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bastek66 said: cristinacke28 said: nice to see Carmine back, thou i heard from s1 he was going to live damn, low budget or crappy deadlines?  Show is trash but there is nothing wrong with your screencap look again, he has 2 mouths on his face |
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| With each episode that passes, this anime gets better and better! To my surprise Carmine is still alive and I'm really curious about it and I want them to explain it better. My question is if Souma really only slept with Liscia and Aisha or if he also did other things (͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡ °) |
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Lewahoy said: Not 100% on this, but i don't think he's partaken in a "night battle" with them yet.With each episode that passes, this anime gets better and better! To my surprise Carmine is still alive and I'm really curious about it and I want them to explain it better. My question is if Souma really only slept with Liscia and Aisha or if he also did other things (͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡ °) |
TatsuyaFeb 10, 2022 4:02 PM
Tatsuya said: Lewahoy said: Not 100% on this, but i don't think he's partaken in a "night battle" with then yet.With each episode that passes, this anime gets better and better! To my surprise Carmine is still alive and I'm really curious about it and I want them to explain it better. My question is if Souma really only slept with Liscia and Aisha or if he also did other things (͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡ °) Correct. They have not done the deed, yet. |
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| Alright, so after the post-credit scene showed some nasty figure in a shadow, Souma used his command to end their lifes with the faked trial regarding the ex air force commander Castor and his daughter, Carla after the previous event far before. The court was obviously rigged by the king and its sure served to lure them all saying wrong things. I can't help but say, it must be sucks being those 12 nobles, didn't know what hits their back that fast and bloody xd. Glad that there's still a lucky pair one among them that used their realist mind to comes up with the same wavelength as King Souma. As a result, their head proved to be safe from Souma Machiavelli punishment. I won't talk much about how heavy influenced Machiavelli through author's, i mean, Souma head. But, as the story keep goin on, that's how Souma applied most of his political realism, i think. So instead to nitpick such a nihilistic points out of that i, even have not experience of it, lets just call it a break already, and let the kingdom talking simulator continue. Because looks like my girl kinda finally make a move after long time in hide. Lets see.... |
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| The trial ended up being brutal and unexpected. Those 12 nobles didn't know what hit them. At least Carmine is alive. I wonder what moves Roroa will make. |
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| Seems like Carmine wasn't killed but MC gave him a new life, also seems like Carla will get that second life treatment as well judging how MC made it so dramatic to sentence her by herself. I was surprised at this especially since he quoted the gruesome nature of Machiavelli's principles. Seems like this is where the show picks up?? Also blatant waifu teasing at the end |
| Well, that escalated quickly. Its a good thing the two queens are there to support him. |
| Well that's the first we've seen Souma being this aggressive, and sure that took all out of him. But good thing though, he now has two laps to rest his head on. |
Kimurah said: BLERGH. This episode felt like it was written by a 12 year old in order to impress his 12 year old peers with so much edge. From the patronizing long explanations on Machiavelli's books to the whole 3 ring circus act this judgement on Vargas family was. How the fuck is he going to explain to the people that mysterious hooded men barged into their court and killed 10 of their highest nobles in the country. Sure, Souma probably had some BS evidence that they were corrupt and the puppetmasters behind the treason of Carmine & vargas, but executing them without due process makes his court lack any significance to any of his underlings, it makes him a hypocrite that doesn't believe in a justice system. The fact that he asks Carla to become his executor if he gets drunk on power and becomes a tyrant furthermore serves as cheap lampshading on the cringe edgy bloodbath this show tries to become. I more or less agree that this show isn't as deep as it seems, but you are also coming at this from a political angle that is very 20th century democracy biased. Executing criminals without due process would indeed reduce the legitimacy of any ruler nowadays, but the protagonist is situated in an era where it is perfectly normal for a king to execute someone simply because they dislike him. Regardless of how horrendous his actions are to a democratic sensibility, by the context of his world he will come across as exceptionally fair and impartial. Especially since the majority of the people will judge a king not on who he executes, but on how the country itself is faring, which is quite well in this case. Pulling out Machiavelli honestly just makes sense here. It's the sort of world Machiavelli was in when he wrote, and his insights do apply to such a world. |
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| Well, that was unexpected. And at the same time, it shouldn't have been. The problem I have with the scene where he kills the 10 people isn't that he doesn't have the right, that he's a tyrant, or whatever (altough I do agree with those opinions). No, the problem I do have with it is the situation, the setup. This episode, I see 2 people who disagree with the king, and 10 who agree. Then, he kills the 10 who agree. Why? For absolutely unrelated reasons. Why start the trial, when he could have just killed the 10 people right as they sat down. So that the 2 'innocents' need to prove they're good people by... disregarding the law, and putting personal feelings first? Again, I have no problems with the logic behind the killings, but the way it was made, seems like he killed them because they were set on following the rules (which is normally the way to go when you're in front of the person who can manipulate them). Plus, as another guy here said, the way he treated the father dragon is no better than killing him. If you can understand the point I'm trying to make, then THANKS. I swear, it makes sense if you think about it. |
| The show constantly suckling off of Machiavelli's teats is getting old. It'd probably be more interesting to see if Souma thought of other historical figures and compared their philosophies before making a decision. Not that I'd recognize other figures cos this isn't a subject I'm into. Treason is a serious crime. It's not something that can be rehabilitated. You can't just let traitors off the hook easily. This can encourage other people to potentially be a traitor in the future. The only way they can get forgiveness is through harsh punishment. |
phantomfandom said: By today's standard, Carla would have the right to kill Souma now because he's already a tyranny, the one that doesn't even realized he has fallen into this category. i don't think you quite understand what power and responsibility is. It's thinking like this that gets 1000s times more people killed. |
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| i already predict some reactions from some ppl, this doesn't matter hes still tyrant, Read some modern history about actual tryants BlaBlaBla :D phantomfandom said: @Arylon @Kimurah @MugenNoShirayukiBy today's standard, Carla would have the right to kill Souma now because he's already a tyranny, the one that doesn't even realized he has fallen into this category. that's how it was done in middle ages even by good rulers who are realists and not idealists u don't know the meaning of tyrant, tyrant is more like that prince and hes father who oppressed their ppl while Souma offers freedom to hes ppl, being strict and harsh with aristocrats ppl in power is not a tyrant, corruption has to be rooted out and sometimes in ferry harsh way, in middle ages u had to make example out of quilty aristocrats so in future new aristocrats would be less likely to be corrupt and/or traitors he didn't deal with hes opposition but traitors who worked with hostile forces/kingdoms and that's treason even in modern day is death sentence or if its country that has banned death sentence life in prison, also it was court and he the king is the judge so it was all according to their laws tyrants are almost like this traitors only think of filling their own pockets with money, dementing high taxes and oppressing their own ppl not counting corrupt nobles, tyrants don't care about their ppl and he does also future episodes show u more how wrong calling him tyrant take is By today's standard, Carla would have the right to arrest him cause modern laws don't allow ruler to go this far unless its dictatorship country @StateofOhayo @Nieznajomy43 some are 2idealist or 2young to understand how things worked in middle ages and some want to bash it just cause its harem they look for reasons RavenWolf1 said: There is reason why things were done more brutally in past. There were no modern police with CCTV, fingerprint analysis or educated detectives etc. Basically societies were hold up together by fear of leaders and fear of law. Sometimes innocents were killed in name of law & order. We in modern age have hard time to understand this but that time it is best what civilization could do to keep things running. At that time it was justified just like in Ancient Roman times slaves were justified by basically everyone. Moral back then reflected times and needs of society. That what isekais stories where modern people end up in some fantasy medieval world don't get. They think that they can change world and educate world with modern morals. That is not how world really works. For example there was time when Roman Republic tried to reduce using slave so to reduce unemployment but just ended in disaster. Rome was too big and too dependable for slaves and it was build to function with slaves. Basically nobody wanted to end slavery because basically those Ancient kingdoms/empires wouldn't exists without slavery. Also basically moral attitude toward using slave was not seen as wrong thing to do. What I'm trying to say if you want to rule a medieval kingdom then you have play by medieval playbook or you end up dead ruler. One just can't import modern values to world like that. It is impossible no matter what you think. That is what people here don't seem to get. Most here think with modern values & morals you can't use them in world like that. People like to read fantasy where hero is some goody shoe and never do dark things but reality of ruleship is that one has to do awful things to rule country like that correctly. That is why this story is slated "Realistic Hero". ANTI-MAL-ELITIST said: trampler8324 said: But he is true almost on every thing he said. Since the beginning this show was laughable literally on every story arc it had. And while I obviously can not judge intellectual level of the author (may be it was intentional), I can definitely say that anyone who thinks there is even a slight point of intelligent plot line are probably not very clever people. This is indeed may sound arrogant but that's the plain truth. Since the very start Genjitsu Shugi Yuusha had logic of a 12-year old and this ep is no different. Not only it had strange Machiavelli explanations like we are not clever enough to understand obvious parallels, other scenes were either ridiculously edgy or cringy af. Oh, and don't forget these retarded harem tropes. But of course it doesn't mean no one should enjoy this series. I personally like this part a bit more than the first. Problems start when "Realist Hero" tries to sound serious or clever but in fact he is just a brat who not entirely stupid only because around him almost everyone is brain dead. Most if not all of his ideas either average or simply obvious/logical but the show portrays them like it's a god's wisdom. Well, it's not like there is a lot of logic in this series anyway, so who cares. Nope he is not right by any account. You people need to realize this is a fantasy world where kings and queens rule not some modern day democracy where general public has say in the ruling of nation. if he appears weak do you really think the nobility would respect him and he does need their respect as to make the kingdom grow. Abraham Lincoln is regraded as one of the best politicians in history yet he declared civil war when some states wanted to dissent. History is full of these type of examples so NO this episode was not edgy or anything but a fantastic one GerHelfen said: To be honest, the death sentence is the punishment for Treason in Japan, so according to the social standards that Souma has, the execution of those nobles is justified, plus he already has the evidence that he found in the library of Amedonia (that's why the books were taken from them in the first place) and he just want to complete it with the one in the posession of the Noble wich to be honest it is more likely almost none (why would they keep such thing?) It is true that he is applying the law as he sees fit and based on bias (which is not how the law should be applied but ok) but we had to remember that this is a medieval setting, he is the power legislative, judicial and executive good point +1 RavenWolf1 said: There is reason why things were done more brutally in past. There were no modern police with CCTV, fingerprint analysis or educated detectives etc. Basically societies were hold up together by fear of leaders and fear of law. Sometimes innocents were killed in name of law & order. We in modern age have hard time to understand this but that time it is best what civilization could do to keep things running. At that time it was justified just like in Ancient Roman times slaves were justified by basically everyone. Moral back then reflected times and needs of society. That what isekais stories where modern people end up in some fantasy medieval world don't get. They think that they can change world and educate world with modern morals. That is not how world really works. For example there was time when Roman Republic tried to reduce using slave so to reduce unemployment but just ended in disaster. Rome was too big and too dependable for slaves and it was build to function with slaves. Basically nobody wanted to end slavery because basically those Ancient kingdoms/empires wouldn't exists without slavery. Also basically moral attitude toward using slave was not seen as wrong thing to do. What I'm trying to say if you want to rule a medieval kingdom then you have play by medieval playbook or you end up dead ruler. One just can't import modern values to world like that. It is impossible no matter what you think. That is what people here don't seem to get. Most here think with modern values & morals you can't use them in world like that. People like to read fantasy where hero is some goody shoe and never do dark things but reality of ruleship is that one has to do awful things to rule country like that correctly. That is why this story is slated "Realistic Hero". some ppl 2idelistic to get it MugenNoShirayuki said: Nieznajomy43 said: Nah, tyrant doesn't care about evidence, law, etc. only about their own reign/power, Souma wouldn't kill those people if he didn't found evidences. I didn't see any due process here. cause he already had enough evidence and he ordered the black cat squad basically go and searched their homes fo more evidence to find out if rest of their families were involved, he just said it shorter way KANLen09 said: In today's world, Souma would've been as tyrannical, but back in those days, rules like these are unwritten taboo. Liscia and Aisha tried their best to smoothen Souma over this incidient by making an ecchi moment out of it, though he'd see it the wrong way. not tyrannical but going 2far, as long as he or she is good with hes ppl common folk just strict and harsh with ppl in power also not hostile towards other nations he or she is not seen tyrannical just some1 who goes 2far or maybe borderline tyrannical at worst Marinate1016 said: Jesus, seeing soma go from not wanting to step on anyones toes to cutting entire groups of nobles heads off is some crazy development. Obviously he has to project strength in the aftermath of rebellion, but wasn’t expecting that. this really got me of guard as well i was like lol WTF chen52808 said: lol Vargas got trolled by Souma. Also slave Carla sounds like doujin material. Also if that white Tiger is indeed Carmi... then we the viewers got trolled by Souma lol. well sources says Deceased (Presumably) so he mite be alive |
Sugram22Jan 25, 2023 12:32 PM
| Hearing 'tyrant' Souma order half of the room to be killed without due process caught me offguard (ironic considering the trial going on). Kinda wish he wasn't preaching the Machiavelli book so much as it becomes obnoxious. |
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Reapermask said: Hearing 'tyrant' Souma order half of the room to be killed without due process caught me offguard (ironic considering the trial going on). Kinda wish he wasn't preaching the Machiavelli book so much as it becomes obnoxious. tyrant is not some1 who is strict or harsh with traitors, tyrants are almost like this traitors only think of filling their own pockets with money, dementing high taxes and oppressing their own ppl not counting corrupt nobles, tyrants don't care about their ppl and he does ppl should first learn the meaning of the word tyrant before throwing it around |
Sugram22Jun 5, 2022 11:36 AM
Sugram22 said: tyrant is not some1 who is strict or harsh with traitors, tyrants are almost like this traitors only think of filling their own pockets with money, dementing high taxes and oppressing their own ppl not counting corrupt nobles, tyrants don't care about their ppl and he does ppl should first learn the meaning of the word tyrant before throwing it around I was trying to joke (hence tyrant was put between quotes) as in the episode Souma followed what the Machiavelli book said about necessary ruthless against traitors and such. Even though Souma definitely (at least in this point of time) is not a tyrant with how much he helps the kingdom, his decision to order multiple people's deaths without giving them a fair proper trial was definitely a tyrant's act as he did so by abusing his power as king. |
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Reapermask said: Sugram22 said: tyrant is not some1 who is strict or harsh with traitors, tyrants are almost like this traitors only think of filling their own pockets with money, dementing high taxes and oppressing their own ppl not counting corrupt nobles, tyrants don't care about their ppl and he does ppl should first learn the meaning of the word tyrant before throwing it around I was trying to joke (hence tyrant was put between quotes) as in the episode Souma followed what the Machiavelli book said about necessary ruthless against traitors and such. Even though Souma definitely (at least in this point of time) is not a tyrant with how much he helps the kingdom, his decision to order multiple people's deaths without giving them a fair proper trial was definitely a tyrant's act as he did so by abusing his power as king. sins no1 said anything seems its not abuse of power, otherwise some1 would have commented it, seems it was still done by the book, i mean their book meaning this kingdoms, and we don't know what evidence they gathered off screen before the slaughter |
| Dang, this was a heavy episode. You can really start to see the burden of ruling weighing on Kazuya. Having to be ruthless is not an easy thing to do. But now that hes done it. I fear this is a beginning of a spiral which Kazuya wont recover. Executing people the first time is hard, but it gets easier and easier and before you know it you could be a full on dictator. |
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| Eradicating double agents and bearing the weight of it. Seems heavy for someone who has just been summoned recently. Oh my, the two future wives are trying to serve him. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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| Be cordial in the bed, hm.. I see.. Yeah, Souma.. Just share some things with the girls.. They want to walk this path with you, after all.. ;P So Roroa.. What is your plan.. |
| Wise choice killing those snakes. He should not regret his decision. It's better to weed out the roots that will cause you trouble later on. It's tough on him now, but it will be less harder on him as time goes on. |
| Solid episode. Enjoying it. |
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| Machiavelli did say it's better for a leader to be feared than loved but only if he can't be both. Why do they keep omitting that last part? I was looking forward to this part too cause Souma keeps quoting Machiavelli. |
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| I actually really dislike Castor. His mindset is retarded. "Once you have decided on something, its impossible to go back on it." No you fool, thats what you call admitting a mistake and using available information at the time! For that alone he is worthless as a commander and a liability at best. Soo after already killing the openly traitorous nobles MC now killed almost all of the remaining ones? Would have been nice if atleast some of the non traitors would support the law, this just looks once again very lame and convenient. Its weird how he made a big deal out of killing the leader of the rebellion and aversion to taking lives only to kill another dozen so easily. If MC defends his virginity any harder, the prime minister will probably take matters into his own hands. |
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