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Hitogashima's head priest-cum-Hishigata's first doctor (Karakiri Masahito) whom loves playing FF7, both Shinpei and Ushio are on high guard despite his kind demeanor to understand the Shadows' copying process, which in turn gave rise to the Hiruko-sama legend, the Shadow sickness and the fated July 24th summer festival where all Shadows would exterminate everyone on the island. And as much as he tries to vehemently deny all involvement, he is in fact Shide a.k.a Shidehiko Hishigata, Haine's first procreated Shadow and where the mystery all began, the first human-Shadow hybrid, which became the four-armed Guardian.

Gathering evidence against Karakiri isn't as easy as the others have thought, and throughout the 7 loops of infodumping information that everyone could get, the big puzzle slowly pieces together between the Karakiris and the Hishigatas. And the one to trigger the copying process...is indeed Shidehiko, the one whom fathomed and abused the process of rebirth by copying over and over for Haine to become the perfect Shadow whom never ages.

Indeed, he's the culprit that will live until he sees Mother's awakening, and Shinpei can't pull the trigger, leading to Ushio slashing his head in half. Like what Shide mentioned: "This is not my end", and they were severely taken for a ride, for the real Shide lies in hiding to cut them off then and there. Not even Nezu nor Hizuru/Ryuunosuke could stop this sudden insanity...and the last loop, ended in failure for Shinpei to be brought back to his 8th loop...MINUS Ushio.

What. A. Episode. A revelation of the utmost insanity.
Aug 12, 2022 8:51 AM

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HOLY SH*T, it went form 0 to 100 really fast, like WTF, how does this keeps getting better? I wasn't expecting Shide to die so easily anyways but damn man.

Seems like Ushio's gone now, so I wonder how Shinpei will act from now on. I think there is a possibility that Ushio will come back since she did the flashing thing and said "notice" to Shinpei.


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Worst episode of the show so far, in my eyes. Shinpei has enough experience looping to know how ridiculously dangerous Shide is, but decides to just chat with the guy about the origins of Shadows rather than just killing him (or at least attempting to) when he has the chance? Hell, he had the element of surprise at the start, cos it's not as if Shide knew that Shinpei had found out his identity. The events of this episode are not a series of decisions these characters would actually make in this situation, but ones that are made solely to provide exposition to the audience about the origins of the Shadows: no way in hell Hizuru and Nezu would agree to this braindead plan when there's such a clear chance to kill a highly dangerous enemy.

As for Ushio's "death", I feel absolutely nothing because it's Shinpei's fault for being so stupid and, more to the point, because she will very obviously be brought back with some cheap trick to turn the tides at some point in the next couple of episodes when things are at their darkest for Shinpei and co. They'll very obviously save her final death - when her Shadow dies for not being able to consume the original Ushio's data anymore - until the final episode for a tragic goodbye, unless they find some magic way to keep her alive indefinitely.

And the Shadows being aliens? Lame.
AtavisticAug 12, 2022 11:33 AM
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The faces in this episode lmao. So thats why Shide has four eyes... So theres like two of em and mb two shadows of him mixed together. Rip shadow Ushio... Wonder how they gonna win now.
Aug 12, 2022 12:02 PM
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
Ushio did not just say "sus" did she? Is this a garbage english "Translation" addition?

Ushio and the other inhabitants of the island speak a dialect that differs from "normal" japanese; subtitles try to transpose this peculiarity, using an equally (I suppose) distorted english.
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Atavistic said:
Worst episode of the show so far, in my eyes. Shinpei has enough experience looping to know how ridiculously dangerous Shide is, but decides to just chat with the guy about the origins of Shadows rather than just killing him (or at least attempting to) when he has the chance? Hell, he had the element of surprise at the start, cos it's not as if Shide knew that Shinpei had found out his identity. The events of this episode are not a series of decisions these characters would actually make in this situation, but ones that are made solely to provide exposition to the audience about the origins of the Shadows: no way in hell Hizuru and Nezu would agree to this braindead plan when there's such a clear chance to kill a highly dangerous enemy.

As for Ushio's "death", I feel absolutely nothing because it's Shinpei's fault for being so stupid and, more to the point, because she will very obviously be brought back with some cheap trick to turn the tides at some point in the next couple of episodes when things are at their darkest for Shinpei and co. They'll very obviously save her final death - when her Shadow dies for not being able to consume the original Ushio's data anymore - until the final episode for a tragic goodbye, unless they find some magic way to keep her alive indefinitely.

And the Shadows being aliens? Lame.


Shinpei clearly stated during the meeting with the team that "He was willing to risk one death in order to know why they killed shinpei's parents." Of course, sou's father already stated that they were killed since they dug too deep but i guess shinpei really wanted to know how deep and to confirm the reason truly why. Also, knowning that shide might already know the real motives of the shadows since he has been with them from the very start, all of the concerns and questions of Shinpei will be answered. I do agree with you though that Shinpei gravely made the worst decision as of not shooting shide immediately when they felt something wrong. However, we should already know that this is his way of handling things, "squeezing as much information as you can get in each loop". The only problem here is his "oversight or the illusion of him having the upperhand". During the meeting, we could feel as if shinpei had gotten used to dying which made him cocky, that he would just reset if things go wrong.

One other thing, in my opinion, i think the disclosure of the remaining hidden information in this episode wasn't forced. The conservation had a driving force which was to confirm Shinpei's thoughts. I also thought that the insert of the origin of the shadows was introduced well.

Attacking him with the element of suprise is still debatable though, them not knowing that shide had another clone would put them at a big disadvantage. It may even be worse as they could hypothesize that they have already killed shide so they might try to storm hiruko's lair immediately but in the end get ambushed just like in ep 12.
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Ushiooooooo😭😭😭😭😭😭
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The plot and stakes are top tier. The plot twist reveal was perfect.
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StregAnna77 said:
Kayle_x_Morgana said:
Ushio did not just say "sus" did she? Is this a garbage english "Translation" addition?

Ushio and the other inhabitants of the island speak a dialect that differs from "normal" japanese; subtitles try to transpose this peculiarity, using an equally (I suppose) distorted english.
what lmfao? What does that ahve to do with the use of "sus"? Are you out of the loop of what sus is from?
Aug 12, 2022 1:18 PM
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I don't think I've ever hated a character more than Shide in a long time.
Aug 12, 2022 1:20 PM
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I wasn't expecting that he fucked Haine for 300 years. Imagine impregnating your mom over and over. Seriously what's wrong with this guy.
Aug 12, 2022 2:28 PM

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ushio died.. so i guess no more shadow comrades
and we got some weird faces this episode
Aug 12, 2022 3:00 PM

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Raegal1 said:
I must say Shinpei really fucked up here. He has been through about 5 loops now and he has seen how ruthless this Shidei guy is,with his guns and hammer and your telling me you want to have a chat with this guy first instead of straight up offing him!! Madness!


That was factored into their calculations. Him with the gun and Ushio on standby allowed them to kill the first Shide before he could transform. No matter how careful of Shide they were, none of them could have predicted that there'd be another clone nearby, right after they had just killed the original. This is a new enemy ability that none of them were aware of, and it's none of their fault for not seeing it coming.
Aug 12, 2022 3:05 PM
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Germs_N_Spices said:
That was factored into their calculations. Him with the gun and Ushio on standby allowed them to kill the first Shide before he could transform. No matter how careful of Shide they were, none of them could have predicted that there'd be another clone nearby, right after they had just killed the original. This is a new enemy ability that none of them were aware of, and it's none of their fault for not seeing it coming.


This. They thought they had figured about the biggest mystery of the whole problem-- and they did. The problem is that there was no hint at all about the minor problem in the scheme of things-- two Shide's.

(I hate him so much now. I will never forgive him for what he did to best girl.)
Aug 12, 2022 3:26 PM

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woaaa so much went on this ep

i wonder how he'll try to get through the loop without ushio

Aug 12, 2022 3:32 PM
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What an insane episode. I keep thinking that there's nothing this show could do to surprise me more and then there it goes again with another insane reveal and plot development.

RIP Ushio. I am hoping she comes back in some way without it feeling too cheesy.

Kayle_x_Morgana said:
StregAnna77 said:

Ushio and the other inhabitants of the island speak a dialect that differs from "normal" japanese; subtitles try to transpose this peculiarity, using an equally (I suppose) distorted english.
what lmfao? What does that ahve to do with the use of "sus"? Are you out of the loop of what sus is from?


Sus is actually a real word and was correctly used here. It's just another way to say suspicious. It does feel a bit weird because of among us, but that's not what the subtitles are trying to reference.
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I really want to think what the people that were saying that Ushio is a plot device are thing now...🤣🤣
But serioulsy,poor Ushio and poor Shinpei... this final scene with him crying was heartbreaking.
Wait for see what happens next will be tough.🥲
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:
StregAnna77 said:

Ushio and the other inhabitants of the island speak a dialect that differs from "normal" japanese; subtitles try to transpose this peculiarity, using an equally (I suppose) distorted english.
what lmfao? What does that ahve to do with the use of "sus"? Are you out of the loop of what sus is from?


Well, "sus" is a slang abbreviation for "suspect", which also fits well with the context of the speech they were making. I don't know what "sus" means for you but maybe you could enlighten me, as many people often think that the same abbreviations are used everywhere in the world (which is not, since every area has its own slang). So, what is "sus" for in your opinion?
Aug 12, 2022 5:54 PM
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It was crazy, I enjoyed it
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Amazing cliffhanger at the end. Each episode has me on the edge of my seat.
Aug 12, 2022 6:07 PM
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sialan bgt eps ini ancrit
Aug 12, 2022 6:40 PM

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Everything was going a little to well for the last few episodes. Still hurts though to see.
Aug 12, 2022 8:56 PM
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Excuse me, can anyone explain why ushio dissapears after the loop? I'm not really a big brain person
Aug 12, 2022 9:25 PM
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Shriyansh99 said:
If he was beheaded, how come he came back?
Why wasn't his hand burnt?


Is it a spoiler?
Will it be revealed? Just tell me this, please don't spoil me


What happens if instead of Hiruko having one child...she has two!...or more. I would assume that both of them would similarly grow up as identical clones of their father and each other in every way besides memories. Then at the moment of their "father"'s death what would happen if Hiruko copied his new data into to both shadow/human sons? Would we have two psuedo-human copies of Shide now? This is basically my theory of what is happening since Ushio didn't feel the presence of a shadow, and if only one clone got his hand burnt the other would be A-Okay!
Aug 12, 2022 9:33 PM
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Excuse me, can anyone explain why ushio dissapears after the loop? I'm not really a big brain person


That I don't understand, every other shadow regardless of death respawns once the loop restarts. I assumed that the only reason that there weren't multiple shadow Ushios running around everytime he brought the looped future version back is because only a single physical manifestation of a shadow can exist, so her being brought back overrides the Ushio that existed in the previous timeline. But if that was right, then Shide would know that even tho he killed the future version of Ushio's shadow, when Shinpei looped her previous version would be there as she was before...that apparently didn't work out to be the case.
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Shriyansh99 said:
If he was beheaded, how come he came back?
Why wasn't his hand burnt?


Is it a spoiler?
Will it be revealed? Just tell me this, please don't spoil me


I'm guessing that the person that ushio and shin were speaking to was a mere copy
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God... The quality of this eps is top notch. I can compare this eps with AoT eps Two soldier. The emotion, the anger that i feel, the cliffhanger, wowww... Such a hidden gem anime.
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Rexnihilo said:
I wasn't expecting that he fucked Haine for 300 years. Imagine impregnating your mom over and over. Seriously what's wrong with this guy.


And his mom is loli forever
Aug 12, 2022 11:17 PM
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Rexnihilo said:
I wasn't expecting that he fucked Haine for 300 years. Imagine impregnating your mom over and over. Seriously what's wrong with this guy.


From his perspective she's not really his "mom" she just some alien body factory he met on a beach that keeps granting him immortality. Doubt Shide actually gives a damn about Hiruko/Haine outside of that. Dude was already infinitely scarier than Hiruko/Haine before this little reveal...now it's more like he's just using her and providing her room and board in order to stay alive. Meanwhile what are Haine's motives besides eating?
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Crazy episode with even crazier facial expressions.
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Holy shit the twists in this episode man and the deaths were brutal. And is she really dead 😢, she will not come back??
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Every single time, I think that it's just going to be a decent episode, only for them to have me going HOLY SH*T WHAT THE F*CK by the end. Every time


Ah same man. 10/10

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This was such a great episode. Shide and Shinpei made some really great facial expressions this episode. With his true identity revealed and his twisted method of immortality exposed, Shide is hard to like. But I think he's an excellent villain. Hopefully Ushio isnt really dead, that'd make fighting the two shides impossible!
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This episode is freaking exciting... we have some important and deep investigation happeneing between Shide and about some history and that final part of todays episode.. ohhh.... CANT WAIT FOR THE NEXT ONE
Aug 13, 2022 3:07 AM

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its not like i hate ushio but i hope she doesn't come back. but i know she will. it's about time we actually lose one of the main cast for good. at least make it feel like a real possibility that mc could fail.


Kayle_x_Morgana said:
StregAnna77 said:

Ushio and the other inhabitants of the island speak a dialect that differs from "normal" japanese; subtitles try to transpose this peculiarity, using an equally (I suppose) distorted english.
what lmfao? What does that ahve to do with the use of "sus"? Are you out of the loop of what sus is from?

i have to wonder what rock u were living under to have never heard the word "sus" before *that* happened. so weird to me that people hear "sus" and think it comes from only there. man if i had a buck for everytime my friends and i said sus before it became a meme.
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No! Ushio!

I want her to live!
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SatoHaruto said:
Rexnihilo said:
I wasn't expecting that he fucked Haine for 300 years. Imagine impregnating your mom over and over. Seriously what's wrong with this guy.


From his perspective she's not really his "mom" she just some alien body factory he met on a beach that keeps granting him immortality. Doubt Shide actually gives a damn about Hiruko/Haine outside of that. Dude was already infinitely scarier than Hiruko/Haine before this little reveal...now it's more like he's just using her and providing her room and board in order to stay alive. Meanwhile what are Haine's motives besides eating?


Haine wants to form a family to live with in the shadows world.

But yeah shide gives the impression that he doesn't give a shit about Haine. It's just his life insurance on legs.
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This a sad episode
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hendrisaputro65 said:
So.. No Ushio in this loop. How to bring back her??


Well, enough clues have already been given in series on how.
If you need a hint,
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What a twist with Shide! This anime doesn’t stop getting better and even more unpredictable somehow.
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ES CINE, C. I. N. E.
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schwinging said:
its not like i hate ushio but i hope she doesn't come back. but i know she will. it's about time we actually lose one of the main cast for good. at least make it feel like a real possibility that mc could fail.


Kayle_x_Morgana said:
what lmfao? What does that ahve to do with the use of "sus"? Are you out of the loop of what sus is from?

i have to wonder what rock u were living under to have never heard the word "sus" before *that* happened. so weird to me that people hear "sus" and think it comes from only there. man if i had a buck for everytime my friends and i said sus before it became a meme.

you would have 0$ I would bet.
No one said that before. I think this is like the second time I have heard anime say it. Got any other examples before among us?
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I'm kinda confused. So Hishigata Shidehiko fucked Haine for over 300 years. Have a "biological kid" and erase the memory and replace it with Shidehiko's memory, and the kid, which in theory is Shidehiko, gets older and then she fucked Haine over and over again for 300 years? LMAO What the fuck did i just watch. And Karakiri Masahiko is just another young "kid" of Haine so that they could fool Ushio and Shinpei? Did i recall that correctly? In theory, Dad and Mom fucked and have another kid, and the kid suddenly become Dad and Fucked his Mom again. Is this incest or i just get mind fucked?
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Kayle_x_Morgana said:

you would have 0$ I would bet.
No one said that before. I think this is like the second time I have heard anime say it. Got any other examples before among us?




you got me good mate. zero bucks.
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I'm kinda confused. So Hishigata Shidehiko fucked Haine for over 300 years. Have a "biological kid" and erase the memory and replace it with Shidehiko's memory, and the kid, which in theory is Shidehiko, gets older and then she fucked Haine over and over again for 300 years? LMAO What the fuck did i just watch. And Karakiri Masahiko is just another young "kid" of Haine so that they could fool Ushio and Shinpei? Did i recall that correctly? In theory, Dad and Mom fucked and have another kid, and the kid suddenly become Dad and Fucked his Mom again. Is this incest or i just get mind fucked?


Nah, you're right, it's definitely demonic level incest x)
But then again, Shide is as messed up in the head as his own mother x)
Aug 13, 2022 12:22 PM

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Nooo Ushio. Without her is like 90% of the plan wont succeed and makes it hard to fight

"Don't give up after failing just twice.
We'll be able to do it next time.
Failure is the stepping stone to success."

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Yumekua said:
I'm kinda confused. So Hishigata Shidehiko fucked Haine for over 300 years. Have a "biological kid" and erase the memory and replace it with Shidehiko's memory, and the kid, which in theory is Shidehiko, gets older and then she fucked Haine over and over again for 300 years? LMAO What the fuck did i just watch. And Karakiri Masahiko is just another young "kid" of Haine so that they could fool Ushio and Shinpei? Did i recall that correctly? In theory, Dad and Mom fucked and have another kid, and the kid suddenly become Dad and Fucked his Mom again. Is this incest or i just get mind fucked?


Nah, you're right, it's definitely demonic level incest x)
But then again, Shide is as messed up in the head as his own mother x)


Damn what the fuck, well since Shidehiko child which later the memory gets replaced by Shidehiko itself, does it count as incest? Plus it is probably confirmed that any of Shidehiko children will always be a son and also always will be the perfect copy of himself, right? Because if Shidehiko have a daughter how would he repeat the process, lmao. Also i'm still confused about Karakiri part, mind explaining it to me? Is it really true Karakiri is just another clone of Shidehiko?
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Well, looks like it wasn't their day. And we've probably lost Ushio for good.
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