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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Grimmer sure is a though guy. He managed to resist through that beat-up and torture, until that mysterious appeared. I hope they show us who she is soon =P |
| I am guessing Johan and Nina's mother. |
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| I'm wondering who that woman is as well. She looked distinctly like Nina... |
| I had a flashback from Higurashi there, did anyone else? :D |
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DarkUltimate said: I had a flashback from Higurashi there, did anyone else? :D I did, too. Although it was a little more intense in Higurashi. Spies must be tough. I know I couldn't take being tortured and still keep quiet. |
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| Man, Grimmer is steadily rising in my affections. Poor man! DDD: I felt really bad for him in this episode. |
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Shishou said: Man, Grimmer is steadily rising in my affections. Poor man! DDD: I felt really bad for him in this episode. God, it must've hurt like hell. Poor Grimmer... I'm just forcing myself to complete this episode since I dislike watching torture and stuff. But I'm surprised at myself that I easily read this part in the manga though. He's a tough man indeed. |
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| Grimmer is the best char in this show. Johan and Nina's Mom must be what like 35-39? She looks really young. Though it might be Nina, I'd be really surprised if it was... And yeah Higurashi flashback...I don't like torture that much...then again who does -_- |
| I want to really hear the contents of that tape. |
| Geeezzzzz, every time a Grimmer's nail was cutting I sighed a lot. Great episode. |
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| My fingers hurt after seeing this episode... I wonder who the woman was.. And considering she only shot one them, does that mean Grimmer beat the other ones to death? |
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| Man... I feel like kneeling before Grimmer, the way that fatfuck tortured his nails; I was about to trow up. He sure is though but I just simply don't get it... why would he die for the papers? Is not like hes going to resolve the mystery of 511 Kinderheim in hell. Also Napalmbrain; She can't be Nina's and Johann's mother, simply because shes looks too young. Karl's mother met her when she was about to cross the border and that was 20 years ago. She probably has around 40... thats my guessing anyway. |
| Wow that was horrific...I hate torture scenes x_x I don't think that woman is Nina but she looks way to young to be her mother too 8| |
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DarkUltimate said: I had a flashback from Higurashi there, did anyone else? :D AARGH why so mutch nail torture in anime :C |
| I don't know if that was Johan's and Anna's mother or not, but it sure gave me a hint to about Johan. In last episode's discussion topic, I stated that Johan was either hiding his monster personality from his mother or he became a monster in between after he left his mother and came to Kinderheim 511. I also thought that their mother's motive to kill Petrov was revenge. But now... It is completely different. Again, I don't know if she was their mother but it gave me third possibility. Johan's mother is also a monster. Just think about it. Killing 2 armed men without a gun. Not even flinching before she shoots. Killing innocent maid. All of this can only be done by a monster. If we actually assume that she is a monster, it rules out the motive I thought up earlier. The new motive, would be to protect Johan in my opinion. If she is a monster she is much older than Johan and therefore much smarter, with more evolved emotion nullification. Therefore, she must know Johan's vulnerability, which is probably his past. We saw Johan's emotions when he gazed upon a book from his past. It is possible that his mother build Johan's personality for some reason and thinks, that people who know his past can be a threat to him. However, there is one but to this theory. If the theory was true, she would not have left Grimmer since he has the tape. From that action we could assume that the twins' mother is a good person. Probably VERY reasonable, logic, genius, can lock up her emotions to think rationally, and even smarter than Johan, but she is not a monster. If this was the case, then she is probably trying to fix her mistakes in educating Johan. Maybe the mistake was to letting a genius person like Johan leave her. |
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| This show has too many fat, creepy bastards. |
DarkUltimate said: This.I had a flashback from Higurashi there, did anyone else? :D If that's Mamiko Noto's mother, she is too beautiful. I'm going to stick with a goddess wielding a gun. <3 |
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| wow grimmer is way cooler now that he discribes himself in such a way, yes i am also wondering who this mysterious women is. |
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| i think grimer has that weird dual personality aswell. like johan. so he can relate to him. As for tenma, where is he? I havnt seen him for agessss!!!! |
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| This episode was gross, I cringed a lot. Wonder what this guy's story is. |
Grimmm said: This show has too many fat, creepy bastards. Lol'd |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| ugh, watching that guy chop off grimmer's nails was so painful :( |
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| So Grimmer killed 2 of the assholes and that randum Woman one, wtf is going on!? |
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| Grimmer is so awesome. Amazing Steiner! =D |
| It's cool how she appeared at the door. |
| grimmer is amazing |
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| I thought it was pretty funny, that at the end of the episode, his fingertips wasn't missing :> |
| Ouch! Who is the beautiful woman firing the gun? Could it be a split personality within Nina? The mother? Another sibling? |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| I think the girl might be Nina, she just regained her memories of her childhood, perhaps now she will be as fucked up as Johan... 0.o what if there are now going to be two monsters. If that is Nina though, what happened to Dieter? |
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| *sigh* Bad episode to watch with an recently injured nail. |
MaedhrostheTall said: Could Grimmer be one of the kids from Kinderheim? He's got that whole monster/darker stronger side.. He might be. He gives off this kind of vibe that's saying there's more to him than we see. |
| Really sad episode. About Episode: So I first thought this Zenman would be good but he turned to be bad afterall same type person like Roberto was not going to miss him. Also I guess Grimmer think that and decided to lie and not tell about Kinderhaim 511 and that tape or safe at all. However it looks like Zenman hired this secret police to follow Grimmer and after that questioning him for the safe and tape. It's really weird that Grimmer did something in that condition were he was. He might be also one of the Kinderhaim 511 kids. Or maybe he has Monster side like Johan has. This would explain why he did that in the end of episode. Okay now seriously who was that woman who again appeared in front of Grimmer this time I guess she's Johan's mom. Cause they were asking Grimmer where she lives and now she might spy that secret police group also. Oh something remind me of Higurashi here :DD 5/5 |
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| I have to say, Grimmer has balls. Also who the hell is that woman? Is it Anna or not? |
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Vegaplus said: That was one hell of a manicure. Well he wont have to cut his nails for a while now |
| That was a horrible torture but at least he wont need a pedicure for a while. Who is this mysterious woman? And who killed the other 2 guys? After watching this episode i can definitely say that Grimmer is a good person. |
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| I love Grimmer after having watched that. His speech about that cartoon was amazing. You have to be something else to take torture like that and react the way he did. |
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Mikiyo said: He sure is though but I just simply don't get it... why would he die for the papers? Is not like hes going to resolve the mystery of 511 Kinderheim in hell. lol this was hilarious mainly because you suggested he'd be in hell when he died. |
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parfaited said: Ouch my nails hurt whilst watching. Same here.. I was NOT excpecting a torture scene. o_O |
| MAH NAILS! I swear that looked really painful. Vegaplus said: Lmao.That was one hell of a manicure. |
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| wow amazing!! damn should have known that detective was one of the secret police. makes sense since he seem to know a lot about them. it's obvious that Grimmer gave the key to Antonin as he heads out to one of the nursery orphanage. and lol the driver look alot like Roberto! i thought he actually survived!! man Grimmer got his nails plucked out! fucking bastard detective. so that's why they were searching for Johan's past, so that they can bargain him to join them. though is Kinderheim 511 really a place for growing elite children? i thought it was to teach kids about love?? and that's definitely not Anna! she has much longer hair, has no expression especially killing both three man at the same time. definitely Johan and Anna's mother!! wonder how she knew of the location? wow props to Grimmer walking out of that facility on foot along not to mention beat up as hell and carrying his thick bag. next episode i hope we can learn more about that woman :) |
| its hard to make me look away but that fingernail scene was just hard to watch, animated or not that is just a unpleasant thought |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Always-Hungry said: And who killed the other 2 guys? Grimmer probably has the "Magnificent Steiner" abillity that he was talking about, which allowed him to kill the two guys who weren't shot by the woman. The bruises on his hands at the end of the episode indicate that he beat them to death. I wonder how it manifested in him. |
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| I jumped off my seat when I saw the taxi driver, he looked like roberto. |
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