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| tragic back story of Jeane Omg |
| Wow! What's not this anime series: It's not boring and not even discounted. I'm glad you focused on Jeanne's life, analyzing the past. The narration has been so intense and compelling, now I would like to know better the king's past, because some things do not come back to me. Great is the quality of backgrounds and drawings. I can not wait to see the next episode. |
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| I was quite the dark and violent backstory. I'm waiting now for Charioce's one. I'm hopeful we'll get some good reasons about his distrust towards gods and hate towards demons. It has probably something to do with the grave he visited, his mother's maybe. Not so often we see a cute child getting killed in anime :( (that could be one "reason" to begin with) |
| An interesting backstory and all, but it seriously feels like a delaying tactic being placed here immediately after what happened last week. Also, Nina was extremely irritating post-credits, so maybe it was for the best we didn't see too much of her this week. |
| Ah great episode. I like how this season takes its time to develop our characters. Jeane sure went through many hardships, I feel so bad for her. Also, How did Mugaro's hair turned black lol? |
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| Best episode of the anime yet. Very sad at the end feelsbadman |
| Deep dark fantasies |
| Great execution - it felt very painful to watch |
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| I was so interested about the prison break, but I got this backstory instead I don't even mad crierrytiem |
| Wait, so El/Mugaro is Jesus??? |
 shit!! he got me! that fucking Poly boomed me! he's so good! (x4) |
lol this kind of fruit (the mangosteen)  can't be grown in frozen land (as showed) And Jeane is raped by her beloved god and giving birth to El. Again the show loves to paint human to be pitch black as possible by showing how demons are treated while ignoring the fact that the demon have done much worse (and that is majority) while human mistreated demon is just minority. If anything this traitourous woman (Jeanne) are huge trouble to human evolution. She talk like she cares about humanity but in the end she is just want to depends on the gods. I don't like beautiful show (animation is stunning) like this being ruined by illogical and stupid cliches plot. Will this get better? 2/10 episode, I really like Cheerios, he truly wants to create a world for humanity, if only Jeanne is brighter and stop worshipping the gods, she herself would limited the harm being done to both side (human+gods), yet due to her hypocrisy nature and shallow personality she'd rather leave the Orleans knight (as if I'd take the bullshitting low-ranked soldiers seriously, there is many good man like Kaisar there and she completely ignore just like how the show ignore the abudant beautiful of humanity and focus on minority of the bad side) |
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| I blame that angel or whatever it is. |
| That's how you do a proper flashback episode. Very noice! |
| That was so emotional! DAMMIT! One of the only times when i'm happy with the flash back instead of bored |
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FrozenSheep said: From my understanding: 1) No one has ever escaped from that prison, so it makes sense to send her there. 2) Maybe they DID interrogate her over the course of those "7?" years she was in prison. 3) I think there's something important to note: Favaro and that lady were both humans. I haven't seen the king kill humans --- even if he did, he clearly respect human life more than demons. 4) In a previous episode, I believe that the King asked Jeanne D'Arc for her assistance. Maybe he's got other plans for her. I know it's easy to say "why didn't he just kill her!?"... from what was shown, the King is ruthless against demons (and angels, I would assume). He is much more forgiving against humans. He did say he would kill Kaisar if he stood in his way --- Kaisar stood in his way and the King did not kill him. His ruthlessness applies to demons. He seems "much softer" towards human. 1) That would make sense if no one ever leaves (not only escapes), still Jeanne was a leader, so it'd be better to hide her imprisonment and cut her interactions with people, including the guards. 2) Jeanne is very fine for that to be true. But their torture tactics are undevelopped. 3) That's quite interesting. I'd prefer it to be true, I mean - Charioce actually trying to be a good king for humans (even if failing in some ways), but then what was that senseless bullying with Favaro, why everyone is so afraid of him all the time? He also promises to kill people pretty often (even though it's unclear how he plans to kill, say, Kaisar immediately while being unarmed). The anime both emphasizes that he is unsafe to be around and doesn't support it. He doesn't start to kill hostages, for example, despite not giving a second thought about demon lives, we don't see any executions. But we know that the guy has gotten rid of at least three previous Charioces and conquered hell, normally he shouldn't have problems with killing after that. But yeah, he's strangely patient with knights betraying him. |
deadoptimistJun 10, 2017 8:23 AM
| jeanne had a hard life ;_; |
| Jesus man, that wing clipping scene...right after being sprayed with demon blood...then knowing you're gonna be a slave for who knows how long, and that you're prolly never see your mother again...AAAAAAAAAAAAA! Being El/Mugaro is suffering, same for Jeanne. Also, so a demon crushed a little human girl and that human collosus construction crushed the sexy demon waifu ~ so my question is...did they not show her being crushed cuz she wasn't legal? ( I'll just show myself out now...) |
| That was some tragic story. Almost made me cry. :( So Jeanne d'Arc is virgin Mary. Guess that makes El/Mugaro Jesus then. I was looking forward to that prison breaks. Oh well. |
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 Fabulous. ............ |
| That was a great flashback for Jeanne d'Arc and Mugaro. We can probably connect the dots now. The only thing that needs to be discussed is Charioce and his past. |
| They said it would get darker starting episode 7, and boy they weren't wrong :( |
xxxSakura said: Not sure if you still recall, Charioce wanted to gain popularity with the citizens still worshipping the gods, which was the ultimatum he gave her prior to evicting her from the castle. In the first episode she appeared in Virgin Soul, he was seen visiting her in that prison, so he probably still hasn't given up on that? Judging from that episode, I also feel like he thinks she has dibs on the whereabouts of Mugaro/El. To hope for it for 7 years after she chose banishment over it and in one sentence with promising to kill her child and her later? It can hardly work too, since it's not like she will look like a honest supporter at this point. ...but then the king is shown to have problems with socializing, so maybe. (How does he even lead his troops or recruit followers without being able to offer plausible explanations for his actions?..) Still normally in historical novels and such most important prisoners are sepearated from the rest and held captive secretly - like, if she is needed for info, than maybe her contribution to mining isn't so important. And in the show we see Jeanne inspiring Nina to act, so it's clear than leaving a former saint and knights captain in contact with the rest of prisoners can backfire. |
| This flashback episode was so intense, especially at the end! I was very surprised at the moment jeanne gave birth kinda made me laugh... like was that really hapenning?? And now I guess there's only Charioce's backstory left to tell Hopefully prison break next week!! |
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By the way, does the king also hate buttons? Because - look, just... what the hell? I am pretty sure that's not how you wear a cravat. And he's always like this, can't button up for shit, even for his own coronation. It's the same during the parade apparently, even though not so visible. To be frank his design is lacking, despite hotness, and it's messed up on-screen way too often. Every other character has some sort of an easily recognisable dork feature (usually hair) except for him. Or maybe the button problem is his? |
| Wow! Now that is how you make a backstory so impactful. It's all coming together now |
  "𝚃𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝚝𝚘 𝚖𝚒𝚡 𝚍𝚛𝚒𝚗𝚔𝚜 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚌𝚑𝚊𝚗𝚐𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚜." ☆ 𝙰𝚗𝚒𝚖𝚎 𝙻𝚒𝚜𝚝 ☆ ☆ 𝚅𝙽𝙳𝚋 ☆ ☆ 𝙱𝚊𝚌𝚔𝚕𝚘𝚐𝚐𝚎𝚛𝚢 ☆ |
Gosh, this was easily the darkest and the most heart-breaking episode in this series T^T El was just the sweetest and the most innoncent cutie ever! One thing I didn't get, why did his hair turn dark forever after he got splashed with demon's blood? Is it that he got defiled by it and wasn't 100% pure good or something? Anyway after this episode it seems clear that Charioce IS a total bad guy of this series, can't ship him with Nina anymore </3 I mean, I really can't see how they could improve his image now... |
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| No wonder Mugaro doesnt talk anymore. Dang. This was heavy. |
deadoptimist said: (How does he even lead his troops or recruit followers without being able to offer plausible explanations for his actions?..) He's a despot. No despot in history ever offered reasons or rationale for their actions and demands other than "because I said so". |
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kyoudai said: deadoptimist said: (How does he even lead his troops or recruit followers without being able to offer plausible explanations for his actions?..) He's a despot. No despot in history ever offered reasons or rationale for their actions and demands other than "because I said so". I am not sure what exactly you mean under despot - an absolute ruler, a cruel ruler or an illogically wilful ruler, but he is supposed to be highly effective (abolished crime, rebuilt the capital, won wars), and it's impossible in his situation without followers. You can't win wars with a demoralized army that doesn't support your cause and you should be able to delegate stuff to trusted people to succeed with projects. Also as far as I understand, most well-known achiever tyrants were highly charismatic, that's a necessary trait for them, especially for those who got their power by themselves, like Charioce. Maybe they tried to picture it, but it doesn't work. Why is the crowd shouting after his words? His speech was, well, non-existent. I suppose that despots, unless we talk specifically about weird-acting absolute rulers, who tend to be killed in the end, also have their own logic and vision and create explanations like everyone else. But what this series fails miserably at is showing court and palace life, even though many anime and manga series manage to picture them in a fun way. And the political aspect is weak. Like, we know that the king is the 17-th of his name, 10 years ago, during the previous season, his father, the 13th ruled. It's pretty strange, even if all kings are called the same, it would mean that the current one got rid of at least 3 crowned kings and brothers (not candidates! crowned kings, to whom the knights pledged allegiance). At that point coronations should've become hysterical. Kaisar and Jeanne should be seriously concerned not about gods or only about gods being disrespected, but about going through kings as fast as through a box of matches. That's political instability. |
deadoptimistJun 10, 2017 2:32 PM
| WOW THOSE KNIGHTS IN THE FLASHBACK SUCK. I mean, what the heck. And we got to learn how angels are born... I guess... But most importantly, we learned what happened to Jeanne after the events of the first season and boy, did that suck. Was not happy, until the end when they were talking about escaping with the guard sitting right there. |
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| Also I think that Mugaro will reign in the end, he has love and respect of the three races: a human mother, a god father and strong ties with demons. He'll regain his hair color and become a better version of a golden king. (Yeah, I really don't have anything better to do than to post stuff here at the moment.) |
| I'm really surprised that viewers seem to like season two more than season one. I personally enjoyed season 1 way better, I liked the main characters a lot. Regardless, this season is still great! So glad we're getting 24 episodes. Jeanne and El are just so cute together! |
LunarPisces1Jun 10, 2017 5:32 PM
| Well that was sad but awesome nonetheless... Still don't get how there are people that watched 10 episodes of this and disliked or hated this episode. |
| No nina. Flashback about jeanne D'arc (?) 1/5 |
| Probably the best episode so far. It did a great job showing what happened to Jeanne and how she ended up in the prison. |
deadoptimist said: I am not sure what exactly you mean under despot - an absolute ruler, a cruel ruler or an illogically wilful ruler, but he is supposed to be highly effective (abolished crime, rebuilt the capital, won wars), and it's impossible in his situation without followers. You can't win wars with a demoralized army that doesn't support your cause and you should be able to delegate stuff to trusted people to succeed with projects. Also as far as I understand, most well-known achiever tyrants were highly charismatic, that's a necessary trait for them, especially for those who got their power by themselves, like Charioce. True enough. Perhaps I should've called him a charismatic dictator. Charismatic, but not especially likable. That sounds self-contradictory, but I think it's possible. He's egotistical, willful (probably not illogically), and ill-tempered, but as you said, he's effective at his job. He's got a bad personality, but he knows how to convince others to follow him. Perhaps the political turmoil you mentioned has left the citizenry jaded and skeptical of the monarchy, and at first they may have cautiously followed him to see how things played out. But after conquering Cocytus and triumphing over the demons, both knights and commoners would go anywhere and do anything at his command. |
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| Lots of info. Things are starting to get amped. Prison break time! |
kyoudai said: True enough. Perhaps I should've called him a charismatic dictator. Charismatic, but not especially likable. That sounds self-contradictory, but I think it's possible. He's egotistical, willful (probably not illogically), and ill-tempered, but as you said, he's effective at his job. He's got a bad personality, but he knows how to convince others to follow him. Perhaps the political turmoil you mentioned has left the citizenry jaded and skeptical of the monarchy, and at first they may have cautiously followed him to see how things played out. But after conquering Cocytus and triumphing over the demons, both knights and commoners would go anywhere and do anything at his command. That's how it should be according to backstory, but I just don't see him emanating any charisma on-screen. He doesn't know what to say to Kaisar and to Jeanne except for "I promise" - there's zero effort on his part to sound convincing, he doesn't even emote. No grand gestures, no speeches. And, what's the strangest of it all, we always see him alone, he doesn't have a right hand man - he isn't friendly even with the black soldiers leader. How does Charioce even get anything done like this? Surely there should be someone who at least want to capitalize on proximity to the king and is willing to play pals? And Charioce is just so passive in most scenes. Are they afraid to animate him because he becomes less regal? He just stands in the middle of things. I think that a doer person should look more dynamic. It's high time for him to show what has gotten him through hell and back. Being likeable doesn't necessary translate into being a good ruler and vice versa. Though it's unclear how much of a repressive regime he has built for humans. Nina and Kaisar getting imprisoned are not very representative, they took part into an assassination attempt on a king after all. Not sure about ill-tempered though. He is chill almost all the time, even when people run around his quarters or tell him about their discontent with his ideals. If he was nothing 10 years ago and was crowned as 17th 7 years ago, at least 3 kings were crowned and dethroned in 3 years. That's fast and turbulent. |
| As usual I live for the episode previews |
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| Not only did Mugaro come of virgin birth like Jesus, but his true name El literally means God (that's why most important angels' names end in "el"). |
| This episode made Charioce irredeemable for me. I don't give a fuck what reasons he has to hate gods or demons, he deserves to die a billion times over in the worst ways imaginable. |
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| this backstory was just amazingg St. Jeanne oh my goddess baby i wouldve had to follow you out the castle give up my title and everything my one and only , also damn how el was born didnt expect him to turn like 8 in the matter of like 10 seconds lol i wanted to see a cute baby el and watch him grow but its cool this eps made me feel for Jeanne even more been missing my boo for mad long |
| nice, A jeanne flashback! It was way more tragic then I expected. Also this confirms she is Els mother (It was pretty obvious since he first appeared imo) so I can put her on my "favorite anime Mothers list" neat! |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| Really liked the development this episode gave to Jean and El. That scene where she is reading to cut his wings off, was terrific. Is El, Michael incarnation or something?? |
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