| To the viewers: EVERY TIME KAGUYA CALLS MIYUKI BY HIS NAME PLEASE REPLACE IT IN YOUR HEAD AS "PRESIDENT". THANKS! How are these translators even get paid for the work they do? Do they have zero interest to look up the source material? It was supposed to be extremely important to keep it as "President". Edit: Stroke out. This has been solved from Episode 2 onward so it looks like we are all set and good to go. No further discussion is needed and this thread can be locked. :) |
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| Doesn't really matter. You usually refer to someone either by his/her name, or "you". At least in English. You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. |
Kamiyan3991 said: You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. It matters. Kaguya calling him President is part of the plot. It may work being replaced by anything for others (e.g. for Chika, Yuu) but not for her which is why I said the translator would have done themselves a world of good had they gone and checked the source material. And the naming convention in the translation is random. If Fujiwara is changed to Chika (like Kaguya says), then Shinomiya should have been replaced by Kaguya and Shirogane by Miyuki. But dumbfcuks will say "Doesn't really matter. At least in English". Also, only numbskulls will have the mindset to call people weebs. Like always. :) 25NOVember said: whenever kaguya says kaicho they can just mentally replace the shirogane from sub to president. I guess that's the plan now. |
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| yeah its pretty shitty they fucked that up, its going to cause alot of problems later down the line for episodes that have jokes based entirely around her only calling him president. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: yeah its pretty shitty they fucked that up, its going to cause alot of problems later down the line for episodes that have jokes based entirely around her only calling him president. And that just scratches the surface of the problem. |
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| It's nothing new in the sub world unfortunately, like translating -san to Mr. (ewww). Bad translations, personal interpretations (without having a clue about the context), or even worse changing the meaning of what chara are saying, is what made me give a try to raws and stick with those. As that's not a valid alternative though, just ingore the sub text when they call each other in anime, as most of the time it's either onii/nee, sensei ecc. anyway; saves a lot of facepalms and cringe. That helped quite a bit. |
| I don't watch dub but the same thing happen with DxD having Issei call Rias by name instead of Buchou/President. Dub writer must not making research properly since that is most important plot point and a game changer one at that. |
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| I love it how everyone assumes the people translating and doing the subs have the time to do research to know that the ways the characters refer to each other is as important as it is, given that they probably have to work on multiple shows a season (and who's to say the anime will even include these chapters where the names do matter (which must come later as I remember nothing of the sort in the first two volumes)). It is definitely weird that they actively ignore what the characters say (like Kaguya calling Chika "Fujiwara-san", though. |
| This actually kind of annoys me as well. I hear her saying president, but am reading Shirogane. It’s not a huge deal but it is slightly distracting. Oh well, I loved this first episode and am really looking forward to the rest |
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Well good thing this is a work from Japan, eh? |
stand said: Nah the stuff we are referring to happened like 2 years ago and a bunch of shit has happened since, and even then the big first step in the progression happened a little whiles before what all of us are getting our panties into a twist over, the series has had alot going on development wise both romantic and not especially with one of the main characters ishigami, though if the anime is only 12 episodes its probably not going to reach much of the progression especially since its probably going to end like right before the status quo formula is broken and the series starts to have more in the way of a consistent continuity where as the start is mostly episodic.So this series biggest progression is going to be Kaguya changing her nomenclature from 'president' to something more intimate? If anyone really wants to know why this honorific is such a "big" deal, slight spoilers |
JizzyHitlerJan 12, 2019 1:52 PM
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
stand said: No p, honestly im kind of expecting this series to cause a bit confusion just cause its evolved so much since it started that alot of people are gonna wonder what all the fuss is about even after it ends especially in regards to ishigami who is kind of only a punching bag character at the start of the series and not even all that prominent in screentime for it either but he changed probably the most out of anyone in the series.@JizzyHitler @Frostbytes Ok thanks. I figured that's the case. Normal expectations with on-going manga at this point. Okay and that spoiler makes sense. Basically what im saying is, just go in expecting goofy hijinks for the anime, there will be small little moments but i really dont expect the anime to be getting to alot of the more substantial moments save for one which it will probably and better end on, its why i was really hoping for a 2 cour before this started. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
dsalco said: The thing with translations is its less to directly translate everything and more to make it sound like it was written in English first, the problem there in lies is if your not familiar with what the original language is going for you can lose some of those little nuances,Is not even necessary that the translators know the source material. If she say 'president', why they have to change that? It doesn't make any sense. The translators probably just though calling him the president sounded awkward, its a dumb decision but I'm just trying to explain their thought process |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
henry9960_ said: Atavistic said: I love it how everyone assumes the people translating and doing the subs have the time to do research to know that the ways the characters refer to each other is as important as it is, given that they probably have to work on multiple shows a season (and who's to say the anime will even include these chapters where the names do matter (which must come later as I remember nothing of the sort in the first two volumes)). It is definitely weird that they actively ignore what the characters say (like Kaguya calling Chika "Fujiwara-san", though. They shouldn't be translating the series if they don't know about the series. You actually should be grateful. I mean, Aniplex translators at least actually watch the show. Netflix translators don't even bother and translate straight from the transcription. Sometimes genders are all fucked up. shanimebib said: Kamiyan3991 said: You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. It matters. Kaguya calling him President is part of the plot. In that case, they will change it later. It's quite common practice for Aniplex. You need to watch it on official streaming though. I mean, rippers don't bother to update subs. |
Kamiyan3991Jan 12, 2019 7:26 PM
Kamiyan3991 said: Doesn't really matter. You usually refer to someone either by his/her name, or "you". At least in English. You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. >It actually matters in terms of the plot >in English >It's set in Japan >Proceeds to call out "weebs" Idk if its just from your culture or you're just plain ignorant but don't people sometimes call people by their title like "President", "Captain", or "Coach" without saying their name. Kaguya explicitly calls Shirogane as "Kaichou" or "president" and it actually becomes really relevant as an entire chapter is dedicated to it. Also calling out the translators is kinda overreacting since aside from "kaichou" everything else was fine. Just hope they change it in the future eps so the anime only viewers dont get confused once its brought up. |
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| This...actually is kind of baffling. This isn't some untranslatable piece of conversation, even those unfamiliar with Japanese culture wouldn't be confused with it. Calling someone President instead of their name shows formality, despite the feelings they keep bottled up. That's the entire premise of the show, refusing to budge on their feelings. I think the translators are so used to doing this for so many series that they're basically on autopilot and do this automatically whenever a term you rarely hear in western countries comes up (never hear a person call a student council member by their title over here, just their name). It's not the biggest issue out there, but it's such an avoidable issue that I don't understand why it happened in the first place, or hasn't been corrected already |
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| While it would be optimal, it's pretty unreasonable to expect translators to know the ins and outs of every single source material they translate. They're doing a job and I'd imagine they don't have the time to read multiple volumes of manga or light novels, or play entire games just for that. That being said, they've certainly made a mistake here by subbing it with Shirogane instead of President. What makes it worse is that having "President" is perfectly sensible in English in itself, so it should've been avoidable. But in the end, it's just an honest, unknowing mistake that'll likely be edited. I think it's being overblown way too much as fans like to do (and yes, I read the manga, so I understand the significance). |
Shymander said: While it would be optimal, it's pretty unreasonable to expect translators to know the ins and outs of every single source material they translate. They're doing a job and I'd imagine they don't have the time to read multiple volumes of manga or light novels, or play entire games just for that. That being said, they've certainly made a mistake here by subbing it with Shirogane instead of President. What makes it worse is that having "President" is perfectly sensible in English in itself, so it should've been avoidable. But in the end, it's just an honest, unknowing mistake that'll likely be edited. I think it's being overblown way too much as fans like to do (and yes, I read the manga, so I understand the significance). TBH, people should be grateful to have subs. At all. I mean, I have 4k Netflix subscription and I can't watch Kakegurui S2. Just like that. Also, it was simple mistake that WILL get fixed. It's not garbage like WWW Working or Occultic;Nine. |
Kamiyan3991 said: Shymander said: While it would be optimal, it's pretty unreasonable to expect translators to know the ins and outs of every single source material they translate. They're doing a job and I'd imagine they don't have the time to read multiple volumes of manga or light novels, or play entire games just for that. That being said, they've certainly made a mistake here by subbing it with Shirogane instead of President. What makes it worse is that having "President" is perfectly sensible in English in itself, so it should've been avoidable. But in the end, it's just an honest, unknowing mistake that'll likely be edited. I think it's being overblown way too much as fans like to do (and yes, I read the manga, so I understand the significance). TBH, people should be grateful to have subs. At all. I mean, I have 4k Netflix subscription and I can't watch Kakegurui S2. Just like that. The fact that they're available and so quickly after the original broadcast does go rather unappreciated. That doesn't fully excuse mistakes, but it should be taken into account when pointing fingers. |
| Yea it's pretty weird, considering it's even a minor plot point later in the manga. |
| I was going to come and bitch about this too, but it seems others have said everything I was going to say already. Regardless, it really doesn't make any sense to change how the characters refer to each other because it makes perfect sense in English. In a formal setting (like this prep school is made out to be), it's not uncommon for people to refer to each other using their last names. Calling someone by their title instead of their name is perfectly fine too. Sigh, this is what happens when people think they're above the material they're translating. |
Kamiyan3991 said: Doesn't really matter. You usually refer to someone either by his/her name, or "you". At least in English. You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. The subs are so obviously wrong that it's annoying. It's a legitimate complaint. |
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| Yeah I agree. They even replace "Fujiwara-san" with "Chika" in the translation when Kaguya talks to her. Using first name totally changes the meaning. They should at least know that much. How cute... |
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Minar-kyun said: Yeah I agree. They even replace "Fujiwara-san" with "Chika" in the translation when Kaguya talks to her. Using first name totally changes the meaning. They should at least know that much. How cute... It's just western name order. Stop nitpicking. |
Kamiyan3991 said: Minar-kyun said: Yeah I agree. They even replace "Fujiwara-san" with "Chika" in the translation when Kaguya talks to her. Using first name totally changes the meaning. They should at least know that much. How cute... It's just western name order. Stop nitpicking. No, in Japan, using first name and surname is not about name order, but about formality. Some people don't want they were called by stranger with their first name. First name usually was used to calling just by family/lover/best friend. and also why just the translator Fujiwara-san just like what Kaguya said. |
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Kamiyan3991 said: Minar-kyun said: Yeah I agree. They even replace "Fujiwara-san" with "Chika" in the translation when Kaguya talks to her. Using first name totally changes the meaning. They should at least know that much. How cute... It's just western name order. Stop nitpicking. It's not a nitpick. That's what you're not understanding here. It's an actual issue and is irritating to have to read. |
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Xplaaainz said: then you wouldn't be able to watch anime without subs. watching raw anime is far harder than reading raw manga. This is why I learned Japanese 3 years ago. Although, I do still have the reading capabilities of an elementary schooler.... |
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Kamiyan3991 said: Doesn't really matter. You usually refer to someone either by his/her name, or "you". At least in English. But not in an anime which is not only located in an elite school in Japan, but where the way people are addressed are actually a relevant plot point later. It merely shows that the translator has not properly researched the show he was translating. You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. You seem to have a superiority complex. AND no clue about the show. Fix it. |
ZodiarkCSR said: It much worse on Ace Attorney. When someone call Naruhodo but the sub said Nick. I go watch dub if I want to hear English name. You know there are 2 sub tracks? One with names like in western releases of games and one with Japanese names? You only need to watch on CR or download mkv instead streaming/DLing mp4 with hardsubs. |
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Kamiyan3991 said: Minar-kyun said: Yeah I agree. They even replace "Fujiwara-san" with "Chika" in the translation when Kaguya talks to her. Using first name totally changes the meaning. They should at least know that much. How cute... It's just western name order. Stop nitpicking. >"Just" western name order >Different culture from Japan when you're so ignorant on how just having a different setting will change the meaning of calling someone with their first, last name and honorifics. Mentar said: I mean the issue itself isn't due to TL not reading the material mostly, its just an honest mistake of them taking liberty in using their given names due to western culture(which is honestly the main problem), they could've just left it as it is which is simpler and easier.It merely shows that the translator has not properly researched the show he was translating. |
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Kamiyan3991 said: Doesn't really matter. You usually refer to someone either by his/her name, or "you". At least in English. You weebs seem to have some flawed idea. Like always. This is an anime where our MCs are literally calculating every single move and word that comes out of their mouth. In that context, the interpersonal difference between "shirogane" and "kaichou" actually matters a great deal, and the fact that the translators did not address this properly is pretty sloppy imo. |
gadboyz said: No, in Japan, using first name and surname is not about name order, but about formality. Some people don't want they were called by stranger with their first name. First name usually was used to calling just by family/lover/best friend. and also why just the translator Fujiwara-san just like what Kaguya said. Just proving my point. ^^ And TBH, it doesn't matter like 95% of the time. Other than that, it's translatable. Same thing happened in Durarara and I don't think anyone even noticed this. Wasshio said: This is only the main issue I have with the translation honestly. In the manga they refer Shirogane as President. Not in the official English release. Viz Media also uses "Shirogane". |
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