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Jun 9, 2017 11:07 AM

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i am honestly trying to start a movement. i hope someone from a studio reads this, therefore i will use a slightly more formal english. for translator sake.

in this day and age, playing 'hard to get' severely decreases business. i know it is better to look abroad for more business opportunities. today, offering much easier access for a global market is the new normal. back in the 90s store shopping was hard because you are limited to how far you are willing to travel. 2000s made it easier with online shopping. 2010 is about cloud.

cloud, like steam, allows us to easily buy stuff. no matter where we are. it allows people everywhere to buy games with no restrictions, and it reduces overall cost. it is far cheaper to store games on a hard drive and send them via internet than it is to produce disks, boxes, then ship them to stores.

i am sure manga can reach a much higher audience with cloud. for example let us look at line webtoon. they are continually growing, offering people beyond japan (for example) to read legal manga online. what if studios can also offer that, but also make it a paid option? it would be far cheaper than printing series and shipping them out. and also, there is a high probability for left over stocks.

anime, in my honest opinion, can reach an even greater audience. i, for example, hate to read in general. modern people do too. i sometimes buy anime, but do not open the box because some of it is in japanese, and also it is easier to watch online. many are also unavailable on amazon. i prefer smaller encode quality (480) since it is enough for modern display monitors, and storing purposes. crunchyroll is always growing, meaning it is very popular. sadly it is region locked. imagine if studios offered world wide coverage, with supported subtitles? i think dubbed versions have also increased.

i also tend to hate online shopping because there are too many factors. for example, fuel cost. fuel cost will always rise, along with it, shipping costs. online shopping also factors in currency, transaction, shipping, bank fees and many more. imagine if cloud service could eliminate many of them, while still offering access to a world wide market.

as for payment model, it is up for ideas. should it be free, pay per series, subscription? how about downloads and encoding quality? and subtitles? a youtube like format would be nice. watchers can pick the preferred quality from the start.

as you can imagine there is a much broader reach than standard disks. if the price is cheap, it would cut down on piracy. if the traffic is high, it would generate ad revenue. if the server is strong, it would produce high customer satisfaction, and more fans.

there is already a high growth in animation (like cartoons) now. netflix are planning to launch animated series (?). from a creative perspective, games look like anime. there are more notable anime movies (kimi no na wa).

hoping people share this idea around and starts discussions. i have exactly 0 ties with the anime/manga industry. i hope someone with notable ties or japanese fluency can push this outwards.

remember

'words spread like wildfire'

notes

i know MAL have some ties because they have 'insider edge' like interviews, promotional videos, and a huge user base.

admin/mods feel free to edit my post for grammer (;P) related issues. grammer iz ded, grammer iz x stinkt.

i also know there are plenty of other anime/manga forums, but this is the only one i visit. please help spread it like its hot ;P
anime/manga version of steam would be awesome - https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1625396
 
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Jun 9, 2017 11:20 AM

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A nice (and much thought of actually) idea.. But I doubt you'll get anyone actually helpful to notice over in here...

You're better off making a thread over at https://boards.4chan.org/a/
I hear some actual studio stuff actually lurks there sometimes.. But it's almost always full of shitposters...
 
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Jun 9, 2017 11:36 AM

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That would never be possible. Older anime are out of buiseness, the only way to obtain them is trough some obscure dvd boxes, that of course, are overpriced as fuck. There's too much legal work to make them profitable again and a new platform for new anime only is useless when such sites already exist. If they could provide licenses for all regions, they would have done that already. Movies are damn lot more restricted than games.

Solution: TAKE A SAIL ON THE HIGH SEAS, AHOY! /not like Japan gives a fuck about whether you watch their anime or not.
 
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Jun 9, 2017 11:37 AM

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Z-Dante said:
A nice (and much thought of actually) idea.. But I doubt you'll get anyone actually helpful to notice over in here...

You're better off making a thread over at https://boards.4chan.org/a/
I hear some actual studio stuff actually lurks there sometimes.. But it's almost always full of shitposters...


So you really did actually read all that stuff?

Mhhh...

4chan...

Interesting...
 
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Jun 9, 2017 11:48 AM

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To a certain extent these services already exist. There are sites like bookwalker.jp (and many others) which sell manga in the form of e-books and nico nico broadcasts anime on their site, they even broadcast some anime related musicals live for which you may have to purchase an online ticket. The only problem is that most of these things have a regional restriction. You may overcome it using a VPN but having to pay them using a non-Japanese credit card may still pose a problem many times.

I wish they would make it open outside Japan. The guys from the post office have lost one of my DVDs once and even the one I had ordered a few weeks ago has been stuck somewhere in the post office for almost 2 weeks now, I've been trying to contact them but they just don't reply. Would definitely be better if I could just buy and have them send the contents over the internet :(

As for piracy is concerned, I'm afraid that it would end up increasing it. Online storage also means that those who actually buy it don't need to rip or scan the contents to pirate it with good quality. Besides most people would not want to pay for something that is freely available for download.

I know sites like ComicWalker and pixivcomics which let you officially read comics for free, the only thing with them is you need to follow them properly since they tend to take down previous chapters as they upload new ones.
 
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Jun 9, 2017 12:51 PM

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yeah, slightly less chaotic than a few years back. sadly both VPNs are blocked. hoping some random passer byer goes ther later.

anything could be possible for more modern sources. for example a paid open source program, an unrivaled oxymoron TBH. unheard of in ye olden days.

its actually a nice LN. 10/10 would read again.



thats what im aiming for, a more global centered audiance for ease of use. the general rule of business is: more victims (customers) = more money. hoping both industries evolve sooner or later.

there are half pirates like me, i pirate before i buy. these 3 were my worst buys; diablo 3, battlefield 3 and simcity 5. if we like it enough we buy it. some pirates do turn from time to time. same thing goes for watching online.

sad thing is i tell my kids to dont pirate stuff. hoping they wont hit me with a 'youre a hypocrite' card -.-
anime/manga version of steam would be awesome - https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1625396
 
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Jun 9, 2017 12:58 PM

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I thought this was about how each studio has a different approach to drawing clouds.
 
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Jun 9, 2017 12:59 PM

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I didn't read it all but you can download some google app to deny region locked restrictions on crunchyroll
 
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Jun 9, 2017 1:03 PM

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Aquamirror said:
That would never be possible. Older anime are out of buiseness, the only way to obtain them is trough some obscure dvd boxes, that of course, are overpriced as fuck. There's too much legal work to make them profitable again and a new platform for new anime only is useless when such sites already exist. If they could provide licenses for all regions, they would have done that already. Movies are damn lot more restricted than games.

Solution: TAKE A SAIL ON THE HIGH SEAS, AHOY! /not like Japan gives a fuck about whether you watch their anime or not.


they actually do, considering they have been fighting western piracy for years and lose tens of millions of dollars each year because of it.
Aria-da-Capo said:
I thought this was about how each studio has a different approach to drawing clouds.


that's the funniest, most innocent thing i've read all day
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Jun 9, 2017 1:20 PM

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to reply to some of the more repliable stuff from the op...

i am honestly trying to start a movement. i hope someone from a studio reads this, therefore i will use a slightly more formal english. for translator sake.
a) i highly doubt someone from an anime-related studio reads this.. especially a japanese one
b) capitalizing your sentences would have been a good start for actually making the post look formal; as it is now it looks unprofesional as fuck

back in the 90s store shopping was hard because you are limited to how far you are willing to travel. 2000s made it easier with online shopping. 2010 is about cloud.
store shopping is similar to online shopping, but online shopping and cloud are totally different things........
unless by 'online shopping' you mean digital goods, and 'cloud' as the server from where you're downloading those things from, but cloud isn't usually used in this context
i think you could buy/download anime off itunes since 2007 or so, but it feels weird to call it 'cloud' as this is basically 'online shopping' but for video files

anime, in my honest opinion, can reach an even greater audience
in the great realm of opinions, i think the opposite - that most people who are able to get into anime are already into it..
as things stand now, i don't think there is a very large untapped market when it comes to anime

imagine if cloud service could eliminate many of them, while still offering access to a world wide market.
a youtube like format would be nice. watchers can pick the preferred quality from the start.

you mean like crunchyroll >______>
or well.. stuff like kiss, 9anime, etc

crunchyroll is always growing, meaning it is very popular. sadly it is region locked. imagine if studios offered world wide coverage, with supported subtitles?
im not too deep into cloud computing, but i don't think "clouds" and "region locks" are mutually exclusive

across my adventures in legal anime streaming discussions, i know of some incentives for legal worldwide streaming
http://www.daisuki.net/ro/en/anime.html#
http://www.viewster.com/genre/58/anime/

but seeing how limited the selection is, i think there are some problems in licensing a large ammount of stuff for worldwide coverage
i think there might be some legal stuff involved that makes anime tv show licensing for a large number of countries prohibitively expensive, and/or that very few studios are willing to give worldwide licenses for their anime just like that

also, the region limit is easy to bypass with "Crunchyroll Unblocker" for Chrome
hope this is not too technical, but i believe CR did a deliberate flaw in their region checking system to allow you to watch anime without actually having an american IP adress (that's how the add-on works basically), because they also know how arbitrary are the region restrictions for licenses

if the price is cheap, it would cut down on piracy. if the traffic is high, it would generate ad revenue. if the server is strong, it would produce high customer satisfaction, and more fans.
citation needed for the 'low prices => cut down on piracy' part
again this is just me, but i think most people who would pay for anime already do, meaning it would also cut into profits
and CR already uses ads which can get ad-blocked

hoping people share this idea around and starts discussions. i have exactly 0 ties with the anime/manga industry. i hope someone with notable ties or japanese fluency can push this outwards.
i hope you realize how unlikely this sounds
if you can't take this idea seriously enough to use proper capitalization, do you really think someone with "notable ties" will?

i know MAL have some ties because they have 'insider edge' like interviews, promotional videos, and a huge user base.
yes they do, but it's a safe assumption that the interviewed people don't browse the forums

admin/mods feel free to edit my post for grammer (;P) related issues. grammer iz ded, grammer iz x stinkt.
lol
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Jun 9, 2017 1:55 PM

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they actually do, considering they have been fighting western piracy for years and lose tens of millions of dollars each year because of it

Nope, Japan fights only domestic piracy. What happens here is done by the publishers who get the rights for western releases.
Nobody loses money from pirates anyway, they don't buy stuff. The only way to fight piracy is to provide better service than them, but so far legal streaming sites fail at this aspect.
 
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Aquamirror said:
Sjo said:
they actually do, considering they have been fighting western piracy for years and lose tens of millions of dollars each year because of it

Nope, Japan fights only domestic piracy. What happens here is done by the publishers who get the rights for western releases.
Nobody loses money from pirates anyway, they don't buy stuff. The only way to fight piracy is to provide better service than them, but so far legal streaming sites fail at this aspect.


this is from a somewhat older article on the matter

The committee consists of top anime and manga studios and distributors including Aniplex, Kadokawa, Good Smile Company, Kodansha, Sunrise, Shueisha, Shogakukan, ShoPro, Studio Ghibli, Tezuka Productions, Toei Animation, TMS Entertainment, Bandai Namco Games, Pierrot, and Bushiroad. Together, they will be targeting 580 sources of illegal content worldwide over the span of the next 5 months. The operation has launched a new website to guide fans to legitimate sites that offer popular titles at a cost of no more than several hundred yen.

According to the METI, over half of anime and manga fans based in the United States watch and read pirated works. The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as $20 billion worldwide. In fact, a popular site used for piracy is ranked 156 in Japan, amongst the very same companies it steals from. This is a huge problem that is growing more and more every year.


be misinformed all you want, but don't spread it.
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Jun 9, 2017 2:16 PM

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Sjo said:
Aquamirror said:

Nope, Japan fights only domestic piracy. What happens here is done by the publishers who get the rights for western releases.
Nobody loses money from pirates anyway, they don't buy stuff. The only way to fight piracy is to provide better service than them, but so far legal streaming sites fail at this aspect.


this is from a somewhat older article on the matter

The committee consists of top anime and manga studios and distributors including Aniplex, Kadokawa, Good Smile Company, Kodansha, Sunrise, Shueisha, Shogakukan, ShoPro, Studio Ghibli, Tezuka Productions, Toei Animation, TMS Entertainment, Bandai Namco Games, Pierrot, and Bushiroad. Together, they will be targeting 580 sources of illegal content worldwide over the span of the next 5 months. The operation has launched a new website to guide fans to legitimate sites that offer popular titles at a cost of no more than several hundred yen.

According to the METI, over half of anime and manga fans based in the United States watch and read pirated works. The estimated cost of damage from online piracy is as much as $20 billion worldwide. In fact, a popular site used for piracy is ranked 156 in Japan, amongst the very same companies it steals from. This is a huge problem that is growing more and more every year.


be misinformed all you want, but don't spread it.

Whatever, they can't do jackshit.
Lol at "cost of damage".
 
Jun 9, 2017 2:20 PM

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i will use a slightly more formal english


I suggest starting with buying a keyboard that has a CAPs key.
Noone's gonna take anyone seriously who can't even respect that.
*darn, using my right hand is off-limits for a while. Typing with my left hand only is ... eww.*
 
Jun 9, 2017 2:29 PM
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BannoBunka_snork said:
i will use a slightly more formal english


I suggest starting with buying a keyboard that has a CAPs key.
Noone's gonna take anyone seriously who can't even respect that.


*crying*

But OP, if you're serious about this, you wouldn't be posting on an anime forum thread as if anyone with power would come across the discussion. MAL is not even one of the most active anime forums, and is still busy enough that this is going to get buried. Not that posting on one of the huge forums is the right thing to do - it isn't.
 
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a. i know, at least i tried. i can at least feel good after an ice cream.

b. the point was to make an informal forum post, not a forum front page headline. also japanese dont have capitalizations, so it wouldnt matter to man nor machine. punctuations matter from time to time.

c. it was a lack of better words really. yeah online shopping = physical shopping, except goods are shipped to you, digital shopping wouldve been the better choice. goods are saved, bought then shipped via internet. although clouds may still work if youre only watching as watching vids are considered services.

d. curiosity killed the cat. lifes more fun with more activities. also, people who think anime = hentai might take a look for themselves.

e. nope, as in YT. they keep the raws and encode on the fly depending on your choice.

f. yeah, its just business most of the time. specific ads wont pay up if the viewers came from abroad, unless agreed to. globally recognized brands are generally nicer than regional companies.
as i said payment methods are up for grabs. be it free like CR, subscriptions like CRpremium, or pay per view/series.
hmm, that addons been alive for a long time, i do agree it seems deliberate.

g. steam sales. who wouldnt be tempted to buy a super duper uber DLC pack they shouldve released at launch, at 1/4th the cost a year later? it pays being a patient gamer. some of them may be pjrates too. id imagine anime discounts work the same way.

h. see a

i. everyone at some point searches their name on the internet, its an unforgettable 'coming of age' tale they wont miss for the world.
also, someone 'notable' in MAL might manage to sneak in a question.

that was a fun discussion :D
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