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| Probably the weakest episode since the 3rd, just a date episode and nothing else. After credit is the best part. |
borderliner said: Swiss_Bohemian said: I agree with you. This word actually fits because he realizes that, in his mind, he sounds like he's talking down to a woman who certainly knows more about this topic than himself. There might be a better English word to convey a similar meaning, but it's not the end of the world and anyone arguing with fancy terms like "woke" or asking the translator to be fired has already lost the argument. Isn't it amazing when people get "triggered" by a silly little word. Oh, and look at all the "mansplaining" about what mansplaining actually means. It is certainly not exclusively a man to woman thing, that's just a symptom of the deeper issues around male dominance in society. People should try this link Signs that you're a Mansplainer for a more enlightened conversation on the breadth of uses for the word I kinda both chuckled and cringed at the same time. Not gonna lie. |
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Swiss_Bohemian said: Darudius said: I want to know exactly from you what 謎のファッション論 means, word for word.Someone's already posted it in this very thread. He basically said he brought up some confusing fashion argument in front of actual pro model (謎のファッション論). Simple as that, aka she knows more, hes not trying to explain it TO HER or how she SHOULD view it. Not even remoletely close to your mansplaining pathetic Americans like to use. Simple as that. 分かる? A panel from the manga without woke bullshit:  |
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That's the fan scanlation; Seven Seas also used "mansplaining" in the official English release so make sure to let them also know how much of an offended snowflake you are when you get a chance. |
Piromysl said: Swiss_Bohemian said: I want to know exactly from you what 謎のファッション論 means, word for word. Simple as that. 分かる? A panel from the manga without woke bullshit: Yeah, and that literal fan translation from boredom makes it now soooooo much better than the official one. I totally agree. (rolleyes). It's time to get the pitchforks. Get rid of your Hi Dive account & burn all existing Seven Seas copies. Send death threats to the translators & publishers. Watch and read in Japanese only, until they fix this. It's high time to show all of 'em what is acceptable in any translation and whatnot. Fans are never wrong. (if you detect any sarcasm, you can keep it for yourself). |
Swiss_Bohemian said: Yeah, and that literal fan translation from boredom makes it now soooooo much better than the official one. I totally agree. (rolleyes). It's time to get the pitchforks. Get rid of your Hi Dive account & burn all existing Seven Seas copies. Send death threats to the translators & publishers. Watch and read in Japanese only, until they fix this. It's high time to show all of 'em what is acceptable in any translation and whatnot. Fans are never wrong. (if you detect any sarcasm, you can keep it for yourself). You're upset over something? Sounds like you need a hug? |
PiromyslJun 4, 2023 11:28 PM
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strayalive said: That's the fan scanlation; Seven Seas also used "mansplaining" in the official English release so make sure to let them also know how much of an offended snowflake you are when you get a chance. You mean the same Seven Seas who is known for borderline rewriting and retconning with their inaccurate translations, literally change the context of the story? I'd take fan translation over their bullshit everytime. Pretty sure you're projecting. |
PiromyslJun 4, 2023 11:01 PM
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I can't for these morons being replaced with AI translators. RaidenYatta said: guess they did it to compile with PG-13 PG13 is american only. Japanese have their own. |
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Swiss_Bohemian said: Well, for a very simple example. put a single racial slur from a language, and you can heavily damage a thousand pages worth of words by implying something about your views on the matter. In this context, the "author" clearly compactuate with the word and even makes the male protagonist use it. It IS a pretty widely criticized misandrist wording in multiple political spectrums whether you agree with that or not. You just don't use it in a translation, unless the authors themselves used them, and you are just being true to the source (which in this case, they didn't and weren't).Danpmss said: You know, I see your point, but I don't agree with it. To me, "mansplaining" is not "hate speech" as you see it and also not proof enough of any "political views" by the translator. It is, at most, a symptom of laziness. Instead of using words such as "Who am I, explaining fashion condenscendingly to this girl who's a pro?", the translator opted for a word which pigeonholes the action of certain men and therefore infuriates many of them. And you know what, who cares? It's not the end of the world. Why getting so incredibly upset about that single word, but not about other chosen by the translator? What kind of bias is that? And Sakurai Norio isn't an angel either. What about Adachi's use of the word 性奴隷 for example? Is that appropriate for a shounen manga, used by a middle schooler?... Not exactly, but that's okay. It's manga after all.It's not a matter of you caring or not about it, or being personally offended or not by it and/or gender politics. It's a matter that this is a terrible, misrepresenting localization, and deserving of being criticized as per personal bias of the responsible. Not even something any Japanese girl, let alone boy would spout or monologue about (case in point). Considering this context, it's more about being accidentally condescending towards someone that clearly is far more apt to even teach you about their stuff, like a soccer club kid telling a senpai from the archery club how arrows work) a far cry from the term chosen I just mentioned. Furthermore, there's the fact it's not there in the first place, it got shoehorned in by the translator's personal political views on the matter, which is what bother most people (NOBODY wants that kind of crap in their translations/localizations, I've seen many get fired over this kind of thing). You just don't insert your views and preferences over someone else's words, you can get a lawsuit on your ass for defamation and potential reputational damages/hedonic damages real quick, even jail time depending of the country. Imagine you write a wholesome manga, and then the translators make the protagonists use a term that represents hate speech towards any sex, nationality, etc..., would you like to be associated by the entire english community (far larger in number, internationally) for writing such a thing? Oh look, it's that author that had his main female character say "Golly, MC-kun would take this the wrong way when I should just know my place and make sandwiches at the kitchen", or something of the sort, to directly contrast the misandry behind the term used here. Because bless this author's ignorance, I would personally be upset and sue (and that could damage their creative process as well, as serialized creators). It's not exactly too minor of a thing as it seems, I would be out of a job if I ever "slipped" that badly. Either way, this whole debate is just blown out of proportion, and knowing how japanese react to any kind of heated debate by foreigners, I'm pretty sure Sakurai would politely respond in tatemae fashion while thinking that foreigners just have different values in general, if she ever got into contact with this debate. A single word can and will be a big problem if their connotation goes toward being demeaning to a selected group of people. That's how this works, it's not blowing anything out of proportion, it's more than fair and square to complain about this sort of situation. But hey, I think this is as far as my point goes, I'll leave it at that, there's nothing else for me to add to this discussion. The episode on itself was great and perfectly well adapted from the manga, I'm more than satisfied with that alone (weren't for the subtitles that a larger portion of others viewers will make use of, and that I do good in keep checking over the years). |
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Piromysl said: Swiss_Bohemian said: Yeah, and that literal fan translation from boredom makes it now soooooo much better than the official one. I totally agree. (rolleyes). It's time to get the pitchforks. Get rid of your Hi Dive account & burn all existing Seven Seas copies. Send death threats to the translators & publishers. Watch and read in Japanese only, until they fix this. It's high time to show all of 'em what is acceptable in any translation and whatnot. Fans are never wrong. (if you detect any sarcasm, you can keep it for yourself). You're upset over something? Sounds like you need a hug? Hey, you're one of those who go on a rampage over a single word, not me. :-) As for a hug, only from Yamada first. You can wait in line. |
| This is too cute... best Christmas date and they're not even going out together yet, this show is getting better and better seriously |
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Raising to 10/10. These two are crazy mismatched, but it's unbelievable how cute this show is. These karte moments are spellbinding. I loved that surreal blue light and music during their walk. This studio truly knows how to make romcom anime (Takagi san too). Nice post credits scene, that "not now" critical hit. This is one of the very few anime I watch in 1x speed all the time.   Ashhk said: This is too cute... best Christmas date and they're not even going out together yet, this show is getting better and better seriously I agree it's gone from ok to pretty good to amazing animejas said: If there was an award for "Most Improved Show" throughout this season or maybe even this year, this show would probably win it. Compared to how it started, it's great to see how it's turned out for the rest of the run, especially in the last few episodes. Yeah it's gotten super strong, hands down my favorite show of the season |
CarbonMDJun 5, 2023 4:58 AM
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Lanz said: Anyone that hadn't got it yet should have realized through the visuals that Yamada doesn't only like Ichikawa because of his personality or whatever He is legitimately cute looking. At least it's portrayed that way Ehh he looks like a creep, stalker and midget as he himself seems to know. The attraction is completely unrealistic. But, I love the show. |
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| I understood the sporadic awkwardness we had in a 9 prior episodes, I was even okay taking that in those small amounts, but this episode was peak... awkwardness, too many cringe stuff happening, I feel sorry for those that think this event would happen irl. |
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Piromysl said: I don't think that word means what you think it means...Pretty sure you're projecting. Danpmss said: Hi, man here. I don't consider "mansplaining" offensive or misandrist at all. Please don't speak for me, thanks.A single word can and will be a big problem if their connotation goes toward being demeaning to a selected group of people. |
strayalive said: Piromysl said: I don't think that word means what you think it means...Pretty sure you're projecting. You want to tell me, that going on an emotional ramble and calling someone a "snowflake" is not a projection? Ok, then... |
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Swiss_Bohemian said: Hey, you're one of those who go on a rampage over a single word, not me. :-) As for a hug, only from Yamada first. You can wait in line. I made an objectively correct statement once, you wilfully refuse to take an L. Big distinction. |
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mr_simp2000 said: oooo3333 said: Im sorry, but the MC is in the friendzone with Yamada. If he confesses, Yamada will friendzone him. me a manga reader reading what you just said. 🤡 I actually though that this is exactly what she meant with "not yet". |
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Piromysl said: Huh? I'm calling you a snowflake because you're acting like a snowflake. There's no deeper mystery.You want to tell me, that going on an emotional ramble and calling someone a "snowflake" is not a projection? Ok, then... As far as some kind of "emotional ramble" maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? All I did was link the Seven Seas panel and point you in their direction. |
strayalive said: Piromysl said: Huh? I'm calling you a snowflake because you're acting like a snowflake. There's no deeper mystery.You want to tell me, that going on an emotional ramble and calling someone a "snowflake" is not a projection? Ok, then... As far as some kind of "emotional ramble" maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? All I did was link the Seven Seas panel and point you in their direction. And all I did was to accurately point out that Seven Seas is known for deliberately mistranslating material in order to shoehorn their political beliefs. Sometimes they even completely change the context of the story. They try to defend it by claiming "localization", but what they do by it is rewrite characters. That's the most blatant disrespect of an author possible. You could literally slap the panel in google translate and it would be more valuable. It's really baffling to me, that it needs to even be said, that translation should literally convey what author had in mind. Stay mad while looking in the mirror. 👍 |
PiromyslJun 5, 2023 6:20 AM
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| This series is just consistently adorable. Never falling off just getting better and better. |
| Yuritopia FTW!!!!!!!!! BANZAI TO YURI !!!!!!!!!!!! |
Piromysl said: strayalive said: Huh? I'm calling you a snowflake because you're acting like a snowflake. There's no deeper mystery. As far as some kind of "emotional ramble" maybe you have me mixed up with someone else? All I did was link the Seven Seas panel and point you in their direction. And all I did was to accurately point out that Seven Seas is known for deliberately mistranslating material in order to shoehorn their political beliefs. Sometimes they even completely change the context of the story. They try to defend it by claiming "localization", but what they do by it is rewrite characters. That's the most blatant disrespect of an author possible. You could literally slap the panel in google translate and it would be more valuable. It's really baffling to me, that it needs to even be said, that translation should literally convey what author had in mind. Stay mad while looking in the mirror. 👍 The biggest controversy I'm aware of with Seven Seas was actually them deleting a paragraph about "gender politics" in Japan from ILTV. Kinda surprised you don't consider that a 'W' all things considered. Without political bias "mansplaining" conveys the author's intent perfectly fine... though I'm kinda puzzled how some people see Ichi, since yesterday I saw someone say he should be instead be translated with 4chan slang. He may be chuuni and a serial killer enthusiast but he's got some sense of style and savvy as well... probably helps he's got a hipster sister. Stupid topics aside we should get a lot more Kana the next couple of episodes which I'm really looking forward to. |
| oh good lord! another romantically excellent peak episode! i had a lot of giggles! and that was a pretty sweet date! and oh! another steamy kinky scene on the dressing room! GUHEHE! 5/5. |
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strayalive said: The biggest controversy I'm aware of with Seven Seas was actually them deleting a paragraph about "gender politics" in Japan from ILTV. Kinda surprised you don't consider that a 'W' all things considered. Without political bias "mansplaining" conveys the author's intent perfectly fine... though I'm kinda puzzled how some people see Ichi, since yesterday I saw someone say he should be instead be translated with 4chan slang. He may be chuuni and a serial killer enthusiast but he's got some sense of style and savvy as well... probably helps he's got a hipster sister. Their actually recent (not even biggest) controversy was literally rewriting one of the protagonist of Koisuru (Otome) no Tsukurikata to fit their political biases and they apologized only after severe backlash after even author called them out. And here we are supposed to believe, that quiet kid, who was literally plotting a murder of his classmate, suddenly became a feminist and is using a term that only misandrist are using unironically, while in fact his personality resembles more that of a 4chan dweller. Laughable and bullshit. That's literally a slap in the face of an author. |
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Piromysl said: You're just arguing your own bias here though, based on episode 1 Ichi and your own political beliefs.And here we are supposed to believe, that quiet kid, who was literally plotting a murder of his classmate, suddenly became a feminist and is using a term that only misandrist are using unironically, while in fact his personality resembles more that of a 4chan dweller. I don't know if you've read the manga or not but if you want Ichi to be a self insert protagonist you're probably going to be disappointed. |
strayalive said: You're just arguing your own bias here though, based on episode 1 Ichi and your own political beliefs. I don't know if you've read the manga or not but if you want Ichi to be a self insert protagonist you're probably going to be disappointed. No, I'm arguing an objective fact, of Ichikawa never using that word in the source material, him using him in the translation is completely out of character, which is the result of localizers shoehorning their biases. It is not debatable. |
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Piromysl said: Claiming "out of character" is subjective, we already went over this. Moreover you're not presenting anything from the story as evidence, you just keep arguing "bias".No, I'm arguing an objective fact, of Ichikawa never using that word in the source material, him using him in the translation is completely out of character, which is the result of localizers shoehorning their biases. It is not debatable. |
strayalive said: Piromysl said: Claiming "out of character" is subjective, we already went over this.No, I'm arguing an objective fact, of Ichikawa never using that word in the source material, him using him in the translation is completely out of character, which is the result of localizers shoehorning their biases. It is not debatable. You may have your own headcounts, but deliberately mistranslating and insulting the creator is not subjective. |
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Piromysl said: Sauce? Did you tweet Norio-sensei to find out if she's insulted? Let me know how that goes.You may have your own headcounts, but deliberately mistranslating and insulting the creator is not subjective. |
strayalive said: Piromysl said: Sauce? Did you tweet Norio-sensei to find out if she's insulted? Let me know how that goes.You may have your own headcounts, but deliberately mistranslating and insulting the creator is not subjective. So now I'm supposed to deliver some sort of evidence, despite literally any creator would consider rewriting their own characters as an insult? |
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Piromysl said: Shouldn't that make evidence easy to find? Wake me up when you find some.So now I'm supposed to deliver some sort of evidence, despite literally any creator would consider rewriting their own characters as an insult? |
| Holy hell, this was sweet! I love those two dorks! |
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| Let me say this I never liked the mc hell I would even go saying I don't like him, he's pathetic and annoying |
RedChromeJun 5, 2023 1:11 PM
doesntmatter93 said: I need it coz I can never understand what so appealing about this bsIDK who needs to hear this but the date was awfull. The whole thing from start to finish. It only lasted so long because Yamada made a lot and i mean A LOT of effort to keep it going. I don't understand why everyone sees this and thinks it was good or nice or whatever else but just look at how many lines whatever the shy-shota is called had for an entire day... He had maybe 5-6 times where he talked and half of those lines were some mumble bs that meant nothing and nobody else could hear. Imagine going on a date with someone that refuses to look at you for the entire day and mumbles shit all the time and says almost nothing for more than 3-4 hours, or treats you like he is embarassed to be seen in public with you, and pulls away from you all the time and does nothing but stare at his feet. Just think how you would feel after a couple of hours with such a person. I hope they never write something like this again but this comes from Japan so at this point i am dissapointed with myself for expecting to see a good story with properly fleshed out characters that are not wimps bing rewarded for being creeps and stalkers and spineless. |
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