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| Definitely a dangerous high risk mission for Takeru and his squad this episode. In fact, that turned into more than a mission. It became more like a battlefield where anything can happen. Takeru should feel lucky he's with a talented squad. This mission posed quite a threat to everyone tbh. |
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| Now you add the Shogun narrative, and that just feels hamfisted. Meiya being the Shogun only makes sense 50/50, and Takeru just blindly following the flow due to respect and all, to me it doesn't click, even if Takeru could timeleap to change the future. But this is an urgent mission, and Takeru and the rest must see this to completion.` The Japan to US Army's English transmission of "English can eat shit" was unironically hilarious though, that is one I'll remember fondly from this horrible adaptation. The US Army is capable indeed, and the English is somewhat decent to shield Takeru's unit of transporting Meiya's twin sister to safe lands. Walken iis god-tier commander. The mission changes to the Mission Critical phase, and thank God it was a mission success...except that in the midst of all this, the Shogun fainted due to excessive motion sickness. Welp, what's gonna happen now? |
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| looks like Meiya will become the next Shogun huh since her twin sister which is the current Shogun is now dead the 3DCG mecha battles are nice too |
| Wow, this was actually better than i expected, also Walken the GOAT |
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| I see. So this is where the budget was going. |
| Damn this episode was hype. Really hurts to see all the low scores for the show. I think it’s been great so far. Love the characters and it’s a nice introduction to the world. Obviously the VN is better but that’s the case for any adaptation besides steins gate |
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| I don't understand the politics introduced in this episode. Is Meiya's sister both a shogun and an empress? ixarising said: I'm glad they kept the English can eat shit part but they didn't explain why Meiya and Yuuhi are living separately, are they expecting fans outside Japan to immediately understand kagemusha? If the Japanese can understand it, they obviously wouldn't care that we don't. "English can eat shit" after all. |
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dailybread said: nah, Yuuhi is just the shogun Then why is she treated like royalty? Does this reality not have a royal family? Japanese emperors have always commanded respect, even when the shogunate held greater political power. |
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| Continues being a decent enough and fun adaptation. Could have been much better with a higher budget though, as this is a hugely action centered VN despite its infodumpy nature. Then again, that's already indeed better than most VN adaptations around, since they are taking their time as they well should have from the start (alas we got that one rushed episode 3, which was a bad choice, considering we don't have Extra nor Unlimited proper adaptations to justify the skip, unlike the manga). Marinate1016 said: Damn this episode was hype. Really hurts to see all the low scores for the show. I think it’s been great so far. Love the characters and it’s a nice introduction to the world. Obviously the VN is better but that’s the case for any adaptation besides steins gate Steins;Gate's adaptation cut nearly every single hard sci-fi element the visual novel is so famous for and created a chunk of holes because of it. Anyone who actually read Steins:Gate's VN will tell you exactly even how many character arcs and plot points they either heavily abridged or omitted altogether. Got worse (though with some interesting improvements) in S;G 0's. So yeah, no way in hell it's better than the VN. The only really good VN adaptations that come to mind are Clannad After Story (solely for the content it adapted specifically, first season was a rushed mess that just don't work as well as the VN) and Utawarerumono (which took some dubious liberties with some early reveals and foreshadowing, for better and worse). maybe the Ace Attorney anime too, but good God the animation budget was painfully terrible and actually screwed a bit my own enjoyment, and that's actually rare since I don't care much about that sort of thing. Would include UBW too, if only it didn't nearly omitted every single monologue characterizing Shirou, in his most important arc, it was quite detrimental lol |
DanpmssDec 2, 2021 8:45 AM
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ixarising said: In early Unlimited Yuuko explain to Takeru because Japan surrendered during WW2 in that world, so the Shogunate wasn't dissolved, thus the Shogun still exist in that Japan as the highest authority figure as granted by the Emperor. That explanation doesn’t make any sense. The real shogunate was dissolved long before World War 2. |
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Lucifrost said: ixarising said: In early Unlimited Yuuko explain to Takeru because Japan surrendered during WW2 in that world, so the Shogunate wasn't dissolved, thus the Shogun still exist in that Japan as the highest authority figure as granted by the Emperor. That explanation doesn’t make any sense. The real shogunate was dissolved long before World War 2. Look at this, it explains the timeline. https://muvluv.fandom.com/wiki/Alternative_Timeline |
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Marinate1016 said: Damn this episode was hype. Really hurts to see all the low scores for the show. I think it’s been great so far. Love the characters and it’s a nice introduction to the world. Obviously the VN is better but that’s the case for any adaptation besides steins gate Danpmss said: Steins;Gate's adaptation cut nearly every single hard sci-fi element the visual novel is so famous for and created a chunk of holes because of it. Anyone who actually read Steins:Gate's VN will tell you exactly even how many character arcs and plot points they either heavily abridged or omitted altogether. Got worse (though with some interesting improvements) in S;G 0's. So yeah, no way in hell it's better than the VN. Just gotta chime in and say that I was quite bemused at why Steins;Gate the anime ranks among the top animes on every site lol. It's worse than the VN experience in every aspect. And the way the ruined Kurisu's face while the Steins;Gate the VN is arguably the VN with the most beautiful artwork out there... smh. But yeah I guess I'm also bemused at how Steins;Gate can even rank so close to Muv-Luv Alternative on VNDB in the first place, so. And actually I heard that the Utawarerumono anime adaptation is generally not well received? (Am reading Itsuwari no Kamen the VN at the moment and it's such a blast, so much better than Uta 1...) I guess as a general rule when some work of art was conceived with one particular medium in mind, an adaptation will be an awkward endeavor from the very beginning, unless 1. they're somewhat similar in format e.g. manga & anime or 2. you have unlimited budget. |
sho52Dec 2, 2021 8:23 AM
| ngl, was quite pumped to see the scenes animated as such in this episode. AFAIK some of the footage also appeared in the PV almost a year ago, so this is definitely where all the budget went. Would be intriguing how they animate the later battles with BETA. Though did they skip Yuuhi's sentence on how Yuuhi (悠陽, the sun) is the exact opposite in name vs. Meiya (冥夜, the dark night) and how their destinies are fated to contrast? Or will it actually happen in the next episode. That moment left such a impression on me and this idea would accompany the reader throughout the whole of Meiya's journey in Alternative, who is arguably |
sho52 said: Marinate1016 said: Damn this episode was hype. Really hurts to see all the low scores for the show. I think it’s been great so far. Love the characters and it’s a nice introduction to the world. Obviously the VN is better but that’s the case for any adaptation besides steins gate Danpmss said: Steins;Gate's adaptation cut nearly every single hard sci-fi element the visual novel is so famous for and created a chunk of holes because of it. Anyone who actually read Steins:Gate's VN will tell you exactly even how many character arcs and plot points they either heavily abridged or omitted altogether. Got worse (though with some interesting improvements) in S;G 0's. So yeah, no way in hell it's better than the VN. Just gotta chime in and say that I was quite bemused at why Steins;Gate the anime ranks among the top animes on every site lol. It's worse than the VN experience in every aspect. And the way the ruined Kurisu's face while the Steins;Gate the VN is arguably the VN with the most beautiful artwork out there... smh. But yeah I guess I'm also bemused at how Steins;Gate can even rank so close to Muv-Luv Alternative on VNDB in the first place, so. And actually I heard that the Utawarerumono anime adaptation is generally not well received? (Am reading Itsuwari no Kamen the VN at the moment and it's such a blast, so much better than Uta 1...) I guess as a general rule when some work of art was conceived with one particular medium in mind, an adaptation will be an awkward endeavor from the very beginning, unless 1. they're somewhat similar in format e.g. manga & anime or 2. you have unlimited budget. The first anime adapting the first VN is a great adaptation, despite taking some liberties when it comes to how it presented some plot points out of order (particularly trying to make up with foreshadowing the fact the VN lacked on that regard when it comes to the final twists that come a bit out of nowhere). As for the second VN's anime adaptation, well... At least it wasn't as bad as Chaos:Head lol Kinda worried for the 3rd one, since it's the best. |
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KANLen09 said: Now you add the Shogun narrative, and that just feels hamfisted. Meiya being the Shogun only makes sense 50/50. Hmm... If you mean why Meiya is the twin sister of the shogun but is in the army etc., the whole backstory and the reasons will be expanded upon quite sufficiently in the rest of the story. Meiya the character would leave such an indelible impression on most readers at the end of the ride. |
sho52Dec 2, 2021 9:06 AM
| [quote=Danpmss message=65085365] sho52 said: The first anime adapting the first VN is a great adaptation, despite taking some liberties when it comes to how it presented some plot points out of order (particularly trying to make up with foreshadowing the fact the VN lacked on that regard when it comes to the final twists that come a bit out of nowhere). As for the second VN's anime adaptation, well... At least it wasn't as bad as Chaos:Head lol Kinda worried for the 3rd one, since it's the best. Thanks for the explanation. That's pretty much what I heard as well lol, that the second adaptation is quite bad. The first entry just felt quite badly written to me though, and I only gave it 7/10 on VNDB... The character motivations felt quite flimsy and unnatural from the beginning till the end, and the characterizations were stiff and one-dimensional. Also, 2/3 of the story just looked random and did not contribute to the main plot whatsoever. I suspect the original author might have had the whole epic in mind, but they didn't have the resources to produce it in full, (similar to how age were forced to release Extra and Unlimited first before they had time to finish Alternative instead of doing it in one go,) so they decided to end it quite abruptly or something. (Haven't read very far in Itsuwari no Kamen so don't know how the series will end yet.) Well, glad that at least the series got a satisfying conclusion more than 10 years later. While reading it I just tried to think of it as some sort of Muv-Luv Extra and forced myself to finish it lol. At least no introductory arc to a trilogy can be as bad as Extra :) I have to say the characters in Itsuwari no Kamen are so well-written and likable, and the world feels so engaging, I just don't want to stop reading (the fact that they use a great Japanese font and have top-notch voice acting for almost every line including internal thoughts also made it a very suitable read for a Japanese learner like me). They probably hired some experienced staff who actually know how to write proper comedy and character interactions, while the original author's strength might have been the grand idea behind the trilogy. (Of course, the aesthetics from 2003 might well have been quite different from the aesthetics norms from 2015...) Really looking forward to how it'll end. And sure, hope they'll actually listen to fan feedback and make the 3rd adaptation more proper. Though from what I heard it might also be a tall order since the story is long and might require budget to properly adapt right... Also the fact that the main VA is gone :( Well, I hope at least this will lead to another round of figure production, so we'll finally have a prepainted Kuon figure at least or even of the protagonist. |
sho52Dec 2, 2021 11:21 AM
| I feel like this adaptation is gradually getting better as they're slowing down the pacing and seemingly putting more effort into each episode. It's just going to be weird for anime-only viewers when they skipped so much fucking content in the beginning I'm also curious how long this is going to be because clearly if this is a 12-episode season then it'll seemingly end with the current arc or shortly after it. If they're actually intending on adapting the whole VN then with the current pacing we would probably have another 2 cours of this. Hard to know what to expect with how uneven this has been so far |
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HaXXspetten said: I feel like this adaptation is gradually getting better as they're slowing down the pacing and seemingly putting more effort into each episode. It's just going to be weird for anime-only viewers when they skipped so much fucking content in the beginning I'm also curious how long this is going to be because clearly if this is a 12-episode season then it'll seemingly end with the current arc or shortly after it. If they're actually intending on adapting the whole VN then with the current pacing we would probably have another 2 cours of this. Hard to know what to expect with how uneven this has been so far I feel like they just had to rush episode 3 and barely tried to fit Extra and Unlimited stuff out of time constrains with the anime's planning. Not the first time this happens, for a much more troublesome instance, Detective Conan was infamous for even making continuity errors early on because they thought it would be a cour or two standalone at best, so they omitted every mention to all the numerous sideplots regarding the Black Organization, while making cases out of order (when they did have some continuity applied to them). In here, we have an example of a pragmatic adaptation. They knew they couldn't adapt Extra and Unlimited before Alternative, because, let's be real, they don't hold a candle to it and would be wasted resources they already don't have for Alternative. Therefore, sprinkling Extra and Unlimited backgrounds here and there albeit in a rush job was the better thing they could do without their entirety. They also knew that the best approach they could possibly go with Alternative as a VN was to take from the manga instead, and so they did, most of all content in this take the very same beats and little additions from the manga, taking away a thing or two when they can't fit in the 23 minutes timeframe nor are essential. We got a mix that so far. And it is pretty good overall, limited budget aside. The only major slip was adapting episode 3 like the manga did, without considering it just trimmed what people knew coming from the otherwise adapted Unlimited manga (and Extra's for that matter), which isn't the case with the animated content. The usual problem is that most vocal MLA fans demand perfection, so if it isn't as good as the original, of course it automatically sucks. Too bad for them, not being able to enjoy a rare decent VN adaptation that for the most part is taking its time with the content and doing what it can with its own limitations in hand, unlike 90% of the others lol Funny is that considering this pacing, we might indeed get a 3-cour adaptation, which in the discussions about a possible anime back in the day was one of the magic numbers (either 3 or 4 cours). I could see 4 if the pacing was glacial and Takeru's monologues were all in, Monogatari style, but when it comes to MLA, I think only a certain portion (the part post-CHOMP) really NEEDS his monologues to be there. |
DanpmssDec 2, 2021 12:34 PM
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sho52 said: That's pretty much what I heard as well lol, that the second adaptation is quite bad. There was a user who repeatedly defended The False Faces as it aired, calling the previous season a trainwreck and insisting that people are too stupid to appreciate the skill that went into adapting the sequel. This user also complained about adaptations of CLAMP and of Fate/Stay Night. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1471369#msg44298590 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1494915#msg45331325 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1494915&show=150#msg45382963 They probably hired some experienced staff who actually know how to write proper comedy and character interactions I thought the 1st game was quite funny. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1830/Utawarerumono_Specials |
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Lucifrost said: sho52 said: That's pretty much what I heard as well lol, that the second adaptation is quite bad. There was a user who repeatedly defended The False Faces as it aired, calling the previous season a trainwreck and insisting that people are too stupid to appreciate the skill that went into adapting the sequel. This user also complained about adaptations of CLAMP and of Fate/Stay Night. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1471369#msg44298590 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1494915#msg45331325 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1494915&show=150#msg45382963 They probably hired some experienced staff who actually know how to write proper comedy and character interactions I thought the 1st game was quite funny. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1830/Utawarerumono_Specials dude prob watching MLA also, probably ree'ing at the score. kekw |
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ixarising said: This is the thing when they decide to skip out Extra & Unlimited, the world building got reduced significantly. Extra doesn't have world building. Does Unlimited really have that much? I've forgotten the details. |
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ixarising said: No world building in Extra? Then where did the formula for 00 unit's completion come from? According to this anime, Yuuko came up with the formula. The anime did not omit any world building in this particular instance. |
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ixarising said: Lucifrost said: According to this anime, Yuuko came up with the formula. The anime did not omit any world building in this particular instance. Extra Yuuko or BETA-world Yuuko? They clearly said it was Extra Yuuko. I don't understand why you're suggesting anime only viewers won't know this. |
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Lucifrost said: sho52 said: That's pretty much what I heard as well lol, that the second adaptation is quite bad. There was a user who repeatedly defended The False Faces as it aired, calling the previous season a trainwreck and insisting that people are too stupid to appreciate the skill that went into adapting the sequel. This user also complained about adaptations of CLAMP and of Fate/Stay Night. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1471369#msg44298590 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1494915#msg45331325 https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1494915&show=150#msg45382963 They probably hired some experienced staff who actually know how to write proper comedy and character interactions I thought the 1st game was quite funny. https://myanimelist.net/anime/1830/Utawarerumono_Specials That guy is a known shitposter and flamebaiter, and honestly, quite hypocrite, since most of the faults he overinflated during the UBW weekly discussions were the very same as the ones Utawa2 had in spades, but much worse (since it actually butchered the main plot and character arcs with its choices, a thing that only happens with Shirou in UBW), while focusing in SoL the most -which was the one part they did kinda right- the least substantial of the content, even in terms of character building. I'd take 10 UBW adaptations before taking another Utawa2. |
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Incognimous said: lanphung said: It will end with Chomp, guaranteed. Three episodes are barely enough to get the coup over with with the current pacing. From the preview picture for next episode we already know that they will add some stuff that the manga added and that was not in the original VN If we see it it will be next season - in case they make one Isn't the coup already like halfway over. They already skipped a ton of conversations in the coup arc leading up to this point so I think having chomp as the end of cour 1 seems to make sense, also would be an attempt as an "end the cour on a cliffhanger" kinda thing. If they go slower they may also end it at the graduation. Though admittedly I haven't checked out the manga and don't know how long the manga-original plot will be. And I did feel while reading the VN that the end of the coup was supposed to be a clear delineation that marks the end of a story segment. Would be interesting to see which direction they take in the remaining episodes. |
sho52Dec 3, 2021 12:20 PM
L5132 said: The manga expands on it a fair bit compared to the VN since it isn't only from Takeru's perspective. Incognimous said: sho52 said: Isn't the coup already like halfway over. The manga adds a lot, so we are nowhere near half over. Don't open if you want to be surprised :p Chomp, on the other hand, takes place in chapter 43 (!). Quite a lot happens before that Great. I only know from Kouki's interview in the visual art book that the manga explained more perspectives (e.g. Irma's) of the coup, as people had some questions about that arc from the original VN. Looking forward to how they tell the story in the anime. |
Marinate1016 said: Yeah,I think theres been a lot of fan hatred for this,and even though I like the Muv-Luv vn's,I don't think this has been a complete atrocity.Yes,it has seemed rushed,but the animation hasn't been too bad,and the OP/ED have grown on me a bit(hated them at first).Tbh,It's grown on me as its gone on.Damn this episode was hype. Really hurts to see all the low scores for the show. I think it’s been great so far. Love the characters and it’s a nice introduction to the world. Obviously the VN is better but that’s the case for any adaptation besides steins gate |
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| First mission and I think he handled himself okay.. thou it was funny when they just flew over everything like wtf the enemies. |
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