What's wrong with putting pronouns in bio?

traed said:
It only really makes sense for someone trans to do to avoid repetitively being asked so much. Anyone else is just following a dumb trend. Either way people shouldn't care so much about pronouns. I dont think gendered pronouns should even exist to put an end to this stupidity.

cipheron said:


Then we're basically in agreement. clout chasers are largely responsible for being upset that people have pronouns, also opposite side clout chasers upset about people not having them.

My other main point was about *who* they target, because some people are more immune to that than others. For example nobody was attacking Tucker Carlson for not having the pronouns, they attack a female minor celebrity. So it makes sense they pick targets where they can either drive a wedge or score an easy win.

Desolated said:
Why are pronouns gendered to begin with?

Why is for some language, even objects are gendered (Latin languages like Italian, Spanish, and French)??? German has this as well for some reason...

As someone whose main language don't have gendered pronouns at all, this confuses me.

Desolated said:

I'm just trying to refute his seemingly implications of bodybuilder always being a male.

Desolated said:
But with this, technically every form of teaching is "brainwashing". Including religion, history, even mathematics.

Frostwork said:
"Any/all" o_0 ? Seriously? And here I thought "they" is the latest phase of degradation. Whelp, trends are changing fast these days. What's next, I wonder? "None"? What a fucked up generation.

Desolated said:
But with this, technically every form of teaching is "brainwashing". Including religion, history, even mathematics.

_Maneki-Neko_ said:

That's an extra reason to do it. Ngl, it's really funny to trigger a bunch of whiny right wingers with such little things.


Can I ask you what your native language is? Sounds interesting and I'm curious now.


On a more serious note: The thing is, people really identify with their sex and gender. Cis people as much as trans or nonbinary people.
I got sometimes mistaken online for a man and it's ... no, it's not "triggering" me, but it's still uncomfortable.

Meusnier said:

If poetry, literature, justice, liberty, equality, friendship, mathematics, physics, chemistry, politics are feminine nouns in French or Spanish (I have not checked for Italian or Latin but I am almost sure that they are of the same gender), that does not necessarily give to these concepts or fields "feminine" meanings (the allegory of justice might be an exception though). That a rose is feminine should not be surprising, but there are no good reasons why the sword should also be feminine...

Asking for a why seems unreasonable, and the gender of words is probably even more "surprising" in German; you will have issues finding good rational reasons behind the gender of words. In Japanese, although words do not have a gender, kanji can be called "strong" and would generally not be used for a female name. You do not need of those pronouns for such ideas of dualities to emerge. Eventually, since languages change, the gender of words can change too and the initial relationship with those complementary oppositions may be lost. For example, "mal" (evil) is masculine in French as it should be (violence), but "maladie" (sickness) is feminine, and this is clearly a corruption of the now slightly archaic word "mal" that also means "sickness." Likewise, war ("la guerre") is feminine, which also does not seem obvious considering that throughout history (especially in the regions those languages were formed), most wars were fought and started by men.


This is clearly not what @Kayle_x_Morgana meant, you should stop fighting against strawmen. He meant that a stereotypical male (like a bodybuilder) would not have to use pronouns not to be mistaken for a woman. And the woman that you showed could not be confused for a man too.


I had not seen this part... Mathematics teaches you how to think, I fail to see how this is brainwashing. The only thing that might appear as some kind of religious preach are some higher level concepts (like topoi that are supposed to solve many important problems "without any creative efforts," hum...), not the middle school planar geometry and say, the calculus and basic mathematics the engineer or average citizen should know (statistics, probability theory, etc). And from a trivial viewpoint, not teaching someone mathematics would make them unable to understand many essential knowledge they cruelly need to survive in our societies. Only the proponents of historical negationism think that teaching history is brainwashing.

sewerslider said:
me and d*solated will probably disagree on this but just because something is a social construct doesn't make it any less real or valid. money is a social construct as well but that doesn't mean that it's "merely virtual" or whatever.

i do agree that we should expand what's socially acceptable for men and women to behave like (regardless of the norm,) but that isn't really relevant to trans people literally want to be perceived as the opposite gender of what they were assigned at birth (because there's a mismatch between the body they were born with and their internal sense of their gender.) like, a trans man doesn't want to be perceived as a woman that presents themselves in a (stereotypically) really masculine way, they literally want to be perceived as a man.

Quinoa_44 said:

I-is this really your counter-argument?.....

Those are things that a much bigger part of society, if not all of all of humanity, agree on.
Religion is only taught in schools if the country is mostly Christian, Muslim or whatever. And if you're an immigrant those classes are optional. In some countries in most schools they don't even have religious studies at all.
Otherwise it's parents teaching it to their children, which I don't see anything wrong with.

However, what we are talking about, which is transgenderism, being gender-neutral ect. is something many people disagree on. And yet it is being taught in a very biased way to kids against their parents' wills. Kids won't even be able to comprehend this shit, if anything it will just confuse them
The stuff you mentioned aren't even comparable, I don't even know why I'm replying to this....perhaps you're trolling after all

Desolated said:
Why are pronouns gendered to begin with?

Why is for some language, even objects are gendered (Latin languages like Italian, Spanish, and French)??? German has this as well for some reason...

As someone whose main language don't have gendered pronouns at all, this confuses me.

Desolated said:
I never said that teaching, or "brainwashing" people is bad and unnecessary.

It's just that it gives people a certain idea, that it can be used to reject other ideas. For instance, 2+2=4 in mathematics, therefore you'll reject the idea that 2+2=7. The same can be said with teaching history. Let's just say when you teach that "The Communists tried to coup in 1965, but failed", it negates the idea of "The CIA backed the presidential coup in 1965 and blamed it to the communists", which is exactly what the historical propaganda in our country during Siharto's regime work.

brainwashing
noun [U]
the process of making someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing any other information from reaching them:

- Many people thought the sect was guilty of brainwashing.
- This is corporate brainwashing on a massive scale.

Meusnier said:

? Perhaps you do not know well about the meaning of words, but brainwashing is always "bad."


What you want is to create citizens able to think by themselves, not sheep who worship Athenians democracies like the CCP regime. The ideal of education is to give basic tools to children to allow them to self-study and grow by themselves, not assert like my communist history teachers (pleonasm) that the world needs of more people like them.

Please, spare me your 1984ism from your Conspiracy Theorist Toolkit for Children Above 8... Good example, then you agree that historical negationism is a reality, and that by consequence, truth exists and can be taught in historical classes, at least up to some good degree of precision.

P.S. Where is the option "I don't know" in the poll?

Desolated said:

But protesting the government is allowed in China:
https://www.quora.com/Are-protests-allowed-in-China

Truths do exists, but people's interpretations of it are something subjective. For instance, "Khrushchev sent tanks to Hungary in 1956." is something true and factual. But if an anarchist saying "Khrushchev sending tanks to Hungary is very authoritarian and bad!", That'd be subjective thing. The same with if I said "Khrushchev is a bad leader but sending in the tanks to Hungary was something very great. Those fascists deserves to be crushed to smithereens!" These are also, something that can be taught in history class.

So by your logic, the information given in the process of "brainwashing" is always false?

Meusnier said:

This "but" has no object, and arbitrary detentions are still a thing.

Not "truths," but "truth." You do not have to be an anarchist to blame bloody repressions or the various political regimes of USSR (as Gide and Céline were already doing in the 1930s...). Ah yes, the "fascists," the only word that applies to the opponents of so-called communism, the thread of this grotesque puppet is way too obvious to have a chance to work today. The massacre of the populace aimed at perpetuating an authoritarian regime is only subjectively "bad," what was I thinking? You should stop calling yourself a communist at this point.

If something is true, you do not have to hide the sources that apparently contradict it, but include them in the discussion; brainwashing only makes sense to spread falsehood. This is why the idea of brainwashing people about the Moon Landing is somewhat contradictory.

_Maneki-Neko_ said:

Ah okay, interesting to hear that some languages work like that.

It's not only that, it's just the assumption that I'm a guy. Of course it's not that wild, but a bit uncomfortable, or it feels wrong and something I can't relate to, nonetheless. It's hard to describe..?

Desolated said:
Again, it's because we still treat man and woman, whether it be cis or trans, very differently. There'd be no point of it once we treat man and woman in society, whether it be cis or trans the same. We haven't reach that point yet.

Ultimately, man and woman are also just a label anyways. If we have abolished gender, we don't need of such labels. For the point of telling trans woman that they're man well, what do you think the implications of saying it, in a world where people still expect even a cis man and a cis woman to behave in some certain set of gender roles? Isn't that subtly trying to coerce these people to adhere to the said gender roles, in which, is exactly what these people don't want to? The very reason they want to be called a woman?

sewerslider said:
me and d*solated will probably disagree on this but just because something is a social construct doesn't make it any less real or valid. money is a social construct as well but that doesn't mean that it's "merely virtual" or whatever.

i do agree that we should expand what's socially acceptable for men and women to behave like (regardless of the norm,) but that isn't really relevant to trans people literally want to be perceived as the opposite gender of what they were assigned at birth (because there's a mismatch between the body they were born with and their internal sense of their gender.) like, a trans man doesn't want to be perceived as a woman that presents themselves in a (stereotypically) really masculine way, they literally want to be perceived as a man.

Bunille said:
If we're talking about Twitter, it's normally because they're easily offended.

TheBlockernator said:
They tend to be snowflakes or super sensitve and offended by things.

Like wanting to ban people from drinking milk because it's white.

literally_boba said:
While I honestly could care less about putting pronouns in bio, people don't like it because it often associates with the stupid ass far leftists or toxic liberals. Deadass serious some of those people tried to link white privilege with damn crayons. Ik, stupid, right? Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to cancel elephants because they are the symbol for Republicans.

e5812 said:
wouldn't it be backwords if it was like that? i feel like the reason is mostly that they feel attacked by it regardless of who does it, if it was what you said they would benefit from peopleputting pronouns in their bio from their point of view

Desolated said:

But in order to free those people from fascist regime, a military aggression is a good thing. Is the hero who slay the dark lord who terrorizes people in your JRPGs bad?

Ah yes, "authoritarian regime", a buzzword loved so much by liberals. You know what else is "authoritarian"? Increasing corporate taxes for the rich, and violation to the NAP!

Jokes aside, the people in the USSR enjoyed decent human rights
https://ia800300.us.archive.org/6/items/HumanRightsInTheSovietUnion/Human%20Rights%20in%20the%20Soviet%20Union.pdf
https://archive.org/details/HumanRightsInSovietSociety

Parenti's lecture on USSR "authoritarianism" myth:


So yeah, the USSR is not authoritarian at all. In fact, they're trying to liberate Hungarian people from its fascist rebels by sending in those tanks.

These, in conjunction to our discussion, was the factual sources that contradict the mainstream information about USSR, hidden by the anti-communist propagandists. In short, the capitalists is trying to brainwash the people by spreading falsehood about USSR, China, North Korea, Cuba, etc.

So yeah, the USSR is not authoritarian at all. In fact, they're trying to liberate Hungarian people from its fascist rebels by sending in those tanks.

Laika_Moonlight said:
Literally the only reason people put them in their profile most of the time is to let people know what pronouns they want to be referred to with. Nothing more, nothing less. Sure, there is a noticeable amount of "SJWs" with pronouns in their bio, just as their is a vocal minority of cisgender people who discriminate

DON'T lump me in with the SJW crowd, just because I have gender pronouns in my bio. They're there because, as an NB, my preferred pronouns aren't immediately obvious to a lot of people. That's all. I'm entirely apolitical, so quit lumping everyone with pronouns in their bio with the so-called "social justice warriors"

Meusnier said:

Sorry, I cannot take you seriously at this point. First, a popular uprising has nothing to do with a fascist regime, and secondly, your comparison with cartoon villains was laughable. The world is not that binary, Desolated!

"Ah yes," can you avoid parroting what I say? I am not a liberal by the way. Again, you are fighting against ghosts, when I used the word "authoritarian," it was obviously a litotes. Comparing USSR to a country like France with high taxes is ludicrous.


Nice attempt at humouring me. Those were not "fascists," please stop clinging on that word.

Yes, of course, those countries have all achieved real communism and the evil capitalists invented all their crimes with the help of the CIA.

RobertBobert said:
Because the people who pay a lot of attention to this are usually flamboyant SJWs. This is why "people with pronouns" has become a metaphor for the SJW.

Finmeister said:

I remember seeing that video posted on Leftypol all the time lol. On a side note, Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds is one of the few works of leftist theory I have read in full. My attention span is ass so I have trouble reading books.

Kayle_x_Morgana said:
Because the freaks with pronouns in bio always have shit opinions and are stupid. They are the same people who were now put in charge of wow and are removing everything sexual.

Whenever something on twitter happens the pronoun freaks always are the ones whining about sexist racism etc bullshit.


And the worst part for me is when the avatar they have is of a person with a giant beard and his username is John.

Thanks for putting he/him, I literally would have never guessed by taking a glance at your name and pic