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Reply to damnit_shinji
i don't know what people were really expecting from this, something like cowboy bebop or something? nah, i was just in for it cause I knew i would enjoy it anyways. the story was good, yeah skinner right in front of a character but it actually makes sense why he wouldn't really check on him, like would you really think skinner would be right beside them? even though we weren't sure about that, so was the character. but yeah, that was dumb, i won't see it as a flaw though. animation, was insane, mappa did an amazing job, the action choreography was great, and the music and soundtrack? you can just listen to it and say, it was a watanabe's work, you can tell. it did give me some cowboy bebop's vibes but it isn't that much brilliantly written. the amount of hate it is getting, it doesn't deserve it. Lazarus as an anime deserves atleast more than 7.6. it deserves it. i really liked the character of skinner. we didn't get to see much of him, but i ended up liking him, that's the brilliant part about how, his character was given depth through conversations. i liked that part. and yeah, the last ep and the question, would earth be better than humans which was also a part of an ep earlier, i loved that part. and so, i give it a solid 8! and I don't really care about what you say. i love it man.
| @damnit_shinji damnit_shinji said: yeah, that was dumb, i won't see it as a flaw though Literally everyone here about anything in this show lmao. The show was a dumpster fire on steroids and made zero sense. Half of the script is nothing but flaws but everyone refuses to see past the Watanabe name. |
| This was one of the biggest disappointements I've witnessed in my life. Such a shame. I seriously loved the show almost until the end but the way everything tied up was straight up bs. Also, ain't NO WAY IN HELL Skinner's hideout wasn't obvious. Ugh. |
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| Honestly? I disagree with people preaching for this show, but they're still a minority in comparison to the many people slandering the series. I think this is what happened: people heard about the director of the new anime, formed expectations, and then started complaining about every little thing very early into the series. I can think of worse shows who earned a better score and weren't that hated. I'm stuck around the 6.5/10 score. I think they made a mistake of showing the viewers a very clear shot of Skinner in the 3rd (I think) episode. It only fueled the feeling that the characters were going nowhere, as many people complained. The only twist we got was our cast being immune to the drug. Overall, it was OKAY. Still disappointing, but definitely not bad. |
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Reply to nxneil13
Damn its always fun to see anime fans be some extreme with their ratings, its either the best thing ever or the worst thing to ever existed.
Obv the visuals and music were great, there was so much character and diversity that makes this a clear watanabe work. The story however I do think there was a good bit of rusehd moments and missed oppurtunities. Honestly, I think my problem is that lazarus should've been 24 episodes. IDK why they did 13 episodes, for a mystery action find the target story, it would have been better to do more episodes instead of cramming it into 13 episodes. With our crew, i think all of them were good, but again i wish we had more episodes to explore each of them, doug started out the coolest, but i felt like we didn't learn anything about it. Elaine and Leland had both had a solid episode about them, but it felt kinda surface level. Abel and Chris both had the most time learning about them, but it still felt like we needed more. The kiss between was nice, but it felt pointless imo.
Honestly, I won't say Lazarus is mid, it is definitely not. Compared to Mappa's last original, ZENSHU, I'd rather watch this. But I will say it isn't great and beyond. Its just solid. It is a sold 7-7.5/10 for me
Obv the visuals and music were great, there was so much character and diversity that makes this a clear watanabe work. The story however I do think there was a good bit of rusehd moments and missed oppurtunities. Honestly, I think my problem is that lazarus should've been 24 episodes. IDK why they did 13 episodes, for a mystery action find the target story, it would have been better to do more episodes instead of cramming it into 13 episodes. With our crew, i think all of them were good, but again i wish we had more episodes to explore each of them, doug started out the coolest, but i felt like we didn't learn anything about it. Elaine and Leland had both had a solid episode about them, but it felt kinda surface level. Abel and Chris both had the most time learning about them, but it still felt like we needed more. The kiss between was nice, but it felt pointless imo.
Honestly, I won't say Lazarus is mid, it is definitely not. Compared to Mappa's last original, ZENSHU, I'd rather watch this. But I will say it isn't great and beyond. Its just solid. It is a sold 7-7.5/10 for me
| @nxneil13 The only justification of making it 24 episodes is if the characters were actually properly fleshed out and actually interesting. We only get brief glimpses of them, not enough that I would have cared if any of them died which is why the action while visually good never felt all the engaging because if they died it wouldnt have much impact. At 13 episodes way it was done it would have been better as a 2 hour movie at most, because it just was a snooze fest in how things progressed. Or maybe 13 was enough if they got rid of the whole set timeline thing, if time is uncertain it gives more breathing room instead of a constant chase. Then there is the issues I mentioned in my previous comment how Skinner's actions make zero sense for his character how he is portrayed. Im not even really critical of anime, most my ratings are MALs average or better. |
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| The story is quite weird. Lazarus members were chosen because they have virus antibody. Why scientists didn't research them to at least attempt to create vaccine? Some of background story is also seems forced. What the Russian army doing in Tuvalu? It's very lucky they met Christine there and very unlucky for Christine, from all the investigation spots she got that one. Even if they never found Skinner, humanity will still survive. Overall just okay. The action was good but the story is just decent. Teslarossa said: Did this episode really just tell me that the trans girl KNEW where Skinner was the entire time and refused to tell anybody?? She was the first person at the harbor, why didn't she talk to him first? Almost destroyed the world for this, what a stupid ending. The whole airport thing, too... this was hardly brought up in the first half of the series and came off as a deus ex machina. It feels pointless talking about how contrived it is that all Lazarus members, from the United States, happened to be in the same exact spot somewhere in Europe 3 years before the story. The whole story feels like a first draft and they were improvising halfway through the show. Jill didn't know. She knew about the flower but didn't realize that guy was Skinner |
| Well, it turns out it was true all along. The white-bearded man we saw in one of the early episodes (in the Homeless Community) was indeed Dr. Skinner. But does this mean that their struggles were in vain? I don't think so. In the end, Dr. Skinner was found, the cure for Hapna was immediately spread throughout the world, and humanity extended its future once again. The end. |
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Lynx_sama said: @Marinate1016 I'm still very confused about Axel's past, like why did he know about the Hundun and all...i wanted to know more about him but we got almost nothing. And about the cure being distributed that fast i just interpreted that if they hadn't found him at that exactly moment he'd just died with the cure since he's the only one who knew about it and used hapna since the test phase, so if he died the humanity would die soon as well. So maybe the cure was distributed not exactly at that day but a someday after that? The cure would’ve had to have been distributed within 2 days, that’s all everyone had left before people started dying. Unless they let the people who took it first die off and then over the next month or so they rolled it out, because not everyone took hapna on the same day. Re Axel: Yea, I feel like the implication might be he was the son of the Red Room’s director or something |
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| An alright conclusion to an overall mediocre show. Everything about this anime just felt forced to me. |
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| It was a good ending, but overall the anime didn't quite convince me. This Watanabe work had so much more potential, but it didn't quite tap into it. While the fight between Axel and the assassin was absolutely epic, the series never really unraveled why the assassin was so obsessed with Hundun and his relationship with Axel. Several characters, such as Douglas, underdeveloped, and that sudden revelation - that all the main characters had already been exposed to Hapuna years earlier during the Skinner/government incident - was really surprising, but didn't leave enough time to explore it. What I did appreciate was how they portrayed the truth behind Skinner's fall from humanity: the government's obsession with turning his cure into a biological weapon. Sometimes human beings can twist even the best things into something horrifying. I really think this story had more to give. But like the Lazarus team, wandering aimlessly from place to place in search of Skinner, the narrative often felt lost as well. Still, I enjoyed the action scenes, a few laughs along the way, and certainly the soundtrack. That last song? Straight to my playlist. |
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| Something interesting I noticed, China and Russia are in a union, not that surprising, but Europe and North America don't seem to be in one. Now, one may argue that even that is not too far gone a conclusion given the current state of geopolitics, but how do you explain Canada throwing in its lot with the US? 51st state go vroom? Why tf am I even discussing geopolitics here? It's pointless and irrelevant to the anime, just like most of its plot. All of that hype between Axel and whoever tf that assassin was and there's zero connection? All 5 are survivors and only Axel is targeted? I didn't even know if it's possible to animate something before even writing it, but that's clearly what happened here. I think TBATE had a better script than this, generic though it may be. |
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I really loved the anime I think it is going to have a second season because when Apel asked them if they want to join Lazarus they Saied yes |
| Nothing ever happens. Nothing burger show. Atrocious. |
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| @Fintan And why is this relevant with the forum topic again? |
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| Not going to lie, after the build up of the last few episodes, I was expecting more from the finale. The battle between Axel and the hitman was really cool, although it didn't make much sense, considering Axel's shape, that they ignored right at the end. So the one that could barely move was able to survive the fall of the building, but the hitman no? I'll let that slide, because Axel is indeed OP. We also got something really quick about the hitman, and how he, right before he died, he didn't feel like a monster anymore, but I feel like we needed more time to fully explore whatever the idea was here. Also, I found Skinner's revelation a bit anticlimatic. I mean, he just gave them the antidote, and said "So yeah Hersch, I loved you, but look, I was in my lowest low, so I'm just going to end the world". I feel like they rushed this whole section, and it ended up hurting this final revelation, that I honestly didn't make me understand better Skinner's motives. But the scene was well executed in other aspects, I really liked the sceneries, the cuts, when Skinner died relieved after hearing Axel. Although generic, it was also wholesome how the team Lazarus was able to become a permenant thing, and they ended up saving the world. It was really disappointing that we didn't see more of the World after the Hapna cure, especially from the characters. We got that whole episode about Eleina's backstory and her relationship with her mother, and it wasn't even addressed in this finale. At least the scene with Chris mourning the loss of her lover was really beautiful, yet short, and it was wholesome to see Leland finally spending time with his sister. On a side note, so the flowers from episode 3 really ended up being important for the story, since it was through the flowers they got to Skinner. Also, I wonder if the formula he wrote on the paper is from an actual substance. Although this finale was disappointing, I still enjoyed it, at least it wasn't enfuriating, they didn't unnecessarily kill any character, so that's good. Overall, I feel like this anime had a lot of potential, but it was wasted in a bunch of episodes that didn't have a clear direction, and started to become repetitive. Until the end of episode 9, I feel like the anime was just stagnant. Sure, there were episodes I still really enjoyed, because this anime captured "the vibe" really well, but the truth is that in the first 9 episodes little to nothing happened. And even in terms of character development, only in the latter episodes that I started to care more about the charecters honestly. And some episodes was just kind hard to watch sometimes, like episode 6, that was, by far, the worst episode of the anime. After episode 9 things started to get a lot better, but it was already late, and it led to this rushed ending. With all the defects the anime has in character development, pacing, story and all, it's a fact that it nailed the "vibe" it was going for, the soundtrack was really good (I personally grew attached to it, because I started using it to study, and it's going well so far), and the animation was super delightful to watch! So, I'm a bit unsure of what score to give this anime, since it's in borderline territory between 6 and 7, but considering how much I ended up enjoying the last few episodes, I'm going for the 7. R.I.P. Skinner, I guess all he wanted was Hersch. |
| It was alright, it had it's episodes here and there but yea this series certainly is no cowboy bebop. It's a shame cause the action was well done and it had some pretty promising characters that looked well and the music was quite nice too but the story is pretty weak, there is not to much to go with and to tell i think. When i first saw the teaser i had some high hopes for it, thought it look pretty badass and given the fact that it was coming from watanabe i was like thinking they could go well with this one but nope just another so so adult swim original. Well at least i will say i think this one i do enjoy more than how i enjoyed ninja kamiu and some of the others, at least this one is a bit up there for me. |
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| My 332nd completed series chronologically. For the record, I extended it a 6/10 rating. |
| - Chinese bro conveniently bringing an anti-aircraft weapon to a fist fight... just in case. - Chinese bro being all angsty with Axel when they don't even know each other (lmao). - Freaking Axel surviving a fall from a crumbling building with a hole in his stomach yet top class chinese Assassin didn't make it. - Army baddies only targeting Axel when all Lazarus members happened to be in the same place when the Army-Hapna-Skinner incident occurred. - Abel dude always knowing the Lazarus members were inmune to Hapna yet he never thought of using their blood to produce a vaccine. - Freaking Abel dude unironically saying it would be a shame to disband Lazarus when the team failed to track down Skinner for practically 10 consecutive episodes (lmao). - Official Hapna vaccine being distributed to the whole world in less than 24 hours with apparently zero casualties. Seriously, among the laziest conclusions to a story I have seen in recent years. At the end of the day, the Assassin subplot was introduced merely to justify a sort of boss fight for the final episode and the resolution regarding Skinner's location couldn't have been more hollow and stupid. Practically around 8 episodes following superficial clues that led to dead ends just for them to reveal in the penultimate episode that their target was at the place they visited back in Ep.3 and apparently never moved from there for the rest of the series. Not to mention they even revealed that Doug actually thought that one of the homeless people did look like Skinner but never cared to share that thought with the others. Bruh... Man, what a terrible show this one ended up being. Aside from the animation and choreography during fights, everything else was a total mess. Writing felt painfully amateurish, main cast was bland and poorly developed, antagonists were all one-dimensional and resolution to most storylines felt underwhelming to say the least. A total waste of resources that could have been better used on another project. 2/10 |
| Although, I had my problems with the show itself. I wish it was a 2-cour production. I still enjoyed it quite a lot. The characters were charming, and I had fun following them around. Would love to see more of them, in whatever media form. RIP Keiko Nobumoto. This was supposed to be your show, but you were never able to do it. I hope you're at peace. |
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| Every single episode, if you wanted to know what's next, all you had to do was ask yourself: What would be the most convenient thing for Lazarus? It is so predictable it becomes childish >Lazarus hacker is busy? just replace her >You need to get somewhere? we built a hiper train for you to ride on >The deadly disease that will kill everyone? yeah all of you guys have a spontaneous genetic mutation that makes you inmune. >You got impaled and an assasin is tracking you? don't worry, we have the best hospital in the world which also happens to be completely secret >Skinner was under our nose the entire time! i can't believe how shocking this is Suspension of disbelief: The anime |
| In the end Lazarus is simple and beautiful... It will stay forever something to remember I love it almost everything. 8.5/10 |
| No way Axel can fight like that. Well, in the end, it looks like Skinner was working with Schneider to actually create a medicine, but Schneider took over the project when they discovered a biological weapon. What a strange way to redeem himself for Skinner. Soryu ended in an unrelated plot and the ending feels very anticlimactic, nothing happened really. |
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| 80% of the episode was just a pointless fight, but the ending made up for it. I wouldn’t say it was that bad overall. |
| It seems like a lot of people are hating on the ending, saying how rushed it was and all. Sure it didn't had the best pace, some episodes felt like the group was running around doing 'pointless' tasks and putting their hunt of Skinner to the side but this was a good watch with fun characters, good action and sweet music. |
| I'd like to say it was a trainwreck, but we started offrails and just plowed through an empty field. Everything about it was horrible, but it was also fascinating and enteraining. Not even the worst show of this type I watched this year, because I saw Akudama Drive two weeks ago... Can we take a minute to appreciate the fact that the rapist creep is somehow a good guy now? 😂 |
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| What a monstrosity of a plot honestly lol. 2/10, only above 1/10 because of the animation |
| It was somewhat painful to watch the fight between Axel and the ghost, knowing the state Axel was in. So the five of them were at that airport that day. And the meaning of "Lazarus" is revealed. Interesting! The police officer was a complete waste until the very end... His appearance in the last episode was too much. Lol I don't know, from the beginning I sort of had the feeling that Skinner would be found (if he was still alive) until the very last moment. Satisfying to see the real bad guys on the losing side of the story. And this seems like a happy ending to me! The strange thing about watching futuristic works... Skinner was born the same year as me. In short; despite the mixed reviews, it managed to entertain me throughout and I feel like I liked it enough. |
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| def not my cup o coffee, and will need jugs to wash it all down. like we could just watch eps 1 n 13, no point for a useless fetch quest twas so anticlimactic there was no point. might as well say the cure was 'shoo pain shoo'. with only a day (at most?) they rapidly made the antivirus to save the world. lets give em the doubt of the benefit and give em a year instead, remember how chaotic the irl antivirus was |
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