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| So... I gotta be the asshole again... I thought this episode was extremely terrible. I understand that it is "just" a build up episode and therefore isn´t as great as other episodes by nature, but the problem with this episode was that we did get almost no new information. They just went over their plan for the 100st time. The episode could have been done in atleast half the time. I wouldn´t be surprised if the next episode is just the 10 minutes counting down o_O Killua getting to the conclusion that the King must have injured himself at the start of this episode was more than unbelievable. The conclusions drawn were void of any kind of reason. I am looking forward to next wekk, but 109 was just painful to watch. |
Cresherhsm said: confused_Imakuni said: I understand that it is "just" a build up episode and therefore isn´t as great as other episodes by nature, but the problem with this episode was that we did get almost no new information. They just went over their plan for the 100st time. Before I begin I just want to remind you that we didn't even hear most of their planning in episode 108, we were just given the gist of the plan to chew on. On the other hand, this episode had two planning scenes and both of them gave us new information (nothing was rehashed). The first planning scene was that "one final check" delivered by Killua who disclosed a new bit of information, that Ikalgo would take an elevator down to the basement and look for Palm. After that Killua talks about his insecurities about the operation, disclosing a finer detail of their plan, specifically, that if they sensed Pitou's en, everything is going as planned and that they would have to follow it to its densest point. This brings us to Killua's problem, his worries about the "unexpected happening" (in the case that they don't sense Pitou's en, etc). This will be elaborated on in the next episode as a "one in a million chance" and will play a part during the palace invasion. The second planning scene happens in Knov's apartment complex, the team discusses the entrances to the palace as well as their plan in entering them, which is again new information. The rest of episode on the Hunter side is dedicated to Knov's surveillance (who volunteered after Shoot voiced his insecurities about waiting in the complex for hours without knowing anything about the situation outside) and every member's thoughts prior to the operation. It’s one thing to say that this episode is boring and another to say that we didn't get any new information because we did and a lot of it at that. And they didn't go over their plan for the "100th time". They planned three times (now recall what I said in my first sentence and note how I said “planned 3 times” and not "went over their plan three times"). The significant portions of their plan were disclosed to us in episode 108 but a lot of it was also left out (we couldn't hear what they were saying). This is also why Killua's "one final check" contained information that was 100% new to the audience despite him calling it a "final check" (meaning that they discussed it before). From this we can deduce that it was left out of the planning in episode 108 and disclosed to us this episode in smaller bits (which is again, a good move on Togashi's part). In summary, in their preparation for the palace invasion, the team planned three times. Each time they planned, they discussed something different and did not “go over their plan again”. No information was repeated and the information disclosed during each of the three times that they planned was completely new. If there’s a detail that they did repeat during their planning in the last two episodes, mention it in your post and if it’s legitimate I’ll be more than willing to concede but at the moment, I see no rehashing of information whatsoever. Before I end this post though I just want to stress that when the palace invasion is all over with, all of this buildup will make a lot of sense (and I can’t stress this point enough). Looking back, you'll see scenes in a new light, what you previously saw as insignificant, you will start seeing as necessary, etc. Honestly, I suggest waiting until this arc is over before you start giving out "convinced criticisms" of this sort. When this arc is over then we could discuss anything in this arc properly but right now it's hard to argue when another person has a completely different perspective. As a manga reader, I'm seeing everything in retrospect while as an anime only viewer, you're seeing everything for the first time, with no knowledge of what's going to happen next. Killua getting to the conclusion that the King must have injured himself at the start of this episode was more than unbelievable. The conclusions drawn were void of any kind of reason. How? It made perfect sense. o.o wouldn´t be surprised if the next episode is just the 10 minutes counting down o_O That will most likely be the case but if there's any silver lining, it's that we'll be having one of the best cliffhanger in the series next episode (if not the best). And it won't be the team counting down before entering the door if that's what you're thinking, this cliffhanger will be really really special. Well your thoughts are well explained Owned |
| Lol Cresherhsm you really put all the effort every individual should put by themselves hehe...Obvious shit is obvious.... |
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Cresherhsm said: confused_Imakuni said: I understand that it is "just" a build up episode and therefore isn´t as great as other episodes by nature, but the problem with this episode was that we did get almost no new information. They just went over their plan for the 100st time. Before I begin I just want to remind you that we didn't even hear most of their planning in episode 108, we were just given the gist of the plan to chew on. On the other hand, this episode had two planning scenes and both of them gave us new information (nothing was rehashed). The first planning scene was that "one final check" delivered by Killua who disclosed a new bit of information, that Ikalgo would take an elevator down to the basement and look for Palm. After that Killua talks about his insecurities about the operation, disclosing a finer detail of their plan, specifically, that if they sensed Pitou's en, everything is going as planned and that they would have to follow it to its densest point. This brings us to Killua's problem, his worries about the "unexpected happening" (in the case that they don't sense Pitou's en, etc). This will be elaborated on in the next episode as a "one in a million chance" and will play a part during the palace invasion. The second planning scene happens in Knov's apartment complex, the team discusses the entrances to the palace as well as their plan in entering them, which is again new information. The rest of episode on the Hunter side is dedicated to Knov's surveillance (who volunteered after Shoot voiced his insecurities about waiting in the complex for hours without knowing anything about the situation outside) and every member's thoughts prior to the operation. It’s one thing to say that this episode is boring and another to say that we didn't get any new information because we did and a lot of it at that. And they didn't go over their plan for the "100th time". They planned three times (now recall what I said in my first sentence and note how I said “planned 3 times” and not "went over their plan three times"). The significant portions of their plan were disclosed to us in episode 108 but a lot of it was also left out (we couldn't hear what they were saying). This is also why Killua's "one final check" contained information that was 100% new to the audience despite him calling it a "final check" (meaning that they discussed it before). From this we can deduce that it was left out of the planning in episode 108 and disclosed to us this episode in smaller bits (which is again, a good move on Togashi's part). In summary, in their preparation for the palace invasion, the team planned three times. Each time they planned, they discussed something different and did not “go over their plan again”. No information was repeated and the information disclosed during each of the three times that they planned was completely new. If there’s a detail that they did repeat during their planning in the last two episodes, mention it in your post and if it’s legitimate I’ll be more than willing to concede but at the moment, I see no rehashing of information whatsoever. Before I end this post though I just want to stress that when the palace invasion is all over with, all of this buildup will make a lot of sense (and I can’t stress this point enough). Looking back, you'll see scenes in a new light, what you previously saw as insignificant, you will start seeing as necessary, etc. Honestly, I suggest waiting until this arc is over before you start giving out "convinced criticisms" of this sort. When this arc is over then we could discuss anything in this arc properly but right now it's hard to argue when another person has a completely different perspective. As a manga reader, I'm seeing everything in retrospect while as an anime only viewer, you're seeing everything for the first time, with no knowledge of what's going to happen next. Killua getting to the conclusion that the King must have injured himself at the start of this episode was more than unbelievable. The conclusions drawn were void of any kind of reason. How? It made perfect sense. o.o wouldn´t be surprised if the next episode is just the 10 minutes counting down o_O That will most likely be the case but if there's any silver lining, it's that we'll be having one of the best cliffhanger in the series next episode (if not the best). And it won't be the team counting down before entering the door if that's what you're thinking, this cliffhanger will be really really special. The planning actually started a loooong time ago. It pretty much started as we were told Gon and Killua are gonna face Pitou (don´t remember the exact number of the episode). The planning started at that point and it changed quite a bit as the story went along. As Knov sneaked inside the castle to place the portals we already knew most of it. So yes... actually a lot of it was repeated. We knew about the portals, we knew about the matchups. We knew about following the aura. Almost all of it was already clear. I am not saying we didn´t get any new information. You clearly showed in your post what was new. I am saying that all of this could have been explained in 10 minutes. Even better yet. You can explain how exactly the plan works as they start to invade. Unless things go wrong from the getgo this is by far the best way to do it. But yeah... we cant really talk about that until we are further into the arc. But even though I don´t know how the arc continues from this point, I can still critisize the episode as a stand alone. Now about the conclusion that the king was probably injured: So the first information they got was from Colt. He said Pitou was probably using her healing ability. But the real conclusion you should draw from it should be: "Pitou was maybe using her healing power". There is no way for them to know why he/she withdrew the aura. Maybe he/she was using another type of ability? Maybe the king ordered her to withdrawthe aura for some kind of reason? There are a lot of other possibilities. But anyway... So since Pitou was using her heal ability someone must have been injured. They immediately say must have been the king or one of the guards. Why cant it be a lower ant or a human? One of the ants could have an important / useful ability they still need. They kept the secretary alive... maybe he got injured. They kinda still need him too. Ikalgo says Pitou would never endanger the king to heal somone else. But Poufs ability to control all the people we saw this episode kinda seems important. So healing him if he had an injury would make sense too. If the king ordered Pitou to heal someone else he/she would do it. We as the audience know that if the little girl would have been more injured he probably would have saved her with the healing ability. There are a lot more possibilities that make a lot more or at least as much sense than the king being injured. |
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| Was an okay episode. Honestly, I've gotten used to the drawn out explanations in this arc but even keeping that in mind, I feel the hunters planning/observations went on for longer than necessary. Anyway, what the hell happened to Knov? Coming into contact with Pouf's aura made him physically age? Was really weird how none of the characters commented on it. |
gettogaara said: Anyway, what the hell happened to Knov? Coming into contact with Pouf's aura made him physically age? Was really weird how none of the characters commented on it. His hair turned white because of stress apparently and lost some fat around his face from not eating. The whole Knov situation is just cheap, stupid and unnecessary. |
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gettogaara said: Anyway, what the hell happened to Knov? Coming into contact with Pouf's aura made him physically age? Was really weird how none of the characters commented on it. tsudecimo said: *sigh* Allow me do a bit of explaining, which I may or may not suck at..His hair turned white because of stress apparently and lost some fat around his face from not eating. The whole Knov situation is just cheap, stupid and unnecessary. While Knov infiltrated the palace on his own, it is left to assume that he was using Zetsu. Being in Zetsu is not ideal when coming across a malicious aura. Just as Wing said back in the Heaven's Arena arc, Knov had ventured naked into a snowstorm (also note that aura alone can be used to kill others) on top of the whole bunch of stress he had been under. And that's what ruined his body & mental stability (Gon & Killua did not have Nen when they had first confronted Hisoka's malicious aura; therefore, they were not in state of Zetsu to be completely overwhelmed by it. Also, they already had their Ten active by the time they encountered Pitou and its aura.) Although, Knov's hair gradually became white as soon as he broke down in the manga - another thing to consider in making sense of this. (This is one of those anime that prefers having consistent character models per each individual episode, from what I gather.) Either way, these are veteran Hunters who pretty much know the ins & outs of Nen, so they already understood the circumstances which caused Knov to turn out the way he did. We're left to work this bit out in our minds, and then some. |
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GalekC said: tsudecimo said: *sigh* Allow me do a bit of explaining, which I may or may not suck at..The whole Knov situation is just cheap, stupid and unnecessary. [....] I think it's cheap because Togashi is basically saying that he can add psychological scenes if he wanted to or add psychological as a sub-genre, which is out of place in this story and certainly not needed. Knov an experienced hunter who was chosen by Netero mentally breaks down because of an aura, while Gon, Kite and Killua don't even though Petou aura is more malicious than Pouf's. First of all, the characterization of Knov doesn't make sense, he wasn't introduced as a coward or someone who is timid and gets scared easily like Shoot, he was introduced as a clam and collected hunter who judging by his Nen ability can infiltrate enemies and is used to do that sort of job he did in the palace. So it happened to him to further show how ''epic'' the guards are, getting defeated by just an aura. The guy was scared shit-less before he even came close to the palace. He didn't encounter the guards before or even saw them for that matter but he was still scared out of his mind and almost mentally beaten before he even reached there. Why? is he always that scared during ever other mission he was assigned to? I think I would have gotten over this, if it wasn't exaggerated like that or if he wasn't that scared before coming in contact with the malicious aura or better yet if it wasn't played as something psychological and was just explained as him using Zetsu. A character like him getting that mentally broken down from an aura was just to hype up the royal guards, which I thought was cheap. So far his mental breakdown didn't benefit the plot or is relevant in any way aside from him not entering the fight which is why I thought it was unnecessary. I just felt like that scene happened to impress readers who are easily captivated by psychological scenes. |
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tsudecimo said: GalekC said: tsudecimo said: *sigh* Allow me do a bit of explaining, which I may or may not suck at..The whole Knov situation is just cheap, stupid and unnecessary. [....] I think it's cheap because Togashi is basically saying that he can add psychological scenes if he wanted to or add psychological as a sub-genre, which is out of place in this story and certainly not needed. Knov an experienced hunter who was chosen by Netero mentally breaks down because of an aura, while Gon, Kite and Killua don't even though Petou aura is more malicious than Pouf's. First of all, the characterization of Knov doesn't make sense, he wasn't introduced as a coward or someone who is timid and gets scared easily like Shoot, he was introduced as a clam and collected hunter who judging by his Nen ability can infiltrate enemies and is used to do that sort of job he did in the palace. So it happened to him to further show how ''epic'' the guards are, getting defeated by just an aura. The guy was scared shit-less before he even came close to the palace. He didn't encounter the guards before or even saw them for that matter but he was still scared out of his mind and almost mentally beaten before he even reached there. Why? is he always that scared during ever other mission he was assigned to? I think I would have gotten over this, if it wasn't exaggerated like that or if he wasn't that scared before coming in contact with the malicious aura or better yet if it wasn't played as something psychological and was just explained as him using Zetsu. A character like him getting that mentally broken down from an aura was just to hype up the royal guards, which I thought was cheap. So far his mental breakdown didn't benefit the plot or is relevant in any way aside from him not entering the fight which is why I thought it was unnecessary. I just felt like that scene happened to impress readers who are easily captivated by psychological scenes. Psychological factor is present in the entire series, what are you talking about? Maybe I didn't understand you right? What is a human's reaction towards the unknown in real life? Doesn't matter how experienced someone is, he might come across with a situation he hasn't before and get scared... Haven't you seen people in real life acting as if they are tough to be proven otherwise(I am not saying Knov was acting tough or fake..). My point is that sometimes when you ask a person "what would you do in X situation?" he replies "I would do Y..." But that is only an assumption... What would I do if someone pointed a gun at me with the intention to rob me?( I might say I would kick his ass and take his gun...) When it actually happens though I might piss my pants.... |
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Cresherhsm said: Yes the matchups were discussed in episode 95 and they were never discussed again. Since they were never discussed again we can assume that (a) that was the only part of the old plan which they retained and (b) that they plan on sticking with it despite the change in circumstances (Knov backing out and Meleoreon and Ikalgo coming in). They might not actual sit down and plan, but we are getting teased every single episode about what´s to come. Cresherhsm said: Knov placed the exits in episode 106. The team was talking about the entrances in episode 109, which were never discussed before. Since we never saw Knov place the six entrances surrounding the palace, they were planted off-screen. But that´s something that can be done way easier as they actually enter at the entrance. I really don´t understand why he actually shows them sitting in a room planning. Togashi did something similar with gon and Killua planning to disrupt the selection progress earlier. We just saw them running through the forest talking about what they should do. I am sorry... but that´s just terrible. A good example was Knov infiltrating the castle. We got all the information while he was actually doing it. Cresherhsm said: The two planning scenes took up around 7:20 minutes of screen-time. Yeah... I meant all the information we got this episode in 10 minutes. We also saw Pouf using his ability on the people for example. Cresherhsm said: You're jumping right in the middle of Killua's deduction process. In order to see the flow of his reasoning you need to start from the beginning. The Royal Guards never leave the King's side. So if Pouf was guarding the palace using his en, that means that the King and the other Royal Guards were in the palace as well. If Pitou was in the palace then she should have been using her en and puppets to guard to the King but she wasn't. Since she withdrew her en and dropped her puppets, she was either in a situation where (1) she could not use the full extent of her nen or (2) she could not use her nen at all. Given this, their safe situation in the palace, along with the fact that her en and puppets came back a few hours later (she can't be dead), it's only logical to think that there must have been something about her power which left her unable to maintain her en and puppets (a drawback). Yes. The reason why I jumped right to the information from Colt is because I don´t have a problem with the reasoning this far. Even though the reason for dropping the en could have been something else too. Like she was actually trying to lure someone to come closer to the castle. But the probability is pretty low for that so I am totally fine with the conclusion drawn. Cresherhsm said: I may be padding a bit on Killua's deduction but what do you expect? Killua's deduction was logical, informative and concise. It made sense and covered the essentials of his deduction process without being overly informative (and insulting our intelligence). He gave us a solid logical explanation for why he believes Pitou's withdrawal of his en and puppets were the result of a drawback of one of his nen abilities, that's what that scene was supposed to do (while the scene with Colt after that was necessary to turn his uncertainty into conviction). Unless the target audience might not be able to get it, there's no need to explore every nook and cranny, feed and explain to us every possibility because we (the audience) can think. Killua could have said "Pitou couldn't have died because she brought back her en afterwards" or "Pitou couldn't have been ordered by the King to go outside of the palace and do something because she could have delegated that task to one of the lower ants or her puppets. Moreover, even if she did do that, it would still fail to explain why she dropped her puppets" because it's obvious. You're acting as though he should have spoon-fed us. It has nothing to do with spoon-feeding though. I am not saying we didn´t get enough information. I am saying that Killua is going along with a theory that has a low probability of being true. But I don´t really have a big problem of saying that Pitou was using a healing ability is the answer that makes most sense. Like I said. There is the possibility of her using a different kind of technique. And that is exactly what the problem is. He already had to go along with the most probable answer twice. Which drags the chance of being true down already. But I don´t have a problem of him going along with Pitou having used her healing ability. The real problem in my opinion is the last part. Cresherhsm said: As Ikalgo assured Killua, Pitou would never endanger the safety of the King by withdrawing her en and puppets to heal anyone, especially in the case of the lower ants who are an afterthought and Bizef who is replaceable. This is even the case for the RG. Pitou won't withdraw her powers to heal Youpi or Pouf (like they'd ask to be healed anyway) unless ordered by the King but that wouldn't make sense either. The only person capable of harming the RG is the King and do you think that the King would injure one of his RG only to call Pitou and ask her to withdraw her en and puppets and heal a RG whom he just injured? In this case, there are only two possible explanations. 1) The King injures one of his Royal Guard. One of the RG asks the King if he could heal or get someone to heal the injured RG and the King allows it. 2) The King injures himself and one of the RG pleads (if this is the case the RG will plead and not ask) the King if he could heal or get someone to heal him and the King accepts. Going along with Ikalgo is a big problem. He says Pitou would never heal anyone but the king. But how does he really know? Because he knows Pitou!? But that doesn´t mean anything. People misjudge other people all the time. Especially since it´s coming from someone who just betrayed his own kind it´s kinda ironic. So he can´t really be sure that she wouldn´t heal someone else. But again. That´s only a possibility and it´s kind of reasonable to again go along with it and accept it. The only person capable of injuring a RG is not only the king. The RG´s could injure each other if they fight too. If one of them would die then the other one might have been healed by Pitou. The king could have tortured one of his RG´s to put him in his place and heal him up again afterwards. I don´t think it is too unreasonable. Like I already said. Pouf´s ability seems kinda important for the plan. And there are quite a few more possibilities. The secretary of state could have been injured. The seem to still need him for political matters too. Maybe an ant injured him, or he fell down some stairs because he is an idiot... I don´t know. And then believing Ikalgo that Pitou just wouldn´t heal someone else just isn´t good enough. Killua even considers that there might have been an internal dispute. So he considers one of the RG betraying the king, but Pitou´s character is set in stone? Coming to the conclusion that the king somehow injured himself just doesn´t make any sense whatsoever. It´s just one of the many possibilties of what might have happened inside the castle. Now you might say that Killua came to the conclusion that the king must have injured himself because he mistakenly just blindly believes colt and ikalgo and never realised that something about their reasoning is off. But then it´s just horribly constructed since he then just comes to the right conclusion by mistake. tsudecimo said: I think it's cheap because Togashi is basically saying that he can add psychological scenes if he wanted to or add psychological as a sub-genre, which is out of place in this story and certainly not needed. Knov an experienced hunter who was chosen by Netero mentally breaks down because of an aura, while Gon, Kite and Killua don't even though Petou aura is more malicious than Pouf's. First of all, the characterization of Knov doesn't make sense, he wasn't introduced as a coward or someone who is timid and gets scared easily like Shoot, he was introduced as a clam and collected hunter who judging by his Nen ability can infiltrate enemies and is used to do that sort of job he did in the palace. So it happened to him to further show how ''epic'' the guards are, getting defeated by just an aura. The guy was scared shit-less before he even came close to the palace. He didn't encounter the guards before or even saw them for that matter but he was still scared out of his mind and almost mentally beaten before he even reached there. Why? is he always that scared during ever other mission he was assigned to? That is actually one of the reasons I like hunter x hunter. Because a few chars are a little bit deeper and not what they seem at first. Because that what it means to write a good char. Knov could have been the calm and collected hunter. But that´s just boring. Real people aren´t just a stereotype always acting like you would expect them to. There are actually a lot of people that act cool and calm while they feel totally different inside. Knov having a break down and the King slowly starting to care about Komugi are in my opinion the best parts in recent memory. His hair turning grey might be a little bit much though... |
soundscape said: Psychological factor is present in the entire series, what are you talking about? Maybe I didn't understand you right? It wasn't present or exaggerated like this. soundscape said: What is a human's reaction towards the unknown in real life? Doesn't matter how experienced someone is, he might come across with a situation he hasn't before and get scared... Get scared of doing something that should be a routine for him? I don't think so. Trained verteran solider don't wet their pants before they reach the battlefield. Knov isn't a normal person so your analogy doesn't really work. confused_Imakuni said: That is actually one of the reasons I like hunter x hunter. Because a few chars are a little bit deeper and not what they seem at first. I don't consider 180 turns in personalities depth, I consider it shock factor. confused_Imakuni said: Knov could have been the calm and collected hunter. But that´s just boring. Real people aren´t just a stereotype always acting like you would expect them to. Well I don't care about him being boring or not. His characterization was like that, giving him an 180 turn doesn't make him a good character, especially if he is the only one who had this treatment. confused_Imakuni said: There are actually a lot of people that act cool and calm while they feel totally different inside. Like I said above. Knov isn't a normal person who didn't face danger in his life before. An experience hunter already knows that he might die during every mission. Why stop at Knov though? Why not Morel? that would be fun, mentally breaking down every character that doesn't look like it will be broken down at first glance. confused_Imakuni said: Knov having a break down and the King slowly starting to care about Komugi are in my opinion the best parts in recent memory. His hair turning grey might be a little bit much though... Well, this is different. That was actual depth to the King character, because he is starting to feel emotions he doesn't understand, that conflicts with his idea of himself. For the first time he cares about another creature even though he is used to think everyone is disposable, thus giving him inner conflicts and making him more than a typical iwannaruletheworld villain. While Knov just had an 180 turn in personality. |
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tsudecimo said: soundscape said: Psychological factor is present in the entire series, what are you talking about? Maybe I didn't understand you right? It wasn't present or exaggerated like this. soundscape said: What is a human's reaction towards the unknown in real life? Doesn't matter how experienced someone is, he might come across with a situation he hasn't before and get scared... Get scared of doing something that should be a routine for him? I don't think so. Trained verteran solider don't wet their pants before they reach the battlefield. Knov isn't a normal person so your analogy doesn't really work. "Exaggerated" is your own subjective opinion based on your life experience, it's not a fact. For me nothing was exaggerated and made perfect sense. First of all Knov's and Morel's age and experience are different. Knov wasn't picked for this mission based on his strength as far as I could understand it and some guys told me, he was chosen because of his ability (he would be crucial and really helpful for this mission). As for it is a routine for him... I doubt it. But even so, facing new powerful species with auras he never felt before might crack up even a soldier as you put it... Not all soldiers are the same and not all humans are the same... |
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tsudecimo said: Get scared of doing something that should be a routine for him? I don't think so. Trained verteran solider don't wet their pants before they reach the battlefield. Knov isn't a normal person so your analogy doesn't really work. Fighting monsters isn't a routine for anyone in HxH world. Giant chimera ants like this aren't something normal. |
soundscape said: "Exaggerated" is your own subjective opinion based on your life experience, it's not a fact.[....] I feel like I should stop replying to you. No shit Sherlock, it's my subjective opinion. Here is a giant hint, most of what I said is my own subjective opinion and nothing I said outside of what exactly happened in those episodes is a fact. Salce said: Fighting monsters isn't a routine for anyone in HxH world. Giant chimera ants like this aren't something normal. I realize that but the sense of danger is normal for hunters, the fact that you can die is normal for them, facing enemies way stronger than them is normal for hunters, etc. Nobody have to agree with me. I'm just stating my opinion that the whole Knov situation is cheap and bad writing. |
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tsudecimo said: Get scared of doing something that should be a routine for him? I don't think so. Trained verteran solider don't wet their pants before they reach the battlefield. Knov isn't a normal person so your analogy doesn't really work. First of all. Soldiers are extremely scared all the time. War is scary is shit and it doesn´t matter if you are trained or not. It´s still a nightmare. Soldiers get traumas all the time. Knov isn´t a normal person. That´s right... but a chimera isn´t something he has ever faced before either. tsudecimo said: I don't consider 180 turns in personalities depth, I consider it shock factor. We actually didn´t know much about Knov. So I don´t know how you can say his character changed completely. We don´t know what he did before and he didn´t talk much. He seemed calm and collective yes, but like I said before. You just don´t know a person by just seeing him once. There are shy people that rarely talk, but sometimes they just start talking and dont seem to stop. Knov was just terrified and it is still affecting him. I don´t quite understand why this would be a 180. tsudecimo said: Why stop at Knov though? Why not Morel? that would be fun, mentally breaking down every character that doesn't look like it will be broken down at first glance. Because Morel and Knov are not the same person!? He might withstand the aura. Yes let´s break down every char at first glance. And while we are at it. Kite was defeated easily. Why not let everybody be defeated easily? Hisoka is a perv. Let´s just make everyone be a perv! yay! |
| @tsudecimo You mad bro? Well I didn't have the intention to offend you if it came out like that. I feel like we should end it here before a mental breakdown happens. |
| "Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Weep, and you weep alone". Ella Wheeler Wilcox |
| And I thought the Knov breakdown case ended long ago. |
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| Hunter x hunter 109 - one day before the selection Review : once again hunter x hunter give an episode with no battle but worth to watch. From the king and his royal guard, it seem that the royal guard started to feel uncomfortable with the King atitude. When the king order pitou to have his eyes on komugi with his En, he bend his knee but he never submit, you can see that from his eye. From the Hunter side, Gon, Killua, Knukle, Shoot, Morel, Ikalgo, and Meleoron gathered in Knov nen for final strategy discussion to assault the king. we even see knov with white hair and depression face. it must be hard to be him. he, as aprofesional hunter, must give up to his fear. and the part that i like the most is when we have the insight of their inner voice. Gon showed his desires to avenge kite, killua was ready to support gon with his new technique kanmaru so that none will intefere gon fighting. from this, I assume that gon will fight pitou himself. Knukle who has soft heart, try to get rid of his thought that everyone have heart include the king and be ready to kill the enemy. Shoot try to get rid of his anxiety, and the most problem from the decoy team is that their veteran fighter Morel will not fight in his 100% condition but 35% condition. Assumption : I know that the hunter team is strong, but I still can't see they win this battle. even the strongest hunter netero say that pitou is stronger that him. The only one that I think can be defeated is pitou (though I am not really sure cause he will battle with gon and killua) because he has already using En more than 9 day. En is technique that consume much energy (based on Zeno). Pouf, youpi and the king almost never use his nen which makes them in their full condition. The key man of the hunter team will be netero, who hid himself, and the old friend he talk about. When killua see netero he see budha figure so I think netero's power will have relation to it. so the most possible answer I think is that the longer he meditating, the stronger he will get |
| Knov really needs to man the f#ck up :( |
Avenger-senpaiJan 5, 2014 10:19 PM
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| It has to be tough going into a situation knowing you more than likely won't make it back. I think that everyone was trying to make peace with themselves in the short time they have left. Also, Knuckle's " Everyone, human or ant, has a heart. I want to believe this is true. I hope the King has one..." is probably one of my favorite pieces of dialog in this series. |
Ston3_FreeN7Jan 7, 2014 10:12 PM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I'm loving that octopus guy and where is Cheetu.... damn he might show up at the worst possible time.. show time next episode!! |
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| Hey, does anyone know the piece of music that plays when Shoot worries over Killua, sounds like a Guitar piece. I am guessing it is Shoot's theme as I feel like it played during his scenes before. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Somehow I forgot about the King's existential crisis scene. I just love the concept of this all powerful being, who seemingly has the world in the palm of his hand, is questioning the reason for his being alive. What his role is and, if we go off of his comments about the child last episode, if killing those "below him" is really his right after all. For the record, I find the Knov situation to be pretty solid writing. Taking the seemingly cool and calm Knov, put him in a situation where he has to face quite literally the scariest beings alive, and show how much it fucked him up. It's a grim reminder for the other Hunters what they have to face. Which is probably one reason why they never try to judge him or say anything as they realize it could very well be them that are like that ...or worse. And, it really puts the Royal Guard over as the threat they are. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
RedgraveGilver said: Exactly my reaction. Couldn't get the image of Marie Antoinette in Rose of Versailles out of my head lolLOL at Knov having Marie Antoinette syndrome xD That En sure broke him. Poor lad. While I'm slowly starting to appreciate the King and his questionning the point of his existence, you have Gon and Killua that I'm getting more and more worried about. Add to the ominous feeling nothing's gonna go according to plan the quote from Shoot about Killu "on the verge of fading away" and that's enough to have me scared. Can't wait for what's to come. |
| Proud founder of The Official Anti-Ging Freecss Fan Club Join now! Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| So much build up, so much anxiety. How good could the following episodes possibly be? |
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| Derp. More fussing about Knov. Did everyone skip the explanations of Nen in the Heaven's Arena arc or something? It has nothing to do with "manning up", "being strong", or "not whining". -.-; I feel bad for him, tbh. That aura really broke him. I'm just glad he didn't lose any limbs or bodily functions like the cripples in Heaven's Arena (that alone is a testament to the fact that he's a pro Hunter). Still, he's pretty scarred. I know Gon and Kil (particularly Gon) are pumped, but I'm concerned for them. Determination alone won't kill Pitou. If Gon pulls one of his stunts, they're screwed. I hope Morel can pull through. He's been doing a heck of a lot of heavy lifting. ...I wonder what Netero has up his sleeve. |
| lol at the glasses guy so Morel isnt gonna fight at full strengh, thats a bit dissapointing but understandable, he has been using his abilities non stop for about 8 days after all i dont get why they even bothered to send the weird girl in the palace, that plan was bound to fail |
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| Because knowing where the King is would be a big advantage... |
| "Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Weep, and you weep alone". Ella Wheeler Wilcox |
soundscape said: Because knowing where the King is would be a big advantage... an how was she gonna accomplish that? sneak on the 3 royal guards an then sneak on the king an then get outta the palace by herself? its clear what she could get from doing that but it was impossible for her to succed... |
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silversaint said: soundscape said: Because knowing where the King is would be a big advantage... an how was she gonna accomplish that? sneak on the 3 royal guards an then sneak on the king an then get outta the palace by herself? its clear what she could get from doing that but it was impossible for her to succed... She probably was sent as a back up plan or sth, if she could find a chance to do so she would. Not that they had a concrete plan. If you think that she had an alibi too (she was there with an excuse)... |
| "Laugh, and the world laughs with you; Weep, and you weep alone". Ella Wheeler Wilcox |
| Pouf's aura is so powerful against Knov that it turned his hair white from fear. That build up episode though! Let's see how much shit can be thrown at the fan in one episode! |
| not a lot happened this episode, mostly build up for next one. But i really enjoyed the last scene giving the mental states of all the characters. |
~my list
| The hype is real! I have not a clue what's going to happen but I'm pumped! |
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| It's time. |
| Knov's hair turned white ... Hearing everyone's internal thoughts was interesting, lets see how everything turns out |
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| Colts baby is growing up quick |
| I wonder though whether Meruem's twin will play an important part in this. Well not in the final fight of course, but in another future...? |
| The tension in the atmosphere is so great. Dayum knov looks meesed up. |
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| I wonder what that guy (Shoot?) meant when he said Killua is more confident but is also "on the verge of fading away"??? Don't tell me it means he is nearing death or something? Or maybe just that all that talk of Gon-Killua being light-shadow respectively which means Killua is going to be more in the "darkness" as Gon continues to shine (in the light)??? :///// So Knov's has changed even physically and is out of action.. Darn, that En is so lethal. Wonder if Palm is okay :S Now I'm beginning to hesitate whether the King should be killed... I hope he finds some answer(s) before he met with the hunters and proceed to fight/kill them :/ |
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| Oh, snap. Meruem ordering Neferpitou to protect Komugi. That baby is growing. Holy shit. Knov is a ghost of himself. Gon catching feelings for Palm? Don't do that to yourself. |
RobOct 20, 2016 11:21 PM
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Knov is stressed asf if he got Marie Antoinette syndrome... poor him becoming such a wreck. Next episode is the day! |
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