MortalMelancholy said: Oh well then you're kinda out of luck there. If you want that gory, moe horror than good luck finding it. There's not a lot out there I don't think.amk_2397 said: *cough Gakkou Gurashi cough* 30charactersRULZ Is that really horror? I went through quite a bit of the manga without seeing any of the sort. What I really want is something more like Higurashi though. |
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CapitalistGod said: If I remember right, it was good old Miyazaki the one who started the trending with the "anime was a mistake" line who the people understood wrong.Illyricus said: Wasn't that phrase a meme in the first place rather than a reality? There's a reason why a *meme* like this exists. I can only think of people with stcks up their asses to have originated this. |
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MortalMelancholy said: Where moe-horror that I'm looking for? Like Higurashi and Narutaru =/ i was just wondering this myself. moe anime with a serious story is great in my eyes. Well,too soon to speak for Mayoiga but Gakkou Gurashi was fantastic tbh. i wish there was more of such anime that balances cute artstyle and a good deep story instead of anime always either being full-on moe with cute girls doing cute stuff or serious guys doing serious business (not that either of two are bad but yeah) |
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ilovewendy16 said: Hoppy said: I hope moe completely annihilates the stupid dark edgy teen anime. i hope it all gets replaced.People complain about their favorite dark, story driven anime not selling when moe series are selling 6k+ or complaining that the influx of moe will phase out those dark, story driven anime. You're throwing a tantrum over the art styles used in chinese cartoons. This is not only childish but also shows how open-minded you are when it comes to art... I have nothing against moe, it just doesn't interest me visually. I'd rather have a slightly more realistic art style dwelving into super chibi territories for comedy (Aria) than the moeblobs with no shape Kyoani animates. This thing:  Is harder to design, draw and animate than this thing:  You're also acting as if dark anime where always aimed at edgy teens, but I guess that's just because you're too young to know better. BTW, E7 is aimed at edgy teens too... edit: I also read your posts about violence in anime and manga and... You should probably spend less time worrying about what others do, really. It's kinda ridiculous. |
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| It's not that Moe will kill anime it's more that anime WILL BECOME Moe. What I mean is that Moe is what sells in Japan and the studios need to make shows that sell to a wide audience because they need to feed themselves. However, because Moe sells it is the safe bet, the fall back for the studios. It limits the full artistic expression available in the animated medium. Shows without cute girls don't sell so if someone had an idea to make an anime that was devoid of moe like some favorites of mine such as Ping Pong or Tatami Galaxy or even Shinsekai Yori whose character designs were moe but the story was very dark and complex, they don't sell. Then that means these artists and storytellers are better off NOT having the idea in the first place and choosing to go with simpler tried and true character archetypes and cute girls. Moe should exist, it has every right to exist because it is very much a form of expression and entertainment. However, anime should not become Moe because it sells that's where the problem lies. Anime isn't going to die because of moe it would've been dead long ago if that were the case but it is going to limit artists from creating a truly self expressive work. From the winter season we see shows like Konosuba or even KyoAni's flop Musaigen still outselling the very non-moe Rakugo, which was a fantastic anime. Does this mean anime can't be anything more than entertainment and cute girls? I'd sure like to hope that it can remain a mixture of thought provoking shows and moe, as it has been but it's slowly folding into more moe. I just wish there were more experimental shows or one's i can really dig into coming out as it's been very rare for me to find any from the airing anime. I'll still support the non-moe shows and if people really think moe was killing anime they'd support the shows they enjoy more than the people supporting moe but the people who care more and are willing to spend more are the moe fans, guess that's just how it works. |
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Illyricus said: CapitalistGod said: If I remember right, it was good old Miyazaki the one who started the trending with the "anime was a mistake" line who the people understood wrong.There's a reason why a *meme* like this exists. I can only think of people with stcks up their asses to have originated this. Funnily enough, that was also a joke. Miyazaki never said that, he did say that the "industry is full of otaku" but that's about it. It was a fun joke that people started to take seriously, and then it got out of hand. Same with the whole "X is saving/killing anime" thing. |
TheBrainintheJar said: Jeez, I know right?ilovewendy16 said: if there is no MOE i am not interested. Haters of moe can go watch their face punching 70's testosterone anime. This Western fiction has enough macho bullshit. If you want tough guys just watch the latest DC/Marvel movie. Come on people get with the times, it's 2016. Leave the "macho bullshit" behind. |
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55Snakes said: moe is quite literally the cancer of anime, and of east asian culture in general How so? Last time I checked most Korean, Chinese or even most Japanese people aren't interested in moe. It's a subculture. And you mean "figuratively". |
| >moe isn't killing your anime because not moe anime exists too >brings up not moe examples from 20 years ago Stupid anime trying to have plot makes me cringe, not even trying and just shoving moe in my face is preferable. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Except those movies are shit, idk why you think macho automatically means something is bad.ilovewendy16 said: if there is no MOE i am not interested. Haters of moe can go watch their face punching 70's testosterone anime. This Western fiction has enough macho bullshit. If you want tough guys just watch the latest DC/Marvel movie. |
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| I like many Moe anime and Elitist Pandering anime. If Moe is sub-genre of anime then Elitist should be the new sub-genre of anime because of the west. 1st anime tv series is Astro Boy and it had Moe eyes, even Kuro Hazama from Black Jack had Moe eyes. Anything made by Osamu Tezuka (Godfather of Anime/Manga) had Moe eyes in his anime and manga. After the death of Osamu Tezuka, many japanese creators will start making their own Moe anime and many Moe anime was made. Making more Moe anime is like they're worshipping Osamu Tezuka. If western people hating Moe it means you're cursing Osamu Tezuka by disrespecting him even he's dead. Anyway, if you think Madhouse is a Studio that makes a lot of anime that panders to western audience? No! Madhouse create some Moe anime during late 90's and early 2000's like Card Captor Sakura, Di Gi Charat, Galaxy Angel, Fairy Musketeers, etc. What i understand everything is Japan likes cute things while Western people like Macho Manly Men. It's like anime has alienated your intelligence and you just trash talk about it but you can't stop them because they don't care what they say to you. Western People are such a bunch of Baka Gaijins. Elitist be like |
GridleyApr 21, 2016 8:07 PM
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| I like how something as simple as this can divide the anime community.. as if moe is in every show either ruining it or making it amazing. Believe me when I say this, there will be great shows with moe and there will be great shows without moe. If you can't grasp this concept than............. |
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| Just because people don't want to watch a thousand and one rehash moe anime with (mostly) chibi girls who all act the same with poor stories doesn't mean they want all "macho shit" from the "1970s" (not that that is bad of course). If that's what you think, then you need to obviously stop with the moe anime for a while and step outside of your comfort zone. Anyway, as for the thread: Most moe (not all!) is bad simply because...well, the video says it well. It has become a type. A rehash of unpromising "well adored" themes. The characters are almost always bland or similar to another anime moe girl because that anime sold exceptionally well. There isn't any individuality among most of these characters or the stories they drive. It probably isn't killing anime, but it is definitely killing the quality or originality of it. Or, rather, the demand of it. @ilovewendy16 May I ask what the anime of those gifs are from for the last two? The animation looks really beautiful. |
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merryfistmas said: TheBrainintheJar said: Except those movies are shit, idk why you think macho automatically means something is bad.This Western fiction has enough macho bullshit. If you want tough guys just watch the latest DC/Marvel movie. I don't think macho bullshit is automatic badness. I love JoJo and the 90's Action aesthetic. I just find Western fiction to be oversaturated, especially when it's passed off as profound. The film "Commando" and Game of Thrones are fairly different takes on it. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Makes sense, I feel the same way about everything too be honest, I get sick of it if I see enough.merryfistmas said: Except those movies are shit, idk why you think macho automatically means something is bad. I don't think macho bullshit is automatic badness. I love JoJo and the 90's Action aesthetic. I just find Western fiction to be oversaturated, especially when it's passed off as profound. The film "Commando" and Game of Thrones are fairly different takes on it. |
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| if being "moe" are enough to ruin your favorites, that's show if your favorites is nothing but visual... but that's none of my business anyways |
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| Moe is not gonna kill the anime I like but it will kill my enjoyment. |
-Senpai- said: akkidearest is popular? fuck this limit bullshitIt's official, a popular youtuber said so! |
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| Basically people who hate moe are just angry that the type of anime they like does not sell well. Not that any of them actually BUY the anime they like, but still. People who love moe anime tend to also buy it, thus making studios want to make more. It's simple economics. If people who like serious mature anime for mature people like themselves would actually buy the anime, more anime of that type would get made. Since they don't, the studios either think that not many people like that kind of anime, or they think that the people who like that kind of anime tend not to buy it. In either scenario, the studio has no reason to make more of that type of anime. tl;dr: Fans who hate moe have nobody to blame but themselves. |
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| Moe is love Moe is life !! Haters can go die in hell |
Z-DanteApr 22, 2016 6:17 AM
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| Ettoo, normally people die when they are killed and go to the haven/hell afterwords. But the moe haters are the worst kind of sinners. So they'll be kicked to hell alive for being roasted alive in the hell's fire! Or something like that >:) ( Means they deserve to die and go to hell ) |
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kamisama751 said: This fella gets it ;^)Z-Dante said: Ettoo, normally people die when they are killed and go to the haven/hell afterwords. But the moe haters are the worst kind of sinners. So they'll be kicked to hell alive for being roasted alive in the hell's fire! Or something like that >:) ( Means they deserve to die and go to hell ) They don't like what I like, so they deserved to go to hell. How is the feel of getting betrayed by the very thing you like? You don't like it, you don't watch it. Moe, ecchi, harem haters got their battle shounens running all year round. ( Unlike us ecchi fans, who rarely gets 1 ecchi per session ) |
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| Wrong Target audience lol, this is why Baka Gaijins are so alienated by Japan's current society. Let me tell you the truth. The reason why Elitist hates Modern Anime is not about Moe, Elitist didn't realized that MODERN ANIME ARE NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT!!!! Anime is now a Commercial Medium, if japanese people wants good stories then they prefer reading manga or watch japanese mature live action drama tv series. Most Anime are aimed at younger audience, not for Pretentious Couch Potato Neckbeard Elitist in Mother's Basement. If you want good well-written stories then go read some good manga. There are more good manga are being made more than modern anime so that's the truth. |
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Shock_Yin said: Good job, does "elitist"-kun want a cookie? Yeah, I really hate bad well-written stories too. But Zeta you don't even give an example of manga, clearly they need help to find the road to enlightenment. Zeta's mother has a Pretentious Couch Potato Neckbeard Elitist in her basement. Go read actual books instead, they're much better than picture books. Most Bad-written stories are mainstream in every medium especially in modern times, many younger people won't notice it. Harsh Truth is Well-written stories doesn't sell well on the East especially on Northeast Asia. If you want to see more good-written manga, go to Anime Uber Elitist Club on MAL, find the Manga Enlightenment List thread and you'll see more of it. My Mom went overseas somewhere. I've read actual book but most Filipino books are garbage, any good western books are very very rare in bookstores in my country. kamisama751 said: Dude, you don't even know what "elitist" actually means. Oh wait. I already told you that once. You never learn. :D According to my Dictionary. Elitist are Pretentious Narcissist Overlords that thinks modern anime are nothing but garbage to them, Well-written stories are like healthy food to them. They claimed themselves as Messiah of Internet and treat Casuals like Garbage. They think Moe as the most dangerous hazardous drug known to mankind so they avoid it like a plague. They're mostly allergic to Fanservice because it destroys their brain cells. Most Elitist don't have a Penis because their Penis is located at their brains. Everytime they like Well-written Stories, their Brain will have Orgasm. God make a mistake about their Creation! Why he accidentally put genitalia on Human's crotch? They better put Genitalia inside of Human Brain to make it better. That's what i have to say my dear Baka Gaijin, keep cursing Osamu Tezuka forever. |
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Semen-Demon said: Wrong Target audience lol, this is why Baka Gaijins are so alienated by Japan's current society. Let me tell you the truth. The reason why Elitist hates Modern Anime is not about Moe, Elitist didn't realized that MODERN ANIME ARE NOTHING BUT COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENT!!!! Anime is now a Commercial Medium, if japanese people wants good stories then they prefer reading manga or watch japanese mature live action drama tv series. Most Anime are aimed at younger audience, not for Pretentious Couch Potato Neckbeard Elitist in Mother's Basement. If you want good well-written stories then go read some good manga. There are more good manga are being made more than modern anime so that's the truth. Anime to me is about aesthetics and visual direction. As a result I like moe stuff, along with more "manly"/older stuff too (I love both moe and 90's artstyles, this would make me a weirdo to most people). VNs/manga are where the stories are at. |
I don't see how Moe could kill anime. The guy looks like he likes anime. |
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kamisama751 said: DmonHiro said: Basically people who hate moe are just angry that the type of anime they like does not sell well. Not that any of them actually BUY the anime they like, but still. People who love moe anime tend to also buy it, thus making studios want to make more. It's simple economics. If people who like serious mature anime for mature people like themselves would actually buy the anime, more anime of that type would get made. Since they don't, the studios either think that not many people like that kind of anime, or they think that the people who like that kind of anime tend not to buy it. In either scenario, the studio has no reason to make more of that type of anime. tl;dr: Fans who hate moe have nobody to blame but themselves. Buying them for supporting the slave work condition? No thanks. Animators don't have it easy by any means, but likening it to "slave work" is frankly an insult to people in sweatshops and other actual slavelike conditions. And yes, this is how the market works. People buy moe stuff, so moe stuff keeps getting made. Experimental stuff still comes along every so often though, as truly experimental stuff is not driven by market trends, and then new trends may come along as a result. |
| Holy shit that was cringe and both these plebs barely seen much anime in the first place. |
-Senpai- said: It's official, a popular youtuber said so! Not even mentioning that youtuber is Akidearest, Who is literally the biggest weeb and attention whore I've ever watched. She literally put on a cat outfit and japanese swimsuit on camera just because she got them in the P.O box. like... what Not saying Moe is ruining anime, just disagreeing that one youtube video made by someone who is a... Unreliable source is smart At least Gaijin Goomba is in it, gives it some kind of credibility |
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joephillingham said: -Senpai- said: It's official, a popular youtuber said so! Not even mentioning that youtuber is Akidearest, Who is literally the biggest weeb and attention whore I've ever watched. She literally put on a cat outfit and japanese swimsuit on camera just because she got them in the P.O box. like... what Not saying Moe is ruining anime, just disagreeing that one youtube video made by someone who is a... Unreliable source is smart At least Gaijin Goomba is in it, gives it some kind of credibility I seen that video, she looks alright in a swimsuit. Lobinde said: Animators don't have it easy by any means, but likening it to "slave work" is frankly an insult to people in sweatshops and other actual slavelike conditions. And yes, this is how the market works. People buy moe stuff, so moe stuff keeps getting made. Experimental stuff still comes along every so often though, as truly experimental stuff is not driven by market trends, and then new trends may come along as a result. Animators have died doing what they love and they often get no appreciation from studios and unless they work for Sunrise, Toei, PA works (man they have some nice facilities btw), and KyoAni, it's definitely the pits in pay as well especially A-1, animators have died to make the 1st Idolm@ster and other anime. |
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| I literally don't get what it is about moe that ticks people off. Never have, never will. Especially now that cutesy Slice of Life shows haven't been the most popular thing in anime for quite a while now yet people still complain like they are. Have you just stopped paying attention to anime these past few years? Have you by chance noticed the influx of harems and psuedo harems set in magic schools? Are you just frustrated that Love Live sells 10 times more Blu-rays than your precious One Meme Man? (If you do fall into that latter category though you should probably get over yourself because OPM's BD sales were still pretty solid). Also, have you not noticed that there are actually a hell of a lot more western inspired shows coming out every year than there were a few years back? Might not have been true a few years ago, but we matter to Japan now. Stuff like Space Dandy certainly wouldn't exist otherwise (Which did amazing on Toonami despite rotten sales in Japan). |
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SeibaaHomu said: I literally don't get what it is about moe that ticks people off. Never have, never will. Especially now that cutesy Slice of Life shows haven't been the most popular thing in anime for quite a while now yet people still complain like they are. Have you just stopped paying attention to anime these past few years? Have you by chance noticed the influx of harems and psuedo harems set in magic schools? Are you just frustrated that Love Live sells 10 times more Blu-rays than your precious One Meme Man? (If you do fall into that latter category though you should probably get over yourself because OPM's BD sales were still pretty solid). Also, have you not noticed that there are actually a hell of a lot more western inspired shows coming out every year than there were a few years back? Might not have been true a few years ago, but we matter to Japan now. Stuff like Space Dandy certainly wouldn't exist otherwise (Which did amazing on Toonami despite rotten sales in Japan). Yeah, moe is still a significant influence on the industry, but it's definitely not as dominant now. We've gotten more "westernised" anime over the past few years for sure, but people will keep complaining because that's what people do. They want everything to be made for THEIR specific tastes whilst not supporting the industry at all, and cry when that doesn't happen. |
| Clearly wouldn't kill anime in the first place. Some anime need moe, depending on the actual story. |
kamisama751 said: Intelligenza said: Clearly wouldn't kill anime in the first place. Some anime need moe, depending on the actual story. CGDCT haven't got as story, so..... You've got to really search hard if you want both moe, and plot. |
kamisama751 said: Intelligenza said: Clearly wouldn't kill anime in the first place. Some anime need moe, depending on the actual story. CGDCT haven't got as story, so..... Episodic = Plotless/No story Plotless = shit because it has no story. I'm always fine with Episodic series, my favorite part of Episodic shows are Character-driven ones. Cowboy Bebop is a great example where it has no story but the characters are awesome. |
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| I honestly don't get the hate for moe either. Just as said in the video, moe can be very subjective and a lot of the time it might not even be intended at all. And I think its stupid to say that shows with moe art style and characters are ruining the industry. Seriously its just a way to draw characters,many people find it cute and appealing.Like a character can be moe but also otherwise great. And I definitely think anime has gotten less "moe" (meaning shows that are pretty much only based around cute characters and comedy) in like 2014-present. Really,besides some SoL CGDCT shows, almost everything else is action or fantasy or shonen. We don't get many gal game/eroge adaptations and most romcom harem LN adaptations are now replaced by the isekai or fanasy school trope. I feel like we had more "moeblob" shows in like 2007-2012 or something. |
FukuchiChiisaia said: Actually their opinions matter less since they are plebsPsychoBomb said: What a stupid thread. We all have different tastes. It's not official because a person said so, every person has their own opinion. That's true... That youtuber is just ordinary anime fan like us. Their opinion doesn't matter.. |
| Okay, now that I've sat down and watched a bit of the video I can say one thing. Gaijin Goomba is an fucking idiot. Like, he's basically just taken a variety of storytelling problems (Namely over reliance on character types, a problem which effects basically all storytelling mediums ever) and just compressed it all into one handy little buzzword because he doesn't know how to properly express his opinions. Sure moe doesn't really have a clear agreed definition. But whatever it does mean, it sure as hell ain't what he thinks it does. |
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