| Ikuhara likes to use a fuck ton of symbolism in his work. The most random thing can be symbolic as fuck, but you won't know that until it's revealed. |
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| I still haven't grasped that judgement scene. Guess it'll get fully revealed later on. |
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| Yuri Kuma makes me really want to watch Penguindrum and Utena since I feel like Yuri Kuma is going to fall a little flat due to time constraints. |
LAOG said: When in doubt assume 2deep4u: The directorIkuhara likes to use a fuck ton of symbolism in his work. The most random thing can be symbolic as fuck, but you won't know that until it's revealed. |
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| y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh |
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| Yuri Kuma would be better if it took itself more seriously rather than as a parody manner. |
silverwalls said: I hope Toei dies in a fire.y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh |
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Paulo27 said: silverwalls said: I hope Toei dies in a fire.y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh no u |
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Paulo27 said: LAOG said: When in doubt assume 2deep4u: The directorIkuhara likes to use a fuck ton of symbolism in his work. The most random thing can be symbolic as fuck, but you won't know that until it's revealed. It's not 2deep4u doe m8 You just have to use your brain a little more than in your average show. |
silverwalls said: Sailor Moon is 3deep5me.y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh |
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silverwalls said: y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh i would but its over 50 episodes long lol |
KokkoStar said: That's literally what 2deep4u means.Paulo27 said: When in doubt assume 2deep4u: The director It's not 2deep4u doe m8 You just have to use your brain a little more than in your average show. |
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mayukachan said: silverwalls said: y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh i would but its over 50 episodes long lol the first season has 46 episodes checkmate |
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silverwalls said: mayukachan said: i would but its over 50 episodes long lol the first season has 46 episodes checkmate does it end at a good spot? |
silverwalls said: y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh I watched it on YTV that counts right? |
Paulo27 said: KokkoStar said: That's literally what 2deep4u means.It's not 2deep4u doe m8 You just have to use your brain a little more than in your average show. 2deep4u is EVA religious symbolism |
mayukachan said: silverwalls said: the first season has 46 episodes checkmate does it end at a good spot? yes |
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| Hm, hearing such praise, then maybe i'll pick it up after this season, if the rating goes up. Would be best to marathon it, and i don't have time in my agenda right now. |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
fst said: silverwalls said: y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh I watched it on YTV that counts right? if you have to ask it probably doesn't. |
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| Is there any reason anyone should watch Sailor Moon? |
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| Symbolism is the worst. Penguindrum last episodes were awful. |
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| This year has a fair share of mahou shoujos, Houkago no Pleiades, Nanoha S4 and movie, Fate/kaleid S3, Symphogear S3 and there better be Yuuki Yuuna S2 or someone is getting an angry email. |
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fst said: silverwalls said: y'all praise ikuhara and won't even watch sailor moon smh I watched it on YTV that counts right? WHAT i dont remember it being on YTV! silverwalls said: mayukachan said: does it end at a good spot? yes thanks. ill check it out sooner then! |
PriestSlayer said: Hm, hearing such praise, then maybe i'll pick it up after this season, if the rating goes up. Would be best to marathon it, and i don't have time in my agenda right now. You better listen to us and not look in the rating, rated by some plebs. And yeah, it's best to wait till it finishes and then marathon. |
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LAOG said: Is there any reason anyone should watch Sailor Moon? it's fun, inspring, pretty and the characters are great also >usagi is a complex character (more like a josei character) |
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tsudecimo said: Symbolism is the worst. Penguindrum last episodes were awful. Ever read a good book? |
| I'm pretty sure I watched all of the Sailor Moon but it was sooooooooooo long ago that I cannot put it in my list. :/ |
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Paulo27 said: This year has a fair share of mahou shoujos, Houkago no Pleiades, Nanoha S4 and movie, Fate/kaleid S3, Symphogear S3 and there better be Yuuki Yuuna S2 or someone is getting an angry email. the only one i'm excited for is houkago no pleiades, i liked the ONA's concept but it was way too short, so i hope the TV series will improve on that. i will watch nanoha s4 and prillya 2wei herz for completion too though. i still need to start symphogear, probably after finishing hacha precure. :> |
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silverwalls said: LAOG said: Is there any reason anyone should watch Sailor Moon? it's fun, inspring, pretty and the characters are great also >usagi is a complex character (more like a josei character) and she stands in a morally grey area, unlike other dumb shoujo girls. KokkoStar said: tsudecimo said: Symbolism is the worst. Penguindrum last episodes were awful. Ever read a good book? Not yet. But where are you going with this? |
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| Tokyo ghoul has some pretty d33p symbolism. |
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| Poorly executed symbolism is bad because it can just jumble up everything it was getting at and become incomprehensible but well executed symbolism is always appreciated as it adds more layers and makes rewatching/rereading more rewarding. |
silverwalls said: I like how our tastes are like complete opposite of each other, Pleiades seems like the weaker series to me.Paulo27 said: This year has a fair share of mahou shoujos, Houkago no Pleiades, Nanoha S4 and movie, Fate/kaleid S3, Symphogear S3 and there better be Yuuki Yuuna S2 or someone is getting an angry email. the only one i'm excited for is houkago no pleiades, i liked the ONA's concept but it was way too short, so i hope the TV series will improve on that. i will watch nanoha s4 and prillya 2wei herz for completion too though. i still need to start symphogear, probably after finishing hacha precure. :> |
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Feaor said: +1Poorly executed symbolism is bad because it can just jumble up everything it was getting at and become incomprehensible but well executed symbolism is always appreciated as it adds more layers and makes rewatching/rereading more rewarding. |
silverwalls said: But toei is garbage at animating. The struggle.LAOG said: Is there any reason anyone should watch Sailor Moon? it's fun, inspring, pretty and the characters are great also >usagi is a complex character (more like a josei character) |
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tsudecimo said: silverwalls said: it's fun, inspring, pretty and the characters are great also >usagi is a complex character (more like a josei character) and she stands in a morally grey area, unlike other dumb shoujo girls. KokkoStar said: Ever read a good book? Not yet. But where are you going with this? They usually have a lot of symbolism. |
mayukachan said: thanks. ill check it out sooner then! yaaaaaay! :D |
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| What the actual fuck man, it's not even because it's there, it fucked up the whole page. |
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Feaor said: Poorly executed symbolism is bad because it can just jumble up everything it was getting at and become incomprehensible but well executed symbolism is always appreciated as it adds more layers and makes rewatching/rereading more rewarding. But what does it add for the plot? When it's central part of a series? I'm fine with light symbolism, and happen to have some favorite ones in Naruto or mild ones in Monogatari, but Ikharu shows are so filled with them it's suffocating. It also creates a barrier for those who don't have the relevant information to understand these symbolisms, because it's not about being smart to understand, it's about the knowledge you posses most often than not. |
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KokkoStar said: Cross Ange is the Eva of our generation, but better, Ange actually gets in the fucking robot.Sunrise is God. |
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Paulo27 said: KokkoStar said: Cross Ange is the Eva of our generation, but better, Ange actually gets in the fucking robot.Sunrise is God. Judging a studio by it's worst is really, really stupid. I've also heard Cross Ange gets better. |
Zergneedsfood said: Symbolism is overrated as fuck. Best taste as always :3 |
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tsudecimo said: But part of symbolism is that its open to the interpretation of viewer/reader, you don't need any specific knowledge to understand it because it is what you make of it.Feaor said: Poorly executed symbolism is bad because it can just jumble up everything it was getting at and become incomprehensible but well executed symbolism is always appreciated as it adds more layers and makes rewatching/rereading more rewarding. But what does it add for the plot? When it's central part of a series? I'm fine with light symbolism, and happen to have some favorite ones in Naruto or mild ones in Monogatari, but Ikharu shows are so filled with them it's suffocating. It also creates a barrier for those who don't have the relevant information to understand these symbolisms, because it's not about being smart to understand, it's about the knowledge you posses most often than not. |
KokkoStar said: Depends what you consider better really, blowjobs are good, I guess, so it kinda gets better.Paulo27 said: Cross Ange is the Eva of our generation, but better, Ange actually gets in the fucking robot. Judging a studio by it's worst is really, really stupid. I've also heard Cross Ange gets better. |
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| In my opinion symbolism is fine as long as the core story is understandable even without understanding any of the symbolism. As long as it stays at that level, it only adds to the experience. If you have to get the symbolism to understand the plot, that's when I feel it becomes too much of a gimmick. Symbolism doesn't replace more 'linear' storytelling, it adds to it. |
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Feaor said: tsudecimo said: But part of symbolism is that its open to the interpretation of viewer/reader, you don't need any specific knowledge to understand it because it is what you make of it.But what does it add for the plot? When it's central part of a series? I'm fine with light symbolism, and happen to have some favorite ones in Naruto or mild ones in Monogatari, but Ikharu shows are so filled with them it's suffocating. It also creates a barrier for those who don't have the relevant information to understand these symbolisms, because it's not about being smart to understand, it's about the knowledge you posses most often than not. Well the type I'm talking about is mostly not like that (though the free interpretation part also annoying because you don't know what the director/writer really intended so the deepness you interpret is false and is brought by chance) Example of what I mean with information, that yuri bear show has a lot of symbolism about yuri, purity, virginity and whatnot, which is symbloized in the lilly flower or something. Some symbolism is also based on certain cultures, like the meaning of names in Japanese to give a small example. Also the biblical symbolism in Death Note, since I'm not Christian I had no idea it was that. |
tsudecimoFeb 2, 2015 12:51 PM
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cupc said: In my opinion symbolism is fine as long as the core story is understandable even without understanding any of the symbolism. As long as it stays at that level, it only adds to the experience. If you have to get the symbolism to understand the plot, that's when I feel it becomes too much of a gimmick. Symbolism doesn't replace more 'linear' storytelling, it adds to it. Exactly. And my main problem with Penguindrum towards the ends of it. |
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Zergneedsfood said: The thing that most people don't understand is that symbolism is, very often, not intentionally thought up by the author and instead is unconsciously created as a byproduct of the story, main idea, theme, whatever that the author has in mind. Which is why I am, more often than not, very skeptical of shows that are based purely off of "symbolism," especially if people tout that a director/author is a "master of symbolism" or that he/she is so good with "symbolism." People get so caught up in symbolism when....I really don't think it's that impressive. Ray Bradbury had a good quote for this topic. When he asked if he intentionally put symbolism in his works: "“No, I never consciously place symbolism in my writing. That would be a self-conscious exercise and self-consciousness is defeating to any creative act. Better to let the subconscious do the work for you, and get out of the way. The best symbolism is always unsuspected and natural."" But does symbolism have to be intentionally thought up? I'd argue that it has served its purpose if it creates discussion and different interpretations, no matter was it intended or not. |
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Zergneedsfood said: cupc said: That's my point. It doesn't have to be intentionally thought up, and I, to a point, would almost prefer that it isn't intentional.But does symbolism have to be intentionally thought up? I'd argue that it has served its purpose if it rises discussion and different interpretations, no matter was it intended or not. But, as I stated above, it's great if it arouses discussion, but my big problem is that symbolism is probably the easiest area where people completely stretch their interpretative imagination beyond the boundaries of the story. Why is that a problem to you? I think it's interesting to read far-fetched interpretations, even if I don't believe them myself. |
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KokkoStar said: see while they have produced so much good i cannot find it in me to praise sunrise at all, cause for all their good they are one of the biggest assholes when it comes to fucking with their talent's visions in the dumbest ways, its almost to the point where you wonder how much better alot of their stuff would had been if they hadnt been the producers, like G-gundam was great as is but had they not meddled so much to the point where the director was in outright war with the execs and had to add shit he didnt want like that tedious as fuck tournament arc midway through it could had been stellar.Sunrise is God. So yeah thanks for the shows sunrise, but please stop being such utter dicks |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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