafosMay 16, 7:01 AM
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| This song broke me man, especially the part where the father began to ugly cry |
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