| I was reading a couple of reviews about Made in Abyss about having inappropriate fanservice and/or sexualition of the main characters, hence why they gave them very low scores. It's a favourite of mine and I watched it while it was airing, but can someone point me to where these scenes are? Honestly, I don't remember there being much/if not any at all in this series. If there was, it really took a backseat thanks to how great everything else is. |
I was reading a couple of reviews about Made in Abyss about having inappropriate fanservice and/or sexualition of the main characters, hence why they gave them very low scores. Regardless of whether or not there is, I think that lowballing the entire show for that is beyond retarded. People should just, y'know, stop existing sometimes. |
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QuantumNekomancy said: Manaban said: Regardless of whether or not there is, I think that lowballing the entire show for that is beyond retarded. People just have different morals. It should be okay to give whatever points as long as they don't try to censore anything. Whether they can or can't feel that way isn't even part of the problem here. They absolutely can feel that way. If they're writing a review for a show that is very blatantly not about fanservice and low scoring that entire show in spite of everything else that it's doing because they felt they saw a couple of sexualized scenes, then by all means, I'm not going to respect their opinion. It's a ridiculous and tunnel-visioned reaction that isn't even trying to take the breadth of the picture into account. Which I think they should at least *try* to do with what they watched in the context that the OP is talking about here. I'm not trying to gather pitchforks and get the review(s) taken off of the site or anything. If I'm going off of what the OP said - which, knowing anime fans, I fully fucking believe it - I'm absolutely going to express contempt for what they're doing. I don't respect it just because it's their opinion, and I'm going to express negativity about it regardless of whether they're allowed to hold those views or not. It's a shitty opinion. I haven't watched MIA and I don't think I ever will, but all the same, it's irksome and tiresome because of how commonplace it is. It's like these people are either fundies or 13 year olds just hitting puberty. Either way, it just comes off like they can't mentally deal with the concept of nudity if the entire point of their review is DURRRR SEXUALIZATION. |
ManabanMar 12, 2020 1:41 PM
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| I've never seen it but it sounds to me like those people would consider all nudity, regardless of context, to be 'fanservice.' |
GakutoDeathGlare said: I was reading a couple of reviews about Made in Abyss about having inappropriate fanservice and/or sexualition of the main characters, hence why they gave them very low scores. It's a favourite of mine and I watched it while it was airing, but can someone point me to where these scenes are? Honestly, I don't remember there being much/if not any at all in this series. If there was, it really took a backseat thanks to how great everything else is. Early on in the series Riko is subjected to a certain form of punishment dealt out by her school which entails her being hung upside down naked. Then much later in the show Riko and Reg find a hot spring. Riko gets naked and dives in without regard for Reg's presence. Reg becomes aroused which Riko takes a scientific interest in. I think the torture scene is to show just how brutal and unforgiving this world can be. It probably also serves as a warning for the faint of heart to drop the series before things get worse. The hot springs shows that both of the main characters are very naive and that Riko doesn't really see Reg as a human being. Calling either of these scenes fan-service is way off base if you ask me. |
epidemia78Mar 12, 2020 1:41 PM
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| There are people who really thinks that the nude kids in there are sexual. In the context shown in the anime I can't understand it. The only questionable thing that the anime has is that short scene of Riko's punishment, you know, the one where she is hanging nude. I can agree with this one, but that's it. On the other part, in the manga, starting from volume 6, there are more delicate moments which can be debatable, but nothing too major. |
Pleasant_pancakeMar 12, 2020 1:47 PM
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| The anime has a few nudity scenes. One, Riko's punishment, is not sexualized at all (apparently it was in the manga?), the others are a bit more debatable but I don't think sexualization is really that invasive. I think most of the complaints come from the manga and the anime is a tame version. It's perfectly fine to watch in that sense. You get more sexual trigger warnings from a Doraemon episode. But it's violent and crude and uncomfortable because it's all happening to kids. |
epidemia78 said: Thanks, it's been a while since. I think a re watch is in order. GakutoDeathGlare said: I was reading a couple of reviews about Made in Abyss about having inappropriate fanservice and/or sexualition of the main characters, hence why they gave them very low scores. It's a favourite of mine and I watched it while it was airing, but can someone point me to where these scenes are? Honestly, I don't remember there being much/if not any at all in this series. If there was, it really took a backseat thanks to how great everything else is. Early on in the series Riko is subjected to a certain form of punishment dealt out by her school which entails her being hung upside down naked. Then much later in the show Riko and Reg find a hot spring. Riko gets naked and dives in without regard for Reg's presence. Reg becomes aroused which Riko takes a scientific interest in. I think the torture scene is to show just how brutal and unforgiving this world can be. It probably also serves as a warning for the faint of heart to drop the series before things get worse. The hot springs shows that both of the main characters are very naive and that Riko doesn't really see Reg as a human being. Calling either of these scenes fan-service is way off base if you ask me. |
GakutoDeathGlare said: epidemia78 said: Thanks, it's been a while since. I think a re watch is in order. Early on in the series Riko is subjected to a certain form of punishment dealt out by her school which entails her being hung upside down naked. Then much later in the show Riko and Reg find a hot spring. Riko gets naked and dives in without regard for Reg's presence. Reg becomes aroused which Riko takes a scientific interest in. I think the torture scene is to show just how brutal and unforgiving this world can be. It probably also serves as a warning for the faint of heart to drop the series before things get worse. The hot springs shows that both of the main characters are very naive and that Riko doesn't really see Reg as a human being. Calling either of these scenes fan-service is way off base if you ask me. The movie sequel should be available soon and season 2 recently announced so yeah its a good time for a rewatch |
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| I recently rewatched it and it was fine. I even watched it with my dad and while he thought some of the more gorey scenes were hard to watch, he was fine with the fanservice. |
| Hunter x Hunter is a 1/10 |
| there's a really good video that basically answers the question if you immediately look or think of nakedness -especially children- and immediately think it's used for a sexual purpose like fanservice than that's kinda gross. obviously in some shows it is used for fanservice but if you cant tell the difference between that and something like made in abyss, well then you might be what we call a nonce. (also i lowkey cannot take this post seriously with the gakuto picture im losing my shit) |
| I'm of the opinion that the loli subtexts do not matter but honestly is there a particular intention the author had putting some of the stuff that happens like the scene in spoilers from OP? If there is then I mean cool but like if not then I suppose the people against it are right to a certain extent. |
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| Those scenes didn't bother me that much in my first viewing, I thought that they existed to show how cruel the world and how innocent are the main characters. But then I read the manga and the author actually draws lewds for some of the characters in the bonus pages, so those scenes even maybe the innocent ones were probably meant to be for fan service but I don't really know. But still Akihito FeelsWeirdMan... |
| It's just typical anime stylizing with wardrobe mismanagement in its character design. In other words, it abso-fucking-lutely is fanservice. As anime fans, we tend to grow desensitized to this kind of shit, and accept on face value things that should not be normal. I happened to enjoy Made in Abyss for the latter half of the show, but the first half, or really the first quarter was slightly embarrassing to watch. |
| My subjective reviews: katsureview.wordpress.com THE CHAT CLUB. |
katsucats said: It's just typical anime stylizing with wardrobe mismanagement in its character design. In other words, it abso-fucking-lutely is fanservice. As anime fans, we tend to grow desensitized to this kind of shit, and accept on face value things that should not be normal. I happened to enjoy Made in Abyss for the latter half of the show, but the first half, or really the first quarter was slightly embarrassing to watch. What are you talking about, katsu? The alleged fanservice scenes are just plain nudity, not "wardrobe mismanagement". Cave raiding clothes are not exactly revealing. |
| Because kids never get naked and they don't bath... lol. I think that the sick people is the one that feels that there is anything sexual in the show, you really have issues if you think that the shows promotes any kind of pedophilic shit. People like that should get some professional help. |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: jal90 said: What are you talking about, katsu? The alleged fanservice scenes are just plain nudity, not "wardrobe mismanagement". Cave raiding clothes are not exactly revealing. Read the manga and tell me it's not fanservice. Not that it matters, because pedophilic bait or not, it's a fucking fantastic manga. I didn't say that. Katsucats is talking about the anime and used a term I didn't quite understand. Like there's nudity in the show, but the actual clothes are quite non-revealing. About the manga, never read it and really not interested, even if I'm a big fan of the anime. The little that is in the adaptation is already creepy enough, I'm not touching something that increases that tenfold and with actual intent because the author is a proud lolicon. |
| Don't read anything on shitaku or gamespot and most of all rotten tomatoes western sjw websites. gamespot said that konosubo movie was transphobic. |
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| I think that fanservice criticism towards MiA stems more from the manga than the anime, since the manga is considerably more explicit in its depiction of child nudity and arguable fetish-y scenarios than the anime is. That said, dismissing the entire series, along with the other positive attributes that it possesses, based on that one questionable aspect is silly and shows a lot of narrow-mindedness on the part of its detractors, in my honest opinion. |
OrororurandoMar 12, 2020 4:39 PM
Saga22 said: Manaban said: Regardless of whether or not there is, I think that lowballing the entire show for that is beyond retarded. People should just, y'know, stop existing sometimes. Exactly, just as much as the ones who sexualize children, right? I'm not exactly a proponent of thought-policing enough to start treating drawings with the same severity as I would a real person, so no. Especially in a context where I have every reason to believe that sexualization isn't even present in the first place. |
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| Fan service is so annoying, I dont think ill ever get over it. |
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| The nudity in Made in Abyss isn't really sexualized and nudity=/=fanservice |
ktulu007 said: I wasn't really trying to make a point though, I just wanted somebody to point out if there even was fan service in the series as I'd either forgotten it/it's not even fan-service. The reviews surprised me, is all....Okay, I went through five or six pages of reviews to see if our OP has a solid point. I checked the reviews that rated the series as 5 or lower, there was only one that had the fan-service as their sole complaint against the series. It was brought up as an issue in multiple others, but it was never the sole reason for a low score. There were always things they (maybe I should say we since I reviewed it at a 5/10 myself) disliked about the narrative, characters, etc... to justify a low score beyond nudity using the young characters. |
| This is something that I definitely noticed and seems so randomly interspersed to have all the penis and nude references, general shotacon bait, traps, etc. in a fantasy/dark fantasy adventure series. It seemed to be recurring and in-your-face enough that I was surprised after first completing the series some time last year and then scouring reviews and discussions about it on here that it wasn't more commented upon. In an ecchi series or any piece designed to titillate or indulge in those taboos, whether playfully or seriously, I would expect it, but it came across as very random and out of place in this series. I rated Made in Abyss a 7/10 however and I don't see that rating changing (even if the series is further developed and completed with another season or more, they will be separate entries and I doubt I'll alter the season one rating retroactively), nor was it affected by this because it simply didn't take up an amount of screen time or changed the tonal focus for any sustained periods of time to change my feelings toward it. I had a much larger problem with its overall pacing in in how rushed parts of it felt, but I recognize this may also be a byproduct of watching a hitherto unfinished story and attempting to rate a season that's part of a larger whole as a standalone product. If it goes on for multiple more seasons over the course of years and I watch them all, only from that vantage point will I truly be in a better position to ascertain how rushed the first season actually was as the first entry in a whole story. I don't derive any personal amusement or pleasure out of shotacon stuff, nor do I think it enhances a story, but it also isn't something that "offends" me or anything like that, so I wouldn't rate it lower for that unless it took over the whole show's plot. It seemed like an attempt on the part of the author to subtly-not-so-subtly work in and normalize this fetish culture? If people are into it they could show Reg doing it with a vulture for all I care. I don't have any ethical objections to its inclusion or mind watching anything even if it's not something which I personally find alluring, but that doesn't mean just sprinkling it in haphazardly doesn't feel dumb and like it doesn't add anything. People rating it lower by several points specifically for that probably have a staunch ideological objection to it, whereas I don't really have any ideological objection for any form of content being shown, even if it does nothing to to stimulate me in the sensory, intellectual, or emotional sense. I'd like all original intent of storytellers to be allowed and shown always, and then I'll rate accordingly. |
WatchTillTandavaMar 12, 2020 5:15 PM
| I heard those complaints before and imo they're just a mix of oversensitivity and people not understanding fanservice (that is supposed to be titillating) and other forms of nudity (for comedic or other purposes). On my initial watch the thought that anything in the show was just meant to arouse me never even crossed my mind - and I'm a lolicon so I'm usually receptive for loli fanservice, I just didn't see any in the show because apparently even as a lolicon my mind is not nearly as much in the gutter as that of many others... I've also heard people rant about the show's drama just being 'torture porn' so I think people just call anything they don't immediately understand or appreciate 'fanservice' or 'porn', randomly assuming that the only thing anyone vould get out of it is arousal, which honestly tells you more about the people making these claims than it does about the people who like the show. I will admit that when I recently rewatched Made in Abyss via the two recap movies, I did realize which small scenes people meant when they were talking about this, but it's still ridiculous to me how oversensitive people are to a few seconds of mild, mostly comedic, nudity every few eps. The irrationality of overexaggerating how relevant, impactul and dominating those scenes are for the overall viewing experience is really the problem here. The scenes are so short and un-sexy that I wouldn't even have perceived them as anything close to fanservice if I wasn't specifically trying to figure out what people were talking about in that regard. So yeah, I do agree that there were some unnecessary scenes in it, but like the user above me I perceived them more as random and not as titillating or arousing in any way. There's sexier stuff in every average moe slice of life series tbh. So congrats, if you see those scenes in MiA as fanservice your mind is more in the gutter than that of a lolicon like me :>. |
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| For once I mostly agree with Pullman. I thought some scenes were more optional than unnecessary, but I didn't find anything so grating that it detracted from that amazing unique world. I found what people have been calling the "fan service" in Made in Abyss to be more funny than anything. I don't know about the manga, but the anime didn't disturb/titillate/arouse me. I've found bath or beach scenes (even the expected ones) in other anime that were far more out of place or contrasting to the tone of their respective series. |
| Honestly it isn't weird fanservice, it's more like authorservice or some shit. |
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| As someone who hates 99% of fanservice and ecchi, and watched this anime multiple times already, I really don't understand why some people are complaining about it, considering how harmless it is, especially when compared to actual offenders like eromanga sensei or monogatari, both of witch really disturbed me. None of the nudity in the series is done is a way that presents the characters as sex symbols, the characters themselves have no sexual features in their designs unless you're into round cheeks, the kid characters are basically walking rectangles with round bubble heads, and aren't even presented in a way that would sexually tease you Nudity =/= sexualization Presentation and design are extremely important when showing this kinda stuff and distinguishing the two, and its the reason why shows like eromanga, despite not being as popular as made in abyss, get like 10x more criticism about it, its why made in abyss made it as one of the biggest titles of 2017 (and aoty) without a major controversy Another point I wanna bring up is that going into the community of the anime will also give you a good look at who its attracting, and animes with sexually appealing characters or a lot of fanservice will eventually have a lot of erotica of them community wise, after looking at the made in abyss community in places like twitter and Reddit, I really didn't find any actual porn related to the anime, only memes and normal fanarts, and I couldn't be more happy about that. I think it says a lot about the presentation of the anime when you cannot find this kinda stuff about it, its mostly the case in animes that don't have ecchi in them at all, or ones that don't prioritise on pretty girls. Contrast that with, say, konosuba or darling in the franxx, both having large following and a while lot of erotica made of them This is just some random thing I thought of, and I think it's worth sharing |
yotiMar 14, 2020 8:14 AM
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ktulu007 said: If you have a small frail beta ego, then yes, it might come across that way. It was obviously just leading up to the second short paragraph in reality, you know, the actual question I wanted answered lol. I didn't expect someone to be so nit picky, it's still relevant regardless, people vote lower thanks to the "fanservice". GakutoDeathGlare said: I wasn't really trying to make a point though, I just wanted somebody to point out if there even was fan service in the series as I'd either forgotten it/it's not even fan-service. The reviews surprised me, is all.... Well, your initial post makes it sound like the only reason people are giving it a low score is the fan-service/ sexualisation of the characters. Which was most definitely not the case for the majority of those people who gave it low ratings. "I was reading a couple of reviews about Made in Abyss about having inappropriate fanservice and/or sexualition of the main characters, hence why they gave them very low scores." Perhaps that wasn't your intent, but when you phrase it like that it makes it sound like that's the one negative people had. As to whether or not it has inappropriate fan-service and sexualisation, I was on the fence about it since a lot of the scenes with nudity are bordering on it. That's why my review brings up the copious amounts of child nudity without using terms like fan-service or sexualisation. |
yoti said: As someone who hates 99% of fanservice and ecchi, and watched this anime multiple times already, I really don't understand why some people are complaining about it You never will Ever It is a bold strategy to assume most people who respond this histrionically negative to anything they see as fanservice being present are rational, mentally healthy human beings |
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Pullman said: I've also heard people rant about the show's drama just being 'torture porn' so I think people just call anything they don't immediately understand or appreciate 'fanservice' or 'porn', randomly assuming that the only thing anyone vould get out of it is arousal, which honestly tells you more about the people making these claims than it does about the people who like the show. To clarify, torture porn does not refer to sexual fanservice. It's more of a term to indicate it's supposedly exploitative nature. Torture/emotional porn are often used for works that try to heavily manipulate our emotions through a ton of unfiltered suffering. Same kind of logic as "scenery porn". |
| they can write shit, censorship will come anyway. Looks like learning how to code is gonna be important. Dark web novel. |
Manaban said: yoti said: As someone who hates 99% of fanservice and ecchi, and watched this anime multiple times already, I really don't understand why some people are complaining about it You never will Ever It is a bold strategy to assume most people who respond this histrionically negative to anything they see as fanservice being present are rational, mentally healthy human beings Theres a reason why I said 99% and not all fanservice, cause sometimes it can be done right, its just that the majority of times it feels forced and uncomfortable. You do you, but for me most fanservice in anime is a negative thing |
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yoti said: Another point I wanna bring up is that going into the community of the anime will also give you a good look at who its attracting, and animes with sexually appealing characters or a lot of fanservice will eventually have a lot of erotica of them community wise, after looking at the made in abyss community in places like twitter and Reddit, I really didn't find any actual porn related to the anime, only memes and normal fanarts, and I couldn't be more happy about that. I think it says a lot about the presentation of the anime when you cannot find this kinda stuff about it, its mostly the case in animes that don't have ecchi in them at all, or ones that don't prioritise on pretty girls. Contrast that with, say, konosuba or darling in the franxx, both having large following and a while lot of erotica made of them I mean this still exists, it isn't reddit or twitter but 62 results is not that small:  |
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