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Knighthammer619 said: @Reecey91 They would die anyway, everyone connected to the people in the stronghold would be executed, at least this way would be quick. SPOILER SPOILER Ah ok that makes sense |
| I was ready to see Shisui get out of there with Maomao...then she killed the kids. They are all monsters now. |
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Reply to Ranchpig
@Ishitateso
Gunpowder doesn't explode, it burns. There's a difference and older gunpowder (black powder) was a lot slower than what we use now. What makes gunpowder effective in bullets is that the burn creates pressure (expansion) in say an enclosed pipe or a one way barrel. Quite effectively too. Because the room isn't a barrel it would have flashed as it burned and used all the oxygen then expanded to the path of least resistance, the windows, which is exactly what the show portrayed. You could survive pretty easily if you were behind something to block the initial heat like a stone wall. Explosives are another thing entirely.
But in effect, your absolutely right. No one would actually throw a torch into barrels of GP expecting to live. It would be pretty devastating to anyone near it. Major burns, hearing loss, suffocation, etc.
Ishitateso said:
Such an amount of gunpowder that Loulan ignited with her torch so causally would have blown the tower to pieces killing everyone in the room and its vicinity. I get that it was all for the dramatic effect but it was kinda nonsensical and broke the previously seamless flow of the events - her throwing silver to the servants (because she is a 'good" girl after all) then without waiting for them to escape she just flings her torch into a metric ton of explosive material.
Such an amount of gunpowder that Loulan ignited with her torch so causally would have blown the tower to pieces killing everyone in the room and its vicinity. I get that it was all for the dramatic effect but it was kinda nonsensical and broke the previously seamless flow of the events - her throwing silver to the servants (because she is a 'good" girl after all) then without waiting for them to escape she just flings her torch into a metric ton of explosive material.
Gunpowder doesn't explode, it burns. There's a difference and older gunpowder (black powder) was a lot slower than what we use now. What makes gunpowder effective in bullets is that the burn creates pressure (expansion) in say an enclosed pipe or a one way barrel. Quite effectively too. Because the room isn't a barrel it would have flashed as it burned and used all the oxygen then expanded to the path of least resistance, the windows, which is exactly what the show portrayed. You could survive pretty easily if you were behind something to block the initial heat like a stone wall. Explosives are another thing entirely.
But in effect, your absolutely right. No one would actually throw a torch into barrels of GP expecting to live. It would be pretty devastating to anyone near it. Major burns, hearing loss, suffocation, etc.
| @Ranchpig "Remember, remember, the fifth of November" I am not an expert on gunpowder, so you might be right, but I remember that Guy Fawkes wanted to blow up the House of Lords with 36 barrels of gunpowder in 1605, and in the history of my country too a bunch of castles were blown up with gunpowder after the prevailing monarchs subdued local rebellions. That is as far as my knowledge extends but anyway that made me guess that there should have been shown much more devastion in the aftermath and almost all of them could have died in that room. |
IshitatesoJun 7, 2:19 AM
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| what the fuck was that ending |
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| Loved the episode. I especially loved when Maomao insulted Shenmei by calling her an effed-up old hag, because, funnily enough, she is an effed-up old hag, literally. I'm so glad someone finally stood up to her cocky, arrogant, childish, immature, bullying effed-up ar$e. Seriously, chapeau, Maomao. Putting the hag aside, Loulan had me totally confused this episode. One minute I’m like, “Oh, so she’s actually a good girl after all!” and the very next minute I’m like, “Yo, what the hell, Loulan?” So she knew Maomao would be cool with stuff like insects and reptiles, as we all know, and tricked her mom into putting Maomao there because she loves and cares about her. And then… she poisons the children to save them from Shenmei? I mean, yeah, Shenmei doesn’t have a single merciful bone in her body, but still, wouldn’t helping the kids escape have been a better idea? At least that way they’d have had a chance to survive. Just like how Maomao should’ve just stayed out of Loulan’s mess. Then again, Maomao is the curious type, plus she’s the heroine, so she’s not getting killed off anytime soon. I’m just saying, it’d be nice to see a little common sense once in a while. I’m seriously curious, intrigued, and invested in how Loulan is going to answer Maomao’s question about why she showed her the children’s corpses. Because honestly, I still have no idea if this girl is actually good or bad. It's like she's trapped in some kinda twisted game of survival and manipulation. |
| From the Loulan I hated so much to this bright girl named Shisui and that pure smile she blessed us with… I hope she survives someway or another. 5/5 |
| god, this episode finally surpassed what I've read of the manga, and boy was I not ready for that ending! I hope Maomao has some trick up her sleeve because that was heartbreaking. on the other hand, they are all probably destined to die for treason anyway, so does it really make a difference? |
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Reply to SolLamia
Like most people, I am also hoping that poison was the resurrection medicien (Yomigaeru no kusuri) But I am doubting. Coz like what Loulan said, that sort of death is much kinder than letting them live and experience the punishment that's about to come to their clan. Spare them of suffering I guess? this route is like a kind but tragic end for them. IF tho it's the resurrection one, questions that'll float are, first they come back alive and then what? they get captured by the army and gets punished. OR maybe Loulan has already set up some sort of escape for them, meaning, they all erase their past, get new names and start fresh. I do want this to happen but... there's a lot of complications there and they're going to be forever running and hiding, which obviously, opens up a lot of potential of them being used as characters to interact with MaoMao in the future... but this sort of life is really harsh, coz even if they get away there's always that fear and paranoia of getting found out.
Curious to know tho what others ideas and thoughts are... but yeah... excited for the next episode.
Curious to know tho what others ideas and thoughts are... but yeah... excited for the next episode.
| @SolLamia Finally, i see someone really thinks through all of it, not naive idealism (escaping children) |
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| After seeing reactions & comments about TAD since long time ago, i'm convinced this anime is really not for people with low span attention and mentally child cause they complain everything that is immoral with modern world standard such as Jinshi do the thing with Maomao and this scene with poisoning children. Many people already explained why, but if you still complain, please get off from here, this anime is simply not for you! |
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| Wow! I didn't expect it to end like this, but while there was some humor, the narrative was mostly dark, so what happens in the end doesn't jar. I hope the old woman gets killed in the worst way possible, but I hope Shisui doesn't die, after all she's a victim like everyone else. |
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| what is this man !!! so much despairr and tragic |
| Wow, what an intense episode. All the clues placed throughout the whole series finally fall into place, and boy do they ever deliver. Pretty much all of my previous speculations and questions were answered and/or confirmed in this episode, like the point about Loulan/Shisui did in fact sleep with the emperor out of forced obligation but didn't want to give birth in her mother's plot, hence why she ingested the various toxic contraceptives that were available, such as the lantern flower berry and other compounds in the inner palace. All the clues were there from the start, even the ones like the filler-esque ghost story that didn't seem relevant to the overall plot initially but were in fact alluding to bigger story points later on, connected to one another like one big spiderweb. That seems to be a recurring theme in this series... almost everything that happens, happens for a reason, and will probably be connected to another story point down the road. This world-building is amazing. One thing that was a little vague, though...it's where we see the mother(s) were sleeping presumably after shagging in that musky room. Did those men have high positions, and so they were being whored out by Shenmei? I don't want to spoil myself too much from reading the LN. Well...not that it really matters all that much anyway, since they're all going to get executed for treason in the end, with the army closing in as indicated by the smoke signals. Although I do feel sorry for them and their children nonetheless, as they're used as puppets like Roulan was used by her mother to try and usurp the throne. Kyou-u in particular, he might be a mischievous brat that gets into trouble all the time, but he's still just an innocent kid that yearns for his mother's love and deserves a better life. Oh, so Maomao knew that Roulan/Shisui gave Maomao her golden hair pick, huh. Here I thought she was unaware it was put in her hair, since there were no mirrors (unless there was one on the table and I just forgot). And she certainly put them to good use, using them as deadly cooking skewers for barbecued snake. Maomao has no room to criticize Roulan/Shisui for eating bugs when she's happy to snack on deadly venomous snakes. That was also a critical oversight of the poison pit torture/execution method: leaving her with the torch, which she could easily use to fend off the critters even without going to the trouble of stabbing them or using the dried herbs she had as insect repellent. Maomao probably opted to not use fire immediately just to get a tasty snack instead of killing the snakes via burning them to a charcoaled crisp. I'm curious if the hair stick Jinshi gave her was made of silver or steel... I imagine it would be silver, given Jinshi's high status and ability to afford something as valuable as that to the point it could be sold for a pretty sum just for the craftsmanship, let alone the material. Roulan/Shisui has become one of my absolute favorite characters this season. Both she and her half-sister, Suirei...both tragic characters that didn't deserve to be born into a hellhole like their messed-up family. I'm really rooting for their survival, as well as the innocent children, who likely drank the "resurrection" medicine. We're led to believe the same thing Maomao is probably thinking: that it was a mercy killing, which is heavily implied. But they likely have a stockpile of the resurrection drug from the previous apothecary in the stronghold or Suirei's test run prototypes she may have brought along from the village. Suirei did say she was going to teach Maomao how to make it after all, and so far has only taught her the recipe, not the process or the ratios, as far as I can remember... And then likely lost that chance to actually show her when Maomao was caught by Shenmei and sent to the stronghold under heavy surveillance. Even if the kids did drink regular deadly poison, it still would have been better than the alternatives: execution by hanging, beheading, or freezing to death in the thick of freezing winter wilderness as they try to run to who knows where, with limited supplies. There was no way they'd be able to survive on the run in those conditions without outside help. They'll die of frostbite before the army even arrives, as they wouldn't be able to travel as far as a grown adult would (like the guard who let Maomao out of her torture/execution pit, who later defected and ran). Speaking of which, I hope he survives too and uses that jade ornament to fund his travels...he seemed like a good guy since he repaid the favor Maomao did for him by letting her out and warned her about avoiding detection in her escape. The fate of the hot spring village residents doesn't look good either if they're even remotely related to the Shi clan or associated with the Shi clan's rebellion. I'm curious what will happen to Ayla and where her look-alike cousin is, since we haven't seen them again since Ayla was shown to be a co-conspirator working with the Shi clan in their rebellion. Next episode, we see the army coming in with hand cannons, the firearms that were in use before the newer smoothbore rifles and pistols from the West that fire bullets were more widely adopted, transitioning from medieval technology to early modern firearms. I imagine that the newer firearms will be produced domestically soon enough now that they have the reverse-engineered schematics and samples to reference, from the confiscated guns in the assassination plot attempt. In the preview: Absolutely brutal action in the fight scenes when the armies clash... I was not expecting a slo-mo bloody beheading in all its goryness, held on merely by a bit of skin on the neck. That's ancient war for ya... I'm glad they didn't censor it, because it would just downplay the hell that is war and cheapen the action. Man, we are so close to this season ending, nearing its climax with only 3 episodes to go. It's sad just thinking about all the fun hijinks Maomao, Xiaolan, and "Shisui" get up to in their day-to-day life at the palace...because those days of all 3 of them together are already long gone no matter what comes out of this season, and I'm going to miss the trio. I hope that evil old hag dies before the end of this season. She's the direct cause of so many senseless deaths, all for her political ambitions and vanity. |
| Shenmei is one twisted woman, she's so full of anger and hatred. I feel so bad for Shisui having to make that decision to mercy kill the children. |
| i don't dislike this storyline but i feel like shenmei is a little too over the top evil, it would be a lot more interesting if there was at least a little nuance to her character. |
Reply to TuyNOM
Honestly, it's time to really write my thoughts on the anime adaptation.
This second season is a disappointment based on the adaptation work of the first season. All along, I've tried to ignore the numerous directorial flaws, but when you add them up, it's hard to ignore them.
I'm not sure what happened with the staff, but they clearly didn't have the time or the means to adapt such an ambitious arc. Whether in storyboarding or animation, it's just not good enough.
Why does episode 16 cut out so many parts to describe the conspiracy in the imperial court that's been building up since the first episode? Why didn't they make it a grander episode? In the light novel, this moment explodes like an atomic bomb, but the anime missed this point.
Episode 21, the one we're talking about, is obviously the worst. It gets positive reviews because of the yuri bait (something the anime added, I don't know why tbh), the many reveals and the action. But frankly it was very hard to turn away from all those weirdly drawn faces and messed-up animations (honestly I haven't looked up since the infamous episode 9 of Märchen Mädchen).
I'm afraid of the many static shots in subsequent episodes and their usual close-ups of faces (because there's no need to animate) which was a feature I found a lot in the old One Piece adaptation before they changed the staff with Wano arc.
But really, this adaptation is a disappointment. I recommend the light novel or manga by Touko Shino.
This second season is a disappointment based on the adaptation work of the first season. All along, I've tried to ignore the numerous directorial flaws, but when you add them up, it's hard to ignore them.
I'm not sure what happened with the staff, but they clearly didn't have the time or the means to adapt such an ambitious arc. Whether in storyboarding or animation, it's just not good enough.
Why does episode 16 cut out so many parts to describe the conspiracy in the imperial court that's been building up since the first episode? Why didn't they make it a grander episode? In the light novel, this moment explodes like an atomic bomb, but the anime missed this point.
Episode 21, the one we're talking about, is obviously the worst. It gets positive reviews because of the yuri bait (something the anime added, I don't know why tbh), the many reveals and the action. But frankly it was very hard to turn away from all those weirdly drawn faces and messed-up animations (honestly I haven't looked up since the infamous episode 9 of Märchen Mädchen).
I'm afraid of the many static shots in subsequent episodes and their usual close-ups of faces (because there's no need to animate) which was a feature I found a lot in the old One Piece adaptation before they changed the staff with Wano arc.
But really, this adaptation is a disappointment. I recommend the light novel or manga by Touko Shino.
| @TuyNOM: I respectfully, but strongly disagree. I think that the anime is doing a great job untangling most of the various plot threads - it is literally impossible to do this with all of them from the LN source simply due to time constraints, so they had to pick and choose. And in my opinion, they chose wisely. The high rating has got very little to do with Yuri - at least in my case. It's because people unfamiliar with the LN (and that is the vast majority of the viewers) have so many "aaah, so THAT is why..." effects. It's not for you, it's not for me. It's for those unfamiliar with the source. |
| Not a particular fan of how comically evil Shenmei is. One of the many things this story has done well is give every character humanity, even the previous paedophile emperor. A relentless sadist feels so odd. |
| Man, that ending was dark! I know the kids didn't have much of a bright future at all because of the generational wipe out hints that we've been seeing but jeez, it's still heartbreaking to see it come to that. Suiren the only possible person that might be pardoned with life imprisonment or something along those lines due to royal blood. Key revelation about the abortifacients too, I figured she was obviously the one having to do the bedroom action but the small talk and whatnot probably covered by the lookalike maids. If Jinshi-sama was able to pick on the makeup alone, I doubt the Emperor wouldn't with the exposed sensitive body parts. And that smile she pulled out with Shisui too. I was hoping Maomao would find a way to make her escape the clutches of the Royal family but with the poison plot now, I don't think she'll do that anymore... I do wonder what Shisui wants to show/do with Maomao but I'll leave that for next week. Oh, and colourblind-ness! Nice of Maomao to bring that up for viewers like me. Anyways, some nice lighthearted moments before the finish. Taibon, I totally understand Suiren's fear, I would've blanked out the moment the snake peeks its head out, honestly. For Maomao though, that's light work xD. Great save there from Shisui! Ba-ba comment totally ticking off Shenmei was respect but man, it could've ended really bad there... Banger after banger episodes, I was thinking S2 was taking a while to get really started but here we are, the mysteries and new developments unravelling at great pace. |
#Anime4Life be my Life Motto! #PrayForKyoAni  |
| Thats so dark I cant believe its real. Maomao will mix something and revive everyone next episode. And then they will life on happy! lol |
| i wanna see maomao fuckin uppercut shenmei soo bad bro |
| Suirei knew exactly what she was doing when she suggested that punishment for Maomao. That final scene was painful. |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| Wow, I was not expecting Shisui to Magda Goebbels the kids. The series felt like it was plateauing or even dipping during the middle-late parts of this season, but last week's episode and this week's were excellent. It has really ramped up intrigue for me again. |
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| Why, why do this to these innocent children :'( |
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