| Pretty sure my image of American Adult Animation is Family Guy and South Park and stuff like that. South Park is fine, but Family Guy sucks shit through a garden hose. Never looked much into it, admittedly, and I doubt I will since I don't give a shit. The general portrayal, attitude towards, and outright intent of sexual content in either are obviously not even close to being the same, though, and it doesn't take putting it under a microscope to see that. You're drawing parallels where they don't exist. |
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| I'm sorry but who sad that about American cartoons?? I'm pretty sure most of the people who like anime watch it cause it's different and you'll find way more interesting storys and stuff. People watch anime because it's different and stuff or there probably just tried of the same old cartoons with nothing new. I think you claimed that.. |
| I think if most western adult cartoons didn't have terrible animation and really ugly art styles people wouldn't mind be so harsh on them. However that isn't the case. Most western adult cartoons look like absolute crap so it makes these things look worse whether they be trying to be sexy or trying to be gory and gross. Like serious tell me with a straight face a shows like Family Guy, South Park, The Simpson, and any other western adult cartoon I could name looks better than literally any anime ecchi anime I could name you can't. Why? Because ecchi anime are designed to look appealing to the eye. However for whatever stupid reason western adult cartoons try there best to make there shows look as unappealing as possible. |
Adimus_primeAug 27, 2020 8:26 PM
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| I have never heard this argument out of anyone who likes adult American cartoons. the boondocks, south park and drawn together are well-liked and there have most of these if not saturated with sex, violence and blood. Maybe I'm out of the loop cause I don't live in the states. |
| I think you may conflating people, I never heard of some one that watches anime bash West animation much less do it while praising anime freedom for doing mature content. Tho I support the sentiment of trying to leave people mostly alone whit their taste. |
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| Mature content is not a problem for me imo I somewhat enjoy Family Guy but it's probably a 6/10 for me, just alright, and that factors in the series as a whole. If it were just the more recent episodes after the first few seasons, I'd give it a 4-5/10. I kinda feel like sexual content in western adult animation is done way differently from Japanese animation and I've probably seen more people openly shame it in anime than praise it. Plus the library (mainly what is widely known) is way less available or in my opinion, much less interesting. I wouldn't actively go out of my way to watch Family Guy unless I am in a scenario where I am in someone else's house/establishment, that has cable, and Family Guy is airing on FOX or whatever other channels it is on. I actually really liked The Simpsons up until about Season 12 or 13, when it becomes more and more forgettable, unfunny and genuinely uninteresting to watch with each season counting. It was towards the second half of Season 17 I just stopped watching the show in its entirety. The only western adult animation that I actually like outside of The Simpsons is The Boondocks and Rick and Morty, both of which became stale and boring during their fourth and third seasons respectively. Oh yeah, and The Critic, but that didn't last past two seasons. Oh right, Bob's Burgers is still good! I rarely watch that, though. I could name way more western animation that is for kids, teens or all ages that I love in contrast to western adult animation. People would much rather not watch western animation just by the art being unappealing to them. Similarly to why many people will refrain from ever watching One Piece, Kaiji, etc. I don't even get what this original post is trying to say honestly I couldn't answer you for sure. I think you are using what you have seen and assuming that every last person will think the same way about one thing? I really don't get it. How will anything anecdotal help in this case? I don't quite get the point behind this at all. Aanyway gonna go watch some Laosduude r18+ videos lalalalala |
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kadulen472 said: I never seen it, but since you are saying that you have seen it beyond all doubt and not just feelt it then I guess that yeah, now I heard of it and it is dissapointing; It is just that many times when we ask that question people are like "just look around! I don't belive you aren't seeing it too!" wich makes it harder to belive them.Bob-o-Dominador said: I think you may conflating people, I never heard of some one that watches anime bash West animation much less do it while praising anime freedom for doing mature content. Tho I support the sentiment of trying to leave people mostly alone whit their taste. So what happens when I go tomultiple online forums and find opinions about anime fans saying they hate how american adult cartoons overuse raunchiness and violence for the sake of it, while they love anime for overusing sex and fanservice imagery, which is more overused for the sake of it? Do I shut up about it and say it´s a lie when it isn´t? There´s more anime overusing sex and fanservice imagery than adult cartoons with R-rated shocking content. Anime fans still stigmatize adult cartoons for it, but if I say the same about anime with sex and fanservice, I somehow am on the wrong. If anime fans want anime to not be stigmatized by casuals and being treated as serious business, maybe we should do away with the negative stigmas about animation from other countries, and so we can get a bit more accepted. It is really dumb to complain about media doing what it wants to do, some anime wants to be horny some cartoons wants to be ranchy, having a problem with this is like watching goszilla and complaning that there wasn't enogh sexy appeal. |
N04L1TYAug 27, 2020 8:57 PM
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| Who's "we" buddy? I don't know who is "we". I never knew who is "we". You think you speak for the entire anime community? You think you have seen the entirety of anime community just by looking at a couple of forum replies? This the dumbest post I've seen all week. Which American cartoon are you talking about? The only ones I can think of that uses sexual jokes are Family Guy, South Park and Rick & Morty. To my knowledge everyone likes Rick & Morty. But Family Guy shows way more than JUST sexual jokes, starting from black people jokes to muslim jokes to feminism jokes to abortion jokes to Asian jokes, and that is why people loved Family Guy because it transcends beyond anything anyone can ever think of, but recently Family Guy has not been doing well, it's shit now. South Park fucked themselves up after they left Netflix. So yeah, which "We" are you talking about? What a bullshit. OP says he saw a couple of forum replies and he judges the entire anime community based on that and later tries to be overdramatic. "If anime fans want anime to not be stigmatized by casuals and being treated as serious business" Yeah no fuck that shit, I don't care what any non-anime watcher thinks about anime, you must be a really insecure person to care about that kind of stuff. Why don't you just... enjoy anime? Instead of thinking who likes it and who doesn't. Even if we disregard the sexual jokes in other country's animation, there is one big factor, the ugly and poor effort animation! Nothing's worse than that. Anime will always be #1 and that's a fact |
HentryAug 27, 2020 9:38 PM
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| I would agree with you, but I have seen none of that. Anytime I see anime fans ragging on American adult cartoons, it is to point out that they often look generic and/or ugly. |
| "If it's not big, it's only a bust," some guy on the internet |
Bob-o-Dominador said: I think you may conflating people, I never heard of some one that watches anime bash West animation Really? I've seen it hundreds or even thousands of times on MAL alone over the last 10 years. Not so much about the mature content (idk what OP is on), but in my experience the average anime fans hates western animation with a zeal that's almost religious while simultaneously not being able to name more then 3-5 extremely mainstream examples of western animation to back up their claims. I mean even this thread has a bunch of random hate for western animation and circlejerking about anime being inherently better already. You'd have to go through this community blind to not realize how much western animation gets shit on by anime fans constantly. |
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| Vast majority of western cartoons are focused on humor and the ones aimed at an "adult" audience use crude jokes about poop to differentiate themselves from kids stuff. Anime is way more diverse in the types of stories it tells. The idea that anime in general is rife with gratuitous nudity and violence is just plain incorrect. |
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Manaban said: Pretty sure my image of American Adult Animation is Family Guy and South Park and stuff like that. South Park is fine, but Family Guy sucks shit through a garden hose. Never looked much into it, admittedly, and I doubt I will since I don't give a shit. The general portrayal, attitude towards, and outright intent of sexual content in either are obviously not even close to being the same, though, and it doesn't take putting it under a microscope to see that. You're drawing parallels where they don't exist. So much this. You have to be blind, a moron or a liar if you think crude sexual "jokes" in american cartoon comedies are comparable with the portrayal of human sexuality in anime. |
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Andan210 said: Manaban said: Pretty sure my image of American Adult Animation is Family Guy and South Park and stuff like that. South Park is fine, but Family Guy sucks shit through a garden hose. Never looked much into it, admittedly, and I doubt I will since I don't give a shit. The general portrayal, attitude towards, and outright intent of sexual content in either are obviously not even close to being the same, though, and it doesn't take putting it under a microscope to see that. You're drawing parallels where they don't exist. So much this. You have to be blind, a moron or a liar if you think crude and tasteless sexual "jokes" in american cartoon comedies are comparable with the portrayal of human sexuality in anime. I don't think I said anything about any of that I said I thought Family Guy sucked but Family Guy is hardly representative of American Adult Animation as a whole, and after that all I said was that the OP is drawing a parallel between the way shows like that our South Park or Big Mouth or w/e use it and the way stuff like ecchi anime used it, which is ridiculous because it's kind of obvious that they make very different uses of it |
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Manaban said: Andan210 said: So much this. You have to be blind, a moron or a liar if you think crude and tasteless sexual "jokes" in american cartoon comedies are comparable with the portrayal of human sexuality in anime. I don't think I said anything about any of that I said I thought Family Guy sucked but Family Guy is hardly representative of American Adult Animation as a whole, and after that all I said was that the OP is drawing a parallel between the way shows like that our South Park or Big Mouth or w/e use it and the way stuff like ecchi anime used it, which is ridiculous because it's kind of obvious that they make very different uses of it I thought you said that the intent and attitude of sexual jokes in shows like Family Guy/Big mouth/etc are absolutely not comparable with the way sexuality is portrayed in anime, which is something I agree with. And yes, shows like Family Guy can't be used to generalize about the entirety of American adult animation, wich is why I was talking about sexual jokes in american cartoon comedies only. I probably should have specified "American cartoon comedies for adults", but I thought that was obvious. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. |
Andan210Aug 28, 2020 1:18 PM
| The only True Ending is the Harem Ending. |
| "sex and violence are problematic" how about you go back to wherever you came from and watch stuff that you don't find problematic. |
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| There is no stigmas about western animation and some messages on a random forum won't change that. It's the other way around. Watching anime is considered as problematic by many but watching western cartoons is seen as normal. No sex, blood and violence in an anime? Well some people will still find a way to call it childish while they gush over Disney stuff or Harry Potter. This is a nonissue. lmao |
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| American cartoons are fine; people just grew up watching garbage like Family Guy and whatever, so they have this sort of unfair bias against them. I was one of those people actually, but I got over it and hopefully they do as well. |
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| Imagine, out of the hundreds of frames of comparison you can hold between anime and Western animation, choosing to die on the hill of raunchiness. Why so much effort over this. |
Pullman said: Bob-o-Dominador said: I think you may conflating people, I never heard of some one that watches anime bash West animation Really? I've seen it hundreds or even thousands of times on MAL alone over the last 10 years. Not so much about the mature content (idk what OP is on), but in my experience the average anime fans hates western animation with a zeal that's almost religious while simultaneously not being able to name more then 3-5 extremely mainstream examples of western animation to back up their claims. I mean even this thread has a bunch of random hate for western animation and circlejerking about anime being inherently better already. You'd have to go through this community blind to not realize how much western animation gets shit on by anime fans constantly. Maybe I'm just haven't seen because I don't pay enough attention to remember who said what when and haven't got in many topics here yet, it would take a special kinda of stupid to praise and criticize animators it liberty of doing non PC stuff at the same exact time. Oh, some people are doing it rigth here and now, huh? Yeah, I guess I was ignorant of reality. |
| heh. |
| Hmm. I think you're on to something in one sense. I see people criticizing western animation for sexual themes, and it does smack of hypocrisy when they claim to be anime fans. The thing is though, the people who criticize western animation for the sexual themes are the same anime "fans" who criticize anime for sexual themes. Sex negativity is a problem in both groups. I don't see it with violence tbh, so I'm only talking about sex. I think the number of people who seriously complain about violence in both fandoms is so minute as to be insignificant. When you talk about the "stigma" of western animation... I'm not sure we're on the same page as to what we're talking about. There are people like myself who don't really like western animation, but it's nothing to do with the sex. I just think the Japanese tell stories in a way that I find more appealing. And there are a lot of people like me who might sometimes be too harsh towards western animation, and it might come off as though there is a stigma. But I think it's important to realize that the anime fandom and the western animation fandom don't overlap as much as you might think. Though that partly depends on what you count as the fandom. People will watch two or three anime and say they're fans. But are they really part of the fandom? I think if you're just talking about people who are really deep in to their passion, then my previous statement stands and there isn't much overlap between the fandoms. So if you go in to an anime space, it makes sense why you would find less love for western animation. It's an anime fandom space. The best thing imo would be to stop discussion of western animation. It's important to keep discussion focused on anime. All that said, I do hope fans of western animation don't have to deal with any negative attitudes to sex or violence. Unfortunately the world is heading down a very dark, censorious, authoritarian path. More and more narrow-minded people with nothing nice to say are pushing their way in to all our fandoms every day. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| İ think you got the wrong reason here, there is indeed a subsection of fans that like to bash on western animation but it's more about "if it isn't anime or anime related then it isn't worth consuming" than any particular trashiness from Western animation. |
| can you name some of these american cartoons ur refering to as I have no idea what you are talking about. I dont think ur talking about family guy and stuff like that. I dont think this stigma you are talking about with the sexual stuff exists in the anime community again western cartoons |
| what the hell is op talking about? the main reason amerucan cartoons suck ass is how bad they look. the stuff now that is, |
| The stigma about adult animation was seriously affected due to the fact that the vast majority of cartoons are directed towards children, making many believe that animation = kid's only. While I appreciate that adult american animation dislike politically correct bullshit, can't deny that they are not diverse but I prefer them 100% over the original and politically correct cartoons especially released after 2015. Cartoons are just thing of the past in 2020. It's Anime Golden Age now, baby. |
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| American cartoons don't have kawaii waifus that's why it is inferior to anime. |
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kadulen472 said: With all the sexy, fanservice, ecchi and raunchiness, sex, blood and violence as a cheap way to attract and entertain viewers. That's what anime is in a nutshell.. |
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Nemo_Niemand said: Not all anime use that kind of cheap tactic. Anime is a big medium. kadulen472 said: With all the sexy, fanservice, ecchi and raunchiness, sex, blood and violence as a cheap way to attract and entertain viewers. That's what anime is in a nutshell.. |
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cythraul said: Yes it does. Flame Princess, Amethyst etc.American cartoons don't have kawaii waifus that's why it is inferior to anime. |
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DrGeroCreation said: cythraul said: Yes it does. Flame Princess, Amethyst etc.American cartoons don't have kawaii waifus that's why it is inferior to anime. You're forgetting the original western waifu. |
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SuicideMaster_ said: Wow I thought Betty Boop would be in the spoiler. Not really a fan of Total Drama Island.DrGeroCreation said: Yes it does. Flame Princess, Amethyst etc. You're forgetting the original western waifu. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Looked their images on google and sorry but they look ugly af. Don't know how can anyone call them waifu. cythraul said: Yes it does. Flame Princess, Amethyst etc.American cartoons don't have kawaii waifus that's why it is inferior to anime. |
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cythraul said: No they are kawaii. They are better than shitty moe blob K'on girls.DrGeroCreation said: Looked their images on google and sorry but they look ugly af. Don't know how can anyone call them waifu. Yes it does. Flame Princess, Amethyst etc. |
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DrGeroCreation said: I honestly don't have anything to say about low quality taste.cythraul said: No they are kawaii. They are better than shitty moe blob K'on girls.Looked their images on google and sorry but they look ugly af. Don't know how can anyone call them waifu. If this shit  is better than this thing  then the worse is better in this case. I mean, I know there are people who are into uglies and stuff. |
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@cythraul Fuck you! Flame Princess is kawaii and not low quality.  |
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| Bruh, try to accept facts sometimes. |
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| It's not facts just your opinion. ... |
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DrGeroCreation said: cythraul said: No they are kawaii. They are better than shitty moe blob K'on girls.Looked their images on google and sorry but they look ugly af. Don't know how can anyone call them waifu. You do realize you're on an anime forum, right? That sorta take will never win here. |
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| Yeah I know. I will never win but I will fight the battle. |
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| Yeah no, flame princess looks like some soulless drawing drawn by and for little kids. |
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| Time will only change the stigma and there are good and bad shows on both sides. |
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cythraul said: Again that's just your opinion. How is she soulless? She is a very animated character.Yeah no, flame princess looks like some soulless drawing drawn by and for little kids. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Bruh she is just drawn using basic geometry and even kids(with some drawing basics ofc) can do that. For example even characters from 70s anime have better drawing than flame princess. She can't really be compared to well drawn detailed anime characters. If you wanna compare western animation designs then there is a better chance it will look better against sazae-san or atashin'chi or similar. The thing is not even close to kyoani designs.cythraul said: Again that's just your opinion. How is she soulless. She is a very animated character.Yeah no, flame princess looks like some soulless drawing drawn by and for little kids. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Gotta admire the tenacity give you that.Yeah I know. I will never win but I will fight the battle. |
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cythraul said: Wow , changing goal posts now. Her being simplistically drawn does not make her ugly or soulless. For me personally she is more kawaii than any K-On girl.]Bruh she is just drawn using basic geometry and even kids(with some drawing basics ofc) can do that. For example even characters from 70s anime have better drawing than flame princess. She can't really be compared to well drawn detailed anime characters. If you wanna compare western animation designs then there is a better chance it will look better against sazae-san or atashin'chi or similar. The thing is not even close to kyoani designs. |
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DrGeroCreation said: It does make her ugly. It's for you personally that she's kawaii. You may even think that circles are cuter than actual girl for that matter but doesn't change the fact that she's inferior to k-on! girls who had ton of thought put into their design. cythraul said: Wow , changing goal posts now. Her being simplistically drawn does not make her ugly or soulless. For me personally she is more kawaii than any K-On girl.]Bruh she is just drawn using basic geometry and even kids(with some drawing basics ofc) can do that. For example even characters from 70s anime have better drawing than flame princess. She can't really be compared to well drawn detailed anime characters. If you wanna compare western animation designs then there is a better chance it will look better against sazae-san or atashin'chi or similar. The thing is not even close to kyoani designs. |
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