Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen 3rd Season Episode 9 Discussion
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| I'm so sad this is over so soon!!! I can't wait for the next season already. I don't like Myne being swept away from her family though :( I'll miss them! |
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| Myne totally went SSj2 this eps. No deny those lightening crackles around here!! Love it!! |
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Zefyris said: Sark_Morgan said: Something being bothering me for a while, maybe it's a translation issue but isn't Ferdinand supposed to be the king or some high ass noble? I get it you don't want to be seen as a Tyrant or start a civil war or even a full war with another country but you can exert your authority or wishes without breaking your "disguise", I don't think things needed to escalated this much before he takes proper action. Also isn't her bodyguard a former member of what is basically the special forces for this nation? He isn't proficient with magic I get it, but he can't even subdue some faceless thug..? With that being said still love this show. I think you're confusing different works completely. Ferdinand is not the king nor anything close. Also, Damuel is a low ranked (he's a low rank noble so has low magic level) newbie knight of the Duchy of Erhenfest. What you've got as information is that he's currently part of the church (looked down by every noble out there pretty much as being failures as nobles) but contrary to other blue robes, he used to be part of the knights of Erhenfest and the knights respect him The guy he's facing is a high ranked noble for another, way bigger neighbour duchy. To add on to this, Ferdinand's interactions with Karstedt (the commander of Ehrenfest's knights and thus a very highly-ranked noble himself) make it clear that he's a high-ranking noble specifically in Ehrenfest. But Ehrenfest is not the country, it's one duchy in the country. Though both the dubbed and subbed versions seem to be infuriatingly unclear about these things compared to the novel for some extremely stupid reason. The novel isn't vague about this stuff because it's actually important. For example, in the dub at least, Shikikoza refers to Damuel as just a "lesser noble" instead of a "laynoble". The former is an ambiguous reference to a noble that implies they're lower-ranked than the speaker. The latter is explicitly a rank of noble, however. They also keep referring to Ehrenfest as "this domain" instead of "this duchy" which is a lot less clear about what kind of territory it is. The same with their leader inexplicably being referred to as "the lord" constantly instead of being explicitly stated to be the archduke or Aub, like in the novel. I don't know who they have in charge of the adaptation but they really seem to have no idea what they're doing at all. |
Alice3173 said: Zefyris said: I think you're confusing different works completely. Ferdinand is not the king nor anything close. Also, Damuel is a low ranked (he's a low rank noble so has low magic level) newbie knight of the Duchy of Erhenfest. What you've got as information is that he's currently part of the church (looked down by every noble out there pretty much as being failures as nobles) but contrary to other blue robes, he used to be part of the knights of Erhenfest and the knights respect him The guy he's facing is a high ranked noble for another, way bigger neighbour duchy. To add on to this, Ferdinand's interactions with Karstedt (the commander of Ehrenfest's knights and thus a very highly-ranked noble himself) make it clear that he's a high-ranking noble specifically in Ehrenfest. But Ehrenfest is not the country, it's one duchy in the country. Though both the dubbed and subbed versions seem to be infuriatingly unclear about these things compared to the novel for some extremely stupid reason. The novel isn't vague about this stuff because it's actually important. For example, in the dub at least, Shikikoza refers to Damuel as just a "lesser noble" instead of a "laynoble". The former is an ambiguous reference to a noble that implies they're lower-ranked than the speaker. The latter is explicitly a rank of noble, however. They also keep referring to Ehrenfest as "this domain" instead of "this duchy" which is a lot less clear about what kind of territory it is. The same with their leader inexplicably being referred to as "the lord" constantly instead of being explicitly stated to be the archduke or Aub, like in the novel. I don't know who they have in charge of the adaptation but they really seem to have no idea what they're doing at all. WoW, I'm going to have to rewatch the firsts interactions with Ferdinand and Main, because I was certain that he said he was a big deal to Main when he was fiddling in her memories and that he was there kinda secretive because the church needed him, I definitely misinterpreted or misremember something along the way. Also he kinda led the knight order against the Vine monster further cementing this idea in my mind. Nevertheless I'm here to watch Main bring the joy of books into this world. |
Maesaaj said: Everybody seems to love this episode but I find it unbelievably stupid ... Mayne going from murdering by staring to help me "I can't use magic for some reason" to murdering by staring to again not knowing how to use magic is beyond retarded ... I've quite enjoyed previous seasons even though not much happened in them but this season is beyond disappointing with this episode being the biggest joke of them all ... We were finally getting some action like in every last or 2nd to last episode in season and it was beyond pathetic ... Also did I miss anything or did 1 of the kidnappers get heart attacked by mayne and then got stabbed by knife by her father and then 2nd kidnapper shot at them from the ring which got blocked by the knight's shield and then the 2nd kidnapper disappear ? like they are talking for like 2 minutes there and he does nothing and doesn't interfere with them at all nor is shown again ... I know its overplayed at this point but I've recently seen Morbius and this episode was giving me same vibe like that god awful movie. The anime didn't communicate it as clearly as the novel did but Damuel stayed behind and fought the second kidnapper so Gunther could flee to the temple with Myne. As for the lack of magic, this is another thing that the novel communicates for more competently than the anime. With the exception of the Crushing, magic cannot be use without access to a feystone or magic tool to facilitate it. This is why Myne used the ring Damuel lifted off one of the kidnappers until she broke it when Gunther got injured and she tried to crush Bezewanst. Before Damuel gave her that ring she was unable to use any mana except for the Crushing and after she broke it, she was unable to use any magic other than the Crushing until Ferdinand gave her a ring and told her to shield everyone from his mana. If you aren't already reading it, I would recommend picking up the light novel. The first two seasons glossed over a fair bit but at least still adapted the novel decently. This third season has been a complete shit show though. They keep glossing over things that shouldn't be glossed over and failing to adequately explain things. At the rate they're going, I'm really dreading how they'll totally butcher Hasse next season or the one after that. |
| This episode is really intense and Main can control his mana. What a great episode! |
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Marinate1016 said: Holy shit man what an episode. Probably my fave Honzuki ep. Nonstop action and tension from beginning to end. High priest is so lucky Ferdinand got back before Myne could kill him. I’ve never seen her with such murderous intent. Been waiting for two seasons to see him get his ass beat The duel at the end reminded me a lot of Harry and Voldemort from deathly hollows pt 2. Insane episode, can’t wait for the finale next week and hopefully a s4 announcement isn’t far behind Jenni also needs her ass beat  I think Jenni gonna get exploded in the fight between Ferdinand and creepy nose guy |
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| A very intense episode, that was so dramatic, so much fighting and Main nearly mega angry . I expected Main to kill these assholes. The villains are so full of cringe. Was really cool how she overcharged the magical items. Unfortunately Main has to get punished just for holding her ground against them. High Priest is law, rest is crime. The law system is so bad in this world. At least Ferdinand acts lol I didn't expect a final confrontation against that noble and High Priest. Ferdinand at least thought about killing the high priest one day lol. Main's chanting was so cool as well. I don't think Sylvester is a bad guy, but in the end Main lost her freedom now. |
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| This episode was a letdown. Those action sequences felt so awkward and it completetly killed the tension for me. Not wanting to shit on the staff because I'm sure they work their asses off, but it's at times like this when the animation of this show gets exposed. It's a shame. |
| I love honzuki but man the fighting scenes were ugly. The action is not a strong point in this series, at least the direction and animation. Some parts the music didn't match the feeling it should give. But ok episode overall, lot of things finally reaching it's climax. |
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| A lot of things happened, Delia's ignorant prattling about the foreign noble's (I refuse to name him since he disgust me so) interest on Myne was annoying until that adoption for servitude actually smacked her on her face, Jenni's dead fish eyes of despair suddenly turned petty jealousy of Rosina and Wilma finding a better master than her and continuing with their old passions, the other old fat foreign noble will most definitely be curbed stomped by Ferdinand, and can we finally kill the old fat arse of the high priest, off with his head-kinda thing! So Syl wants to adopt Myne even then so she can squeak for him? LOL |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| h0ly shi....!!! another impressive episode!!! those 2 fatass should just go rot in hell!! 5/5. |
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penrhos said: Well that was badly paced / adapted. But still pretty good. I was looking forwards to the climax of this arc but with just one episode to go and the lackluster adaptation of this episode I'm quite disappointed. Anime-onlys may complain the fight scene is a bit lacking but as an LN reader a lot of the important nuances have been lost. they've left a lot of pages to adapt in the last episode and I'll be peticularily disappointed if they skip the shoes bit from the LN. One thing that could have been adapted better was Ferdinands switch when Myne showed him the pendant (which should have been swirling gold like when she activated the protection contract with her blood). as up to that point she, her family and attendants were all going to be executed. Yeah, it was really quite disappointing. In the novel, Ferdinand makes it clear that he's unable to protect her and it's clear that he's actually sad that he can't. His attitude immediately changes the moment Myne pulls out the pendant and explains to him that Sylvester gave it to her. Kinda does a real disservice to Ferdinand which is rather unnecessary due to his harsh personality already doing a good enough job at that for him. |
| Ferdinand was ready to throw hands :"D Feels like he was just waiting for a reason to happen. |
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| Best episode of the series! I never expected that type of action in Honzuki! Great conflict combined with the perfect amount of action, friction, tension... all the shins! They said Main was out of control, but she seemed in control to me. Part of me wishes she had killed the high priest. I hope Jenni and the male attendant don't get away with just a slap on the wrist. I guess Sylvester knew something like this would happen. That stone must be a contract and she sealed it with her blood. Sylvester must be a high ranking noble. |
| Oh damn. We thought it would be a tropey "teleport to her side to kick ass and save the day" kind of rescue, but that was a blood seal contract to save her diplomatically the moment she used it. That's one hell of a twist and perfectly in-line with the rules of the series. Incredible. |
| Wow, I almost don't recognise this show. But that was one awesome magic battle. But I was not expecting that twist. I thought Sylvester would come and save her. He did, but not in that direct way I was expecting. I wonder what's going to happen now. |
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RainyShadow said: wait wait…. This makes me think, does Ferdinand have some hidden agenda? I get he’s probably a good guy and later down the road, he’ll do more good things (and he probably really was busy and actually showed up only when he could), but to me he should have showed up a minute earlier! Right when Myne was about to have her blood imprinted. He did say that having the high priest die would cause him problems…Ferdinand should have arrived a minute later, pfff |
Alice3173 said: I think they are trying to be in keeping with his portrayal and words thus far. He did mention something about not displaying his emotions so easily so that might explain their choice. Though I realize now after reading your comments that the gravity of the situation was lost on me. If Ferdinand used the words “execution” rather than “charged” and he was visibly saddened, I would have definitely felt that adoption was the only option penrhos said: Well that was badly paced / adapted. But still pretty good. I was looking forwards to the climax of this arc but with just one episode to go and the lackluster adaptation of this episode I'm quite disappointed. Anime-onlys may complain the fight scene is a bit lacking but as an LN reader a lot of the important nuances have been lost. they've left a lot of pages to adapt in the last episode and I'll be peticularily disappointed if they skip the shoes bit from the LN. One thing that could have been adapted better was Ferdinands switch when Myne showed him the pendant (which should have been swirling gold like when she activated the protection contract with her blood). as up to that point she, her family and attendants were all going to be executed. Yeah, it was really quite disappointing. In the novel, Ferdinand makes it clear that he's unable to protect her and it's clear that he's actually sad that he can't. His attitude immediately changes the moment Myne pulls out the pendant and explains to him that Sylvester gave it to her. Kinda does a real disservice to Ferdinand which is rather unnecessary due to his harsh personality already doing a good enough job at that for him. |
irondark30Jun 18, 2022 11:50 PM
irondark30 said: Alice3173 said: I think they are trying to be in keeping with his portrayal and words thus far. He did mention something about not displaying his emotions so easily so that might explain their choice. Though I realize now after reading your comments that the gravity of the situation was lost on me. If Ferdinand used the words “execution” rather than “charged” and he was visibly saddened, I would have definitely felt that adoption was the only option Yeah, it was really quite disappointing. In the novel, Ferdinand makes it clear that he's unable to protect her and it's clear that he's actually sad that he can't. His attitude immediately changes the moment Myne pulls out the pendant and explains to him that Sylvester gave it to her. Kinda does a real disservice to Ferdinand which is rather unnecessary due to his harsh personality already doing a good enough job at that for him. The entire point of that scene was intended to communicate that he was genuinely sad about how things turned out and that it was severe enough for even him to express it. Though a part of it was just that Myne has spent enough time around him that she's starting to get a decent grasp on reading him. In the future she's one of the people who can best read Ferdinand, to the point where I'd probably put her on about the same level as Karstedt who definitely has a good handle on Ferdinand. (The best example of which is actually missing in the anime. In the novel, when Ferdinand gives the memory-reading magic tool to Karstedt to take to Sylvester, we get that scene from Karstedt's point of view so we hear his thoughts on the matter.) |
Alice3173 said: man sorry I have no recollection of that scene. I’m guessing it was around the beginning of this season?irondark30 said: I think they are trying to be in keeping with his portrayal and words thus far. He did mention something about not displaying his emotions so easily so that might explain their choice. Though I realize now after reading your comments that the gravity of the situation was lost on me. If Ferdinand used the words “execution” rather than “charged” and he was visibly saddened, I would have definitely felt that adoption was the only option The entire point of that scene was intended to communicate that he was genuinely sad about how things turned out and that it was severe enough for even him to express it. Though a part of it was just that Myne has spent enough time around him that she's starting to get a decent grasp on reading him. In the future she's one of the people who can best read Ferdinand, to the point where I'd probably put her on about the same level as Karstedt who definitely has a good handle on Ferdinand. (The best example of which is actually missing in the anime. In the novel, when Ferdinand gives the memory-reading magic tool to Karstedt to take to Sylvester, we get that scene from Karstedt's point of view so we hear his thoughts on the matter.) |
irondark30 said: Alice3173 said: man sorry I have no recollection of that scene. I’m guessing it was around the beginning of this season?The entire point of that scene was intended to communicate that he was genuinely sad about how things turned out and that it was severe enough for even him to express it. Though a part of it was just that Myne has spent enough time around him that she's starting to get a decent grasp on reading him. In the future she's one of the people who can best read Ferdinand, to the point where I'd probably put her on about the same level as Karstedt who definitely has a good handle on Ferdinand. (The best example of which is actually missing in the anime. In the novel, when Ferdinand gives the memory-reading magic tool to Karstedt to take to Sylvester, we get that scene from Karstedt's point of view so we hear his thoughts on the matter.) The Karstedt scene? That was in the last episode of season 2, if I recall correctly. So definitely awhile ago. |
| I'm not sure, how changing your family status can help in this situation.. Well, maybe as Myne used her blood before the fight, maybe she's technically becoming part of another family the moment she uses her blood?.. Something like that.. Either way, nobility doing whatever they want with lower class.. And getting away with it.. Well, this world is shit at times, really, yeah.. Kind of a shame.. I'm not too sure, if they even deserve the books in the first place.. This world.. But Myne isn't making books for these scums in particular.. Just that world happens to be shit in some stuff as well.. |
HagePotPotato said: what a garbage episode. it was like watching one of those shitty old batman and robin episodes from the 60s. *pow* and *kablam* combined with god awful acting and writing this season is an awful caricature of what this show used to be. i am so glad there's only one more episode. i have absolutely zero desire to watch another season if a new one ever happens downgrading this season to a 5/10. it's so disappointing. how anyone can rate it an 8/10+ is beyond me If you enjoyed the series before now but think season 3 sucked (which I agree with personally) then I would recommend picking up the light novel. Unlike the anime, it only gets better over time. |
| OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!! That horrible priest and his scum buddy got lucky Ferdinand arrived before Mayne could deal some sweet and well-deserved revenge by killing them. |
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| Another episode of Myne having her freedom removed. It's nice she's allowed to protect her family but I would've preferred if she could move towards her color and book making some more. Trying to force her into a submission contract is just awful. |
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| She was lucky, but it isn´t end!!! |
| i don't think the church is necessarily bad. this is actually more well done than in most shows in that it portrays the church as any other aspect of society, especially where power is involved: you have some good and some bad. just like the royalty. the head priest is THE MAN and i'd love to be friends with him if he were real. i hope her adoption goes well and i bet ferdinand will make sure of it. i wonder if he will become high priest now? |
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| The whole conflict felt kinda jank ngl. Sorta felt like Myne never really learned the dangers of nobles after her very first encounter when her family went to meet with the high priest. Once again she get's out of an absurd situation scot-free because she can conveniently agree to be that other dudes adopted daughter? So ok he must be an important noble meaning the power dynamic is now reversed since they'd be fucking with an important nobles daughter, but like all she has to do is be like yuh I'll be his daughter and that's it? Uhhh shouldn't there be something more official than that? Obviously just putting her blood on the necklace didn't make it official because Ferdinand said it won't protect you unless you are his daughter. Yeah kinda jank resolution tbh. Imma blame the anime direction and skipping stuff over the LN writing tho. |
| What's with all the characters lol Ok Delia is a child and also didn't even know the situation. She gets a pass. The other attendants seem to have something wrong with them in general. Bowl cut is indifferent to like everything and two girl ones that serve the high priest are messed up probably due to serving him. Ferdinand was like just in his closet room unaware. Also OTTO. Why is he just gunking around not doing anything. |
Forum said: I have not liked this season much… I'm feeling the same way. I got pretty excited when they touched a little on the potential impacts on the printing press on the world, but then it quickly went back into magic battles territory, which isn't really my thing ._. |
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