Manaban said: I don't really give a shit about Clannad. I've never watched it, and honestly, I'm not really interested in doing so. It could be total dogshit that I wouldn't want associated with the genre because of its lack of quality, for all I know. Mean score is high, but if H&E fans followed mean score we'd be missing out on a lot of great stuff in these genres. My issue is that I dislike your dismissal of the omnibus harem format because I find it limiting to how a harem can present itself structurally. I agreed with Dekn on it one time under a similar premise. Trying to make the jump from "The omnibus structure is still valid for being considered a harem anime" into "You just want this show you couldn't possibly care less about to be included as a harem so you can improve the genre's brand!" is a bit silly. No offense but I am not surprised that you're not interested in Clannad. I doubt it appeals to much of the H&E group who I assume are primarily interested in T&A, not feels & tears. I do think it's kinda odd that someone who fights so hard to put the "omnibus structure" under the harem tent has never even watched the flagship example of that formula, a story that is commonly said to have changed people's lives for the better. Go figure. As for that silly thing I said...well it was just an impression I got from things you said but it's too much work to read through this thread to find specific quotes. |
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Kami_sama_ said: If the harem is used to create a more intriguing story (e.g. Steins Gate) than I don't mind. However, if the entire basis of the anime is seeing a guy figuratively taste-testing a variety of girls before he picks 'best' one than I will probably dislike it. Uhhh Steins Gate you said? by harem you mean Makise Kurisu and...? |
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epidemia78 said: No offense but I am not surprised that you're not interested in Clannad. I doubt it appeals to much of the H&E group who I assume are primarily interested in T&A, not feels & tears. I do think it's kinda odd that someone who fights so hard to put the "omnibus structure" under the harem tent has never even watched the flagship example of that formula, a story that is commonly said to have changed people's lives for the better. Go figure. As for that silly thing I said...well it was just an impression I got from things you said but it's too much work to read through this thread to find specific quotes. I've never heard it talked about as a flagship of anything related to H&E, and honestly, I'm not even that into the omnibus format. I prefer standard a lot more. You just keep running into me on the topic because the omnibus format is still a valid structure for harem series. And nobody who I've talked to about omnibus harems, except you, disagrees with that, so I'm not fighting hard to put anything under the banner. It's already there. You just try to deny that it's already there, with the already acknowledged reason that you don't want one of your favorite series to be tagged as a harem or considered one because you feel like it'd tarnish its reputation. Which is dumb. epidemia78 said: As for that silly thing I said...well it was just an impression I got from things you said but it's too much work to read through this thread to find specific quotes. I don't feel like I argue with people to improve H&E's brand as genres and don't really talk about that, so I don't know where that's coming from. I argue these topics because I'm a spiteful asshole who knows more about this area of anime/manga than they do and I have time to kill sometimes. I also enjoy talking about it. That helps. |
ManabanApr 28, 2020 5:02 AM
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Manaban said: epidemia78 said: No offense but I am not surprised that you're not interested in Clannad. I doubt it appeals to much of the H&E group who I assume are primarily interested in T&A, not feels & tears. I do think it's kinda odd that someone who fights so hard to put the "omnibus structure" under the harem tent has never even watched the flagship example of that formula, a story that is commonly said to have changed people's lives for the better. Go figure. As for that silly thing I said...well it was just an impression I got from things you said but it's too much work to read through this thread to find specific quotes. I've never heard it talked about as a flagship of anything related to H&E, and honestly, I'm not even that into the omnibus format. I prefer standard a lot more. You just keep running into me on the topic because the omnibus format is still a valid structure for harem series. And nobody who I've talked to about omnibus harems, except you, disagrees with that, so I'm not fighting hard to put anything under the banner. It's already there. You just try to deny that it's already there. Most "omnibus harems" are VN/galgame adaptations. These games are not about multiple girls competing for the attention of one guy. They're dating simulators that sometimes only have one girl. That's where the story structure comes from, seems more like harem when in anime form and the multiple routes and player choice are extracted from the equation. Clannad is without a doubt the most famous and beloved of all of them. I am certain if you talked to Clannad fans most of them would disagree that it's part of the same lineage as Tenchi Muyo or To Love Ru. |
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epidemia78 said: Most "omnibus harems" are VN/galgame adaptations. These games are not about multiple girls competing for the attention of one guy. They're dating simulators that sometimes only have one girl. That's where the story structure comes from, seems more like harem when in anime form and the multiple routes and player choice are extracted from the equation. It seems that way because it is . The source material doesn't define the genres of the adaptation. They are not one in the same, and depending on how its adapted, the parameters can change significantly. Is the super fanservice heavy manga adaptation of Shinsekai Yori no longer an ecchi because it's adapted from a decisively non-ecchi source? The fact that it is an ecchi is a huge reason why the fanbase for SSY dislikes it so much. Because it's an ecchi. They didn't like it for being an ecchi series and a lot of them are convinced that it undermines the type of themes they enjoyed it for because it's such. Adaptations are adaptations. Not the same. Changes happen. epidemia78 said: Clannad is without a doubt the most famous and beloved of all of them. I am certain if you talked to Clannad fans most of them would disagree that it's part of the same lineage as Tenchi Muyo or To Love Ru. I just want to say "Ok" to this but I worry that wouldn't emphasize how little I care about what they want it to be considered tbh Some Monogatari fans get obnoxious about refusing to call the series a harem, even though it fits the metric in a standard format pretty decisively, primarily because they don't want it associated with the genre and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to deny as much. They're infamous for that. I do not care. It's a fucking harem. They like a fucking harem. They have to deal with it, and if considering it such completely undermines how much they enjoyed the series then they probably didn't give a shit about it in the first place because it's a fucking tag to indicate the presence of a type of content and that's it. If they're less concerned about how it spoke to them and how much it means to them and are more concerned with having an easier time spreading it to people and getting people to watch it, then fuck them. Their problems are stupid and they should stop treating consumerism like a fucking religion they have to proselytize. |
ManabanApr 28, 2020 5:16 AM
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Manaban said: epidemia78 said: Most "omnibus harems" are VN/galgame adaptations. These games are not about multiple girls competing for the attention of one guy. They're dating simulators that sometimes only have one girl. That's where the story structure comes from, seems more like harem when in anime form and the multiple routes and player choice are extracted from the equation. It seems that way because it is . The source material doesn't define the genres of the adaptation. They are not one in the same, and depending on how its adapted, the parameters can change significantly. Is the super fanservice heavy manga adaptation of Shinsekai Yori no longer an ecchi because it's adapted from a decisively non-ecchi source? The fact that it is an ecchi is a huge reason why the fanbase for SSY dislikes it so much. Because it's an ecchi. They didn't like it for being an ecchi series and a lot of them are convinced that it undermines the type of themes they enjoyed it for because it's such. Adaptations are adaptations. Not the same. Changes happen. epidemia78 said: Clannad is without a doubt the most famous and beloved of all of them. I am certain if you talked to Clannad fans most of them would disagree that it's part of the same lineage as Tenchi Muyo or To Love Ru. I just want to say "Ok" to this but I worry that wouldn't emphasize how little I care about what they want it to be considered tbh Some Monogatari fans get obnoxious about refusing to call the series a harem, even though it fits the metric in a standard format pretty decisively, primarily because they don't want it associated with the genre and do all kinds of mental gymnastics to try to deny as much. They're infamous for that. I do not care. It's a fucking harem. They like a fucking harem. They have to deal with it, and if considering it such completely undermines how much they enjoyed the series then they probably didn't give a shit about it in the first place because it's a fucking tag to indicate the presence of a type of content and that's it. If they're less concerned about how it spoke to them and how much it means to them and are more concerned with having an easier time spreading it to people and getting people to watch it, then fuck them. Their problems are stupid and they should stop treating consumerism like a fucking religion they have to proselytize. I'm just gonna say this debate over genres reminds me a lot about my experiences in the heavy metal fandom online. There's a ton of subgenres and for those who don't know what they're talking about, it might all seem like the same thing. If someone asks for Black metal recommendations you don't link them to Death metal. Death metal is primarily about heaviness and extremity. Black metal is primarily about creating an atmosphere. Even though they are similar to an outsider, there's a huge difference. |
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epidemia78 said: I'm just gonna say this debate over genres reminds me a lot about my experiences in the heavy metal fandom online. There's a ton of subgenres and for those who don't know what they're talking about, it might all seem like the same thing. If someone asks for Black metal recommendations you don't link them to Death metal. Death metal is primarily about heaviness and extremity. Black metal is primarily about creating an atmosphere. Even though they are similar to an outsider, there's a huge difference. Except metal genres tend to go into incredible specifics and we're just talking about a subgenre that's defined by having a type of narrative structure. Instead of every girl at once, it's one girl at a time. Nothing about atmosphere, nothing about heaviness and extremity. Nothing that specific or restrictive. And it's one subgenre. That nobody ever made a big deal about existing beyond passing acknowledgement sometimes until you showed up and tried dismissing it as a type of harem anime wholesale because you're scared Clannad might fall under that and it'd make it look bad, which is such an irrational basis for a stance that I'm surprised you're so open about it. It's not complicated. It's not specific. It's mind-boggling that I'm even here having this conversation with you and the existence of one subgenre is enough for you to compare it to fucking metal genres. |
ManabanApr 28, 2020 9:17 AM
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Manaban said: Except metal genres tend to go into incredible specifics and we're just talking about a subgenre that's defined by having a type of narrative structure. Instead of every girl at once, it's one girl at a time. Nothing about atmosphere, nothing about heaviness and extremity. Nothing that specific or restrictive. And it's one subgenre. That nobody ever made a big deal about existing beyond passing acknowledgement sometimes until you showed up and tried dismissing it as a type of harem anime wholesale because you're scared Clannad might fall under that and it'd make it look bad, which is such an irrational basis for a stance that I'm surprised you're so open about it. It's not complicated. It's not specific. It's mind-boggling that I'm even here having this conversation with you and the existence of one subgenre is enough for you to compare it to fucking metal genres. Are massive differences in the types of stories that are told and the feelings they evoke of no importance? It is way more specific than just "narrative structure". It goes right down to the very essence, the heart and soul of the story. I am not concerned about Clannad "nakige" style shows being tainted with the harem label BTW. It's not like they're really making nakige/harem anymore these days. I guess it's evolved into stuff like Violet Evergarden and other tear-jerkers. None of this really matters...I just like talking to you, I guess. Oh and I think my black/death metal comparison is a stroke of genius. It is so very apt. Black metal is more serious and death metal is more fun. Black metal has more artistic integrity than death metal or at least that's what the fans of it would like to think. (Fans like me) Yes, black metal is the pinnacle of heavy metal art just as Clannad is something that only anime connoisseurs could ever truly appreciate. |
epidemia78Apr 28, 2020 10:06 AM
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Brinxen said: I'm not gonna entertain this bullshit any longer. I'm here to talk about and watch the type of shit I wanna watch, and there's no reason for me to be taking any shit from you for it. This works both ways of course. That's not gonna stop me from giving you shit as much as it stopped you. This is the first time I have personally dealt with a stuck up anime fan like you. Yeah sure come up with some snarky shit like "Im addin this to my profile haha" or "It's not even worth that", but Imma take this as a lesson to never try and discuss shit with someone THIS unlikeable. I came here to relax and talk about shit I like and want. I feel like I've strayed far from that goal and got suckered into fighting with anime purists with an pointless ego instead. I'm gonna go ahead and remove myself instead of getting heated further. Goodbye. Whenever I get responses like this, I feel more vindicated in my role as MAL's equivalent to the asshole blonde kid from the Karate Kid H&E Cobra Kai when |
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| @Brinxen Im sorry for taking so long but I only now got homer to type on my computer after work and visiting friends Brinxen said: Ah ok a fellow harem ecchi fan nice nice Actually, I really like the ecchi and harem genre. It's almost all I watch sometimes. Maybe it's just the type of anime I chose, but a good lot of them had very boring MCs that don't bring much to the table other than just get into the situation with the girls. Even after that, it's up to the girls to make the scenario interesting. This formula would work of course, but it gets stale fast. I've seen anime where the MC is done pretty well. Aho Girl, Tejina Senpai, Bokuben, Eromanga sensei etc. I'm not saying all this because I hate the genre, but because I want more of this kind of anime, you see?  I don't think its a problem of it getting stale per say. I think its your brain perhaps getting bored because of the lack variety since as said its all you watch at times. Even being a harem fan myself its not the only thing I watch in long periods of time since Id get bored and unmotivated despite it being one of my fav type of series and liking all the tropes and cliches that should be there according to my own expectations along with personal preference I don't think its a matter of what anime you chose also. Think its just a matter of preference and personal expectations which isn't being met which Ive been saying too much now. I certainly feels like that at least because think this the first time Ive ever seen anyone speak well of the main character from Eromanga Sensei so certainly out there kind of taste if I say |
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| Harem is definitely not my cup of tea, I have watched perhaps 3 or 4 shows that have some elements of the genre (Clannad, Kanon, Monogatari series) but otherwise I have always kept my distance from it. But right now I am reading Genji Monogatari, the first novel ever written that is considered a classic even today, which had a huge influence on japanese literature, art and culture over the centuries and the first novel that is staturated in mono no aware that most of us anime fans so much like in a lot of SOL anime (in like Aria, Mushishi, K-ON, Non non Biyori, Girls' Last Tour, Only Yesterday and so on). And the funny thing I have found reading it is that Genji monogatari is in a sense (among other things) a harem written by a woman to other noble ladies. Of course it is because in the Heian era it was accepted that a japanese noble had a lot of wifes, concubines and lovers and a huge part of the story is therefore about the main guy relationship with his ladies. And considering its impact on the japanese culture that maybe explain where it comes from that this genre is so prevalant in the japanese anime culture in contrast to the western cartoons. |
IshitatesoApr 28, 2020 10:49 PM
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| I haven’t watched any in a long time. Here and there I think about continuing Monogatari, but the mood never hits me. Karekano is sitting in my on-hold list if I want a romcom, and sports series are satisfying the thirst for the type of character interactions I tend to enjoy in drama harems and such. @epidemia78 (@Manaban) I feel like harem and ecchi are smashed together so often that’s it’s easy to forget they aren’t the same genre. Harems are shows where a character is surrounded by numerous potential romantic or sexual interests. Ecchi happens to fit with that structure really easily, but it’s not a necessity at all. Clannad is a dramatic harem; Toradora is a romcom harem; Akatsuki no Yona is an adventure (reverse) harem; and Love Hina is an ecchi harem. The harem is just a structural element. It doesn’t dictate the amount of story or fanservice. Clannad is a harem. Full stop. Ditto for Kanon, Little Busters!, and Air. And I can say that as someone who both doesn’t care much for harems as a structural element and likes Clannad. I even played the PG version of the VN ages ago. It’s the same as any other harem VN: You pick the girl you want to pursue and make your choices based on that. Clannad’s first season follows the omnibus route, which is included in the VN and doubles as Nagisa’s route for the first half of said VN. After Story branches off to focus on Nagisa almost exclusively in both. I really don’t know why it’s so hard to get past this with some people. No, Clannad is not going to be an easy shill for me to like 80%-90% of the people I know, but I’m not substantially more likely to be able to get them to watch any other anime either unless it’s something like a Ghibli film. I don’t get why it matters, and I’ve long gotten over the idea that saying Clannad is a good show will make you look like whatever the heck liking Clannad is supposed to make you look like. That’s just immature. I feel like I can slightly (slightly) empathize with Monogatari fans more since it’s actually ecchi on top of being a harem and I can somewhat understand not wanting to be associated with ecchi, but it’s honestly way more tame then a ton of crap on Western TV. If your friends watch Game of Thrones or The Witcher, for example, then they have no room to say crap about Monogatari or a number of other shows. Just get over it or get better friends imo. A good show is a good show. |
TripleSRankApr 29, 2020 12:05 AM
| Well, personally i don't prefer Harems. But, i would accept it or more say watch it, if there is a sense in the harem. Not just, all the women/men like him/her for no sense but they like him/her with some reasoning. I don't need concrete reasoning but something even minute would be fine. Anyways, many a times its for Fan Service. What matters to me in the end, is THE STORY. That's all. |
| Harems differ greatly, some are terrible (My Little Sister is Amongst Them or Ladies Vs Butlers) & others are brilliant (Oreshura, To Love Ru, Campione or Hoshizora A Bridge to the Starry Skies), and then some are in between (Oregairu or Haganai). I'm not sure I could sit through all 4 series of Highschool DxD anymore, or make myself watch Rosario Vampire, Saekano, Kiss X Sis or The Testament of Sister New Devil series, as I watched them all almost a decade ago. At some point after watching a lot of harem/ecchi series, I feel like I've just had enough of poorly written stories that use sex appeal and fan service to cover up all the plot holes and lack of character development. That said there seems to be a phase of wholesome harem like The Quintessential Quintuplets & Bokuben: We Never Learn, which sound interesting and series I do want to check out. The Quintessential Quintuplets apparently starts the story off showing the MC marrying one of the girls, although the identity is hidden, so you at least know there is romantic progression to look forward to, something I got sick of in most harem series where you only get a confession of love and hand holding at the very end of the series! However, there are still under-rated harem series out there that I find worth watching. I've recently seen Freezing, Armed Girl's Machiavellism & Girls Bravo, which I would all recommend. |
23feanorApr 29, 2020 2:40 AM
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StormShaun said: The series? Nah. Doesn't float my boat. The doujin? Now that's where it excels. Especially for a series like To-Love Ru. At least everyone gets something in the porn. My favorite part of you as a person is that your opinions are so one-dimensional that the only time I see you is when you're reiterating the opinion that you've made your signature. Think the next step is to get it tattooed on your back or something - I SWEAR I DON'T LIKE HAREMS BUT DOUJINS ARE REALLY, REALLY GOOD. PLEASE DON'T THINK I LIKE THESE THINGS THAT I REVOLVE PRETTY MUCH MY ENTIRE SELF-PRESENTATION ON THIS SITE AROUND. |
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TripleSRank said: I haven’t watched any in a long time. Here and there I think about continuing Monogatari, but the mood never hits me. Karekano is sitting in my on-hold list if I want a romcom, and sports series are satisfying the thirst for the type of character interactions I tend to enjoy in drama harems and such. @epidemia78 (@Manaban) I feel like harem and ecchi are smashed together so often that’s it’s easy to forget they aren’t the same genre. Harems are shows where a character is surrounded by numerous potential romantic or sexual interests. Ecchi happens to fit with that structure really easily, but it’s not a necessity at all. Clannad is a dramatic harem; Toradora is a romcom harem; Akatsuki no Yona is an adventure (reverse) harem; and Love Hina is an ecchi harem. The harem is just a structural element. It doesn’t dictate the amount of story or fanservice. Clannad is a harem. Full stop. Ditto for Kanon, Little Busters!, and Air. And I can say that as someone who both doesn’t care much for harems as a structural element and likes Clannad. I even played the PG version of the VN ages ago. It’s the same as any other harem VN: You pick the girl you want to pursue and make your choices based on that. Clannad’s first season follows the omnibus route, which is included in the VN and doubles as Nagisa’s route for the first half of said VN. After Story branches off to focus on Nagisa almost exclusively in both. I really don’t know why it’s so hard to get past this with some people. No, Clannad is not going to be an easy shill for me to like 80%-90% of the people I know, but I’m not substantially more likely to be able to get them to watch any other anime either unless it’s something like a Ghibli film. I don’t get why it matters, and I’ve long gotten over the idea that saying Clannad is a good show will make you look like whatever the heck liking Clannad is supposed to make you look like. That’s just immature. I feel like I can slightly (slightly) empathize with Monogatari fans more since it’s actually ecchi on top of being a harem and I can somewhat understand not wanting to be associated with ecchi, but it’s honestly way more tame then a ton of crap on Western TV. If your friends watch Game of Thrones or The Witcher, for example, then they have no room to say crap about Monogatari or a number of other shows. Just get over it or get better friends imo. A good show is a good show. I think the great Key triumvirate Clannad, Kanon, and Little Busters has a hell of a lot more in common with non-harem shows like Violet Evergarden, Your Lie in April and Plastic Memories than they do with harem shows like Oreshura, Highschool DxD or Haganai. If there's a legit harem that is even half as emotionally resonant as the aformentioned Key adaptations, I would love to hear about it. |
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-Aincrad- said: Harem is childish cringe crap(well, like 95% of them). And if a harem is ecchi too(and it is 80% of the time), then it's pure garbage. I don't like using words like crap and garbage, but that's how I can describe them. To be fair, quite a number of your favorite and high rated shows have harem elements. You are clearly a man of culture who appreciates the finer things in life such as sexy and cute anime girls so the harem genre is probably less crap than you think it is. |
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epidemia78 said: -Aincrad- said: Harem is childish cringe crap(well, like 95% of them). And if a harem is ecchi too(and it is 80% of the time), then it's pure garbage. I don't like using words like crap and garbage, but that's how I can describe them. To be fair, quite a number of your favorite and high rated shows have harem elements. You are clearly a man of culture who appreciates the finer things in life such as sexy and cute anime girls so the harem genre is probably less crap than you think it is. Well, when speaking of harem, I mean where there are at least 3 female characters around the MC, and they all want him. And that always results is childish fights between the female characters, and cringe moments, which I just cannot handle. And when ecchi comes with all this, that's just too much. Extremely awkward moments every 5 minutes, random *ss and boob shots for no reason etc Like yeah, I did see a few harem anime, and liked them, but they were some exceptions. In general, I don't have good experience with harem anime. But many consider Steins;Gate a harem too, but for me, that is really not one. Simply having several female characters is not a harem for me yet. |
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-Aincrad- said: epidemia78 said: To be fair, quite a number of your favorite and high rated shows have harem elements. You are clearly a man of culture who appreciates the finer things in life such as sexy and cute anime girls so the harem genre is probably less crap than you think it is. Well, when speaking of harem, I mean where there are at least 3 female characters around the MC, and they all want him. And that always results is childish fights between the female characters, and cringe moments, which I just cannot handle. And when ecchi comes with all this, that's just too much. Extremely awkward moments every 5 minutes, random *ss and boob shots for no reason etc Like many consider Steins;Gate a harem too, but for me, that is really not one. No, Steins;Gate is not a harem but the male/female ratio is way out of balance and I think it's safe to say all of the girls have a thing for Okabe. Shield Hero has a similar dynamic... If the upcoming second season doesn't include new female members to Naofumi's crew I will be genuinely surprised. Most of the harems I've seen, the girls are all pretty friendly with one another. This idea that they're always fighting sounds like something people who have never watched the genre would say. |
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epidemia78 said: -Aincrad- said: Well, when speaking of harem, I mean where there are at least 3 female characters around the MC, and they all want him. And that always results is childish fights between the female characters, and cringe moments, which I just cannot handle. And when ecchi comes with all this, that's just too much. Extremely awkward moments every 5 minutes, random *ss and boob shots for no reason etc Like many consider Steins;Gate a harem too, but for me, that is really not one. No, Steins;Gate is not a harem but the male/female ratio is way out of balance and I think it's safe to say all of the girls have a thing for Okabe. Shield Hero has a similar dynamic... If the upcoming second season doesn't include new female members to Naofumi's crew I will be genuinely surprised. Most of the harems I've seen, the girls are all pretty friendly with one another. This idea that they're always fighting sounds like something people who have never watched the genre would say. Well, I have not watched many harem, but the ones I have, were actually like I described. That's why I'm avoiding every single anime that has the harem genre. Maybe most harem anime are not actually like that, maybe I just happened to pick the worse ones, but they really made me hate the genre. |
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epidemia78 said: TripleSRank said: I haven’t watched any in a long time. Here and there I think about continuing Monogatari, but the mood never hits me. Karekano is sitting in my on-hold list if I want a romcom, and sports series are satisfying the thirst for the type of character interactions I tend to enjoy in drama harems and such. @epidemia78 (@Manaban) I feel like harem and ecchi are smashed together so often that’s it’s easy to forget they aren’t the same genre. Harems are shows where a character is surrounded by numerous potential romantic or sexual interests. Ecchi happens to fit with that structure really easily, but it’s not a necessity at all. Clannad is a dramatic harem; Toradora is a romcom harem; Akatsuki no Yona is an adventure (reverse) harem; and Love Hina is an ecchi harem. The harem is just a structural element. It doesn’t dictate the amount of story or fanservice. Clannad is a harem. Full stop. Ditto for Kanon, Little Busters!, and Air. And I can say that as someone who both doesn’t care much for harems as a structural element and likes Clannad. I even played the PG version of the VN ages ago. It’s the same as any other harem VN: You pick the girl you want to pursue and make your choices based on that. Clannad’s first season follows the omnibus route, which is included in the VN and doubles as Nagisa’s route for the first half of said VN. After Story branches off to focus on Nagisa almost exclusively in both. I really don’t know why it’s so hard to get past this with some people. No, Clannad is not going to be an easy shill for me to like 80%-90% of the people I know, but I’m not substantially more likely to be able to get them to watch any other anime either unless it’s something like a Ghibli film. I don’t get why it matters, and I’ve long gotten over the idea that saying Clannad is a good show will make you look like whatever the heck liking Clannad is supposed to make you look like. That’s just immature. I feel like I can slightly (slightly) empathize with Monogatari fans more since it’s actually ecchi on top of being a harem and I can somewhat understand not wanting to be associated with ecchi, but it’s honestly way more tame then a ton of crap on Western TV. If your friends watch Game of Thrones or The Witcher, for example, then they have no room to say crap about Monogatari or a number of other shows. Just get over it or get better friends imo. A good show is a good show. I think the great Key triumvirate Clannad, Kanon, and Little Busters has a hell of a lot more in common with non-harem shows like Violet Evergarden, Your Lie in April and Plastic Memories than they do with harem shows like Oreshura, Highschool DxD or Haganai. If there's a legit harem that is even half as emotionally resonant as the aformentioned Key adaptations, I would love to hear about it. You named two ecchis and a romcom. Clannad is a drama (as are the other KEY adaptations), so it’s natural for there to be differences in “emotional resonance”. Being a drama or a comedy or an ecchi series has nothing to do with whether a show is a harem, which Clannad and co. assuredly are. There is no “legit”. A harem is a harem is a harem seven days a week, twenty four hours a day. You can throw whatever other genres you want on top of it; it won’t make it less of a harem. |
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