People complaining about "sexualized" characters and "weird anime things" in general are oblivious both to art and culture
| First of let's get rid of the most vacuous and overused argument, namely telling people who love fan-service and related themes to watch hentai or porn instead. That's plain ignorance and inability to perceive the world through the lenses of someone else, or in other words - the mental projection by which people with such opinions attribute to others what is in their own mind. Everything you deem "problematic" is in YOUR own head. Next, have you even read the classical literature, myths and honestly anything which was created outside of the prude societies? Greek mythology is essentially anime-stories with superpowers, incest, fanservice and all kinds of "weird" things you can witness in anime medium. And that's not even a surprise, because Japanese, same as ancient Greeks, Romans and others, used to be pagans. Their own mythology is similar to that of antiquity. Are you aware that some of the gods like Izanagi and Izanami, while being siblings, also were husband and wife? Or that in some religions, like Zoroastrianism, consanguine marriage used to be considered a good thing? Do you know that in the Bible two daughters seduced their father and had children with him? Or better yet, Oedipus killed his own father and fucked his mother later on. There are incalculable things in literature and folklore which are unacceptable by modern standards, but to equate these morals to fiction is not only stupid by itself, it will also destroy creativity, freedom of expression and even thought. When morally or legally questionable theme is brought up in fiction the only sane thing to do is not to replicate it in real life, but to advocate for its cancelation is akin to burning books. Now let's look at visual aesthetics of the past. Here you have a painting of Lucifer by Alexandre Cabanel (1847)  And here is David's sculpture by Michelangelo from ~500 years ago.  They are more "sexualized" than any anime girl, so I guess those who appreciate these masterpieces should just watch porn instead, huh? Absurd. One of the main points of visual art is the pursuing of BEAUTY. Beautiful things are pleasant to the eye, soul and mind. Seeking beauty isn't "creepy" or any other witless epithets people use to describe anime fans who like beautiful things. It's better for anime to have better-written story. It's better for anime to have professional animation. It's better for anime to have breathtaking scenery. It's better for anime to have deeper worldbuilding. It's better for anime to have prettier, sexier and cuter characters. tl;dr learn more about the world p.s. the modern culture of outrage, pride and ignorance sucks big, scorching Cerberus's dicks. |
| Understandable. Point made. Opinions of others worry me but it isn't a burden enough to try to convince them in thinking otherwise. Have a good day. |
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IpreferEcchi said: This is how they look at you upon arrival. Your taste is sus. I want to exile people who complain to other countries and bring more Japanese people to my country.  |
kycnui said: IpreferEcchi said: This is how they look at you upon arrival. Your taste is sus. https://c.tenor.com/160ZP1AognIAAAAM/dwayne-johnson-looking.gifI want to exile people who complain to other countries and bring more Japanese people to my country. My taste was created by Japanese people. If you're calling me sus, you're calling Japan sus. Normie. |
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| Yeah, but does sexualizing anime girls give them depth as characters? pretty sure not, the usual panty-shot and bathroom scenes are just there for attracting coomers, those do NOT have any artistic value at all compared to that Lucifer painting, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any problems with ecchi and naked ladies/boys on his manga and anime Sorry man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system try harder |
Ganji_No_TensaiAug 12, 2022 4:56 PM
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-Shizuna- said: First of let's get rid of the most vacuous and overused argument, namely telling people who love fan-service and related themes to watch hentai or porn instead. That's plain ignorance and inability to perceive the world through the lenses of someone else, or in other words - the mental projection by which people with such opinions attribute to others what is in their own mind. Everything you deem "problematic" is in YOUR own head. Next, have you even read the classical literature, myths and honestly anything which was created outside of the prude societies? Greek mythology is essentially anime-stories with superpowers, incest, fanservice and all kinds of "weird" things you can witness in anime medium. And that's not even a surprise, because Japanese, same as ancient Greeks, Romans and others, used to be pagans. Their own mythology is similar to that of antiquity. Are you aware that some of the gods like Izanagi and Izanami, while being siblings, also were husband and wife? Or that in some religions, like Zoroastrianism, consanguine marriage used to be considered a good thing? Do you know that in the Bible two daughters seduced their father and had children with him? Or better yet, Oedipus killed his own father and fucked his mother later on. There are incalculable things in literature and folklore which are unacceptable by modern standards, but to equate these morals to fiction is not only stupid by itself, it will also destroy creativity, freedom of expression and even thought. When morally or legally questionable theme is brought up in fiction the only sane thing to do is not to replicate it in real life, but to advocate for its cancelation is akin to burning books. Now let's look at visual aesthetics of the past. Here you have a painting of Lucifer by Alexandre Cabanel (1847) And here is David's sculpture by Michelangelo from ~500 years ago. They are more "sexualized" than any anime girl, so I guess those who appreciate these masterpieces should just watch porn instead, huh? Absurd. One of the main points of visual art is the pursuing of BEAUTY. Beautiful things are pleasant to the eye, soul and mind. Seeking beauty isn't "creepy" or any other witless epithets people use to describe anime fans who like beautiful things. It's better for anime to have better-written story. It's better for anime to have professional animation. It's better for anime to have breathtaking scenery. It's better for anime to have deeper worldbuilding. It's better for anime to have prettier, sexier and cuter characters. tl;dr learn more about the world p.s. the modern culture of outrage, pride and ignorance sucks big, scorching Cerberus's dicks. Haven't seen a post this based in ages. |
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Fanservice scenes in anime are art and culture? Pretty sure those are just bait from authors/anime studios in order to attract more audiences because male watchers just like to see bewbs or any scenes which appease their carnal desire :) |
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| Don't have to convince me. I was already of the opinion that it's dumb to get worked up over fictional boobs. "Oh no, this has fictional cleavage, I need to avert my pure, untainted eyes" "oh good, it's gone...now I can get back to watching this crazy over the top violence without these pesky boobs in my face". |
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| Beauty is everywhere in media so complaints about it seem pretty ridiculous to me. |
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7eeks said: Did you just compare Michelangelo to anime titties. Why do you feel the need to hide your degeneracy behind this nonsense? You watch ecchi and like fan-service because boobies go boing boing not because it has artistic value that rivals the likes of history’s greatest artists and is making great cultural advancements. You are but a simple minded coomer, my friend. This guy is speaking facts. You can't just compare Michelangelo to some bazoinkers that get your motor going. |
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| I see no problems applying morals to fiction. You wouldn’t watch Jud Süß, a Nazi era film produced by Joseph Goebbels and widely considered to be the most antisemitic piece of media ever created and go “it’s just fiction bro”. I admit that this is an extreme example, but stories carry with them morals and I see nothing wrong with voicing displeasure when those morals are disagreeable to us. What that reaction should look like is a wholly different discussion entirely, but I will say the world has bigger problems than Anime Boobs. As for art, people value classical literature for reasons beyond their stories in that they give us insight into the thinking and culture of the times and eras they were written. I don’t think anyone gives Oedipus Rex a “pass” for its content, rather it serves as a way of understanding the ancient Greeks and their cultural values surrounding incest, patricide, and religion. Even still, classics are not above a modern day analysis. For example, people recognize Uncle Tom’s Cabin as an important piece of literature but still note its offensive use of racial stereotypes. As for what constitutes the line between pornography and art, that’s a highly contentious topic that even legal scholars have difficulty defining. In short, art, like Michelangelo's David, focuses on the Human form as a whole, where as pornography is only concerned with eliciting a sexual response from the viewer. I am sure there are Anime that fall into the former category, but let’s be real, big round voluptuous anime tities are the latter 99% of the time…not that that’s necessarily a problem.  |
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Ganji-MEX said: Yeah, but does sexualizing anime girls give them depth as characters? pretty sure not, the usual panty-shot and bathroom scenes are just there for attracting coomers, those do NOT have any artistic value at all compared to that Lucifer painting, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any problems with ecchi and naked ladies/boys on his manga and anime Sorry man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system try harder It doesn't have to have depth. It's entertainment. It creates deeper bonds between couples who want to spice things up, though. Sexual satisfaction = more motivation to do boring ass things "for society." |
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Ganji-MEX said: Yeah, but before using the term "sexualization" can you please give a solid, concrete definition of said term? You do realize that people are different and thus have different standards and different preferences even within the same culture and time frame, do you? If not, ask your parents. Each of them. Pretty sure they'll give quite different answers.yeah, but does sexualizing anime girls give them depth as characters? pretty sure not, the usual panty-shot and bathroom scenes are just there for attracting coomers, those do NOT have any artistic value at all compared to that Lucifer painting, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any problems with ecchi and naked ladies/boys on his manga and anime sorry man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system try harder Some people would be aroused even by a naked shoulder, for Christ sake. And looks like you haven't seen enough anime - there are a lot of scenes when characters intimately bond together on an emotional and personal levels but not on a physical one precisely because they are in a bathroom. Imagine that, there is a legit psychological symbolism in that - that wasn't even invented by anime: people are naked and thus vulnerable, they can open to each other more easily. Like, god damn, do you think that lovers took bath together so they can just fuck? Granted, one can lead to another, but that's not the point. Another question is - what is "usual panty-shot"? I know what an unusual one is, I'm familiar with Agent Aika, this shit breaks the laws of physics, optics especially. But what about, say, Chuu-Bra! - was this also made just for "coomers"? I doubt a horny teenage boy could stomach that much of a technical details babble. Imagine that - people could just look at well-built human bodies in underwear or even without it just for the sake of pure aesthetic pleasure. It adds to the overall experience. Sorry, man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system, try harder. This shit has been discussed to the Hell and back more times than we can count. Rinrinka said: Spoken like a true Christian.Fanservice scenes in anime are art and culture? Pretty sure those are just bait from authors/anime studios in order to attract more audiences because male watchers just like to see bewbs or any scenes which appease their carnal desire That, or someone who still has a lot of growing up before them. It's normal to be aware of men's instincts when you're a teenager, it's a safety measure. But god help one if the same worldview is still active at adult age. P.S. I was about to use the dreadful Es Jei Double U abbreviation, but that's kinda dirty play, so I used next mostly often used religious comparison. Which is also not a good move, but I had to use at least some easily recognizable example. Sorry for beating a dead horse. |
 There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.  Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
IpreferEcchi said: Ganji-MEX said: Yeah, but does sexualizing anime girls give them depth as characters? pretty sure not, the usual panty-shot and bathroom scenes are just there for attracting coomers, those do NOT have any artistic value at all compared to that Lucifer painting, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any problems with ecchi and naked ladies/boys on his manga and anime Sorry man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system try harder It doesn't have to have depth. It's entertainment. It creates deeper bonds between couples who want to spice things up, though. Isn't the point of art to be deep and philosophical? I've taken my time to check out a lot of different anime and mangas (thus explaining why i don't drop anything), and the point of these is solely to have the breats to appeal to those horny japanese kids/teens. I'm not too sure about the couples thing, considering that there isn't a lot of manga/anime that have both male and female ecchi, so it's mostly the guy getting horny for the girl. |
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Ganji-MEX said: Isn't the point of art to be deep and philosophical? I've taken my time to check out a lot of different anime and mangas (thus explaining why i don't drop anything), and the point of these is solely to have the breats to appeal to those horny japanese kids/teens. No. Art is something you specialize in that people like you for. I'm not too sure about the couples thing, considering that there isn't a lot of manga/anime that have both male and female ecchi Couples make cosplay sex videos for OnlyFans. Characters created by Japan. |
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IpreferEcchi said: Ganji-MEX said: Isn't the point of art to be deep and philosophical? I've taken my time to check out a lot of different anime and mangas (thus explaining why i don't drop anything), and the point of these is solely to have the breats to appeal to those horny japanese kids/teens. No. Art is something you specialize in that people like you for. I'm not too sure about the couples thing, considering that there isn't a lot of manga/anime that have both male and female ecchi Couples make cosplay sex videos for OnlyFans. Characters created by Japan. >No. Art is something you specialize in that people like you for. Makes sense. I'll let it go since I enjoy kink art which I shall not mention for my own sake. >Couples make cosplay sex videos for OnlyFans. Characters created by Japan. Ah. So apparently sex tapes are art? That's a interesting take. |
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7eeks said: I was about to post this exact thing, you have taken the words right out of my mouth.Did you just compare Michelangelo to anime titties. Why do you feel the need to hide your degeneracy behind this nonsense? You watch ecchi and like fan-service because boobies go boing boing not because it has artistic value that rivals the likes of history’s greatest artists and is making great cultural advancements. You are but a simple minded coomer, my friend. |
PhantasistaG said: Not really, it's just a cheap lazy story device to instantly make a "there is a cute/sexy girl/woman who's living in the same house as me, not embarrassed of being close and already likes me" setting, thus cutting "how we met, got to know each other and like each other" corners.Incest in modern anime does not come from high and mighty mythology but from some twist in that "the girl you talk to, probably likes you," and "Your family probably shares your values/is proud of you". Ganji-MEX said: lolwutIsn't the point of art to be deep and philosophical? I've taken my time to check out a lot of different anime and mangas (thus explaining why i don't drop anything), and the point of these is solely to have the breats to appeal to those horny japanese kids/teens. I'm not too sure about the couples thing, considering that there isn't a lot of manga/anime that have both male and female ecchi, so it's mostly the guy getting horny for the girl. Art is just art, duh. It can be primitive or high. Moreover, it can be both. And no other medium likes to mix different themes as anime (manga). Having a pantsushot in a serious business anime doesn't invalidate its themes. Just as having a dumb joke in deadly serious anime doesn't invalidate its themes. How smart or tasteful it is - well, that's another subject. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
Rinrinka said: Fanservice scenes in anime are art and culture? Pretty sure those are just bait from authors/anime studios in order to attract more audiences because male watchers just like to see bewbs or any scenes which appease their carnal desire :) Nah, it's literally just you being sexist or at least genuinely ignorant and judging. There are tons of guys who watch anime for tons of reasons besides "boobs", there are tons of whamen watching anime, many of them being okay with fanservice, some of them even being the kind of fans the service applies to, and we all know that, but it wouldn't fit in your sexist view on men :-((((( PS: For someone who's ranting about SJW's you surely spoke like a true obese feminist on twitter. |
Ganji-MEX said: >No. Art is something you specialize in that people like you for. Makes sense. I'll let it go since I enjoy kink art which I shall not mention for my own sake. >Couples make cosplay sex videos for OnlyFans. Characters created by Japan. Ah. So apparently sex tapes are art? That's a interesting take. >INTP 5w4 That tells me all I need to know about you. Enneagram 5 and Enneagram 8 have the lowest agreeableness. |
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Ganji-MEX said: What's the depth in the Lucifer painting? What is the artistic value of it? I'm genuinely curious what do people find so great about Greek painting/sculptures. Is it the fact that they were created a long time ago, hence why they have artistic value? Couldn't the same be applied to anime girls with big tiddies after 100 years? Yeah, but does sexualizing anime girls give them depth as characters? pretty sure not, the usual panty-shot and bathroom scenes are just there for attracting coomers, those do NOT have any artistic value at all compared to that Lucifer painting, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any problems with ecchi and naked ladies/boys on his manga and anime Sorry man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system try harder |
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| It's simple actually to differentiate the artistic value. While watching an art if the blood flows up (that is to your brain) then it means you are enjoying its aesthetics but if blood flows down then you are just being horny. |
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Weeaboo_Bomber said: Rinrinka said: Fanservice scenes in anime are art and culture? Pretty sure those are just bait from authors/anime studios in order to attract more audiences because male watchers just like to see bewbs or any scenes which appease their carnal desire :) Nah, it's literally just you being sexist or at least genuinely ignorant and judging. There are tons of guys who watch anime for tons of reasons besides "boobs", there are tons of whamen watching anime, many of them being okay with fanservice, some of them even being the kind of fans the service applies to, and we all know that, but it wouldn't fit in your sexist view on men :-((((( PS: For someone who's ranting about SJW's you surely spoke like a true obese feminist on twitter. For sure I didn't say that all men watch anime because of boobs only though, each person have their own motives on watching anime, I also didn't say I hate fanservices, male watchers liking boobs is so normal and I have no problems with that at all since it's their life, not mine :) I get it you're so worked up on bashing any sexist people, Mr knight in shining armor, but I think it's better if you read comments more carefully next time with cool head, just an advice to prevent any misfire in the future :) |
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IpreferEcchi said: Oh? Someone understand that abbreviated shit? Damn. Wish somebody could explain it to me. Because it looks like one of our local, national pseudo-scientific "systems".>INTP 5w4 That tells me all I need to know about you. Enneagram 5 and Enneagram 8 have the lowest agreeableness. Yuu_Kanzaki said: Pretty much. Jerome K. Jerome himself once wrote about how probably those cheap toys for toddlers, dime for a dozen, somewhere in a future will be prized artifacts, carefully placed under glass in some museum. And that was end of XIX century.Is it the fact that they were created a long time ago, hence why they have artistic value? Couldn't the same be applied to anime girls with big tiddies after 100 years? Lincanfer said: ...so, when someone watching slice-of-life and feels how blood leaving his brain, that means one's horny? +)It's simple actually to differentiate the artistic value. While watching an art if the blood flows up (that is to your brain) then it means you are enjoying its aesthetics but if blood flows down then you are just being horny. |
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value. Persona anime are good. Deal with it. |
| did you just unironically compare anime fanservice to a michelangelo sculpture...? whatever, I'll take the bait. yeah artistic nudity exists, but there's a very clear difference between that and just softcore porn. personally I don't think anyone is getting off to that sculpture in the same way theyre getting off to a panty shot but you know what you do you I guess |
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| That kind of people usually get enraged after seeing one dumb fanservice frame, but are okay with oversexualization of everything in public space. Oh, and they might also be oblivious to the canons of beauty and art in general as well. |
| I've got a few critiques. You've got the right idea, but i think you're being far too strong in your statements and coming off just as wrong. Not sure what spurred on this thread, so maybe it's just emotion that caused the overstatements. People often treat art with some sort of immunity in which there is no wrong that can be done or no criticism against it which is valid. Which is obviously not true. Problematic behavior is in people's head just as much as non-problematic behavior is, there's not much being said with that statement of yours. Something can be objectively problematic so long as you have something to measure it against, which in turn becomes regardless of the individual. Parents mating with their children to create more offspring is a good example as something to measure against, if we view that as a bad thing. Due to the child abuse or biology aspect inherent to that practice, there are things which are objectively problematic with respect to that, such as explicitly encouraging it and lying about it. The historical examples also go against your own argument, because we know they didn't know anything about biology in comparison to today, with what incest actually does to offspring. Especially generational incest. It goes against your argument because these stories and mythologies have literally died out, and even when they're used just for entertainment purposes, it's always heavily altered from the source material. Art is often a reflection of the society or culture it comes from, not the other way around, so it's no surprise people are against seeing certain outdated things that used to be morally permissible but are now wrong morally and biologically. Your comment about equating morals to fiction is right in that it shouldn't be done, at least in the way that people typically do when critiquing anime. But you're grossly overstating that it destroys creativity and freedom of expression and thought. The existence of their counter-narrative is because of that same freedom, and it allows them to criticize. The legality part is interesting, since laws are downstream from morals, it's kind of a automatic win for them when you concede that point. Because you've created a line in the sand with laws that you do not cross, the issue is laws are slow moving in comparison to morals, and those people agree with you, they just have a different idea of where the line is or ought to be. The response to seeing things that go past said line isn't just not to replicate it, there are instances where even you would advocate for it's cancellation. Completely accurate weapon, bomb, and other terrorist arsonal manufacturing is something that ought be cancelled. Perhaps even ideology, for example justifying and advocating for school shootings in a country where it's a big issue. There are hard lines, which i know you know, and it's more about how something is told rather than it simply existing. There are responsible and irresponsible ways to do certain themes. Meaning, they aren't technically wrong in their criticism, depending on the criticism. There is certain merit to it. That's pretty much it, i don't disagree with the core of what you're saying. I think you're just overstating some points. TL;DR big word, too strong. less word, just right. smorc. |
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NorthmostIsle said: I greatly appreciate seeing this take. On point effort posts are a rarity.I see no problems applying morals to fiction. You wouldn’t watch Jud Süß, a Nazi era film produced by Joseph Goebbels and widely considered to be the most antisemitic piece of media ever created and go “it’s just fiction bro”. I admit that this is an extreme example, but stories carry with them morals and I see nothing wrong with voicing displeasure when those morals are disagreeable to us. What that reaction should look like is a wholly different discussion entirely, but I will say the world has bigger problems than Anime Boobs. As for art, people value classical literature for reasons beyond their stories in that they give us insight into the thinking and culture of the times and eras they were written. I don’t think anyone gives Oedipus Rex a “pass” for its content, rather it serves as a way of understanding the ancient Greeks and their cultural values surrounding incest, patricide, and religion. Even still, classics are not above a modern day analysis. For example, people recognize Uncle Tom’s Cabin as an important piece of literature but still note its offensive use of racial stereotypes. As for what constitutes the line between pornography and art, that’s a highly contentious topic that even legal scholars have difficulty defining. In short, art, like Michelangelo's David, focuses on the Human form as a whole, where as pornography is only concerned with eliciting a sexual response from the viewer. I am sure there are Anime that fall into the former category, but let’s be real, big round voluptuous anime tities are the latter 99% of the time…not that that’s necessarily a problem. |
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Well, you're right... there in Japan there are animes for all kinds of people, the bad reviews of an anime are because that anime didn't have the things that certain people like that simple |
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Ganji-MEX said: Yeah, but does sexualizing anime girls give them depth as characters? pretty sure not, the usual panty-shot and bathroom scenes are just there for attracting coomers, those do NOT have any artistic value at all compared to that Lucifer painting, and this is coming from someone who doesn't have any problems with ecchi and naked ladies/boys on his manga and anime Sorry man, if you're trying to find a loophole in the system try harder Have you ever tried to draw or sculp anything? I did and the main driving factor for me was to make it look good according to my own aesthetic criteria. The way I see it, most artists either pursue the same ideal or attempt to send some message via their work. |
-Shizuna- said: Rinrinka said: Fanservice scenes in anime are art and culture? Pretty sure those are just bait from authors/anime studios in order to attract more audiences because male watchers just like to see bewbs or any scenes which appease their carnal desire :) You did exactly what I've described in the first paragraph. Sorry for appearing as overbearing in my message, but you should try to understand that's just how you see things and different people watch anime for different reasons to yours. Oho, what did I do again? I don't see anything problematic with fanservices, and of course I understand not all anime fans are horny and they have their own reasons, like being wannabe critics or just wanting to kill time for example. Also I understand if male watchers like fanservices because it appeases their libido and there's nothing wrong with that, it's completely normal :) But seeing fanservice scenes as art and culture? I'm sorry but that's one of the funniest things I've ever heard about anime, there's nothing artistic about thing which is just merely an entertainment to increase anime sales :D |
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| @NorthmostIsle (Un)fortunately, I haven't seen this film and neither I'm interested in doing so, so I'm not really qualified to comment on it. Although, I admit that politicizing art medium for the sake of pushing propaganda doesn't sit right with me. As for the differentiation between pornography and art my main criteria would be effort and talent instead of whether it stimulates erotic feelings or not. In my view, filming people having sex is different to drawing a high-quality art with the same theme. |
| Le tiny peepee sculpture man in op's post makes me giggle. |
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garlicdreab said: did you just unironically compare anime fanservice to a michelangelo sculpture...? whatever, I'll take the bait. yeah artistic nudity exists, but there's a very clear difference between that and just softcore porn. personally I don't think anyone is getting off to that sculpture in the same way theyre getting off to a panty shot but you know what you do you I guess There are all sorts of people in the world, so I wouldn't be surprised if some had a fetish for classical sculptures! Also, drawing high-quality panties while taking into account the character proportions, position, lightning and environment takes a lot of effort. How is this not art? https://i.ibb.co/JmJcmTy/12.jpg https://i.ibb.co/L5SVLjr/13.jpg https://i.ibb.co/j8VkgBc/3.png |
| @Lunilah and @NorthmostIsle pretty much summed up all that I wanted to say on the topic. Just one thing I'll like to point out is that you brought up a lot of examples (such as Oedipus), but iirc a majority were not presented in a positive light and some of the more abhorrent acts were condemned and used as warnings - Oedipus suffered a terrible fate when he realised the implications of what he had done (he was unaware of her being his mother) if my memory serves me right, and the downfall of several iconic mythical figures like Heracles (or Hercules) were attributed to their uncontrollable carnal urges. Hell, so many tragedies arose from the inability of gods like Zeus and Poseidon to leave a pretty face alone. In short, some of these transgressions were not glorified in the first place, so why would you use them to support your personal preference for fetishes and anime boobs? You're free to like whatever you like (as long as it doesn't bother anyone else), but going to such desperate measures such as citing one-off ancient myths reeks of insecurity. Liking fanservice is cool by itself, enjoy what you enjoy on your own terms. You don't really have to throw poor old Michelangelo into the mix and compare his works with shoddily drawn anime females with drooping tits. There aren't too many cases where fanservice goes beyond catering to some of the baser instincts of the viewers and instead becomes truly artistic, although this is more of a subjective point. |
| @Lunilah your critique is appreciated. My ability to express myself in English is rather limited to this day, thus I may come off more emotional or overbearing than I really am. I'd argue that incest is forbidden/frowned upon in many countries simply because the idea itself is considered to be gross rather than people and legislators caring about biology and public health. Otherwise individuals with genetic disorders would be banned from reproduction as well and that would lead to eugenics and open a whole can of worms. However, my point isn't about his. If something like incest or any other morally/legally questionable thing happens in fiction that's just a part of the story and should be treated as such. If it's not to someone's liking they should just skip it instead of advocating for its cancelation or calling author and/or fans of the work in question disgusting/creepy/etc.. What I mean, it's fine do dislike certain things, but egocentric point of view causes nothing but strife in the community. It's especially evident in anime community where a lot of "problematic" themes are very common. For example, I consider Western animation ("cartoons", but that's the same thing) to be unpleasant in appearance most of the time same as modern art, but I will not go to forums dedicated to them just to express my thoughts about it and call people all sorts of names just because - instead I'll just watch or read something I'm interested in. |
| Don't forget the people who call you a pedo because you are into lolis. |
ateks said: Don't forget the people who call you a pedo because you are into lolis. I know when I first got into lolis, but I'm not sure which loli specifically. Since I made a loli forum game on Feb 1, 2017. (https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1589186) I think around that time I said Makie Sasaki. But there might have been one from a random anime at an earlier point.  Oh yeah. It started with these: (first one is fake and hairstyle only) (second is actual loli character I think)   |
IpreferEcchiAug 13, 2022 2:09 AM
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| You see the difference between the art pieces you posted and anime is that the art pieces show the beautiful male form, while anime 99% of the time focuses on the female form. Ofc great art pieces of female nudity exist, but do any of them ever come close to the beauty of David? Of course not. Anime cannot be called art until they release the male characters from the restraints of clothing! That's why Free is the only good anime. |
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ateks said: Don't forget the people who call you a pedo because you are into lolis. True, even though real kids look and act nothing like loli characters. |
| too long didnt read all of that shit.. |
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