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Waffles_Aug 19, 8:56 AM
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| Because people tend to have shit taste and hate what they don't understand. |
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| Why do most people don't post topics related to a specific anime in its own sub-forum? |
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| I don't think is pretentious I just couldn't stand asuka and shinji |
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You can't say that, not with your favorites, and not with your life philosophy. |
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| I didn't find what I watched of it especially pretentious as much as just uninteresting. I've never been good with thematic interpretation, though, both in skill at it and just deriving some sort of pleasure from doing so, which probably plays a major role in both why I found it uninteresting and why people will call it pretentious, since that feels like a major aspect to even getting anything out of it to begin with. I certainly didn't find much entertainment value in anything I saw from it, at least. Probably just the factionalism of anime fans probably plays a role in it too, though. People do seem pretty eager to label stuff and treat it a certain way based mostly on the type of people who enjoy it and how they feel about that type of fan, regardless of what type of fan it is. I feel like there's a sort of prevalence in judging a product by the people who like it moreso than the product itself, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if there were people who called it pretentious just because they find the type of people who like it pretentious. |
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| Every anime that tries to be philosophical and tackles some ideologies can be labeled as so lol. It's part of most chuuni story narrative though. Can't wait how ppl will call Dies Irae edgy and pretentious cause sure it quoted so much historical people even bible and stuff. Also it has Nazi lol |
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You said: Can't wait how ppl will call Dies Irae edgy and pretentious cause sure it quoted so much historical people even bible and stuff. Also it has Nazi lol Well, its based on a Visual Novel, so it is doomed already by many now. |
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John_2001 said: Because if the anime is not airing good luck on having a discussion there.Why do most people don't post topics related to a specific anime in its own sub-forum? |
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| Because the ending is difficult to understand at surface. People do not watch anime to confuse themselves. This told people that EVA perceive itself as a piece of art more than a piece of entertainment. And that's is somewhat pretentious, I guess? since EVA started off as a normal mecha show. A less ''pretentious'' approach will be having an ending that's easy to understand, and a hidden message. The writer will not force the reader to understand or accept the inner message. |
| Well, it is trying to cover up its shortcomings with big sounding words, awkward freeze-frames, and then there's the TV ending, which is undeniably jibberish. That's hardly its biggest problem though, the major thing is its fanbase trying to squeeze every last drop out of every single sentence, forcefully convincing everybody, it's better than it actually is. It is worth sitting through, so you get to see The End of Eva, but on its own, I would never recommend it to anyone. |
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zal said: And precisely why should we be even discussing such a poorly presented topic? What does he mean by "most people" when the show has a rating of 8.31 here; a place renowned for its "plebs"?John_2001 said: Because if the anime is not airing good luck on having a discussion there.Why do most people don't post topics related to a specific anime in its own sub-forum? Specimen021 said: This is what I say to people when I recommend this show.It is worth sitting through, so you get to see The End of Eva, but on its own, I would never recommend it to anyone. |
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| It's because many seem to give too much weight to the religious imagery, without realizing that it was just there to imbue it with an apocalyptic atmosphere. |
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| Stylish wasn't a good way to put it, although it is.... People foccus too much on the religious "symbolism", even if there's not much to find there, when it's just background to what really matters. And the way that the show explores character's psych after ep 14. |
llorandoSep 20, 2017 4:42 AM
John_2001 said: Hey, I didn't say it is a good thread ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ zal said: And precisely why should we be even discussing such a poorly presented topic? What does he mean by "most people" when the show has a rating of 8.31 here; a place renowned for its "plebs"?Because if the anime is not airing good luck on having a discussion there. Eva receives its fair share of backlash but yeah, that's definitely a minority. That minority is even smaller if we go out of the MAL users given its sales. On the contrary Eva first appealed to such plebs and otakus, similar to SAO and Re:Zero today's demographic. Unlike them though Eva has more to it. |
zalSep 20, 2017 4:22 AM
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| It caters to a specific audience. This anime relies on its psychological aspect to keep the viewer interested. Without it, it would've been a generic mecha anime. Psychological is one of my favourite genres, yet I didn't enjoy this anime. Why? Because none of the characters interest me and parts of the series consist of nothing but nonsensical visuals and dialogue, which I don't like. It failed to capture my interest since the rest of the anime is mediocre to me. Mind games aren't present here, which is the reason I like psychological anime. The last two episodes of the TV season and the second half of the movie explain absolutely nothing. Thus, I consider it a terrible anime. Good luck finding out what the author means if you're confused. This series is a trainwreck. |
Apoc_RevolutionSep 20, 2017 4:28 AM
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| Because lots of it's fans over analyze it and Kazuya Tsurumaki has admit the Christian symbol is just there for cool factor. So it does has pretentiousness in it. I do however enjoy Evangelion though regardless. |
ZapredonSep 20, 2017 4:29 AM
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| You can make anything up about people, like said people usually do in threads and here too, yet that's not a discussion when they could browse lots of evangelion reviews and articles around the net, at least the most quoted ones, which actually explain themselves and tend to be at least in part wrong no matter the side. |
| The way it ended is a good reason for people to call it that even if it was the only way they could end it while still getting the gist of the anime out there without going completely bankrupt. Another reason is the aforementioned biblical imagery which even the creators admitted they just put it in because they thought it looked cool. The big amount of moments with no animation whatsoever are a third reason even if they are only there to save money. |
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| I've always been under the impression that when people say its pretentious, they meant the fanbase who thinks watching Eva makes them automatically smarter. Maybe I was wrong. |
 You gave up your freedom of speech when you clicked Agree to the User Agreement This is not a public platform. My gaze is the measure of all things: I stopped considering "anime" a helpful tag Recommended Essays Exploring Actually Excellent World-Building |
| "People say it has depth, but I am unable to see it, therefore it must be the show and its fans at fault, just pretending to have any depth." I think this is pretty much the thought process? Add some 'Why is my favorite not nearly as popular and iconic as this?' for good measure, and you got just another variation of 'backlash' where popularity/acclaim makes the people who aren't fans take up more extreme positions than they would if this was just a random show nobody cared about. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Because they're stupid and don't understand the words they use. Don't get me wrong, they can dislike NGE and not be stupid, it's more about it being pretentious. It's not. Perhaps they heard a lot of positive opinions about NGE about it and decided to watch it and ended up not liking it. Bam, a wild pretentious labeling appeared. Or maybe they're just dumb af so they blame it on the show lol |
nbyung09 said: Because the ending is difficult to understand at surface. People do not watch anime to confuse themselves. This told people that EVA perceive itself as a piece of art more than a piece of entertainment. And that's is somewhat pretentious, I guess? since EVA started off as a normal mecha show. A less ''pretentious'' approach will be having an ending that's easy to understand, and a hidden message. The writer will not force the reader to understand or accept the inner message. Ectually the ending was a result of production issues. So it went with a "SHIT WE HAD PRODUCTION ISSUES AT THE END SORRY!" approach. That is also why we have the end of evangelion. |
holysauron said: The animation is great in the first 2/3, afterwards they had to resort to that because of financial shortage caused by unforeseen issues that messed up schedule and budget.The big amount of moments with no animation whatsoever are a third reason even if they are only there to save money. |
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Zeruk said: That would be exaggerated, too many notifications once you've see a good number of anime.zal said: One of the ways mal is really broken. They should at least send a notification to people who has seen the anime (with option to turn it off for people who don't want it)Because if the anime is not airing good luck on having a discussion there. |
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ThatRazorGuy said: It's because many seem to give too much weight to the religious imagery, without realizing that it was just there to imbue it with an apocalyptic atmosphere. This. And that unfortunately diverges them from how straightforward its messages really are. If only people would quit cowering in fear over symbolism and whatnot and realize it as a character study above all else. |
AltoRoarkSep 20, 2017 6:15 AM
PeripheralVision said: Huh, it is possibly the whole Rick and Morty idea where if someone praises a show using certain compliments, such as "classic", "intelligent", or "deep", it becomes much more alluring to young teenagers and general morons, wishing to exercise their pseudo-intellectual boner. They then lavish praise of depth, which is especially undue if they do not understand the theme or realize the significance of the work. Or the desire to find something of value is too much that they create bullshit on the spot, or quote reviews that do. I love Evangelion in a psychological sort of way, but the ending is unsatisfying and confusing. I dislike the whole notion of confusion, and the general idea of"Symbolism", in that I am suppose to define what so and so thing means, rather than what it means to me. This apparent with using random mythological names that any franchise can do, or the pushing of the author that "this means something!" without giving me a damn what. Essentially, obscure symbolism which may not mean anything because the author is lazy bugs me to no end. I also dislike most confusing work, or those that are needlessly confusing. For the most part, it is just the story simulating depth, and confusion is hardly needed anyway. Simplicity is what humans crave of all intelligence levels. Also, budget issues, yes, I can understand. At the same time, any similar circumstance can be used to defend a bad anime or adaptation. Not sure where we draw the line. Wait till you see Serial Experiments Lain, it's even more confusing than Evangelion. It's rife with bizarre visuals and senseless dialogue, sometimes being completely unrelated to the plot. Of course, nothing gets explained either. It's up to the viewer to make sense of that mess. |
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| And I thought The Rebuild's way more egotistically bland.. >Such Deep meanungggggg... and *CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT*.. Dur dur dur |
-HippySnob-Sep 20, 2017 6:58 AM
 "Think about that glowing dust That destroys the night sky's dream of Just being nothing"--  -- |
| Because that's what it is, pretentious. Many plotholes, garbage characters and it is not as deep as people make it seem. |
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zal said: holysauron said: The animation is great in the first 2/3, afterwards they had to resort to that because of financial shortage caused by unforeseen issues that messed up schedule and budget.The big amount of moments with no animation whatsoever are a third reason even if they are only there to save money. I know, although there is this one scene with Shinji and Misato at the train station. Gainax was on the brink of bankrupcy when they made Evangelion so I'm actually surprised there weren't more of those. |
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| says the guy with the tatami galaxy profile pic and cookie cuter "intelligent" taste in anime lol it's an uninteresting show, but people act like it has some super deep meaning that you need 200 IQ to understand. and somehow it's superior to all other anime because of this |
| Evangelion isn't pretentious. It's not an actual person. It's not sentient. It's just pretentious people that either A) hold it on too high of a pedestal because BIBLICAL REFERENCES IN MY ANIME?!? OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!! ...or B) don't like the show or its fans and just write the whole thing off as the ramblings of some depressed asshole. |
FacelessVixenSep 20, 2017 9:20 AM
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PeripheralVision said: Apoc_Revolution said: Wait till you see Serial Experiments Lain, it's even more confusing than Evangelion. It's rife with bizarre visuals and senseless dialogue, sometimes being completely unrelated to the plot. Of course, nothing gets explained either. It's up to the viewer to make sense of that mess. Always been in my purview. Honestly, I hate the idea of having to interpret meaning from something meant to be symbolic. My interpretation could be far different than the author's intent, or me placing meaning that is not there. To be honest, that sounds like complete crap. Just tell me what I am suppose to take away or make it obvious enough, jeez. You know, I appreciate the approach Alan Moore took with V For Vendetta (Oh dear lord, I am being pretentious now, are I not??), in that he let us decide how to feel about the things portrayed, especially in reference to V. Just...can I just decide whether or not I can decide the message or observation is useful, and authors would just tell me? Simple, right? Although I dislike anything that is too vague, I can at least tolerate it if the anime explains things to the viewer. In the case of NGE and SEL, the anime doesn't care if you're confused and carries on, expecting you to make sense out of it. So why should I care about the nonsense that they throw at me? I'm not going to waste my time researching an anime just so I can understand what the author means, especially if it didn't even interest me in the first place. I've said it before and I will say it again: an artform should be able to be understood by viewers. If too many people find it confusing, then it's a failure. |
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| I am more interested in the question of demographics in relation to opinions regarding Evangelion. I have a hypothesis that late Gen Y/Millennials are more predisposed to dislike Evangelion than early Gen Y or Gen X. Unfortunately, in the absence of hard data to confirm or deny this proposition, it simply remains a hypothesis and therefore simply conjectural. |
PeripheralVision said: Apoc_Revolution said: Wait till you see Serial Experiments Lain, it's even more confusing than Evangelion. It's rife with bizarre visuals and senseless dialogue, sometimes being completely unrelated to the plot. Of course, nothing gets explained either. It's up to the viewer to make sense of that mess. Always been in my purview. Honestly, I hate the idea of having to interpret meaning from something meant to be symbolic. My interpretation could be far different than the author's intent, or me placing meaning that is not there. To be honest, that sounds like complete crap. Just tell me what I am suppose to take away or make it obvious enough, jeez. You know, I appreciate the approach Alan Moore took with V For Vendetta (Oh dear lord, I am being pretentious now, are I not??), in that he let us decide how to feel about the things portrayed, especially in reference to V. Just...can I just decide whether or not I can decide the message or observation is useful, and authors would just tell me? Simple, right? Serial Experiments Lain was actually made without any message in particular. According to one of the creators they wanted to see how different Japan and other countries interpret it and they were actually stunned the interpretations were mostly the same. To be honest the thing you hate about NGE is the thing I love about dementia in general. Because the message isn't upfront I really need to focus to get something out of it which prevents me from getting bored. That's also how I approached the ending of NGE. I might not have the same interpretation as the creator but even then it's ok, because when I find people who have seen the same anime I might be able have a nice discussion about it. |
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topazio said: However, I do think Evangelion kinda feigns complexity. I watched it some years ago, and I remember that while it's not shallow it definitely isn't the "2deep4u" most fans claim it to be, neither was that impressed by the whole psychological side of it, so it may again be a case of "stupid fans getting the work hated". Of course I had a different mindset then, and it's on my to rewatch list, so I might have a different opinion when I experience it again. I actually used to agree with you in my mid-20s. Then I got into film theory and literary theory and rewatched it and was utterly blown away. You may experience the same thing. holysauron said: Serial Experiments Lain was actually made without any message in particular. According to one of the creators they wanted to see how different Japan and other countries interpret it and they were actually stunned the interpretations were mostly the same. Watch Serial Experiments Lain and read Jean Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation. Repeat as often as necessary. |
FvlminatvsSep 20, 2017 10:12 AM
LMAO! That picture perfectly summarizes NGE...to the fucking tee! |
Can't agree more. Asuka's attitude gets on my nerves and Shinji's just plain pathetic. |
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| Obligatory: Let's be honest folks....NGE will go down in anime legend for two main reasons: #1 the OP #2 Asuka  Thank god for Asuka. |
| No. Even Louise is a better tsundere than that trash. But I did like it when she finally snaps in EoE. |
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John_2001 said: No. Even Louise is a better tsundere than that trash. But I did like it when she finally snaps in EoE. You're thinking about Asuka the anime character... Asuka the doujin character is completely different fam. |
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