i simply pointing out that conservative goverment japan is bigger threat we should care than animegate... for example is what tokyo is doing literaly now... i am agree, i just add example most recent case why we should care.... animeget is like very trivial things compared to this... Manaban said: I have concerns about how the west could push for censoring anime and manga as well, but the issues there and what the tokyo conservative government has allowed are quite different, if you look at what the UN has pushed for them to apply and what BBC reporters tend to do about the subject, which gives off a pretty strong indication that yes, the changes would still be more massive and restrictive to certain kinds of content than what the Japanese Conservative Government is doing - and yes, I'm aware of that, they've even tried to hit things like TLR before and it didn't go through, it is a problem and I'm not at all trying to downplay it (and 15poundfish even called them the biggest threat currently in his post, which is definitely something I agree with and why I'm kind of baffled at why you're pointing this out to him.) Currently the biggest threat is hitting distribution in the west and gaining influence that way, and yes, there has been pretty strong flags being raised that yes, the kind of censorship the west could apply is much more restrictive than what the current Tokyo government lets pass by. And it's kind of ironic, because the sort of "Japan just gonna handwave all foreigners" mindset is also pretty misplaced and that was recently proven as much when there was a diplomatic outcry from Mongolians over a gag featuring kids drawing a dick on Ghenghis Khan's forehead in a manga not so long ago, which was more or less kowtowed to. well, this is also misunderstood... foreigner influence in japan is escalated, just not the west... in fact, US is fall from number 1 to number 4 for oversea profit... the one who credited the most for rise is china, taiwan, and korea... so again, while oversea profit does more important than ever, it still not like west can dictate on japan what they produce... http://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data and UN never push japan to censor to it, it's just one of suggestion... it's already answered with rejection by woman ministry of japan anyways... also if it's does deemed offensive, usually it's the sompany on it's own that automaticaly retreated, not goverment actually giving respons... other than mongolian case, there is jojo and noragami case... it's interesting note that it's not because they are follow it, it usually the company just admit, apologize, and change it... it's unlike the west, controversies doesn't give a company free marketing and fame... shame culture japan probably the one caused it... they are affected not because they are actually affraid of oversea market, they are affraid it's hurt their own company reputation... japan has really high pride on it... Manaban said: I also don't like how people are instantly making this issue of potential censorship ab SJW versus anti-SJW matter a lot in this thread and other places where it's been brought up, and I find people trying to handwave it or provide tu quoque points about current issues of this in Japan (like you're very much doing here) to be a bit ignorant over the sort of precedent that's already started to form. While there is a degree where people can overboard about it and become paranoid, this isn't at all a misplaced concern thus far and it's jaw-dropping to me how many otherwise reasonable people just try to ignore it or dismiss it or make it into something that's more left versus right than it is a matter of potential censorship worming its way into the medium even more than it currently is present. it's called false dilemma btw... it's easier scapegoat... people demand easier simplier explanation of everything, ignoring how complex the issue is... again, i am not trying to make it like that either, i just showing there is complitely misunderstood and false accusation direction that need to be cleared... the "western extream leftist" doesn't actually have that much foot in japan.. it's something much closer and more powerful that actually has power in japan we need to aware of... i don't want people misunderstood that shimoneta or gintama get cencored because "evil leftist"... but in fact done by BPO, a jaanese conservative parents organitation... so if we has cencorship problem in the future, we need to clarify from where it is first.... maybe i am the one that being overreacted because i already has this kind of discussion in here, as it shown in this thread again.... |
KumaMay 11, 2018 6:47 AM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| The West loves subversive trash and hates sincerity. The thing I would worry about isn't censorship, but the funding of projects that sneer at their audience in an obnoxious, affected way. |
15poundfish said: Kuma said: lol, the only one affected is the west... i couldn't care less... the problem is in japan country it self, lots of conservative nuts try to ban educational manga about hentai history.... https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-04-18/sexual-expression-research-books-harmful-designations-draw-criticism/.130509 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2010-12-15/full-tokyo-assembly-passes-youth-ordinance-bill so yeah, realistically i would care more about oldman on the goverment who actually has power to limiting anime expression than rondom basement dwellers.... There is a possibility that the West could influence the Japanese Anime industry depending on its popularity and how studio's pander to the Western demographic. Dr. Strange and Iron Man 3 is actual proof of self censorship of comic book character's because of the Chinese demographic. Its not inevitable that this will happen to anime as it becomes more popular in the West but its a possibility especially when simulcasts are an actual thing. It also doesn't matter what the average Western anime fan believes is unacceptable in anime. All it takes is the opinions of a few individuals or certain interest groups with influence to create the perception that censorship needs to happen. Ignoring Feminists is not going to make them go away, if that was true we would not see no platforming of speakers on college campuses, or most of western media often having progressive/feminist propaganda. The thread discussion is not about who is the greater threat to anime presently because most agree its the Japanese conservatives and the Japanese government. What the thread is about is the possibilities of censorship from the West as Anime becomes mainstream and normalized. Government censorship from the West will affect the purchase of content in their respective countries but not the production of anime itself unless the country is large enough like China. What can happen is for localization groups or Western companies that influence the creative process to censor anime directly while its in production. The leverage they could have over Anime is the perception of losing the western demographic or by removing funding if they have a large stake on the production committee. Media companies in general in Western countries are almost always left leaning which is why Feminists are a possible existential threat to anime. and again, it's not like the west can dictate what japan should produce... especially for late night shows that what mostly people on the west enjoy... they are not big and not giving lot income to begin with... if we talking about DBS for example, sure they will care, but it's not like they will change DB complitely just for satisfying western market... it's probably the cencorship in tv or licencing distribution on the west... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| To summarize it all up: United States is not Japan. They have more important things to worry about than drawn girls with big boobs. Nothing's gonna happen. End of story. |
| It doesn't matter much in the actual end because a good majority of the community doesn't even buy licensed anime but instead watch rips of Japan releases. Unlike games, we don't have to worry about localization and licensing processes, rather just hope there are simulcasts for rips or fansubbers to sub. |
15poundfish said: Kuma said: They definitely can if they financial leverage over the production of anime. You don't seem to understand that businesses operate on maximizing profits with the least amount of time. If Anime was popular enough to sell 100,000 copies per volume of any action shounen with western censorship you would see a decline of anime of other types immediately. Why would anyone make an Ecchi/Moe/SOL anime if they make 100X the profit in the same amount of the time?and again, it's not like the west can dictate what japan should produce... especially for late night shows that what mostly people on the west enjoy... they are not big and not giving lot income to begin with... if we talking about DBS for example, sure they will care, but it's not like they will change DB complitely just for satisfying western market... it's probably the cencorship in tv or licencing distribution on the west... if that profit must taken by ignoring already estabilished fanbasses and market and possibly pissing them, will they still taking it? i don't think so.... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| So it looks like I was right, UK Anime.net really did run into trouble because of these articles and apparently even staff was shaken up. Anime UK News All of this because of a couple of articles on one website? Feminists really have nothing better to do. |
| Japan rarely makes anime with the western audience in mind. Sure, they might throw in a disney reference here and there, but they don't say "hmm, maybe we should take this part out for the american kids watching this". I wouldn't worry about it. What I would worry about is that somehow SJW's get certain anime banned in certain places. Remember, the US can't do shit about what other countries are doing, but what they can do is ban things in their country. Lolicon is already questionably legal in a handful of states ("cough" Texas), so the idea of this happening is not that far fetched. |
| Another update on the situation in the UK concerning UK Anime Network and the controversy their animegate podcast caused. There's an article up explaining what happened along with statements from those involved: Sakura Anime News Article FoeToeMoe said: Lolicon is already questionably legal in a handful of states ("cough" Texas), so the idea of this happening is not that far fetched. Didn't they arrest people over this already? I think its already illegal here. Or maybe its another of those "Grey legal lines" where no one wants to give a definitive answer or challenge it. |
| We have bigger things to fear in anime. More isekai. |
WeebFromMars_18_ said: jal90 said: I'm not afraid of people having opinions it's them having opinions on things they may not be well-educated onI don't understand, are you afraid of anime getting criticism if it becomes mainstream? Are you afraid of people having opinions? People will have opinions on stuff they experience whether they are experts at it or not. As do all of us. If that scares you I wonder how can you survive in this forum. |
WeebFromMars_18_ said: MartinAcademia said: gosh dang it it's not any of the SJWs damn business so they should just stay out of the picture entirelyMass SJW campaign against anime and its fans. Its what happened with video games. Gamergate was real ugly and now games are politicized and many get censored. Imagine thinking videogames are politicized or censored just now. |
| They be having soft porn for their music mvs but then they come and conplain about anime |
| Most underated anime on mal: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4651/Yume_no_Crayon_Oukoku?q=Yume%20ni%20crayon |
hadapa said: Dear Lord, that place is practically unreadable. A decent gaming thread every now-and-then (like the JRPG one, or retro threads by *very* specific members who actually know what they're talking about), but 98% of the "site" is garbage content. Mate, you are posting on a site with literal neo-nazi holocaust deniers running rampant. |
| people that think animegate will ever be a thing are the flat earthers of the anime community. |
Edward Elric > your waifu  |
| "animegate" ? Really? Because of your lying title, I read those articles for nothing. There is press revelation nor secret spying involved, even something remotely valuable or somewhat reminiscent of the Watergate scandal, You shouldn't invoke names you don't master. Second time I fall for this kind of trap, shame on me. -_- @Padoru_Padoruuu "gamergate" ? Thanks, looks like the persons behind this word are actually at fault. Though, it's not a reason to make their bastardization more common through multi-usage. |
Rei_IIIAug 19, 2018 11:01 PM
MartinAcademia said: I just found a series of articles online that have me worried: Normalizating Anime Attacking the Fanbase Political Pressure Corporate Influence Censorship Basically, the author sees the same worrying warning signs for our industry that were there just before gamergate started, and then again before the comic book fiasco we now see. Normally I'd have dismissed something like this but I myself noticed way more political threads on forums recently and it is true the mainstream media have been talking about our hobby way too much and taking shots at us too. I just hope this is a phase and doesn't actually get worse. I just got back into anime, I really don't need this shit. They've been censoring anime over the years now. It's just in different ways (the ultraviolence, for example). To be honest, anime is rife with equal opportunity hating. You just have to point out the other gender equivalent just to tell them they should fix the entire system rather than point out one facet. That's because, at the end of the day, tropes were established because they sell. |
| Good thing Japan couldn't care less about some seething western SJWs. |
| Also the OP is quite funny, given that censorship/corporate pressure/ etc is already a thing presented in anime. Neane93 said: nicethings said: Oh, my sweet summer childisn't that resetera site like the anime equivalent of the onion i thought it was bad satire https://kiwifarms.net/threads/neogaf-resetera.9636/ Kiwifarms is another good site. If you like stalking and harassing people online. |
| This thread is one of reason why I decided to watch gate. |
Dlwuik said: people that think animegate will ever be a thing are the flat earthers of the anime community. Yeah am I right who would think animegate would be a thing like thats a no no for me definitely |
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Neane93 said: Anime is a direct competitor to the Jewish poison called Hollywood, the Jews will identify it as a new threat to the NWO and will accordingly request the CIA to conduct a hit job on the "negative effects" of anime. You know what won't help people take you seriously? Blaming crap on the Jews all of the time. Seriously. Please. Also, you're forgetting all of the rich goyim in Hollywood, the media, and in politics that hate Israel. To quote Michael Jordan, "Stop it. Get some help." |
gunslinger90 said: animegate will happen its happening now wake up heres proof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgRG8cF1bK4&t=12s It won't last long, remember unlike gaming, it's easier to find raws and fansubs. Comics lost the battle because they were very niche by the time SJWs attacked it although at least one of the SJW comicpros is about to be sued to the ground, but that will just put a damper on the attacks on fans, it's too late to save the comics industry. |
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| here we go again, people on the internet again being afraid that other people on the internet have opinions they disagree with and claiming that other people are out to get them |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
GlennMagusHarvey said: here we go again, people on the internet again being afraid that other people on the internet have opinions they disagree with and claiming that other people are out to get them Inclusion is for the weak. Persecute the outsiders. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Ahegyao said: How about no, you crazy xenophobe?GlennMagusHarvey said: here we go again, people on the internet again being afraid that other people on the internet have opinions they disagree with and claiming that other people are out to get them Inclusion is for the weak. Persecute the outsiders. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
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