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| I really wanted to hate this after finishing it, with all the pain it put me through. But that's not possible anymore. This ending was too good. I'm so glad they at least didn't screw the ending up. It was perfect. |
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| Ugh. Worst season by far. Just...ugh. The kiss made me give it a 3 instead of a 2 though. |
| Wow cant believe this is the end to be fair, the first season was amazing and although season 2 was a let down in comparison due to first 14 episodes, I think this final season really recovered some of that mojo that was lost, this episode was simply stunning in every aspect, visuals, sound and the dialogue between Shana and Yuji at the end was heartwarming. 9/10 for this one, good job JC Staff on producing success after all the recent bullshit you have spewed out. |
| What a perfect ending. I was afraid Yuji would leave alone. Justus is something like I thought he would be. Yoshida was better this season but I'm still happy she was left alone >:) The fight scene was really cool, and I'm happy Sydonay finally died. Rammie was pretty nice, though without a real back story I'm not really sure what his point was. The moment Shana shouted Urusaix3 and the first opening started I was filled with joy, it was a nice symbolic fight they had there. And the best thing of course was when they were flying in the sky together and confessed to each other. Topping that with the long-awaited romantic kiss was the best way to send SnS off. They looked so cute :) Just like I said in an other episode's discussion I didn't find this season bad, in fact I think it was way better than the other two. It didn't have the love-triangle/square bs. The reasons to fight actually made sense when you think about them, and it wasn't the usual "bad guys=dead, good guys=happy" ending. Everyone was satisfied in the end. And even the bad guys weren't all that bad. However, even after all this, I can't give it more than an 8/10. It still had its bad moments and like some people said they wanted to bring in too much new characters without developing each and every one of them. Though I'm sure it was better in the novels. With two 7s and an 8 the whole show was of course worth watching. Might rewatch in the future but skipping the boring as hell Yoshida and Konoe episodes. This was a nice little story in the end :) |
RazielZeroJul 5, 2013 2:45 AM
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Dendritic said: Just finished zero no tsukaima f and i got to say that it was definitely more satisfying that sns. I enjoyed it throughout while i fell asleep with sns Because it didn't have bouncing boobs. *rolleyes* |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Great anime!! Superb final!! That's what I expect from SnS!! Pretty sad since its the last episode... Thought it will forever be there for me... And ever.. And ever... |
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| I never imagine before this season that I would so totally be rooting for the Tomogara to win. I absolutely hated "Four Gods" esp that crying bitch, utter god damn villains. Overall I loved the ending(along with the last ED) more than the entire third season. I am glad Seirei no Hebi won, Yuji and Shana got together and all is well. 8/10 PS. Yoshida lost ): I can't wait to see the next Shana-tan series. Hopefully she comes with her dog. Maybe Index-tan will show up as well. |
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CoronaBlind said: Guiden said: If anyone can help, I have a few questions. I've read through the thread already, I'm also confused why flame haze went to the new world...this "law" of not eating humans didn't seem like something on a piece of paper that they could just not adhere to, it seemed like it makes the act of eating humans somehow impossible...so either they went there to find a new life and to just chill, or I'm wrong about the law? Plus, couldn't either side hold a grudge and kill the other anyway? That really confused me too. That law they put in to not eat humans in the new world seemed pointless. The 3 gods of earth kept killing hundreds of tomogura for the sake that future generations of tomogura would look back at it and see eating humans as taboo. From the subs it seemed like the 3 gods went to the new world to fight not live a peaceful life. A question. What was the whole importance of their not being a Misaki city in the new world? Also just to say out loud, even if he brought Hirai Yukari back won't she still disappear eventually? To answer your last two questions: Misaki City is of great personal importance to Yuji, since that's where he grew up his entire life and made all his friends. The reason why he fought Shana was because he wanted to go to the new world alone, the world without that special place for him, to atone for his sins. Secondly, he restored all the humans eaten by Tomogara in the past and used the new spell given him by Rammie to restore the Torches back to a human state (he, too, was restored back to an actual existence, rather than just a Torch). Therefore, Yukari is no longer a Torch, but a human. She won't disappear until she dies. |
| 'I met many people. We were separated. And then reunited. This tune contains all those feelings.' - Nanaka Yatsushiro, Myself;Yourself, Episode 13  |
| Interesting to note, in Shakugan no Shana the concept of dying is not really "death" per-se. Instead your "existence" slowly vanishes as memories of you start to dissapear. People who make important contributions (hence they are more vividly remember and written in books, etc) amass larger quantities of "existence". It's a rather, interesting concept, rather than the usual "soul goes to afterlife" and it adds this little gloom in it since everyone, no matter how strong or important, will die and the memories and marks he has left behind will also "die" in time. So, in the end, there's finality. In SnS there's no afterworld, no forever and ever. Anyway, another thing to clarify, he couldn't have added Misaki City to the new world even if he wanted to. He made a perfect copy of the world, and when the copy was made Misaki city was, in fact, non-existant. Yuuji restored the town AFTER he created Xanadu and it was impossible for him to restore it before, hence there's only one Misaki City.. |
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Leon-Gun said: Interesting to note, in Shakugan no Shana the concept of dying is not really "death" per-se. Instead your "existence" slowly vanishes as memories of you start to dissapear. People who make important contributions (hence they are more vividly remember and written in books, etc) amass larger quantities of "existence". It's a rather, interesting concept, rather than the usual "soul goes to afterlife" and it adds this little gloom in it since everyone, no matter how strong or important, will die and the memories and marks he has left behind will also "die" in time. So, in the end, there's finality. In SnS there's no afterworld, no forever and ever. Anyway, another thing to clarify, he couldn't have added Misaki City to the new world even if he wanted to. He made a perfect copy of the world, and when the copy was made Misaki city was, in fact, non-existant. Yuuji restored the town AFTER he created Xanadu and it was impossible for him to restore it before, hence there's only one Misaki City.. Your first statement is not entirely true...the concept of 'true death' does exist, as Sydonay discovers. Supposedly all the Flame Haze and Tomogara who die throughout the series all fall under this category, since their Power of Existence isn't consumed. Those who are replaced by Torches, however, disappear entirely from existence. They don't exist in life; and they don't exist in death. Their only means of existence is as part of whoever consumed their Power of Existence. Lamia somehow managed to create a spell to reverse the latter state, though the former (true death) cannot be undone (with the exception of Hecate). |
| 'I met many people. We were separated. And then reunited. This tune contains all those feelings.' - Nanaka Yatsushiro, Myself;Yourself, Episode 13 |
Genomax said: If you read completely I mean the concept of death as we know it. They don't just "die". Their existence dies as well, and depending on the power of existence they posesses (which is something that increases or decreases with time) it's how long they will be remembered. In the SnS world, people forget the dead, quite literally.Leon-Gun said: Interesting to note, in Shakugan no Shana the concept of dying is not really "death" per-se. Instead your "existence" slowly vanishes as memories of you start to dissapear. People who make important contributions (hence they are more vividly remember and written in books, etc) amass larger quantities of "existence". It's a rather, interesting concept, rather than the usual "soul goes to afterlife" and it adds this little gloom in it since everyone, no matter how strong or important, will die and the memories and marks he has left behind will also "die" in time. So, in the end, there's finality. In SnS there's no afterworld, no forever and ever. Anyway, another thing to clarify, he couldn't have added Misaki City to the new world even if he wanted to. He made a perfect copy of the world, and when the copy was made Misaki city was, in fact, non-existant. Yuuji restored the town AFTER he created Xanadu and it was impossible for him to restore it before, hence there's only one Misaki City.. Your first statement is not entirely true...the concept of 'true death' does exist, as Sydonay discovers. Supposedly all the Flame Haze and Tomogara who die throughout the series all fall under this category, since their Power of Existence isn't consumed. Those who are replaced by Torches, however, disappear entirely from existence. They don't exist in life; and they don't exist in death. Their only means of existence is as part of whoever consumed their Power of Existence. Lamia somehow managed to create a spell to reverse the latter state, though the former (true death) cannot be undone (with the exception of Hecate). My whole point wasn't that people didn't die. In fact I said the opposite. The usual concept in stories is that souls go to an afterlife. But Shakugan no Shana instead creates a universe where death is so cruel that you're even forgotten after your leftover existence vanishes from the world. It's rather sad that through most of the anime-side of the series it focuses more on love triangles and slice of life than in any of the heavy handed details the novels actually included. |
Leon-GunApr 19, 2012 2:11 PM
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I think the reiji maigo will still restore his energy every day, and so he will not age... Reiji maigo restores power of existence. And being a human he does not use up all that power since he's not doing any of that supershit (flying, fireballs and other powers) thus reiji maigo won't restore what isn't there to be restored. That said, he will age and eventually die leaving shana alone - thanks Spiral, that's very nice of you. My rating dropped by 1 after I saw that ending. You are welcome to prove me wrong on what I stated above (I'd actually like to hear some other explanation as to why, being a human, he would not normally die like a regular human would). edit: I just found this "Which is the most accurate thing they can translate it to. He's not a human, he's was just given an actual existence. If anything, he's more like a Crimsom Denizen now." Which pretty much explains it all. So instead of thanking Spiral I'm gonna thank the translators ^^ Anyway my rating still holds. I was kinda expecting some important characters to die but we pretty much got a holywood happyend (and I hate those). |
WerchielApr 20, 2012 3:48 PM
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Werchiel said: Exactly what you just said in the edit. He's not a human, he's a new existence. Hirai Yukari was reconstructed into a human, Yuuji was transformed into something else. If anything you can compare him to a Tomogara and this may be due not just to the Unrestricted Spell Spiral Organ created but also to the fact he was bound to Serpent of the Festival for a long time. In fact, the Novel's end goes one step further and mentions that the God of Creation still has a connection with Yuuji and can not just see what Yuuji sees but he also still helps him from afar. In other words he's still pretty much a "Flame Haze" like entity due to the fact The Serpent and Yuuji became forever connected even after they were separated.I think the reiji maigo will still restore his energy every day, and so he will not age... Reiji maigo restores power of existence. And being a human he does not use up all that power since he's not doing any of that supershit (flying, fireballs and other powers) thus reiji maigo won't restore what isn't there to be restored. That said, he will age and eventually die leaving shana alone - thanks Spiral, that's very nice of you. My rating dropped by 1 after I saw that ending. You are welcome to prove me wrong on what I stated above (I'd actually like to hear some other explanation as to why, being a human, he would not normally die like a regular human would). edit: I just found this "Which is the most accurate thing they can translate it to. He's not a human, he's was just given an actual existence. If anything, he's more like a Crimsom Denizen now." Which pretty much explains it all. So instead of thanking Spiral I'm gonna thank the translators ^^ Anyway my rating still holds. I was kinda expecting some important characters to die but we pretty much got a holywood happyend (and I hate those). The anime messed this up a little though by changing Yuuji's flame in the last battle back to his original color. In the novel his flame should have remained black. |
Leon-GunApr 20, 2012 4:50 PM
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ichigo03 said: This final season made little sense!!! Well at least to me! Yuuji joins the "Bad guys" to create a new world where they could live in peace, the flame hazes object to this, then we have 20 episodes of war... Many people die, and at the very end, both sides agree to the new world with the rule that they put in place??? OK... Yuuji's main reason for doing ALL of this was to be able to live with Shana in peace, OK... But was it really necessary to do all of this? Like Shana said "You could've just asked".....Facepalm!!! This final season was just so damn convoluted, it really was....I'll be very surprised if half the people that watched this anime really understood it. Anyways, I don't think it was bad, but it definitely wasn't great.....7/10 Overall, I'm happy Shana and Yuuji get to live together and they both expressed their love, it's a "Happy ending" I guess, but the way we got here seems so damn unnecessary and too long. I'm actually a bit disappointed by this final season, but overall I loved the Shana Series, and I will miss it. This. |
Go10 said: ichigo03 said: This final season made little sense!!! Well at least to me! Yuuji joins the "Bad guys" to create a new world where they could live in peace, the flame hazes object to this, then we have 20 episodes of war... Many people die, and at the very end, both sides agree to the new world with the rule that they put in place??? OK... Yuuji's main reason for doing ALL of this was to be able to live with Shana in peace, OK... But was it really necessary to do all of this? Like Shana said "You could've just asked".....Facepalm!!! This final season was just so damn convoluted, it really was....I'll be very surprised if half the people that watched this anime really understood it. Anyways, I don't think it was bad, but it definitely wasn't great.....7/10 Overall, I'm happy Shana and Yuuji get to live together and they both expressed their love, it's a "Happy ending" I guess, but the way we got here seems so damn unnecessary and too long. I'm actually a bit disappointed by this final season, but overall I loved the Shana Series, and I will miss it. This. Couldn't have said it better myself. Did you guys know that another book of this glorious crap is on its way? I believe it is awesome that the universe of SNS isn't dead YET. But nonetheless more of this confusing ass shit means more "Why? What the fuck? Why didn't you just do....the fuck? OH COMMON SENSE! Where have you gone?" And in a weird undeserving way, I rate this season with a 9. Simply because I love the characters and its confusing ass story. Who knows? Maybe the new "book" might actually live things up a bit and actually explain why we should give a fuck of why what happened happened. |
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| I loved the series in the beginning, but I was gravely disappointed by this season... Since I watched Zero no Tsukaima at the same time (and because of the common voice actors I always automatically compared the two anime) I thought that Shana was better than ZnT in the beginning but was beaten by it in the end. ZnT: So what "bouncing boobs"?! SnS also did it's share of strange service and huge breats. Conclusion: I will just erase the 3rd season of SnS from my memory and pretend it ended with season 2... (which did look kinda like a happy end) |
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| Epic ending for epic anime <3 thx J.C Staff for this awesome series <3 |
| Sorry for my bad english ;c |
| ive waited for this anime for so long.. and GAHHHHH! total Love! :DD i was really satisfied. :D the ending filled out all the gaps of this anime. it was like instead of pointing out the bad points, you just left them there because it was really nice. :)) that's what you call ending. :) though i wanted to see more of shana x yuuji scenes. :)) |
| Anime ends.. feeling sad but loved the ending. Finally ShanaxYuri are together..forever?! :D it was an awesome anime. loved him from the first minute. =/ |
Go10 said: I like how after all that criticizing, it was still a 7, rofl.Anyways, the ending was good. Despite the confusing way to spin a tale. It goes without saying Yuji did NOT do all of this just for the sake of being with Shana. It was a large part of it, but it wasn't the only reason. So people should stop criticizing his grand plan. And it all worked out, but with some heavy plot armor. Like, oh hey look we messed your plan, then your back up plan, but WAIT, that was all a decoy! Then, Guiding God's grand's speech out of nowhere, boom a hybrid baby is born, lastly WOAH they wanted coexistence even after slaughtering tons of Flame Hazes a few episodes before and vice-versa. Despite a happy ending lol at the speed of opinions being changed on the fly. Although it's not terribly implausible it doesn't deserve a high praise either. Anyways, Ima gave it an 8. Finally a series I've been following since high school had ended, although the journey was a tough one with some rough and unbelievable patches to fill. |
TachiiMay 11, 2012 8:30 PM
| Fingers crossed the Shana novel that was announced last month is an after story that will be adapted into an OVA or something. Would be pretty sweet to see what went on after the main series. |
| About damn time they kissed xD.. Well, pretty good season.. when they played the first OP of SnS in the fight, it felt very nostalgic and made me want to watch from season 1-3 all over again lol. and "Urusai! Urusai! Urusai!" I loved it when she said it again xD. Now that Sns is finished, it seems a little sad. was one of the best anime for me :D.. 8/10 for this season, but for the whole show, 10/10 of course :D |
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| That badass Sydonay has always been one of my favs as well. He obviously lost a lot of his will to live after Hecate died so I'm surprised he put up such a fight in this ep, but he still died like he wanted. It feels strange saying this, but good for him! There were many pointless fights, some confusing parts, annoying new characters, and the pace was so slow for a few episodes, but the music was great as always, some fights were good, the new world creation thing was an interesting idea, and I liked the Shana x Sakai moment at the end. Sakai was actually likable this season too, amazing. It was prob mainly because of Snake dude tho. Well I still enjoyed watching Shana overall. Despite being somewhat forgettable, it still had some good points so it wasn't a complete waste~ |
MonochromeMay 17, 2012 10:42 PM
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Trav644 said: I liked this ending, I just wish they went a little more into what the new world was like, that and kinda sucks everyone stopped remembering Yuji.. Picture at the end with Hirai and ike was from the first episode of the first season, it originally didnt have Hirai in it, but now it doesnt have Yuji in it, sad really. That, and the one thing that mad me really angry and pretty much contradicted the entire season of this show, was when all the flame hazes left for the new world also, saying they wanted to keep the law or rules in check or whatever. STUPID! The entire point of this season was to create a world where denizens were completely free and had as much existence as they wanted, so they wouldnt have to bother the original world, but now the flame hazes ruined it, I see one big contradiction, something thats just gonna make them repeat this whole event over. Oh, and can someone explain to me wtf happened to Yuji in the end? the spell went off and he returned to human, i get that, but at the same time he gained super powers apparently lol? oh, n Yuji shoulda won the fight against Shana, same goes for Sydonay against Margery, seems both Margery and shana gained some mysterious wtf power in the end, but whatever. Series is a 10/10 in my book, im already missing it after watching 76 episodes. Now all i want is a quick OVA showing what this "New world" is like, and whats in it exactly, and ill be 100% happy and convinced. Edit: Not to mention i was rooting for the Denizens the entire time :)! there cast seemed much better than the flame hazes, that and the four "gods of earth" kinda made me angry, they were just plain to powerful lol, they shoulda died, along with some other annoying flames hazes! [/quote Actually it's not. The law was to prevent the Tomogara from consuming POE from humans even though Xanadu it has free flowing. If they continued eating POE from humans like they did back on Earth it would have destroyed everything (Earth, Xanadu, and the Crimson World). This is what Shana's group tried to prevent. The reason the 1200+ Flame Hazes went to Xanadu is simple. They don't trust the Tomagara. Even though the new world has that law now, the Tomogara can still kill or enslave humans there. Note that the Tomogara's are 1000x stronger than any humans, so it would easy to over power them. It will be Yuji and Shana's job to make all groups (human, Flame Hazes, and Tomogara) live there peacefully. Yuji is Not a human. That was a mistranslation from the first sub group. The second sub group did much better job explaining everything. He is a 'true existence' neither human or torch. He couldn't have won that fight because he became weaker since the Snake left. Shana is contracted to a God and is arguably the most powerful Flame Haze ever. Though no slouch herself, Margery had her power boosted with the leftover power of existence. |
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| I wanted to see how the new world actually looked like at the end :/ I have to admit the ending was kinda good, Yuuji and Shana finally kissed :D The rest of the other episodes are a little confusing for me since there was a lot of new characters but oh well~ Great series overall, gonna miss watching SnS :'( My rating for the last season: 9/10 |
| Wanted a future picture but whatever. I think this series had a a lot of potential to be done so much better. Would have been so epic if there were more casualties on the flame hazes side. It seemed like barely any flame hazes died in that last battle which was pretty intense considering the size of the city. I think the story for this season could have been done better, the reasons for some of the character's goals were pretty stupid LOL. The general didn't have to die =(, it was totally unnecessary!! |
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| I...I... don't exactly know how to feel about this season... Or as the series as a whole. It started off as a regular dude meeting a special girl, getting super powers, some love triangle-decagon thing, some enemies, some recurring enemies, then the choice, but all of a sudden: BAM! Some ultra bullshit means to an end type deal akin to mass effect's ending. THE WHOLE ENTIRE THING could have been peaceful and easily solved if everyone just talked it out. Especially that last part with Syd and Marge doing epic Godzilla fighting in a river, it seemed like it was thrown in there for the sake of having a "boss" battle. He could have just said "Hey guys, gonna kill myself so I can get me some pure prepubescent girl pie." Ugh... What I thought was pretty fucking stupid to begin with is the super Nazi bullshit the flame haze were doing to the guze. Think about it, sure they were pretty violent, just like animals, but there were some like Lamies should have been enough of a red flag to say "Hey, not every guze is a fucking animal". Again, some kind of talk could have seriously alleviated some, if not all, of these problems. Personally, I think Pheles and Johann had the best deal throughout the whole entire thing, they lived life for a long time, died together, and had a child. None of this, being together forever bullshit like Shana and dudeguy and none of that one's getting old the other not really with Margery and other dudeguy. Poor Kazumi though, jesus, she was basically the resident emotional punching bag and she actually pulled through it. She really did get the shittiest end of the stick. I felt real sorry for her all throughout the series, felt she deserved much much more, and I LOATHE girls of her archetype. This anime is like a delicious candy that leaves a disgusting aftertaste. |
| The chip in my mind, it summons me. I gave my life to your machines. |
| Keeping an open mind here, but having a hard time understanding why people thought this was "epic" or "the best ever". Here's the plot as I understand it: SPOILERS! SPOILERS! Yuji wants to end the pointless and endless fighting, teams up with god. His plan is to create a world and separate the two like kids fighting over a toy in preschool. But in doing so, he's going to create a copy of everyone and everything an let them get eaten. So his parents are safe, but the copy parents could easily get horrifically eaten. Somehow, he's morally ok with this. Other than his stupid end goal, I get what he's doing and I'm into the whole "seeing it from the other side" concept. I was really able to develop a liking of most of the Tomogara and their situation (forgetting for the moment that they're all essentially murderers). But a series of WTF moments really threw me: * The flame haze gods start killing everyone to prove a point that doesn't need to be made because they can't eat humans anyway? * Even though they could have eaten humans, they suddenly decided they didn't want to? Uh, BS... Like that would ever happen. If it did, why would they go to the new world anyway? * At the very end, why did Sydonay and the others fight at all? What were they trying to defeat? The last 20 minutes of the entire series made no sense at all. None of their actions seemed to have a purpose. In face, it seemed contradictory to their purpose. "I love you... DIE!!!!" It's been a long time since I've seen an anime with such a nonsensical ending. I'm hoping someone who's read the manga or saw something I didn't can explain this to me because right now, i feel like the writers quit and they brought in 10 year olds to complete the story last-minute. Edit: So what's with that whole "Silver is you" thing? So she wanted to brutally murder everyone she knows? I'm not buying that either. |
aikotoMay 29, 2012 9:37 AM
reve said: 2 iamgregor idk how you were watching it, but some of your points are pretty stupid and just telling that you didn't pay even a little attention. >But in doing so, he's going to create a copy of everyone and everything an let them get eaten. No. No need to eat humans in new world. They still can be killed etc. >So his parents are safe, but the copy parents could easily get horrifically eaten. Somehow, he's morally ok with this. No Misaki city in new world. It was said in last episode like several times. >Even though they could have eaten humans, they suddenly decided they didn't want to? Uh, BS... Like that would ever happen. If it did, why would they go to the new world anyway? In this world if tomogara don't eat humans they die. So basically it's not "I eat humans because I want to" thing. In new world they can live without eating humans. It was essential point of new world. I forgot about the Misaki city part, but you should still see my point. He's ok with the copy people getting eaten. Where does it say they must eat humans? It's been a long time since I've seen the first series. I also don't remember them saying they could live without humans in the new world (though it must be true if they chose to do so at the last minute). Finally, there's no need to be rude. Being confused is no reason to attack me personally. |
| So this whole season was about a dude and his flame (my, my, intended) initiating a probably millions of lives' worth of dead people and the creation of a new world just because they want to prove that they love each other very earnestly and well deserved? Oh boy. There were posts like that. Posts wondering about the total change of pace in this season. Maybe this is because I haven't watched Shakugan no Shana since shortly after Season 2 was finished and my taste just changed a bit. Then again I fucking enjoy JC Staff's ToAru series. And I can't say I disliked what I watched for 24 episodes. I felt well entertained, but... it just didn't feel like the same series anymore. Additionally, I totally disliked Yuuji all season long. I was never sure if he is the good guy or the bad guy. Probably there were never good or bad guys, just two factions having different point of views. In real life wars, there is barely a bad guy faction as well. So...what do I wanted to say? This season was good, but it had a strange feeling. And too much shit was going on. Way too much, where is the next light novel? But I really enjoyed seeing the Hirai Yukari again, because it all began with her and stuff. Probably something like 8/10, maybe 9. Will think about it for some time. |
| I finally got round to watching this in a single marathon session. I feel so proud of myself. It's been a long time coming. What a brilliant show. The first season is still my favourite, but I'm rating this 10 as I did for season 1 and 2. |
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couldn't agree more for me,this ending made ALL the war from SnS 3 become almost pointless still, i give this 8/10 for cool battle, epic EP & ED ost, and a happy resolve Well,after 7 years, 3 Season, 4 OVA, i would say that Shakugan No Shana will be one of my unforgettable anime that i have seen of course, I will really miss Shana's Triple Urusai :( |
| was i the only one who kept replaying the part where yuji got punched in the gut because he totally deserved it |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| surprised people like this, I guess they just wanted to like the whole thing. this season and this episode seemed like such a waste. the first 2 seasons were much better done. at least it made me like Yuji and the Tomogara. Why they still kept fighting Yuji when he wasn't wrong to begin with. I grew to hate all of the Flame Haze. Seeing Sydonay die sucked too. Just a big meh. Still hate Shana the character in general. Selfishing, annoying, bitchy loli. |
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| The ending really saved the season for me. There were lots of confusing parts and times which made me wonder why they were even fighting. Both flame haze and tomogara could have easily come up with a compromise and both been happy without having to fight. A little bit of communication between the two groups could have been so much easier than having a full season of war. ( For example, why did Yuji attack the flame haze HQs while getting his snake body to create his plan. Btw, he never even used the snake after he spent 5 episodes getting it. If all he really wanted to do was create a new world, all he needed to do was defend the gate to the rift, and explain his plan if the flame haze tried to attack him.) The Shana vs Yuji fight was able to get rid of all my frustration though when Shana punched Yuji saying "you should have just said that in the beginning." It was like my queue to stand up and yell "that's what i've been saying since episode 3!". Finally Yuji stops being dumb and stops thinking he has to "1 vs the world" then endure hardship then maybe find happiness if he's lucky. If he spent 10 minutes talking, things would have gone so much smoother. The ending fight turned a confusing season of seemingly pointless battles into a nostalgic and satisfying conclusion. Overall, it was a great ride and a very enjoyable 70 episodes. I'll definitely buy the blurays whenever Funimation releases them and watch the series again. |
ss4gojetanksJun 22, 2012 3:50 AM
| So at last it comes to an end. I have to say this episode was quite humerus when shana Said "why didn't you say that from the begging" LOL. Which brings to question what was the purpose of the war then? Finally the new being that was spoken by from the oracle god was Johan's and Phele's child. I agree with many people in that the whole purpose behind the 4 gods of the motherland was just to fight the tomagara, they really didn't serve any other purpose. Finally Sydonay meets his end in a climatic battle against shana and Margery, i have to say that battle intense and pretty crazy. He can finally stay with his beloved priestess Hacate. Now the god of creation, also known as Serie no hebie left to go the new world with the tomagara and the only reason i know that is from reading the MAL characters profiles, but i never once heard that name mentioned in the series. Kind of strange. The battle between shana and yuji was pretty insane to. If my eyes were not deceiving me did shana like learn a new spell already in that midst of that final battle. She just seemed so much more bad ass that she has ever been before. It appears she was able to finally control the power of the god of destruction to its full extent. Maybe im missing a few things that other people caught, i don't know, but its just hard to keep interest in a show when they reveal so many things at once, characters, story and its like mind overload. Their was alot of confusing elements to this series that could of been explored, ive never really read the novels my self, i hear alot of you saying that this season was actually the best adapted season from JC. Regardless though if it was JC's fault that they didn't adapt season 1 and 2, its like having a HUGE gap in between the seasons, which ultimately makes season 3 seem very confusing. But i'll tell you this is the most confusing, rushed, convoluted plot ive ever seen. This series has a great concept great core story and everything, but they could of easily make the last season 60 episodes or so to really explain all the elements of the story and the characters. I mean in the first 2 seasons, its best to forget season 3 never even existed lol. Its so rushed, thats mind boggling impossible for some one with an IQ of 200 to grasp wtf is going on. Yeah it has some of the best animation, best action sequences form all 3 seasons for sure. But even the attacks and the concepts behind the different flame haze powers are not even explained, its like its all jammed into your head. Honestly this is one show i am deffinitly going to have to read the novels , but it will be a while cause they have not translated them all yet. But i can see how a series like this would be excellent, regarding how many characters are involved and the core plot, but the way it was executed in season 3 was downright horrible, either that or like everyone says, JC' staffs poor execution of season 1 and 2 were bad, creating so much confusion when you finally hit season 3. Anyways it was a long haul to finish this. But i am pretty disappointed that one of my favorite franchises was kind of ruined due to this final season. 5/10 |
ArtimesGamerJun 29, 2012 8:40 PM
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Tachii said: Go10 said: I like how after all that criticizing, it was still a 7, rofl.Anyways, the ending was good. Despite the confusing way to spin a tale. It goes without saying Yuji did NOT do all of this just for the sake of being with Shana. It was a large part of it, but it wasn't the only reason. So people should stop criticizing his grand plan. And it all worked out, but with some heavy plot armor. Like, oh hey look we messed your plan, then your back up plan, but WAIT, that was all a decoy! Then, Guiding God's grand's speech out of nowhere, boom a hybrid baby is born, lastly WOAH they wanted coexistence even after slaughtering tons of Flame Hazes a few episodes before and vice-versa. Despite a happy ending lol at the speed of opinions being changed on the fly. Although it's not terribly implausible it doesn't deserve a high praise either. Anyways, Ima gave it an 8. Finally a series I've been following since high school had ended, although the journey was a tough one with some rough and unbelievable patches to fill. It isn't necessary to spoil tag that, but yeah i agree i am one of those people that had a very hard time trying to grasp what was going on. Although at this point you can't really draw a line between evil and good cause their really isn't the tomagara have thier reasoning's for good and also the flame haze do as well. So thier really is no evil in this show even though it seems like it. But it kind of made no sence to me, for yuji' ideals of creating a world for the tomagara to live in peace and then shana's prevention of creating the world and then finally both sides agree, you have to ask what was the damn point of th entire war then. Thats kind of how i felt to at the very end, perhaps some one with more knowledge from the novels can help shed more light on the subject. |
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| lol.. what a meaningless war.. 20ep of war but in the end the resolve is simple.. they just let us confuse a lot of thing.. |
Dark_MessiahJul 12, 2012 7:31 AM
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confuser987 said: Finally watched the last episode with subs. Question time now! What was the floating fortress called again?( i forgot :X) And what was it used for? Why couldn't the tomoguras and flame hazes sit down and talk and have diplomatic relationships? Heck they have shana and yuji who actually know each other and would reason with one and another. So Yuji could be one of our great successful Anime gods now like Lelouch Lamprouch and Haruhi Suzumiya. Or even better, Yuji is still alive and is finally in a relationship with the girl he loves. What happens in the Light Novel after Xandus is created? dont compare master lulu to that yuji.. yujis plan can be done by simple diplomat and why it came to a senseless war(as what shana said if he could just said it from the beginning..) ?? which means his tactical strategy is far from master lulu.. all hail lelouch.. from the beginning of the season they show us that tomogara are a bad guys but in the end of the season looks like they are the good guys and the flame haze are the bad ones because of stopping yuji's plan.. |
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