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Nov 18, 2011 8:59 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I think this was the end of novel 17, someone clarify this for me if possible.

Hecate's jealous fit went as expected, AND WE FINALLY GET SHANA IN THAT AWESOME DRESS!

And as some might have guessed, the flame haze sent to help Rebecca and Wilhelmina is someone we already know.

YOU GUYS WANTED ACTION!? WELL YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT NEXT WEEK. In the meantime im glad we got these few episodes to get everything prepared for the war.

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Nov 18, 2011 11:23 AM

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Wow, Yuiji did really man up. Things are starting to look really interesting now, seems like we'll get some episodes full of action the coming weeks. Can't wait!

Also... Shana looked really good in that dress!
 
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Nov 18, 2011 12:09 PM
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the speech at the end was epic and shana looks hella cute.
 
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Nov 18, 2011 12:32 PM

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go yuji go! :'D "Protect the Star of Darkness until my return" whats that? Shana? the palace building they're at???
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I have to say so far I'm enjoying this season the most I think. I've seen some people comment on other episodes about how boring it is and no action, etc. I like the fact they take a few episodes to build up the story, makes it more interesting and gives the series some depth. That being said, I can't wait til the war starts up. Should be some nice action sequences I hope.
 
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Nov 18, 2011 1:28 PM
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game8910 said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I think this was the end of novel 17, someone clarify this for me if possible.

Hecate's jealous fit went as expected, AND WE FINALLY GET SHANA IN THAT AWESOME DRESS!

And as some might have guessed, the flame haze sent to help Rebecca and Wilhelmina is someone we already know.

YOU GUYS WANTED ACTION!? WELL YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT NEXT WEEK. In the meantime im glad we got these few episodes to get everything prepared for the war.

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yes his words at the very end of the episode are the words which was in the end of volume 17 i was read it
 
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Nov 18, 2011 2:25 PM
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I have been a huge Shakugan no Shana fan since the beginning and this season saddens me in several ways. (I am not saying it is boring) As much as I hated Yuuji in the previous seasons I hate seeing both him and Shana like this. I miss the old times.. :( On the other note, can't wait until the next episode! Seems like we are going to see much more action like we wanted. :)
 
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Nov 18, 2011 2:40 PM

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Well that episode was good I guess, storyline's starting to move at a better pace.


4/5

Just don't really approve of all the pseudo-rape scenes... srsly why.

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Nov 18, 2011 2:49 PM

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YOU GUYS WANTED ACTION!? WELL YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT NEXT WEEK.

I'm going to guess it's Wilhelmina/Rebecca beating up on the Tomogara throwaways that were merely introduced this season so they could get beat up. Where the fuck were all these countless Tomogara when Wilhelmina and Shana went to go get Yuuji as he was held captive so Hecate could do her mind melding stuff so Bal Masque could create infinite power of existance? The only people that were guarding Seireiden at that point were the Trinity and the Professor with his crazy robots. And now I'm expected to believe there are a huge swarm of Tomogara just sitting there defending? Holy shit did this author ever fuck up immensely. I knew the third season couldn't possibly live up to the first season, but this has just been dreadful.

The "action" that will occur next episode(s) will be meaningless. The Trinity for some reason (?) went with Snake of the Festival through the portal. So who gives a shit about fighting. It's obvious that is the only way the author could think of for Shana to get rescued. Man, no wonder the Shana fans in Japan are not pre-ordering this series. They probably knew it would be terrible from having read the light novels.
 
Nov 18, 2011 2:50 PM

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all the names and titles and such are finally getting to me. especially with the discrepancies between translators and such. the re-introduction of Kha-whatever and Behemoth obviously didn't help.

i've been wondering about that Hougu that Kazumi obtained for a while now. ever since she obtained it in S2 it seemed to me like it was a guaranteed death flag for her character. but after the story of the prince and the monster, I guess it'll just change what context Kazumi decides to use it under.

and I guess the Seireiden is the most vulnerable right now? despite Snake of the Festival and the three other generals following him into limbo, there still remains quite a number of well prepared Denizens, and a few bigshot names like the Destructive Blade. if Wilhelmina and Rebecca actually go through with their suicide-plan or whatever, it'd still be one hell of a hard fight.


 
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I'm going to guess it's Wilhelmina/Rebecca beating up on the Tomogara throwaways that were merely introduced this season so they could get beat up. Where the fuck were all these countless Tomogara when Wilhelmina and Shana went to go get Yuuji as he was held captive so Hecate could do her mind melding stuff so Bal Masque could create infinite power of existance? The only people that were guarding Seireiden at that point were the Trinity and the Professor with his crazy robots. And now I'm expected to believe there are a huge swarm of Tomogara just sitting there defending? Holy shit did this author ever fuck up immensely. I knew the third season couldn't possibly live up to the first season, but this has just been dreadful.

The "action" that will occur next episode(s) will be meaningless. The Trinity for some reason (?) went with Snake of the Festival through the portal. So who gives a shit about fighting. It's obvious that is the only way the author could think of for Shana to get rescued. Man, no wonder the Shana fans in Japan are not pre-ordering this series. They probably knew it would be terrible from having read the light novels.


It would be better for you to research a bit before jumping to conclusions. That S1 battle you mentioned was never part of the light novels, the last 4 episodes of S1 were all completely anime original. Now im not defending JC Staff here, but for you to attack the writer of the novels over events that he didnt create is just dumb.
You want to be mad? be mad at the anime adaptation, but dont bring the author's writing skills into this argument, cause its already obvious that you dont know what you are talking about.
 
Nov 18, 2011 2:59 PM
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OMG~!! This was SO EPIC!!! Things are getting pretty intense and I'm lovin it! I haven't got THE slightest idea how I'm gonna wait another week!!! Dammit!
 
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game8910 said:
It would be better for you to research a bit before jumping to conclusions. That S1 battle you mentioned was never part of the light novels, the last 4 episodes of S1 were all completely anime original. Now im not defending JC Staff here, but for you to attack the writer of the novels over events that he didnt create is just dumb.
You want to be mad? be mad at the anime adaptation, but dont bring the author's writing skills into this argument, cause its already obvious that you dont know what you are talking about.

Wow, so the better episodes of the first season were anime original? That is something I did not know. Thanks for the info.

EDIT: I do have a question though. Where were these Tomogara in the first two seasons? Or were they in season 2? I can barely remember season 2. Just Pheles and Sabrac and I blocked out all of that Hecate crap from the first half. But seriously, this vast legion of Tomogara that Bal Masque has really should have been introduced before the third season.
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Meddigo said:
game8910 said:
It would be better for you to research a bit before jumping to conclusions. That S1 battle you mentioned was never part of the light novels, the last 4 episodes of S1 were all completely anime original. Now im not defending JC Staff here, but for you to attack the writer of the novels over events that he didnt create is just dumb.
You want to be mad? be mad at the anime adaptation, but dont bring the author's writing skills into this argument, cause its already obvious that you dont know what you are talking about.

Wow, so the better episodes of the first season were anime original? That is something I did not know. Thanks for the info.

EDIT: I do have a question though. Where were these Tomogara in the first two seasons? Or were they in season 2? I can barely remember season 2. Just Pheles and Sabrac and I blocked out all of that Hecate crap from the first half. But seriously, this vast legion of Tomogara that Bal Masque has really should have been introduced before the third season.
they didnt even told about the tomogarras in the season 1 or 2 even in the early volumes they didnt write about them so i guess they new ones
 
Nov 18, 2011 5:37 PM
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So far so good. Looking forward to next week. I hope the fights will be epic
 
Nov 18, 2011 5:55 PM

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Shana looks kinda like Dantalian in that dress
Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone
 
Nov 18, 2011 6:35 PM

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Loli in a dress.
 
Nov 18, 2011 8:12 PM

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Good episode,the last transition episode.

Things start to move,Shana get saved by Yuuji from a jealous Hecate and he also explain the other reason she abducted Shana.

Khasmin story was interesting,this will help Kazumi decide wtf to do specially with the cross and when she will use it.

The Sereiden is ready and Yuuji and the 3 generals travel to the Abyss things will start to move next episode the War Begins!!!

and of course Shana on the dress was sooooooooooooooooo Cute!!

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Nov 18, 2011 8:38 PM

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Yup, Mamiko Noto is the only smart character in the anime.
 
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Meddigo said:
game8910 said:
YOU GUYS WANTED ACTION!? WELL YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT NEXT WEEK.

I'm going to guess it's Wilhelmina/Rebecca beating up on the Tomogara throwaways that were merely introduced this season so they could get beat up. Where the fuck were all these countless Tomogara when Wilhelmina and Shana went to go get Yuuji as he was held captive so Hecate could do her mind melding stuff so Bal Masque could create infinite power of existance? The only people that were guarding Seireiden at that point were the Trinity and the Professor with his crazy robots. And now I'm expected to believe there are a huge swarm of Tomogara just sitting there defending?

I haven't watched episode 7 yet, but what if Bal Masque started gathering Tomogara sometime before the start of Season 3 in preparation for the war?
 
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Wait, Yuuji is just going to leave Shana there? What if those monsters ravage and defiles her tiny body.

IMAGINATIONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
 
Nov 18, 2011 10:00 PM
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ALL HAIL KAISER.. err.. YUJI
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
 
Nov 18, 2011 10:16 PM
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Wait, Yuuji is just going to leave Shana there? What if those monsters ravage and defiles her tiny body.

IMAGINATIONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!


you are nasty man
 
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Wait, Yuuji is just going to leave Shana there? What if those monsters ravage and defiles her tiny body.

IMAGINATIONNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
I like how you think.
 
Nov 18, 2011 10:44 PM

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im terribly confused with all of this terminology, i dont even know where to begin. I still dont get why yuji is siding with the denizens or wtvr.
 
Nov 18, 2011 10:54 PM

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I thought it would be an info episode. It kinda was, but it was really interesting.

 
Nov 19, 2011 12:27 AM
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Yeah it was really sad how JC Staff didn't animate Shadow Yuji when he almost killed Wilhelmina.
 
Nov 19, 2011 12:34 AM

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I was lost for most of the exposition.

I'm glad I didn't have to learn a new name today. Still.

"I, Hecate, Priestess of Bel Masque must terminate the Flame-Haired Burning Eyed Hunter and quickly, before the Manipulator of Objects who wields the power of the Crown and Sash of Fantasies arrives! It's only a matter of time before the Interpreter of Condolence, Margery Daw awakens with the intervention of the Claw and Fangs of Violation. Do you not agree with me, he who shares the consciousness of the Snake of Festival and houses the being of the Lost Child, Sakai Yuji?"

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FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
 
Nov 19, 2011 12:42 AM

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Great episode, it seems like the war is going to start sooner than i expected. Hecate jealousy resumed like i expected, all though it was interesting to see Yuji/Snake of the Festival's reasoning for keeping Shana alive, i simply thought he would say don't touch her period and demonstrate his superior power to get Hecate to back off. It will be interesting to see what the Snake of the Festival meant by his "real body", and also judging from the preview the timing for their departure couldn't have been worse since it seems Wilhelmina is starting her break in for Shana. Looking forward to the next episode, hopefully we get some good action like we did in episode 4.
 
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Meddigo said:
game8910 said:
YOU GUYS WANTED ACTION!? WELL YOU WILL FINALLY GET IT NEXT WEEK.

I'm going to guess it's Wilhelmina/Rebecca beating up on the Tomogara throwaways that were merely introduced this season so they could get beat up. Where the fuck were all these countless Tomogara when Wilhelmina and Shana went to go get Yuuji as he was held captive so Hecate could do her mind melding stuff so Bal Masque could create infinite power of existance? The only people that were guarding Seireiden at that point were the Trinity and the Professor with his crazy robots. And now I'm expected to believe there are a huge swarm of Tomogara just sitting there defending?

I haven't watched episode 7 yet, but what if Bal Masque started gathering Tomogara sometime before the start of Season 3 in preparation for the war?
i think you right about that it can explain all the tomogarra
 
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im terribly confused with all of this terminology, i dont even know where to begin. I still dont get why yuji is siding with the denizens or wtvr.
he do it becouse he want to end the long years fighting between the flame hazes and the denizens and tomogarras once and for all
 
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Am I the only person who doesn't know which side to root for? The only person I'm rooting for is Shana, but I seriously have no idea which group I would want to win. In a way, I'm just confused.
 
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Wow, just wow I can't wait for next week, awesome episode. Shana looked cute as hell in that dress and I sure do wonder how the Snake of the Festival's body is gonna look like, apart from that. I think Kazumi is gonna use the Hougu sooner or later, also it's awesome that Khamsin returned. Man I want Shana to get her powers back soon and I sure do wanna see her in that white dress they showed on the opening and some Light Novels. btw, black fire ftw.
 
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I just don't get how i am loving the main villain so much right now lol. Yuji is finally being a man, and Shana is finally being a woman. I was about to drop, but this season is starting to catch my eye a little, so i think ill watch a little longer.

However, can someone explain to me why Yuji looked depressed immediately after he yanked shana by the arm? That part was strange to me
 
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I just don't get how i am loving the main villain so much right now lol. Yuji is finally being a man, and Shana is finally being a woman. I was about to drop, but this season is starting to catch my eye a little, so i think ill watch a little longer.

However, can someone explain to me why Yuji looked depressed immediately after he yanked shana by the arm? That part was strange to me


It's either due to her reaction (she's still very withdrawn toward him), or him thinking about having to leave her shortly. Either way it's conflicting emotions, and this is going to be a very important thing to keep in mind for the rest of the show.
 
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I have to say so far I'm enjoying this season the most I think. I've seen some people comment on other episodes about how boring it is and no action, etc. I like the fact they take a few episodes to build up the story, makes it more interesting and gives the series some depth. That being said, I can't wait til the war starts up. Should be some nice action sequences I hope.


I agree, it actually seems like a better thought mature work right now. For me is like the people with shitty taste that where posting all over the internet that a half-decent show like Shakugan no Shana was a masterpiece actually got disappointed now that the show actually tries to be a little better because they wouldn't know good writing and correct build-up even if it beat them in the ass and just watch less thought childish things.
Yuji is so much more intriguing and better now, Shana stoped being just an annoying moe tsundere thing shouting urusai all the time and acts more like a girl with emotion and the tense situation between them of the events to come is so much more interesting than any simplistic fights we had the first two seasons. Hell the second season was mostly just a harem for Christ sake.
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Great fucking great. absolutely. this episode really boiled my blood
 
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This episode confused me quite a bit - Could someone clarify these details for me?

* Is Shana afraid of Yuji or not? Does she hate him or does she 'love' him? The part in the previous episode where she said "The most powerful unrestricted spell is 'Love' - and I have found it" really tipped me off. So is she suddenly smitten with him now?

* Yuji's explanation to Hecate as to why he really kidnapped Shana was confusing to me as well. I do not really get what he said. I kind of interpreted it a bit weird - to me, it sounded pretty harsh on Shana (something along the lines of I'm only using her, it's not solely because I love her); did she not mind at all? What is Shana really thinking?

Help me please, guys!
 
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This episode confused me quite a bit - Could someone clarify these details for me?

* Is Shana afraid of Yuji or not? Does she hate him or does she 'love' him? The part in the previous episode where she said "The most powerful unrestricted spell is 'Love' - and I have found it" really tipped me off. So is she suddenly smitten with him now?

* Yuji's explanation to Hecate as to why he really kidnapped Shana was confusing to me as well. I do not really get what he said. I kind of interpreted it a bit weird - to me, it sounded pretty harsh on Shana (something along the lines of I'm only using her, it's not solely because I love her); did she not mind at all? What is Shana really thinking?

Help me please, guys!
the snake inside yujii told hacate he kidnapped shana becouse the love of sakai yujii to her. and if he was kill shana there the pendant could get back to the realm and form contract with third flame haze
 
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edmond321 said:
This episode confused me quite a bit - Could someone clarify these details for me?

* Is Shana afraid of Yuji or not? Does she hate him or does she 'love' him? The part in the previous episode where she said "The most powerful unrestricted spell is 'Love' - and I have found it" really tipped me off. So is she suddenly smitten with him now?

* Yuji's explanation to Hecate as to why he really kidnapped Shana was confusing to me as well. I do not really get what he said. I kind of interpreted it a bit weird - to me, it sounded pretty harsh on Shana (something along the lines of I'm only using her, it's not solely because I love her); did she not mind at all? What is Shana really thinking?

Help me please, guys!

1. She loves him, but she's just different and kinda insecure without Alastor and her blade, so she was afraid of him and she didn't know why his hand scared her so much untill she remembered how she held hands with Shiro, who loved her(too).
2. That was the Snake of Festival talking, not Yuji. He said he kept her not only because of the great love his host - Yuji, has for Shana, but because she can help too.
 
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Good episode, better than last week. Wonder what Yuuji and his generals will do now.
 
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Good episode, better than last week. Wonder what Yuuji and his generals will do now.
next episode the war will begin so this wont be focus on yujji
 
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Oh, I see! Thanks, guys, for clarifying those details! :)

I am still kind of confused as to why reminiscing on how she held hands with Shiro made Shana realize why Yuji's hand scared her so much, though. :/
 
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I sure do wonder how the Snake of the Festival's body is gonna look like

I'm pretty sure it was in the first scene of the first episode.
 
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My guess is that this episode will finally appease those who have said that this season sucks. This was epic! And why another cliffhanger?

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Shana looked great in that outfit. Also Yoshida seems to still have a "purpose" and I guess that she would fall for the Prince. (Great story by the way.)
 
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Good episode, and the war will apparently begin next episode.
 
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I find it ironic how Bal Masque gets majority of the screentime during the whole season (there were 3 episodes focused on Bal Masque and 1 episode focused on the Flame Hazes). During the past 2 seasons, we barely know anything about the Bal Masque, and we barely get any information about them. They're portrayed as your generic villains during the first 2 seasons, while the Flame Hazes are portrayed as your generic heroes. Come season 3, and it show that Flame Hazes aren't necessarily your generic heroes (there's the political BS in episode 6, Sophie Sawalisch seems to be suspicious, and Freider is ... a bit asshole), and the Bal Masque aren't necessarily your generic villains who wants to destroy for the lulz.

P.S: It kinda make sense to me now why Hecate has been praying/meditating during the first 2 seasons.

P.S 2: Also, it's disappointing how the destruction of Shanghai branch of Outlaw wasn't depicted (only in season 2 episode 18 and in the first 5 minutes of S3's episode 2 was that depicted) seeing that it has a big influence on the events of the series.
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I can't believe i'm actually starting to hate Shana. Suddenly Yuji's got so strong that he only put that thing on her arm and now she's powerless. -_-
 
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I can't believe i'm actually starting to hate Shana. Suddenly Yuji's got so strong that he only put that thing on her arm and now she's powerless. -_-


Don't you know about the effect that men have on women that are attracted to them? Especially now that he finally is acting like man? LOL

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But on a serious note, I'm sure that she just feels powerless without her sword and Alestor's guidance.
 
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Nice speech.

I don't get the prince's story... Why the monster loved him, and why he loved the monster?
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