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| good animation vs bad animation mimimi is just wanting to win an argument based on personal a opinion of each individual, nothing new... i guess, for the ones who read the manga, the fight was easy to follow and actually quite surprising, at least for me but, since this is all based on personal point of view anyway, imho the episode was great and different from the usual animation i'm used to see in fighting scenes, and yeah, mob psycho vibes me likes :) |
| Is that a motherfu***ng Neon Genesis Evangelion refference? Now that i have your attention please read :D People say the animation was either good or bad, well i say its both! Lets break it in two parts, 1- Fight scene. 2- Asta demon and witch queen scenes. Lets be real, the fight scene was mainly awful. Fact is the animation (not the art) was so rash that at points you cant know what the hell is going on. Also the 3D and the flying jet sounds make think that they were pulling out an Inuyashiki fight scene xD. And the way they did it, it look like they used microsoft paint and photoshop cutout filters. You could barely see the caracters art or background. Now, the Asta demon and witch queen scenes were not only ok but awsome! Like some here noticed the demon scene resembles Devilman Crybaby art wich is great. The witch queen scene was also good art and animation. In the end i prefer the lack of animation that everyone has been talking about rather then wrongly overusing it. |
| This episode reminded me when I first got GIMP and I started playing with random color/effect filters. Horrible memories yup. |
"What has two arms, two legs, and is alive? Not your favorite character lol! xD" |
| I really enjoyed this episode! Hope the next will be good aswell :P |
 "You're my wings right? If I'm with you, I can fly anywhere I want... We'll always be together right?" - Zero Two |
| The animation was really smooth but wtf are those camera shots, like seriously? It's almost impossible to follow 90% of the fight. It was like the fight between saitama and boros in one punch man but without the good camera shots that made the fight easy to follow and epic. That's the only negative point of this episode in my opinion, I liked the ending, didn't expect that witch to do that, no rest for Asta I guess... Btw, if anyone know how many episode we'll get in this season I'm interested^^ |
| Lol. I'm getting Fate/Apocrypha flashbacks with the amount of people that don't understand the difference between art style and animation. |
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| Once again people show they dont know anything about animation |
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| I think the point of the animation, blurry abstract action vs the neat background, was to make the battle hard to follow. I mean the other characters are blown away by what they are seeing because it is ridiculously OP. Asta appears a meteor to them. It would be kind of silly for anyone to clearly see what was going on. Anyhow, I love the animation so I guess its all in the viewers eyes. Edited to add it probably also depends on the device/app you watched on. I watched on my tv via the roku CR app. I have one of the newer smart tvs and there was a couple spots it pixelated because of how much was going on. However on my samsung galaxy, I switched over to screenshot, it stays more crisp because it can handle it better so mileage may vary in that aspect. |
JessicaAFMDec 25, 2018 4:38 PM
| Great! Studio pierrot makes animation in paint now, idk why i liked this episode sometimes idk what's wrong with me. |
| Was amazing, loved it. |
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| The animation was so MS paint that I couldn't tell what was going on half the time. Very sad to see such a badass plot point ruined by poor animation. This could've been an early Naruto nine tailed fox moment but instead it was a disaster. On the brightside, the demon possession design looks visually appealing. This is what happens when animation studios have to cut corners and do animation on a budget while pumping out an episode a week. |
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Zei33 said: The animation was so MS paint that I couldn't tell what was going on half the time. Very sad to see such a badass plot point ruined by poor animation. This could've been an early Naruto nine tailed fox moment but instead it was a disaster. On the brightside, the demon possession design looks visually appealing. This is what happens when animation studios have to cut corners and do animation on a budget while pumping out an episode a week. They started working on this episode before they did with episode 59 and if they wanted to cut corners then they would have gone through the effort of making characters move so much you absolute moron. Panning shots with stills is how you cut corners. It's funny how episodes like this bring armchair animation critics out of their woodworks. |
Z4KDec 28, 2018 12:14 PM
Z4k said: Zei33 said: The animation was so MS paint that I couldn't tell what was going on half the time. Very sad to see such a badass plot point ruined by poor animation. This could've been an early Naruto nine tailed fox moment but instead it was a disaster. On the brightside, the demon possession design looks visually appealing. This is what happens when animation studios have to cut corners and do animation on a budget while pumping out an episode a week. They started working on this episode before they did with episode 59 and if they wanted to cut corners then they would have gone through the effort of making characters move so much you absolute moron. Panning shots with stills is how you cut corners. It's funny how episodes like this bring armchair animation critics out of their woodworks. What the fuck are you talking about? It's textbook cutting corners to just not animate anything for 10 seconds at a time. There were entire scenes that literally had nothing on screen but drawings that look like they were done by a 10 year old. You have to be mentally handicapped to not be able to see that. |
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Zei33 said: It's quite obvious who the mentally handicapped one here actually is. Because you're talking about the art retard.Z4k said: They started working on this episode before they did with episode 59 and if they wanted to cut corners then they would have gone through the effort of making characters move so much you absolute moron. Panning shots with stills is how you cut corners. It's funny how episodes like this bring armchair animation critics out of their woodworks. What the fuck are you talking about? It's textbook cutting corners to just not animate anything for 10 seconds at a time. There were entire scenes that literally had nothing on screen but drawings that look like they were done by a 10 year old. You have to be mentally handicapped to not be able to see that. |
Alter96 said: Zei33 said: It's quite obvious who the mentally handicapped one here actually is. Because you're talking about the art retard.What the fuck are you talking about? It's textbook cutting corners to just not animate anything for 10 seconds at a time. There were entire scenes that literally had nothing on screen but drawings that look like they were done by a 10 year old. You have to be mentally handicapped to not be able to see that. If I put the witcher 3 in front of you, and said, "here play this, it's a great game, but it's only going to run at 5 fps and the camera is going to spaz out randomly." You'd be like, what in the fuck am I looking at here? Don't give anime a free pass for bullshit just because you're a fan boy. |
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Zei33 said: Alter96 said: It's quite obvious who the mentally handicapped one here actually is. Because you're talking about the art retard. If I put the witcher 3 in front of you, and said, "here play this, it's a great game, but it's only going to run at 5 fps and the camera is going to spaz out randomly." You'd be like, what in the fuck am I looking at here? Don't give anime a free pass for bullshit just because you're a fan boy. You literally have no idea what the word animation means because now you're criticizing the choreography. Animation is supposed to show the illusion of movement through sequence of drawings which is what this episode accomplished. Then there are multiple types of animation where some can be grounded and tries to have a realistic approach like what Boruto episode 65 did or go for expressionism, dynamic movement and exaggerated perspectives like this episode did. There's also the fact that this episode had brought a bunch of webgen animators from all around the world. Webgen animators don't go through normal training. Despite that they're treasured for their creativity and experimental animation and get noticed through the stuff they post on the Internet. For example the first half of the fight until the part where Ladros blows up the mountain was animated in a 3D software called Blender. That same animator experimented with the software before in episode 35 but not to the same extent as this episode. https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/50684 Recently he even used it in the last episode of SSSS.Gridman. https://www.sakugabooru.com/post/show/65850 Whether it's appealing or not is up for debate but you can't argue about the fact that it is well animated |
Z4KDec 30, 2018 8:49 AM
| When Asta said black meteorite, I said smash lol leave it to Asta his minde is so on sided track that a demon can't take over him this end is not good at all |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
howamI said: how does that disprove me??? it has everything i listed before, speedlines, cgi, and barely any background art. You don't know what speedline is. Speedline is what animators use to give the impression of speed to a static character art (ex: TG :re anime). This episode of BC had no such problem. The CGI and the background were one thing only and they chose to do that way because they wanted to try an experimental way of doing animation and that was making the background dynamic along with the characters (which is very hard to do). |
| I always give Black Clover and the production behind it a lot of shit, but I can certainly give them respect for this episode. It was very unique, ambitious, and creative, especially for Black Clover. Yes, it was obviously inconsistent at times, given how many animators they brought on board, but in no way does it constitute "bad animation". The comments here reminded me of the debates during the Pain and Naruto fight, Fate/Apo's final episodes, and others. Nothing compared to the comments on the Crunchyroll episode discussion, though, which destroyed my brain cells. They knew this was a big episode in the story, and they wanted to go all out. I'd say it was largely a success. |
Klips said: Looked like shit most the time and impossible to follow. To all the smartasses talking shit about the people for saying the animation was shit, you know damn well what they mean. Animation may have been good, but it was fucking disguting to look at. I don't know "animation," but yes it was disgusting to look at in 2018. The art was as distorted as Tetsuwan Birdy in 2009 |
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| People didn't like the new style of animation for the episode, but I personally LOVED it. It's a nice change of pace and I would rather watch this than fight scenes with stills and 2D projectiles |
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| This fight just seemed blown out of perportions. I just had no investment in this fight at all. Ladros didn’t seem like he should have been a major deal for Asta’s new form. This coupled with being unable to see what was going on screen for a good majority of the time didn’t help. If Ladros was suppose to be a really powerful character, this just makes furure fights when Asta has complete mastery of his new power underwhelming. |
| Just here to say that I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THIS ANIMATION!! |
 I've never seen animations like these before, it was kinda weird, but cool at the same time. Looking forward to seeing what other weird stuff they can come up with in the future. xD |
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| Damn, this was some glorious sakuga Animation right here! It got really ugly towards the end though with some distorted body figures especially Asta’s. Cliffhanger again, meanwhile. Queen of the Witches has finally made her move and what a timing for that! Looking forward to seeing how this arc concludes! |
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| Animation of the fight was so terrible I didn't even know what was happening. Also, how did he absorb so much magic that he became stronger than a spirit. No logic |
| Honestly the queen is such an amazing character, love her voice too. Enjoyed the fight a lot, some really epic moments there. |
| The Witch Queen actually removed the limits of the power output and so... Asta got his half-demon form! This form grants Asta increased physical strength in all areas, ability to fly, and literally a dark cloak of anti-magic that he can use to slash targets, similar to Yami's dark cloaked blade slash. This is a badass form! SHITTTT BOIIIII!!! This is the most destructive fight in Black Clover so far! Fire lasers that blow up hills and landscapes are the main causes. Animation-wise, the fight was fucking insane! So many motions though not at a constant frame rate, it was great! The visual quality of the fights is the downside though... Some parts just looked terrible which is understandable for fast-moving camera/object, but there's some moment with bad art during a static scene. But other than that, the fight was epic! Awesome OST and also just a fight with no bs attached! The Witch Queen's power is controlling blood, I now see some ways why she could live for hundreds of years. Aaaand... Boom! Asta became the Witch Queen's puppet, well this is interesting! |
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| The first half of the episode was pretty awesome. When the animation style changes up like that for a big climactic fight it's always gonna be crazy yet fun. That blood magic is literal nightmare fuel though. Asta was literally doing bloodcurdling screams as she took control of him... ;_; |
| Dark Asta huh. To think that the clover's last leaf actually housed a demon though. Still Asta's dark form sure is fast. In a way the anti magic sword was perfect for Asta as his lack of magic directly countered the swords hunger for mana. The fight though was pretty impressive both in terms of Asta's strength and in visual terms as well. The strength of friendships and bonds sure did well in overcoming Ladros's nature of using people quite fittingly as well. The witch queen's betrayal was to be expected but the spell that she used to do so sure was impressive. |
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| Easily the most outstanding episode of the series - I felt like I was watching a whole new show! I love this kind of dramatic action sequence, it reminds me of shows like Little Witch Academia, Mob Psycho 100, Ping Pong and Devilman: Crybaby, but I've never seen anything like it in a long running shounen anime like this. Some sections were a bit scruffy, and they could definitely have upped the frame rate in most of the action scene, but I'd really look forward to watching a show where I can expect this kind of dynamic cinematography, at least for the fight scenes. |
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| ok new we have Naruto and kuramas dev friendship, sure the devil grows to like him over time just like kurama did naruto after witch queen took controll over him i said asta its time to let the devil have full controll i bet then she looses controll over ur body |
| I just don't like the animation in this episode. I didn't have "goosebumps" watching this ep. :/ I skip some parts during their battle because it was really weird and I think it was messy. I didn't appreciate it at all. I am totally disappointed. In short, the producer of this anime is not good at "fighting" scenes // not good when there's a battle of characters lol EDIT: the last few minutes was a nice twist tho.. when the Queen arrived. |
Zel_EzlAug 16, 2019 8:08 AM
| shit animation, but ok |
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| The art took a hit, and it sometimes hard to follow. But other than that, awesome episode! Better than ep 49 |
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| The art was just children painting, but the animation was as smooth as silk! |
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| lol this reminds me of the naruto shippudden episode of Pain vs Naruto looney tunes style. first half animation was unbearable af, wtf was going on with the director and staff? did it changed? previous fights were great like Yami vs Licht and Asta vs Vetto. But the fight against Ladros was crazy, you couldn't appreciate that much the fight or their powers because of the "camera" movement. Even the fight against Fana looked badly animated. Second half was cool. The witch queen looks awesome, like what Noelle said, that the WQ had magical powers more terrifying that even the spirits. Plus that End of EVangelion "tribute" was dope. |
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