What happened to elitists?

that discussion is pointless, imagine battling over animated cartoons and who has better taste, we do not live in 2000s anymore, get over with it, "anime" is animation from japan it's a medium and not "genre", animation is for everyone with plephora of genre's and demographics to choose from and enjoy and have fun.

@jacobPOL

How dare you post sonething reasonable and true on AD.

@JoeChip because whenever I see these type of discussions it's just so annoying when people delusionaly fighting over nothing and are fighting between each other instead having fun.

@jacobPOL

Well "fighting over nothing and are fighting between each other" is their understanding of fun.

Well, it's been a few years since the last time someone with Monster, Cowboy Bebop, Madoka Magica, End of Eva and Tenshi no Tamago in his favorites told me that my 10s are trash even if no one asked.

I guess elitists are slowly disappearing; it makes sense, since new anime fans keep replacing old ones.

@joemaamah You are the Eternal One, the Fount of Knowledge, the Living Testament. And also a super-elitist, apparently.

I did just call Attack on Titan fans "old-timers," though, so take that how you will ;)

@Nirinbo
OK, but why aren't new fans becoming elitists?

@jacobPOL

Well "fighting over nothing and are fighting between each other" is their understanding of fun.

@JoeChip because whenever I see these type of discussions it's just so annoying when people delusionaly fighting over nothing and are fighting between each other instead having fun.

@thewiru because we're getting farther and farther away from the age in which "elitist starter pack" anime thrived, the late 90s-early 2000s. If you start watching anime in the 2020s you'll most likely start with whatever is popular right now; most people will drop this hobby after a few years and they might never know they would have loved those elitist anime because they never had the chance to watch them.

With that said, new anime fans can still be just as arrogant. The difference is that a few years ago the guy who insulted me for no reason had the elitist starter pack in his favorites, whereas more recently the same insults came from a fan of AoT, Demon Slayer and Solo Leveling.

@Nirinbo
OK, but why aren't new fans becoming elitists?

@Supersonic_Pain Solo Leveling is bad because it is primarily liked by Indians who as a country decided that Johnny Bravo was someone that was meant to be emulated, ergo while they operate in the english speaking sphere their considerations should be taken with a grain of salt. Power fantasies appeal the most to those who live in poor conditions as another example.

@thewiru well there aren't many POPULAR new titles which will attract them
There are still good shows but do you really think most new fans will come to anime because of dead dead demon's? (Well I try but still) And from them how many have a superiority complex? There are people who think they are better than everyone else but not many will be attracted to anime

People started calling those "elitist starter pack" in the 10s tho.
Back in the day those were "Decent anime you can find on bootlegged VHS/DVD or download via IRC, if you want something different than those countless Pokemon-like shows on TV.".

@Nirinbo

So what, lmao?
Can't that person just be elitist over other anime? I made a thread several months ago how there's a lot of elitist anime that came in the 2010's.

Natural score decay?
Also not sure how that tells us something about anime elitists in general, since "elitist starter pack" was sort of a meme and way to mock the retro fans.

On the other hand - yes, I think nowadays there are less retro anime fans in comparison to the total number of anime fans. Plus the limited availability is not the only factor to blame.

And a bit off tropic - never watched SEL, never felt it's for me. Also from the stuff I know about it, I am not sure how it is/was considered a classic. Was it influential? Was is an unprecedented achievement, a high water mark?
I suspect nostalgia.

Natural score decay?
Also not sure how that tells us something about anime elitists in general, since "elitist starter pack" was sort of a meme and way to mock the retro fans.

On the other hand - yes, I think nowadays there are less retro anime fans in comparison to the total number of anime fans. Plus the limited availability is not the only factor to blame.

And a bit off tropic - never watched SEL, never felt it's for me. Also from the stuff I know about it, I am not sure how it is/was considered a classic. Was it influential? Was is an unprecedented achievement, a high water mark?
I suspect nostalgia.

@BilboBaggins365 Obviously attacking people's intelligence is ridiculous and wrong. Obviously anyone thinking Legend of the Galactic Heroes is a replacement for reading history books is wrong. Obviously listening to people who are pretentious or think they're smart is annoying. But knowledge is only one half of being a critic. The other half is the choice to be a critic by trade. I don't expect everyone or most people to be critics. That's exactly what I'm saying. To be a proper critic, one must have knowledge and devotion, and that devotion includes discernment and curiosity.

Not this "elitist anime fans" argument again... And we already have an elitist thread just a few days ago https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2205522

People need to learn use search.

@Nirinbo

So what, lmao?
Can't that person just be elitist over other anime? I made a thread several months ago how there's a lot of elitist anime that came in the 2010's.

Natural score decay?
Also not sure how that tells us something about anime elitists in general, since "elitist starter pack" was sort of a meme and way to mock the retro fans.

On the other hand - yes, I think nowadays there are less retro anime fans in comparison to the total number of anime fans. Plus the limited availability is not the only factor to blame.

And a bit off tropic - never watched SEL, never felt it's for me. Also from the stuff I know about it, I am not sure how it is/was considered a classic. Was it influential? Was is an unprecedented achievement, a high water mark?
I suspect nostalgia.

You can be a well-read fan and even a so-called "expert" on something without being an elitist though.

I think there's a difference between being pro-intellectual and pro-elitist.

Critical thinking good, elitist attitude bad

That's not to say you can't dislike popular modern shows (God knows I've done that) but if you turn your nose up at modern anime and hold up the same list of 20+ year old "elitist" anime as peak fiction, that's something anyone can do.

You can have an elitist attitude with no critical thinking and have worthless reviews.

You shouldn't be propping up "elitists", you should be propping up people of all types who put actual thought behind their reviews


I'm gonna keep it 100 with you, I haven't seen Solo Leveling, it was just the first modern show that "elitists" wouldn't like that came to mind

Digibro was kind of a degenerate who was just trying to justify his degeneracy.

To OP, My taste is sortof classical elitist bs... But I don't like telling people what to watch. Cause I watch stuff like Ergo Proxy and Monster unironically to analyse the themes and characters.

@thewiru I dunno, anime in the classical elitist fashion aren't really coming out. Last one IMO is Ping Pong. Maybe Sonny Boy?

@BilboBaggins365 I miss even the snobby elitists because they were open to the idea of taking anime seriously, of it being something that could be engaged critically and something that is meaningful. But yeah you're right really what I want is critics. I don't even know where anime critics could be cultivated, or where I could find ones. Big sakuga people are honestly the closest, despite my dislike of much of their approach.

@JoeChip I posted in this thread. My thread was inspired by that one, but is not the same subject

Definitely Sonny Boy.
Some later ones (Released after Sonny Boy) that could (Possibly) qualify (Going for the more "stereotypical" definition, otherwise I would put some cute girls anime here):

• Chi. Chikyuu no Undou ni Tsuite
  
• Mononoke Movie: Karakasa
  
• Look Back
  
• Kimitachi wa Dou Ikiru ka
  
• Tengoku Daimakyou
  
• Cyberpunk: Edgerunners
  
• Ousama Ranking
  
• Heion Sedai no Idaten-tachi

I'll admit that some of those were a bit of a stretch, though.

@Geark77 I didn’t know that. Is he writing good stuff or just baiting? Is anidb less sensitive?

@SuperAdventure Objectivity doesn't work like that.
Monogatari is "peak" because of the character design of the girls not the direction.
Monogatari has good writing and the claim that it's writing is "peak" should be allowed to be tested without cowardly jy "techniques" and misdirection.

Not that I'm saying you have to like Monogatari but the lack of self-awareness here is astounding

You're saying that your opinion is objective and that people are only saying a show is good because it's popular

Two things an elitist would do

They pursued masters and PhDs in animation? Participated in symposiums? Wrote critically and grew up to responsibilities in the field?
@Dienen She isn't Digibro, she is Trixie the Golden Witch

@SuperAdventure you still haven't explained why it is objectively crap. And yes, popularity for non kodomo series before Indian access to the internet is a good metric for quality akshually.