| Just what the title says. Do you hold any unpopular beliefs that you'd rather people wouldn't find out about? Do you generally stand up for any beliefs you hold? Obviously people will act differently on the internet, because of anonymity and of all, but that's not all this thread is about. People will sometimes hold their opinions to themselves, either out of wanting to preserve social harmony, avoiding any social stigma etc.. I wanted to know about your thoughts/opinions/experiences surrounding this phenomenon. I can start by citing myself as an example. A few years ago I used to be a much bigger proponent for eugenics than I am today. If it in a conversation ever came up, I would always refrain from giving my two cents, because I always knew that it would most likely create a shitstorm, and that most people are very critical about those sorts of opinions. They say that ''friends who want to stay friends shouldn't discuss either politics or religion'', and that's often part of it too. Sometimes if I haven't gotten to know someone very well, I'll keep myself from uttering any belief(s) that could potentially alienate them. About a year ago I found out one of my closest friends had for a long time self-identified as a neo-nazi. Now the signs were always there, but had this become apparent sooner, then obviously my disposition towards those kinds of people/beliefs would have had a much greater effect in shaping our relationship. Soo, what are your thoughts on this? Would it be better if people were generally more vocal/open regarding their beliefs? |
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| im not really shameful to have this belief nor do i really hide it but iv met only a select number of people who agree with me but i dont really bring it up much mainly cause theres rarely a need to The war on drugs is causing more deaths than there would be if those drugs would legal, not only do we lose money fighting it but these drugs being off the market give the mobs and gangs a product to sell and make money off of it, more gang violence mean more Innocent caught in the crossfire and way more crime.if illegal drgs like heroin and cocain were legal there would be a giant decrease in crime and the gov't would not only save money and clear up our overcrowded prisons but they'd also make money off of the sale of these grugs even though they would need to be regulated to a heavy extent so that people cant get OD amounts |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Ok, well, I'm an atheist but I tend to keep it to myself IRL. I do stand for it IRL, but I just don't say anything if I can help it. Religious topics greatly divide people IRL, it's too much of a hassle to get into. If someone asks me if I go to church I say no. If someone asks me if I'm religious or believe in god I say no. If they ask me to explain, I will consider it, but most likely I will say that I would rather not talk about it. Not because I'm not confident in my arguments, but because this is a topic that is just too touchy for some people. |
JustALEX said: agreed, and it doesnt help that there are atheists out there that have to be the biggest dicks about it giving us a bad name.Not because I'm not confident in my arguments, but because this is a topic that is just too touchy for some people. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I never bother defending my beliefs because I can't be bothered with arguments/I suck at arguments. If people ask for my opinion I'll give it and that'll be the end of it. |
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| Lol my sexuality is kept to myself. But that's not really a "belief" I guess.. Congratulations MAL community, you know more about me sexually than my own friends and family do :D Erm, socially, my beliefs can change depending on my mood. I can party and get drunk and stuff with other people (I am in college you know), but sometimes, the whole college party scene, with the douchbags and the drunk bitches gets the fuck on my nerves. But I will always act my part, and pretend to enjoy being around these people at the risk of losing my social image. Yea, I cave into peer pressure like I'm made out of paper. But I guess that isn't a "belief" either... hmm |
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| I support Incest. There I said it. |
| Actually, I do recall an argument with one of my EX-friends....it wasn't long before the stereotypical "atheists= immoral people that don't believe in anything and hate god" argument reared it's ugly head. It was a mess, and of course, it wasn't long until it got to me, and I myself started making stereotypical insults towards christians. |
| Hmm... well, unless people directly ask for my opinion, I'm not going to state it. I'm not the kind of person who goes "Hey, have you heard my opinion on *insert controversial issue* today?" Sure, I will defend my beliefs to the death (on the Internet and real life), but unless someone actively challenges it, I couldn't give a shit what they think. You know, I honestly think friendships are built on... shaky ground. The more you know about them, the less you want to associate with them. Just as an example; most of the dormers in freshman year were friends for that one year only. As soon as they moved out of that place, almost all of them disconnected. Why were they friends? Was it cause they shared interests and beliefs? Or was it just because they needed to get rid of their loneliness? Clearly the latter here. I don't know what to think of it. I keep my opinions to myself out of natural habit, not because of conflict prevention. But if people outwardly shared their thoughts more, sure, I'd be okay with it. I mean, I openly discuss politics and religion with an irl friend all the time; he doesn't seem offended by what I say, and I don't get offended by what he thinks. All is fair and square. As for directly answering the topic title: Nope, I stand behind my opinions. I just don't share them unless somebody actually asks for it. Solvite said: slowclap.gifI support Incest. There I said it. |
| I'm against abortion for reasons having nothing to do with religion, however try explaining that here in Europe. People here support abortion seemingly without a reason and if you don't you're a religious nut. My point is that accepting abortion has become so common that if you don't agree with it you're an outcast, therefore I can't voice my genuine opinion about it. |
| I'd never have the guts to defend instinctual marriage irl. I'd never have the guts to tell people "I don't think lolli should be illegal" irl either. I couldn't say "I don't see anything wrong with furries" to someone irl. I would be cautious talking about sadomasochism irl. My whole family thinks I'm christian when I'm actually an atheist. And the biggest of all... NO ONE MUST EVER FIND OUT THAT I WATCH CHINESE CARTOONS IN MY FREE TIME! |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
Ghostony said: Also THIS.And the biggest of all... NO ONE MUST EVER FIND OUT THAT I WATCH CHINESE CARTOONS IN MY FREE TIME! |
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| Not necessarily, or at least there's nothing coming to mind at the moment. The only difference is that I'm not as vocal about my beliefs in person compared to the internet. |
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| frankly, a crapload. i just can't bring myself to bother fighting with others. as long as they don't inflict their shit on me, i'll keep it to myself. |
| I hide a lot of things from my parents.BUt not from my friends.Honestly I am pretty honest to my friends,but lie to my parents.In fact it is like I show my parents a completely different untrue personality. However here is one of the things I don't speak about very often: Apples and grape should be extinct,in fact I hate them so much i wish they never existed.I HATE them.Not for their taste,but for some other reasons.They are one of my rare berserk buttons. |
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bluedragon777 said: However here is one of the things I don't speak about very often: Apples and grape should be extinct,in fact I hate them so much i wish they never existed.I HATE them.Not for their taste,but for some other reasons. What other reasons? |
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bluedragon777 said: I have to ask...Not for their taste,but for some other reasons. |
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bluedragon777 said: was your family killed by a pack of rampaging fruits?Not for their taste,but for some other reasons. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| lol me and my friends/family have debates and discussions all the time regarding things like politics, religion, abortion, etc nobody can beat me in a debate though |
| No, I own up to everything IRL, because I'm not a pathetic tool. |
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Red_Keys said: bluedragon777 said: I have to ask...Not for their taste,but for some other reasons. The fact that I spent a shitload of my childhood working in wineyards and apple plantations.The fact that I was often sprayed with poisonous herbicides and stuff like that.The fact that those made me hate weekends,because most of my weekends i spent in those.The fact that I did labour in those that was too much for average children.The fact that my family almost broke because of those several times,because those were the main source of sadness in my family... I would have been a much happier child without them. I hate them beyond all rationality.In fact my hate towards them is maybe one of my main motivations for finishing college. |
bluedragon777Apr 20, 2013 4:33 PM
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| I can honestly say that I don't. I just don't enjoy holding my beliefs in when I don't have to. Everyone knows that I believe in God, that I'm into anime etc. QueenJenny said: Would it be better if people were generally more vocal/open regarding their beliefs? I think so. People would know what they're getting into rather quickly so they can take things or leave them without any "surprises." |
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RandomChampion said: nobody can beat me in a debate though 3/10 |
Battlechili1 said: I don't want to be friends with people who are open anime fans.Red_Keys said: Ghostony said: Also THIS.And the biggest of all... NO ONE MUST EVER FIND OUT THAT I WATCH CHINESE CARTOONS IN MY FREE TIME! Actually, some people are pretty cool with anime and letting people find out about this can help you find some other local anime fans. It can help make friends. I don't think you should hide this. They're 9 times out of 10 fucking weird. |
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| I'm kind of on the fence about capital punishment, I don't usually voice that, if only for the fact that people seem to interpret you saying you don't really know if you support it or not as a show of ignorance. |
| The thread title seems to imply that real life discussion is more legitimate than internet discussion, which isn't necessarily true. They have different dynamics. I'm also confused as to what constitutes "standing" for something. Vinter said: So edgy.No, I own up to everything IRL, because I'm not a pathetic tool. Ghostony said: Instinctual marriage? Is that when you see someone and instantly know you want to marry them? I'd never have the guts to defend instinctual marriage irl. But seriously, I wish no one had the guts to defend institutional marriage. That would be great. |
JoshApr 20, 2013 4:59 PM
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Araby said: The thread title seems to imply that real life discussion is more legitimate than internet discussion, which isn't necessarily true. They have different dynamics. I'm also confused as to what constitutes "standing" for something. Fixed ;) |
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Araby said: Ghostony said: Instinctual marriage? Is that when you see someone and instantly know you want to marry them? I'd never have the guts to defend instinctual marriage irl. But seriously, I wish no one had the guts to defend institutional marriage. That would be great. Lol, dat autocorrect.. Incestuous* |
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Solvite said: But will you announce that IRL to your father?I gave K-on a 9.0 out of 10 and I meant it. |
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Solvite said: I gave K-on a 9.0 out of 10 and I meant it. >Not giving the single greatest and most philosophical anime of all time a based 10 out 10. |
Red_Keys said: Battlechili1 said: I don't want to be friends with people who are open anime fans.Red_Keys said: Ghostony said: Also THIS.And the biggest of all... NO ONE MUST EVER FIND OUT THAT I WATCH CHINESE CARTOONS IN MY FREE TIME! Actually, some people are pretty cool with anime and letting people find out about this can help you find some other local anime fans. It can help make friends. I don't think you should hide this. They're 9 times out of 10 fucking weird. Oh that's so true. A good friend of mine who got me into anime is weird in a cool/extraverted kind of way, and I have one other friend who's 'openly' an anime fan but I don't think I could bring myself to actually befriend anyone else based on the fact that they like anime. It's no wonder there's stereotypes around people who watch anime, even anime fans think anime fans are weird. I just read that back and it sounds like I only have two friends... think of it what you will. |
Araby said: The thread title seems to imply that real life discussion is more legitimate than internet discussion, which isn't necessarily true. They have different dynamics. I'm also confused as to what constitutes "standing" for something. Vinter said: So edgy.No, I own up to everything IRL, because I'm not a pathetic tool. Was supposed to be provocative, and you got mad, so it clearly worked. :D katsucats said: Solvite said: But will you announce that IRL to your father?I gave K-on a 9.0 out of 10 and I meant it. I gave it a 10/10 and I stand for that shit. K-ON! is fucking awesome. It is the paragon of what a moe blob anime is supposed to be like. Also from a musically technical standpoint, the music is impressive. |
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| For the most part I'm pretty vocal about my beliefs because most of them are grounded in facts or logical reasoning. I don't arbitrarily bring them up but if they come up I will discuss them. If anything, my beliefs are more unpopular on MAL than in real life. Edit: It's actually really sad that VERY RATIONAL feminist views (I am not talking man-hater by ANY stretch) are more readily accepted in real life than on the internet. =/ |
AmberlehApr 20, 2013 6:05 PM
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Vinter said: I almost forgot that typing in regular sentences makes me look mad, lol.Was supposed to be provocative, and you got mad, so it clearly worked. :D |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| A teacher in my university asked the whole class who didn't believe in god. I was the only one raising my hand, then the awkward stares and questions from everyone. Since then, I keep that kind of topics to myself. It's worthless when you live in a shithole country with no education and therefore without diversity of opinions. |
| I don't think I have any unpopular views, but I feel that I shouldn't voice some of my not so unpopular views with some people (particularly my family). |
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Solvite said: Yeah, I've been thinking I really want to do my cousin sometime.I support Incest. There I said it. MellowJello said: I have a friend from high school who is really vocal about her religion, which I frankly don't agree with. And I feel she's pushing her beliefs on me and it feels really uncomfortable. Possibly the only reason I'm friends with her is because besides that part, she is a good girl and I'd feel horrible leaving. She doesn't seem open with the fact that I may think differently and with her it's hard to voice out what I think.You know, I honestly think friendships are built on... shaky ground. The more you know about them, the less you want to associate with them. Just as an example; most of the dormers in freshman year were friends for that one year only. As soon as they moved out of that place, almost all of them disconnected. Why were they friends? Was it cause they shared interests and beliefs? Or was it just because they needed to get rid of their loneliness? Clearly the latter here. I don't know what to think of it. I keep my opinions to myself out of natural habit, not because of conflict prevention. But if people outwardly shared their thoughts more, sure, I'd be okay with it. I mean, I openly discuss politics and religion with an irl friend all the time; he doesn't seem offended by what I say, and I don't get offended by what he thinks. All is fair and square. As for directly answering the topic title: Nope, I stand behind my opinions. I just don't share them unless somebody actually asks for it. Nor with my family. Otherwise, I couldn't care less what they think about me, though I don't tell anyone my opinions unless asked directly. |
RandomChampion said: lol me and my friends/family have debates and discussions all the time regarding things like politics, religion, abortion, etc nobody can beat me in a debate though Because there's no point in "debating" with an ignorant warmonger. |
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| No, I don't really have unpopular beliefs. I just say them (when depending in a situation) and say it when the opportunity could be right or un-harmful. But I don't bring up my beliefs out of nowhere. Only when asked or a conversation is leading to talk about beliefs/a belief. I'm not afraid to speak on my beliefs. Unless I can't express them well, or know that I won't be able to support them well to convince people I'm right in a debate (that only applies on class debates). Or when I know its best not to use my belief or simply because it is unneeded. But of course sometimes I'll choose not to because I just don't want to or find any great reason to voice my belief. Most of the time (in classes) I only voice them when I feel strongly about them. |
waalex11Apr 20, 2013 9:07 PM
| Well, I've always been a bit of a social gadfly or a contrarian towards my friends and family, I like to express unpopular opinions (not always my own) just to provoke a lively argument. What's the point of independent thought in a world where everyone agrees on everything? If I have no sincerely held unpopular opinions on a topic, I'm quick to make up the most controversial statement and roll with it. Darkbling said: I stand up for all my beliefs. How to treat parents, religion, etc. And by religion, I mean if people bother me or others about religion, I'll tell them off and prove that mine is superior. Our Goddess Nagisa will save us all from Fake-Nagisa (yes I'm being serious). On to a serious note, if you truly believe in something, you'll fight it to the grave no matter what. But how can this be so, H.P. Lovecraft/Abdul Alhazhred was the one true prophet of humanity's doom! |
Snake_tartareApr 20, 2013 9:29 PM
| I would never hide what I believe in, although I recognize that's not always the smartest choice. I accidentally let it slip that I was pro-choice in the eighth grade. Classmates antagonized for the rest of the school year. I was bullied a lot in middle school already, so none of this stuff was any worse than what I had already experienced, but it was the first time I was hated for what I thought and not what I looked like: My name was scribbled on a white board once, accompanied by "is a baby murderer". My locker and English desk were vandalized, proclaiming I was disgusting and evil. I was pushed around in the hallways, and I had to fend off a gang of women who were ready to jump me for my view. (I am extremely lucky for two things: One, I am naturally stronger than most females, and two, a teacher was leading their class to lunch when I was corned in the stairwell. So they had to beat it.) Jesus, I am glad to be in high school now. |
Forgetfulness said: I know I'm right but people could disagree, I think homosexuality isn't "normal". Well, it probably has a lot to do with how I was raised homosexuality is normal because, its from a human being that had the potential in his brain to become gay. "They were born gay." I'd rather say, its not common than not normal. But I get what you mean. Most people are straight, which is in a way 'more normal' in society. |
waalex11 said: homosexuality is normal because, its from a human being that had the potential in his brain to become gay. "They were born gay." What definition of normal are you using here? Some people are born with extra limbs, but that doesn't make it ''normal''. |
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