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Can relate to the "There is little in-between" haha

That's a very interesting job you have there, any partucular adventures you've had working for national education?

Hey :3 sorry for really late reply

How you doing?


LMAO same here xD


Are you sure you're not my long lost twin?

My "homework" involved sitting infront of the TV with Cartoon Network running while my textbook remained open on the same page for the next 6 hours, also being dyslexic studying, aka reading, was off the table, i remember one time in middle school the night before a test i went up to my uncle, science textbook in one hand dinner in the other, at like 10pm and was like "read me chapter x" desperation written all over my face, he started reading reluctently, i remember it was about the dygestive system, and i remember nothing but one line that went "to properly digest your food you need to chew it x times before swallowing", and right as he was reading that line i was gulping down spaghetti whole without chewing once xD


That is very interesting from a psychological point of view actually

Have def been on the "don't tell me you never noticed" end quite often


^^ read above lol

Well i can be the first then xD i have no sense of direction whatsoever, i got lost in my dad's home town which can literally be described as a straight line with houses and shops on either side, and once with my sister, we met up in london and were going to go to the cinema together, took i don't know how many wrong turns, and when we finally arrived at destination, we realized the cinema was next door to where we'd met up

Iteresting what you said about character traits being the hyper esxtreams in shounen characters, and i can see that, it's rare to find some middle ground, especially if we're talking main characters, where's of course in reality there'll be the hyper of each end and everything inbetween

Hey :3 sorry for late reply, things got a bit hectic irl and i missed your comment


Captain Tsubasa?? Violent??? And i thought my mom was insane

Dragon Ball was what was banned in my household for being stipid and violent, i had to watch it with the volume at 1 and my ear glued to the TV while i had one eye pointing to the door or risk feeling the wrath of my mom catching me watch something "violent" and go on a 3 hour rant about it

Yet, my mom decided it was a brilliant idea to explain suicide to me in graphich detail when such a scene appeared in Versailles no Bara, i was 4, that is the anime that traumatized me and i couldn't stomach re-watching it untill i was in my 20s, not Dragon Ball, not Fullmetal Alchemist, fucking Rose Of Versailles


Curious, is this something that happened for you in the series, or do you think they start breaking away from their archtypes in the movies?

Personally i didn't get the feeling that they weren't stuck in their archtypes with the series, but i'd be curious to see how the charactres develope after that


Personally i feel this sense of "there is much more to the character than that" regardless of demographic, and that includes shounen, but of course personal taste plays a part in how one feels/connects to the characters too


There's some parts i agree with but others i don't

I'll start with what i agree with:
Yes humans don't react on a binary, human behaviour is a lot more complex than that. On character depth i'll say semi-true, as i think that lies in a combination of the every day and the past that made us who we are

The disagreements on the other hand:
While yes archetypes can be exagerated in media, they are also based on reality, human behaviour is like i said a lot more complex than reacting on a binary, but it is also a lot more predictable than what meets the eye, if one knows what to look out for, though i am speaking from the point of view of someone who's a lil obsessed with human psychology. The second thing is on the colorful vs bland personalities/nature, again i'm more in the middle on this, though i lean more towards everyone has their unique traits that gives their personality some color, but i won't deny that with the shire amount of people in the world there'll also be those who are more bland

That is very true, and even on the rare occasions they do go into darker territory, they don't tend to go into as much depth as anime, You see the character's behaviour might be off, but you don't see much if anything at all beyond a verbal explanation of why they are the way they are, it's very much left entirely up to the audience to connect the dots of things like "oh yeah, the way the parents treated this characters is effecting how they go about the world now", i'd say early Winx Club is a good example of this, and even with it's themes being so much subtler than anime, the english dub still managed to butcher it, it also lost quite a bit of those elements after Nickelodeon beought the rights to it

It really baffles me the mentality of "Kids can't handle anything serious/dark/multi-layered", it's like what are they trying to protect kids from? Feeling emotion? The craziest thing is, feeling those emotions is what's gonna help kid mature emotionally as they grow up, i think many adults can't tell the difference between feeling things like sadness, anger, disappointment, things that are considered negative emotions from literally being traumatized, there's no other explanation for why someone would want to completely shelter kids from such feelings, it's reflected in the media targeted to kids, and it's reflected in modern parenting styles


100% agree on this, and very much currently being proven true by gen-alpha lol


While it is true that different archtypes are used to compensate eachother, i don't think it's something exclusive to shounen

I see the same archtypes in things like Madoka Magica, Madoka (the timid one), Homura (the dark brooding one) Sayaka (the extrovert one), Kyoko (the traumatized one), Mami (the maternal one), what changes from demographic to demographic is the execution, the writing style, and from series to series how soaked into their archtypes the characters are or if the archtypes are used just as a guideline

I do get what you mean with the typical shounen comedy scenes, the first that comes to mind is the dynamic beyween Todoroki and Bakugo in MHA being the low tension/hyperactive (or in this case hotheaded) duo


OMG definitely 100%! And the thing of translators thinking they are better writers than the OG creators is so true, i swear sometimes i just think they have a big problem of hirering narcissist to do the work. I think i can guess what you mean with the "cool murical lines" lol. Probably the worst english subs i've ever seen are netflix ones, they are unwatcheable, it's completely invented bullshit that has nothing to do with what the characters are saying, though i will admit, i did have one positive experience with eng sub on netflix, it was with the J-Drama Be Nice To People, had no choice as only english sub was available, went into it with dread, and then i played the first ep, and it was surprisingly a really good translation, as accurate as it could be, and even with barely any locolization, they were actually translating japanese sayings and metaphors as literally as possible, even if they sound a bit funny in english, but it gets the point across, then reached the end of the ep and Netflix credits the translator... the translator was japanese xD


Same! I had no choice but to pick up the language, i'm dyslexic and if i had to rely soley on reading subs it would take me 2 hours to get thru a 20min episode


Yeah i get what you mean

While i do still enjoy quite a bit of modern shounen as they still share a lot of similarities with my childhood favorites, i just can't get into modern isekai, that is something where the way tropes and archetypes are executed is just too alien to me

Ah no worries xD


So the execution is not really your thing, that's fair

What themes do you think are avoided in western production?


This is definitely true, shounen does have it's tropes, it's signature humor and storytelling style, themes that are popular within the demographic, and it is understandable that if such style is not your thing it can be harder to get into shows from that demographic/genre, and like you said, that does not make such shows trash

I do however think that having their own distinct tropes and styles is true of every demographic and more specifically even every genre within each demographic that most shows in said categories will follow in some form

I'm curious what you mean with the role of the supporting characters as i haven't really thought about this aspect


I have to disagree on the clones thing though, like i said before, each demographic has it's signature tropes and styles, and of course they won't appeal to everyone, but i do think there can be variety even within the popular formulas

And disagree on the "There is nothing more formulaïc and shallow than a japanese shonen", i don't expect people who aren't into shounen to see the depth it can have, but i also don't think it's fair to call the whole demographic shallow when it is clearely not your cup of tea

That would be like me calling all josei shallow just because the style doesn't click with me and i've yet to find one i can connect to the characters, but that is obviously untrue about an entire demographic


This is very true, and it's something i love about the japanese language

Of course english can't accurately capture those neuances in translation being so vastly different from japanese, heck english and italian are much closer in similarity and still there are italian words that don't have a direct english translation and vice-versa

I will say though, the thing i loath most about english dubs (and subs to an extent) isn't that the language itself can't accurately traslate japanese, but that most times the translators will go out of their way to be even more inaccurate than the language already is completely destroying the remainders of the vibe

The top example i can think of is Digimon Frontier, as i've watched it in japanese, english, and italian

One scene in particular that they really dulled the emotional impact by changing the script beyond recognition is during the battle between Koji and Karatenmon. In the original japanese version Karatenmon tries to use how Koji's trust issues and fear of loss keep him from creating lasting bonds as a way to break him in battle, and there's also a level of self-awareness on Koji's part of like "why are you telling me something i already know", the english dub completely butchers this scene by making it about some dumb test of streangth of "you think not getting help make you strong but it makes you weak" which has absolutely nothing to do with his background and his future character developement, all because what? Because "oh having trauma in an anime is too dark for kids, we have to make it lighter" seriously WTF?? Italian can't accurately catch every japanese neuance eaither, but the dubs at the very least will try their best to accurately portray the emotions behind it

Anyways, that is my lil Digimon rant, i am very greatful i did not grow up with the english dub, this was (and still is) my favorite anime of all time, and was also very relatable to lil 5yo me who was in a similar family situation to Koji

It's definitely a big plus to know multiple languages

That's fair, i know the formulatic nature of most shounen can bore some people, though personally i've always found that most have a lot more depth to them than what's given credit for, but it's understandable that to be able to see that, first and formost one must be able to enjoy that storytelling style

Any other sainen you've been enjoying lately?

Un peux 😅

Had to study it in middle school, though tbh... i didn't really learn much in those 3 years, ended up passing the final exam by binge watching Code Lyoko the night before xD

Picked it back up a lil cuz i got into the hobby of selling stuff on Vinted and france is one of the places we can buy/sell from italy

What type of anime do you usually like? Any specific reason you feel like you can't watch shounen anymore?

That's understandable

Personally i didn't get the feeling of things looking too light, but that's just my perspective

Oh no, they 100% also used motion capture of real professional figure skaters to base the animated performances on, if i had to guess for the 2D elements it's likely a mix of tracing over the motion capture footage and adding some subtle details for closeups

Btw, was taking a look at your anime list, seeing Whistle described as "Meilleure série de foot vue" can't help but melt my heart a lil :3

That's fair

Personally if having certain cuts and camera angles that you wouldn't typically see in a live performance would better capture the expressiveness of it in animated format i prefere that over trying to fully animate the performance, but like you said, it's also a question of personal taste

I'm glad you're enjoying medalist so much that you feel that eccitement waiting for s2 :)

And if you ever try Yuri lemme know your thoughts on it, i have a bit of an unconventional review of that too haha

Hi :3

Sorry but i will not be taking your recomendation for 2 reasons

1) I think reviews are subjective and therefor none can completely reflect what a series is objectively, but rather each review reflects the reviewer's experience with said anime, i also don't think there is anything misleading when reviews specify how much of the anime has been watched, i wouldn't expect to gage the vibe of a whole season reading a review from someone who dropped it at 3 or 4 eps

2) I would never ask someone to delete a negative review of an anime i've rated highly no matter how much i disagree with their takes or think there's inaccuracies/misinterpretations because i think everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion, and i respect that, the same way i expect my own to be respected

As for the other points you mentioned

Yes i have heard that the issues between Iori and her mom get resolved in ep. 4, and i might watch that ep. later down the line out of curiousuty to see how the series hadles it, though no promises that it will change my mind, but the reason i didn't like the portrayel of their relationship in the first 3 eps isn't because it seemed phony, it is in fact very realistic, i can speak from personal experience too, what bothered me was that it felt like the main focus was to create drama rather than critiquing the mom's behaviour

The next point is the CGI, which i can understand budget plays a part, that said, having seen lot's of anime from different studios with varying budgets, i don't think it's impossible to make a series look great on a tighter budget

To give an example, Kill la Kill had a similar budget per episode to Medalist, yet it managed to make it's fast moving battles look fluid with it's direction and effects and all without compromising the expressiveness of the characters

And if you want a skating example, Yuri!!! On Ice does an incredible job with such scenes seamlessly blending it's 3D and 2D elements to achieve both smooth and expressive choreographies. I didn't use this as the main example as the budget is quite a bit higher than Medalist, but to say, it's not insane to not soley rely on CGI for complex movements in animation

Anyways, if you have any other questions or points or want to talk about other anime feel free :) i enjoy hearing different points of view

Regards <3

Ooh, vous en avez loupé, des choses ! (Quand même plus ancien que moi au final).

Idem: je perds trop de temps déjà sur le cinéma, et j'ai toujours préféré laisser les choses décanter plutôt que suivre les "saisons" de diffusion japonaises comme la génération "simulcast" prête à tout pour parler du dernier truc.

("Bonne bourre"?)

(Je remarque votre commentaire, parmi d'autres, après plus d'un an... ^^")

Oui, "génération Dorothée". Mais l'émission était bien entamée quand j'ai débuté (la télé, les anime, tout) à 3-4 ans. (Je suppose que vous êtes du début du Club, voire de RécréA2.)

After reading on Season 3, the more I realized how much I would had hated it. So I dodged a bullet, because if I forced myself to watch the Movies to then see what was waiting for me in Season 3, I'd probably lose it.

Anyways, I've never been a person who watched anime because it was anime. I've always watched a lot of shows, it's just that over the years Western Shows has seen a major decline in quality and anime has been pumping out like hot cakes, so the chances that one sticks the landing once in awhile is quite high.

Appreciate the civilized discussion on this topic. It's quite difficult to have people be reasonable now adays especially when you may not see things completely 1 to 1.

Unfortunately I am at the point in my "anime watching career", that I will not be willing to watch anything that I don't enjoy anymore. There will be outliers where certain series has an adaptation and I am curious how they would handle it i.e Solo Leveling.

I do like the drama genre, but it has to resonate with me. I went through a post that I made on a different forum about Season 2. I deleted the original so I only have my replies to gather my thoughts. From what I gathered and now starting to remember. I had a really difficult time accepting Yuuko as a character. She was an extremely annoying character who had a very generous reception into the group without any proper redemption arc. You can say that it's realistic in a sense that people might not always rehash old problems and let bygones be bygones, and they don't necessarily have to be great friends (from what I vaguely remember she actually becomes quite friendly with them PMA...).

What I liked about Season 1 was that it felt genuine, meaning there were aspects that wasn't integral to the plot but they still showcased it and animated it with the same love as the climax. Being the stand-ins who made baked goods and did their little fun performances which was very nice and allowed them to shine in a natural way without feeling forced. Although it may not be a 10/10 show for me, just having that showed me that the person who wrote/animated this actually cared and added it to the runtime. Those were the aspects I enjoyed in Hibike but instead in Season 2 we got over dramatized high school girl stuff and I was extremely put off by it because it felt like a massive shift in tone. Kumiko also was downgraded to essentially a lense for the audience to conveniently see the progression of the drama unfold, with what I thought had an unnecessarily large amount