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| Fuuka alternate hairstyle is beautiful! thankfully, her mom is a reasonable person. now they have one month to try and save the aquarium. brightened up the day. |
| I don't know why, but Fuuka's mom simply complimenting Fuuka's red boots hit me hard. It was such a nice simple moment. Kukuru and Kai pushing Fuuka to run away was hilarious, it was a really dumb idea, but in a good way since they're adorable dorks lmao. She definitely should have just talked to her mom from the start, but it all worked out in the end. On the bright side though, we got twin tail Fuuka. That's a top tier mom right there, I love how she was calm throughout the episode. Felt sad for her though, she just wanted to spend time with her daughter since she rarely gets to spend time with her due to her pursuing her dreams. Well, that's a normal part of being a parent, letting your children pursue what they want to pursue. Really great episode! Looking forward to the next one. |
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NoahC123 said: [...] Not only that, Fuuka is also one of the show's biggest issues, and this episode proved she's not exactly all that likable, much less sympathetic as the show thinks she is. She gives up her spot in a cutthroat industry because of somebody's sob story, when she's already on the verge of being fired ANYWAY. Rather than accept and cut her losses, she runs off in a last ditch effort to "find herself" without telling anybody, free loads off a random girl and her family that already has problems of her own, and accepting whatever job Kururu was gonna give her WITHOUT asking what the job is or what she'll be doing. AND to add insult to injury, she wastes everybody's time all because she wants to run from her problems. Compare her to Yoshino from Sakura Quest, and the issues with Fuuka are apparant. For such a serious topic on not wanting to go home, like another user said, they were childish about it. And distracting mom with beer and food?! Unbelievabe....you can convince me to overlook Fuuka not responding to Mom's calls or texts, but lying to her? I see a problem in what we expect from Fuuka and Kukuru: Fuuka and Kukuru doesn't have the typical anime behaviour. The complete cast ist acting fairly rational for anime standards. No one is book dumb, acting unpredictable or something like this. We have no ditz in the cast. But in anime land, if the main character is no ditz, we expect to behave them mostly perfect. If a spesific action is right, we specifially expect the main character to do this as long as there is no specific character trait which says otherwise... We don't expect them to act irrational like teens. But exactly this happens here. It seems to be easier to run away from the problems than to face them. This is in fact Fuukas main problem. And for a teen of age 17, she acts quite typical. She is no ditz and not the perfect reasonable main character. She is surprisingly realistic with all her teen manners. And the exact thin is for Kukuru, even if in another way. She fails in may ways to lead people as she must do, when she runs the aquarium. But she fails in a way, which is typical for someone with not much life experience. She is clearly short of self-reflection. She sees, if something is not right but is not able to see her own part in the problems. What she does is right in her own opinion. She is not fully able to see the world through the eyes of other. Do not take it wrong: She is able to take responsibilities and she does, but social abilities are not fully developed. And this behavior fits perfect for teens of her age. But in both cases, we don't expect these behaviours for reasonable main charcters in anime. If you dislike them becaufe of this, you dislike them because they surprisingly realistic behavior. This doesn't mean, that this all perfect realistic shown. we are still under hte reign of king dramaturgy. But we shouldn't blame them for manners which absence in most animes are unrealistic. |
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Tigerle said: NoahC123 said: [...] Not only that, Fuuka is also one of the show's biggest issues, and this episode proved she's not exactly all that likable, much less sympathetic as the show thinks she is. She gives up her spot in a cutthroat industry because of somebody's sob story, when she's already on the verge of being fired ANYWAY. Rather than accept and cut her losses, she runs off in a last ditch effort to "find herself" without telling anybody, free loads off a random girl and her family that already has problems of her own, and accepting whatever job Kururu was gonna give her WITHOUT asking what the job is or what she'll be doing. AND to add insult to injury, she wastes everybody's time all because she wants to run from her problems. Compare her to Yoshino from Sakura Quest, and the issues with Fuuka are apparant. For such a serious topic on not wanting to go home, like another user said, they were childish about it. And distracting mom with beer and food?! Unbelievabe....you can convince me to overlook Fuuka not responding to Mom's calls or texts, but lying to her? I see a problem in what we expect from Fuuka and Kukuru: Fuuka and Kukuru doesn't have the typical anime behaviour. The complete cast ist acting fairly rational for anime standards. No one is book dumb, acting unpredictable or something like this. We have no ditz in the cast. But in anime land, if the main character is no ditz, we expect to behave them mostly perfect. If a spesific action is right, we specifially expect the main character to do this as long as there is no specific character trait which says otherwise... We don't expect them to act irrational like teens. But exactly this happens here. It seems to be easier to run away from the problems than to face them. This is in fact Fuukas main problem. And for a teen of age 17, she acts quite typical. She is no ditz and not the perfect reasonable main character. She is surprisingly realistic with all her teen manners. And the exact thin is for Kukuru, even if in another way. She fails in may ways to lead people as she must do, when she runs the aquarium. But she fails in a way, which is typical for someone with not much life experience. She is clearly short of self-reflection. She sees, if something is not right but is not able to see her own part in the problems. What she does is right in her own opinion. She is not fully able to see the world through the eyes of other. Do not take it wrong: She is able to take responsibilities and she does, but social abilities are not fully developed. And this behavior fits perfect for teens of her age. But in both cases, we don't expect these behaviours for reasonable main charcters in anime. If you dislike them becaufe of this, you dislike them because they surprisingly realistic behavior. This doesn't mean, that this all perfect realistic shown. we are still under hte reign of king dramaturgy. But we shouldn't blame them for manners which absence in most animes are unrealistic. I don’t know which of you is right and who is wrong, but what you describe is called "reality is unrealistic" trope, when the plot or actions of the character seem unrealistic due to the correspondence to real life, and not to the expectations from the genre cliches. For example, Horimiya seems unrealistic to many due to the fact that the main couple started dating pretty quickly, which is close to real life, but far from the cliches of romantic anime. |
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RobertBobert said: [...]I don’t know which of you is right and who is wrong, but what you describe is called "reality is unrealistic" trope, when the plot or actions of the character seem unrealistic due to the correspondence to real life, and not to the expectations from the genre cliches. For example, Horimiya seems unrealistic to many due to the fact that the main couple started dating pretty quickly, which is close to real life, but far from the cliches of romantic anime. I am kind of embarassed that I didn't see it by myself :D |
TigerleAug 6, 2021 6:35 AM
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| When Fuuka's mother showed up i instantly got Higehiro vibes from it but it seems that i was wrong. |
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| I want drink that sake too. Fuuka always cute from first episode. |
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| Good grief, this was colossally stupid. If Fuuka didn't want to go to home, why did she stay in contact with her mother and TELL HER WHERE SHE WAS so she could easily come and find her and bring her home? What was Fuuka expecting her mother to do with that information? Wish her well and leave her be? She's young, yes, but she surely can't be that naive? The whole sequence of Fuuka running away a second time and everyone just going along with those impulses and distracting the mother to allow the escape was so dumb. Also, so much for the "special connection" Kukuru was talking about last episode, given how casually she said what she thought was a permanent goodbye to Fuuka. By comparison, I have no qualms with Fuuka returning because of the premonition of that fish's death (as this show has set up clear supernatural elements, and it's undoubtedly connected to the kijimuna that Fuuka and Kukuru keep leaving offerings to). It's also nice that the mother is supportive when they eventually talk it out, but it's not too surprising given how early into the show this plotline has come up. Besides, we're firmly back on track for my expectations of the overarching narrative, namely that Fuuka is only staying until the end of the summer and will leave when the aquarium presumably ends up closing (despite everyone's best efforts to stop that from happening). After a strong opening two episodes, I'm starting to feel like something's missing from this show and it's not quite resonating with me in any of the ways I'd hoped or expected. |
Tigerle said: RobertBobert said: [...]I don’t know which of you is right and who is wrong, but what you describe is called "reality is unrealistic" trope, when the plot or actions of the character seem unrealistic due to the correspondence to real life, and not to the expectations from the genre cliches. For example, Horimiya seems unrealistic to many due to the fact that the main couple started dating pretty quickly, which is close to real life, but far from the cliches of romantic anime. I am kind of embarassed that I didn't see it by myself :D I only found out about this myself a couple of years ago when I was studying people's reactions to Tsuki ga Kirei and ReZero. |
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| At first, i'm not quite sure about Fuuka's mother. She's giving me a bad feels as soon as she arrived. But, at the end, its just her honest worries over her daughter problem, especially what has been done before. Kukuru suggested such a hilarious plan to prevent Fuuka's mother taking over her kinda be a great beginning scene. Idk why she got that idea to solved the problem, its just a temporary, girl. Fuuka also so fickle at that time, letting herself flow with the whole situations, and plan. Its almost back to zero again when she ran away far from the home from the first time, and obvious from her mother too. Glad that at the end, everything went well, she recovered the good choice, still its also expected for me. After all, the decision to not dragging this mother issue quite nice, even though the whole pace feels an obvious slow vibe, its fine. Not to mention how to handle that fish death information also quite educative. Slow pace episode as always, but its also giving me a chill pill. Okay, then, next! |
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RobertBobert said: dzmetal said: Sweet episode. Good to see that her mom is supportive. What sealed it for me was the conversation about how she was hoping she'd be home after being on her own in the business for a while; shows really the love she has for her daughter I think. Little bit more advancement too with the development between Kukuru and Fuuka. Are we actually getting something or is it bait? Let's see... This is either ship tease, or the development of their friendship. Stop seeing bait in any intimacy between characters. Oh no not you again. It's a fckin Yuri Bait. They need more viewers thats why they baiting just like Clickbait on Youtube. |
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Cubefield93 said: RobertBobert said: This is either ship tease, or the development of their friendship. Stop seeing bait in any intimacy between characters. Oh no not you again. It's a fckin Yuri Bait. They need more viewers thats why they baiting just like Clickbait on Youtube. If a moment looks like yuri-ish to you, it doesn't make it yuri bait yet. By implying that any non-overtly romantic or sexual character scene is bait, you are simply devaluing any character interaction. If they are really destined to become a couple, then this is a pretty classic ship tease. And if we are already talking about the attention of shippers, then it is not at all necessary to have a cheap yuri bait to attract their attention. The fact that this show is about the deep friendship of two female leads is enough. |
RobertBobertAug 6, 2021 7:43 AM
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| It was an OK episode. I see what they were trying to do, with the episode focusing on mother/daughter relationship. However, I wish the overall story was more interesting or I wish this episode added more clarity on the overall story. Fuuka is still just an idol dropout and we still don't have much clarity about Kukuru's past. Until these 2 characters get more interesting, I can't get too excited about these episodes. |
| Well good episode...Fuuka could finally face her Mom..I'm glad she agreed and let Fuuka stay here for the summer |
Tigerle said: I see a problem in what we expect from Fuuka and Kukuru: Fuuka and Kukuru doesn't have the typical anime behaviour. The complete cast ist acting fairly rational for anime standards. No one is book dumb, acting unpredictable or something like this. We have no ditz in the cast. But in anime land, if the main character is no ditz, we expect to behave them mostly perfect. If a spesific action is right, we specifially expect the main character to do this as long as there is no specific character trait which says otherwise... We don't expect them to act irrational like teens. But exactly this happens here. It seems to be easier to run away from the problems than to face them. This is in fact Fuukas main problem. And for a teen of age 17, she acts quite typical. She is no ditz and not the perfect reasonable main character. She is surprisingly realistic with all her teen manners. And the exact thin is for Kukuru, even if in another way. She fails in may ways to lead people as she must do, when she runs the aquarium. But she fails in a way, which is typical for someone with not much life experience. She is clearly short of self-reflection. She sees, if something is not right but is not able to see her own part in the problems. What she does is right in her own opinion. She is not fully able to see the world through the eyes of other. Do not take it wrong: She is able to take responsibilities and she does, but social abilities are not fully developed. And this behavior fits perfect for teens of her age. But in both cases, we don't expect these behaviours for reasonable main charcters in anime. If you dislike them becaufe of this, you dislike them because they surprisingly realistic behavior. This doesn't mean, that this all perfect realistic shown. we are still under hte reign of king dramaturgy. But we shouldn't blame them for manners which absence in most animes are unrealistic. Excellent comment. Both Fuuka and Kukuru are pretty immature and short-sighted, but that's to be expected of teenagers. It's only worked so far because they have a safety net: Kukuru's grandfather presumably has something to fall back on if he was planning to shut down the aquarium, and Fuuka had her mother to return to. Both of them are running away from their main problem, either by trying to distract themselves with a new career, or by pretending not to see the inevitable. One major gripe I have here is that the adults behave in an unrealistic way simply to allow the plot to happen. Kukuru's grandparents not only take in, house and feed a complete stranger they know nothing about, but they pay her — someone who's never worked with aquatic animals before — to work in their aquarium, with the animals. They also ask nothing about her situation or talk to the police. Fuuka's mother doesn't either. If I had a kid and they went missing for days, either not responding to messages or giving short replies, I'd assume the worst and be at the police station the same day she didn't return home. But hey, I guess this is how you know you're getting old: you empathize with the adults more than the kids. Blue_Maroon said: I don’t like Fuuka as a character and I felt all of the main characters were extremely childish this episode, yet they played it completely serious. Fuuka (an 18 year-old woman) doesn’t want her mom to take her home so everyone tells her to run away and hide as they try to distract the mom. This is something my friends and I did when I was like 9 years-old. Fuuka has been completely immature this entire time not telling her mom that she wasn’t coming home, ignoring her calls, telling her mom where she is weeks after ghosting her, and then running away again instead of talking to her like an adult or even a normal teenager. All because she wants to run away from facing her failure as an idol which she caused upon herself. So true lol, I'd never imagine myself or anyone i know acting at 18 like they're in an wacky American kids movie. Fuuka's mother has been way more understanding and less upset than any parent in her situation had the right to be. |
Pande91Aug 6, 2021 10:51 AM
| I was waiting for some mother & daughter drama, but I'm glad everything worked out in the end :) Great episode! Also, R.I.P to that fish ;_; |
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| Good episode. That food looked pretty good and I can't help but wonder what they taste like. It's quite sad seeing a death and it's a really tragic situation :( on a irrelevant note, I also like that outfit fuuka wore with the sunglasses. I always appreciate when series change up outfits like that since it makes the world feel a lot more alive |
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| her mom turned out to be a real good parent. fuuka looks cute af we better see her in twintails again. |
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| lolz everyone of her friend is supporting to run from her mom all the way! haha! good thing the mother allowed her to stay at GamaGama! 4/5. |
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| Omg Fuuka looked so cute in her pigtails♡ This episode had me in tears when Fuuka found out that the blenny died & she said she felt like it was just like her & I was so glad with what they did with Fuuka’s mum & didn’t go with the overbearing, demanding mum cliche. That was so heartwrenching when Fuuka’s mum was confiding with the adults too & Udon’s mum was telling her that a parent needs to learn to let go too & then we see Kukuru’s grandma & her mother’s photo in frame. The subtleties are so good. Fuuka’s mum being understanding & giving her space & time ಥ﹏ಥ I think this episode really solidified it for me, I’m really liking this anime. I love what it’s doing with the drama & I find the story relatable. It’s also relaxing to watch & makes me tear up. ♡♡ |
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Blue_Maroon said: Yeah that’s gonna be it for me.The story isn’t anything to note and the characters are severely lacking for a character-driven SOL-esque anime. I don’t like Fuuka as a character and I felt all of the main characters were extremely childish this episode, yet they played it completely serious. Fuuka (an 18 year-old woman) doesn’t want her mom to take her home so everyone tells her to run away and hide as they try to distract the mom. This is something my friends and I did when I was like 9 years-old. Fuuka has been completely immature this entire time not telling her mom that she wasn’t coming home, ignoring her calls, telling her mom where she is weeks after ghosting her, and then running away again instead of talking to her like an adult or even a normal teenager. All because she wants to run away from facing her failure as an idol which she caused upon herself. I could forgive this anime if they addressed how selfish and immature Fuuka is, but it doesn’t look like they are going to so I’m gonna drop it. Maybe I’ll pick it up again if it gets better, but who knows. Findings in modern neurology suggest that the human brain doesn't even stop fully developing until on average around 25 years-old. Labeling her an "18 year-old woman" is a stretch to begin with. She's basically on a summer vacation and set to begin the second school term come around the beginning of September. In effect, she's a school kid. Whether she's 18 or 17 or whatever, it's not like some magical switch is flipped or people all mature at the same rates and pace, go through the journey of life with the same steps in the exact same order, etc. Furthermore, I believe in the show it says she's been working as an idol from around 14 years-old to just recently, which at least in U.S. school years, is around the age when you end middle school/junior high and begin high school. So she didn't even have the standardized socialization the majority of kids in high school experience as she was essentially launched into an early career in show business (even if it was fully her choice, exercising of her own desire and agency, which I believe it was unless something to the contrary is revealed in the series later, you have even less of your cognitive faculties and decision-making abilities fully developed at 13 - 14 than you do at 18). Like a child actor in television or Hollywood. They can be "child actors" until they're 20 and thrown out on the street, and end up having some of the life skills to navigate and cope like an elementary schooler (and hence why many turn to alcohol and narcotics abuse and many more "immature" or destructive actions than anything shown in this series). I'm sure people even 40, 50 years-old+ want to run away sometimes and a minority actually do. For an 18 year-old school kid at the precipice of having to make some incredibly difficult decisions which will possibly affect the entire future course of her life, I can't imagine anything more realistic or reasonable. |
WatchTillTandavaAug 7, 2021 5:46 PM
WatchTillTandava said: Blue_Maroon said: Yeah that’s gonna be it for me.The story isn’t anything to note and the characters are severely lacking for a character-driven SOL-esque anime. I don’t like Fuuka as a character and I felt all of the main characters were extremely childish this episode, yet they played it completely serious. Fuuka (an 18 year-old woman) doesn’t want her mom to take her home so everyone tells her to run away and hide as they try to distract the mom. This is something my friends and I did when I was like 9 years-old. Fuuka has been completely immature this entire time not telling her mom that she wasn’t coming home, ignoring her calls, telling her mom where she is weeks after ghosting her, and then running away again instead of talking to her like an adult or even a normal teenager. All because she wants to run away from facing her failure as an idol which she caused upon herself. I could forgive this anime if they addressed how selfish and immature Fuuka is, but it doesn’t look like they are going to so I’m gonna drop it. Maybe I’ll pick it up again if it gets better, but who knows. Findings in modern neurology suggest that the human brain doesn't even stop fully developing until on average around 25 years-old. Labeling her an "18 year-old woman" is a stretch to begin with. She's basically on a summer vacation and set to begin the second school term come around the beginning of September. In effect, she's a school kid. Whether she's 18 or 17 or whatever, it's not like some magical switch is flipped or people all mature at the same rates and pace, go through the journey of life with the same steps in the exact same order, etc. Furthermore, I believe in the show it says she's been working as an idol from around 14 years-old to just recently, which at least in U.S. school years, is around the age when you end middle school/junior high and begin high school. So she didn't even have the standardized socialization the majority of kids in high school experience as she was essentially launched into an early career in show business (even if it was fully her choice, exercising of her own desire and agency, which I believe it was unless something to the contrary is revealed in the series later, you have even less of your cognitive faculties and decision-making abilities fully developed at 13 - 14 than you do at 18). Like a child actor in television or Hollywood. They can be "child actors" until they're 20 and thrown out on the street, and end up having some of the life skills to navigate and cope like an elementary schooler (and hence why many turn to alcohol and narcotics abuse and many more "immature" or destructive actions than anything shown in this series). I'm sure people even 40, 50 years-old+ want to run away sometimes and a minority actually do. For an 18 year-old school kid at the precipice of having to make some incredibly difficult decisions which will possibly affect the entire future course of her life, I can't imagine anything more realistic or reasonable. Cool, then present her situation better. Sure, some people in real life do things similar to Fuuka. However, those actions are due to some deeply troubling feelings and factors outside of their control (such as mental instability). This anime has not presented her struggles in any relatable way, and because of that I cannot sympathize with her character or her decisions. |
Blue_Maroon said: Cool, then present her situation better. Sure, some people in real life do things similar to Fuuka. However, those actions are due to some deeply troubling feelings and factors outside of their control (such as mental instability). This anime has not presented her struggles in any relatable way, and because of that I cannot sympathize with her character or her decisions. I think the gap in expectations is because, based on your beliefs and life experience, you perceive her actions to be so radically unconventional, unfathomable, unreasonable, etc. that they must require a very well-established and laid out, heavy justification, such as mental instability. I definitely don't see it that way - Why would she have to be mentally unstable? Because she's traveling and working in a new place without telling her mom/parents in a bid to escape from some pressures back home, try to discover herself and learn some new things about herself and the world, grow as a person, etc.? Whether anyone agrees with her actions are not, that's practically billed as the most understandable, mainstream thing in the world of high school and college-aged kids; at least in North America. It isn't even some significant deviation not expected of someone of her age group; it's closer to the epitome of it. It's just a longer version of some at 14 or 15 years-old staying at a friend's house for the weekend and not telling their parents where they truly are. Incredibly commonplace so much so that it doesn't even seem like something so outlandish and farfetched it would require this intricate and detailed narrative justification. All that's transpired so far: 1.) Not telling her mother where she was staying because she didn't want a scenario like the one in this episode to unfold with her mom showing up 2.) Eventually telling her mom anyway 3.) Her mom showing up 4.) Her considering and making steps to travel to another destination to avoid having to go back home 5.) Her feeling conflicted and eventually returning to tend to an unresolved matter in the aquarium, effectively consenting/acquiescing to see her mom, but standing her ground about the fact that she wants to stay there and why, and then doing so This is incredibly tame. I don't know why a lot of people expect all characters to be fastidiously well-behaved children (or adults) in line with some imagined ideal and if they're not, for there to be some really elaborate and justified reason. Sometimes the reason is just...people being people. Hence, Slice of Life. The only real justification is that she's a teenager, and before that, a human, going through some things, hoping to figure out herself and her place in the world. What more is really needed (for the type of series this is presumably trying to be)? |
WatchTillTandavaAug 7, 2021 7:13 PM
WatchTillTandava said: Blue_Maroon said: Cool, then present her situation better. Sure, some people in real life do things similar to Fuuka. However, those actions are due to some deeply troubling feelings and factors outside of their control (such as mental instability). This anime has not presented her struggles in any relatable way, and because of that I cannot sympathize with her character or her decisions. I think the gap in expectations is because, based on your beliefs and life experience, you perceive her actions to be so radically unconventional, unfathomable, unreasonable, etc. that they must require a very well-established and laid out, heavy justification, such as mental instability. I definitely don't see it that way - Why would she have to be mentally unstable? Because she's traveling and working in a new place without telling her mom/parents in a bid to escape from some pressures back home, try to discover herself and learn some new things about herself and the world, grow as a person, etc.? Whether anyone agrees with her actions are not, that's practically billed as the most understandable, mainstream thing in the world of high school and college-aged kids; at least in North America. It isn't even some significant deviation not expected of someone of her age group; it's closer to the epitome of it. It's just a longer version of some at 14 or 15 years-old staying at a friend's house for the weekend and not telling their parents where they truly are. Incredibly commonplace so much so that it doesn't even seem like something so outlandish and farfetched it would require this intricate and detailed narrative justification. All that's transpired so far: 1.) Not telling her mother where she was staying because she didn't want a scenario like the one in this episode to unfold with her mom showing up 2.) Eventually telling her mom anyway 3.) Her mom showing up 4.) Her considering and making steps to travel to another destination to avoid having to go back home 5.) Her feeling conflicted and eventually returning to tend to an unresolved matter in the aquarium, effectively consenting/acquiescing to see her mom, but standing her ground about the fact that she wants to stay there and why, and then doing so This is incredibly tame. I don't know why a lot of people expect all characters to be fastidiously well-behaved children (or adults) in line with some imagined ideal and if they're not, for there to be some really elaborate and justified reason. Sometimes the reason is just...people being people. Hence, Slice of Life. The only real justification is that she's a teenager, and before that, a human, going through some things, hoping to figure out herself and her place in the world. What more is really needed (for the type of series this is presumably trying to be)? I’m not asking for a mental illness excuse, I want the anime to convincingly portray her fear of going back home and facing her own failure. It has not done that. You say that this is incredibly commonplace (especially in the West), but I have never personally seen or heard of anyone doing something like this given her situation. I know people that have left their home around 18 years of age because their parents were bad influences on their lives, but that isn’t the case here. She has very accepting and loving parents plus a supportive community that was throwing her a welcome home party (of which she stood up without an explanation). So yes, I am asking this anime to actually do its job and portray her struggles in depth so viewers like myself can understand why she is acting so immaturely given that it keeps presenting her as if her actions have been completely justified. I hate it when media uses the “they acted so irrationally and selfishly because they are teenagers” excuse because it is so insulting to actual teenagers. Real teens that do these things have their reasons. We may not be able to fully understand them because we don’t know what they have been through or what is going on inside their heads but that is the beauty of art and forms of media. We CAN see what the characters have gone through and what is going on in their heads. Using this form of storytelling we are able to comprehend why characters make such irrational decisions. Yet this anime is not interested in that because that would be too much work when you can just chalk up her actions to being that of an irrational teenager and go back to yuri baiting and uninspired SOL shenanigans. |
Blue_Maroon said: I’m not asking for a mental illness excuse, I want the anime to convincingly portray her fear of going back home and facing her own failure. It has not done that. You say that this is incredibly commonplace (especially in the West), but I have never personally seen or heard of anyone doing something like this given her situation. I know people that have left their home around 18 years of age because their parents were bad influences on their lives, but that isn’t the case here. She has very accepting and loving parents plus a supportive community that was throwing her a welcome home party (of which she stood up without an explanation). So yes, I am asking this anime to actually do its job and portray her struggles in depth so viewers like myself can understand why she is acting so immaturely given that it keeps presenting her as if her actions have been completely justified. I hate it when media uses the “they acted so irrationally and selfishly because they are teenagers” excuse because it is so insulting to actual teenagers. Real teens that do these things have their reasons. We may not be able to fully understand them because we don’t know what they have been through or what is going on inside their heads but that is the beauty of art and forms of media. We CAN see what the characters have gone through and what is going on in their heads. Using this form of storytelling we are able to comprehend why characters make such irrational decisions. Yet this anime is not interested in that because that would be too much work when you can just chalk up her actions to being that of an irrational teenager and go back to yuri baiting and uninspired SOL shenanigans. I'm not saying she "acted so irrationally, because she's a teenager" though - I think the contention is over this point. It's moreso that I don't see anything she has done as irrational and am mildly surprised to see it inspire such strong adverse reactions in people such as yourself. She doesn't want to go home because she's undecided about where to go from here and what she wants to do with her life after the short-lived end/failure of her idol career, and is uncomfortable to be put in a position where she has to answer questions about why things didn't work out or her future from her family and friends and anyone else she knows back home. It may wind up completely different, but I think that is all perfectly reasonable, rational, easy-to-follow logic which I was able to infer from her actions and the progression of the story with minimal to no real effort at all. Maybe the disconnect is just because some people still view her actions as so wild and radical in spite of that, but I still think it's really pretty tame behavior... Maybe this is just a case where if you find it easily relatable and conceivable, you don't need more layers of writing to further explain and justify it, whereas if you can't relate, understand, sympathize, or identify with it in any way and you're so strongly opposed to/repulsed by the character's actions, then you do. People who can relate will just fill in any and all gaps themselves. People who can't will be left feeling alienated. |
WatchTillTandavaAug 7, 2021 7:56 PM
WatchTillTandava said: Blue_Maroon said: I’m not asking for a mental illness excuse, I want the anime to convincingly portray her fear of going back home and facing her own failure. It has not done that. You say that this is incredibly commonplace (especially in the West), but I have never personally seen or heard of anyone doing something like this given her situation. I know people that have left their home around 18 years of age because their parents were bad influences on their lives, but that isn’t the case here. She has very accepting and loving parents plus a supportive community that was throwing her a welcome home party (of which she stood up without an explanation). So yes, I am asking this anime to actually do its job and portray her struggles in depth so viewers like myself can understand why she is acting so immaturely given that it keeps presenting her as if her actions have been completely justified. I hate it when media uses the “they acted so irrationally and selfishly because they are teenagers” excuse because it is so insulting to actual teenagers. Real teens that do these things have their reasons. We may not be able to fully understand them because we don’t know what they have been through or what is going on inside their heads but that is the beauty of art and forms of media. We CAN see what the characters have gone through and what is going on in their heads. Using this form of storytelling we are able to comprehend why characters make such irrational decisions. Yet this anime is not interested in that because that would be too much work when you can just chalk up her actions to being that of an irrational teenager and go back to yuri baiting and uninspired SOL shenanigans. I'm not saying she "acted so irrationally, because she's a teenager" though - I think the contention is over this point. It's moreso that I don't see anything she has done as irrational and am mildly surprised to see it inspire such strong adverse reactions in people such as yourself. She doesn't want to go home because she's undecided about where to go from here and what she wants to do with her life after the short-lived end/failure of her idol career, and is uncomfortable to be put in a position where she has to answer questions about why things didn't work out or her future from her family and friends and anyone else she knows back home. It may wind up completely different, but I think that is all perfectly reasonable, rational, easy-to-follow logic which I was able to infer from her actions and the progression of the story with minimal to no real effort at all. Maybe the disconnect is just because some people still view her actions as so wild and radical in spite of that, but I still think it's really pretty tame behavior... Maybe this is just a case where if you find it easily relatable and conceivable, you don't need more layers of writing to further explain and justify it, whereas if you can't relate, understand, sympathize, or identify with it in any way and you're so strongly opposed to/repulsed by the character's actions, then you do. People who can relate will just fill in any and all gaps themselves. People who can't will be left feeling alienated. The only real reason that am annoyed by her actions is because of how she foes about it. If she wants to work at an aquarium in Hokkaido for the summer after being fired from her dream job that is fine. What is not fine is ghosting your loving parents and community when they were expecting you to arrive. Imagine this occurred in real life and not anime-land. How worried do you think her parents would have been when she doesn’t arrive back home after saying she will, doesn’t answer any calls, doesn’t respond for many days, and only tells them where she is after weeks. Like in what way is this acceptable behavior? This is so unbelievably selfish that how can I not dislike her when I cannot justify thise actions based on the information I have on her character. There needs to be a damn good reason for a person to do this and this anime has not shown anything of the sort. And even after her mother arrives and rightfully wants her to stop living at a person that she just met’s house and come home to her family, she was going to ghost her AGAIN without saying a word. Like I said in my original comment, this is something that a literal child would do because they do not know how their selfish actions can affect people. But even so, I think that is looking down a bit upon the rational capabilities of children. If you see nothing wrong in these actions then there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions. And if I can’t like the main character in a SOL then that’s a deal-breaker. |
Blue_Maroon said: WatchTillTandava said: I'm not saying she "acted so irrationally, because she's a teenager" though - I think the contention is over this point. It's moreso that I don't see anything she has done as irrational and am mildly surprised to see it inspire such strong adverse reactions in people such as yourself. She doesn't want to go home because she's undecided about where to go from here and what she wants to do with her life after the short-lived end/failure of her idol career, and is uncomfortable to be put in a position where she has to answer questions about why things didn't work out or her future from her family and friends and anyone else she knows back home. It may wind up completely different, but I think that is all perfectly reasonable, rational, easy-to-follow logic which I was able to infer from her actions and the progression of the story with minimal to no real effort at all. Maybe the disconnect is just because some people still view her actions as so wild and radical in spite of that, but I still think it's really pretty tame behavior... Maybe this is just a case where if you find it easily relatable and conceivable, you don't need more layers of writing to further explain and justify it, whereas if you can't relate, understand, sympathize, or identify with it in any way and you're so strongly opposed to/repulsed by the character's actions, then you do. People who can relate will just fill in any and all gaps themselves. People who can't will be left feeling alienated. The only real reason that am annoyed by her actions is because of how she foes about it. If she wants to work at an aquarium in Hokkaido for the summer after being fired from her dream job that is fine. What is not fine is ghosting your loving parents and community when they were expecting you to arrive. Imagine this occurred in real life and not anime-land. How worried do you think her parents would have been when she doesn’t arrive back home after saying she will, doesn’t answer any calls, doesn’t respond for many days, and only tells them where she is after weeks. Like in what way is this acceptable behavior? This is so unbelievably selfish that how can I not dislike her when I cannot justify thise actions based on the information I have on her character. There needs to be a damn good reason for a person to do this and this anime has not shown anything of the sort. And even after her mother arrives and rightfully wants her to stop living at a person that she just met’s house and come home to her family, she was going to ghost her AGAIN without saying a word. Like I said in my original comment, this is something that a literal child would do because they do not know how their selfish actions can affect people. But even so, I think that is looking down a bit upon the rational capabilities of children. If you see nothing wrong in these actions then there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions. And if I can’t like the main character in a SOL then that’s a deal-breaker. WatchTillTandava is more so saying that Fuuka's actions are easy to grasp on an emotional level. You're looking at it though the lens of moral judgement which misses the point. Like sure, as a parent I would be worried sick, however, I can also feel emphathy for Fuuka being in such an uncomfortable situation. You on the other hand condemn her whole character based on her way of reacting to it. Even slandering her with your implication that she's mentally beneath a child when there's no sign that she isn't aware of how she's affecting others. I mean when Fuuka was about to leave she came off as troubled. In no way this anime was approving her course of action. And it’s not like she's completely irresponsible. She headed back on her own accord because she still had a task to take care of. That alone shows that she isn't a lost case. Not every step we make has to be rational. Errors can be forgiven or evened out by people around you. In certain cases being met with understanding can do more for a person since it leaves them room to come to a conclusion themself. To me that seems like an effective way for Fuuka to overcome her insecurities. Her mom realized that too, so she decided to let her daughter go her own way. Believing that she will grow from the experiences she's going to make. Treating the root of the problem instead of just symptoms so to speak. So given all that, I don't see the need that the anime should criticize Fuuka. In fact it would come off as heavily artificial opposed to what I like to see in a slice of life show such as Aquatope. Just my 2cents. You can keep insisting on your pov. |
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FMmatron said: Blue_Maroon said: The only real reason that am annoyed by her actions is because of how she foes about it. If she wants to work at an aquarium in Hokkaido for the summer after being fired from her dream job that is fine. What is not fine is ghosting your loving parents and community when they were expecting you to arrive. Imagine this occurred in real life and not anime-land. How worried do you think her parents would have been when she doesn’t arrive back home after saying she will, doesn’t answer any calls, doesn’t respond for many days, and only tells them where she is after weeks. Like in what way is this acceptable behavior? This is so unbelievably selfish that how can I not dislike her when I cannot justify thise actions based on the information I have on her character. There needs to be a damn good reason for a person to do this and this anime has not shown anything of the sort. And even after her mother arrives and rightfully wants her to stop living at a person that she just met’s house and come home to her family, she was going to ghost her AGAIN without saying a word. Like I said in my original comment, this is something that a literal child would do because they do not know how their selfish actions can affect people. But even so, I think that is looking down a bit upon the rational capabilities of children. If you see nothing wrong in these actions then there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions. And if I can’t like the main character in a SOL then that’s a deal-breaker. WatchTillTandava is more so saying that Fuuka's actions are easy to grasp on an emotional level. You're looking at it though the lens of moral judgement which misses the point. Like sure, as a parent I would be worried sick, however, I can also feel emphathy for Fuuka being in such an uncomfortable situation. You on the other hand condemn her whole character based on her way of reacting to it. Even slandering her with your implication that she's mentally beneath a child when there's no sign that she isn't aware of how she's affecting others. I mean when Fuuka was about to leave she came off as troubled. In no way this anime was approving her course of action. And it’s not like she's completely irresponsible. She headed back on her own accord because she still had a task to take care of. That alone shows that she isn't a lost case. Not every step we make has to be rational. Errors can be forgiven or evened out by people around you. In certain cases being met with understanding can do more for a person since it leaves them room to come to a conclusion themself. To me that seems like an effective way for Fuuka to overcome her insecurities. Her mom realized that too, so she decided to let her daughter go her own way. Believing that she will grow from the experiences she's going to make. Treating the root of the problem instead of just symptoms so to speak. So given all that, I don't see the need that the anime should criticize Fuuka. In fact it would come off as heavily artificial opposed to what I like to see in a slice of life show such as Aquatope. Just my 2cents. You can keep insisting on your pov. The thing is that the emotional aspect of Fuuka’s actions are directly tied to the moral aspect of her actions. As I said in my previous comment, I can understand why Fuuka wants to continue to escape her problems by working at a small aquarium in Hokkaido. However, the anime has not made clear how much she is struggling for me to rationalize her actions. I agree that people make irrational decisions. But I also understand that there are reasons for people to make those decisions. For someone to act this way to their loving parents they must be really going through it. That has not been shown in her character. She has come across as very self-abosorbed because the anime does not provide an effective depiction of her struggles. She offered to let the other idol be center for a show and was phased out of her dream job after that. I’m going to need a more in-depth look at her mental state during this time to understand why she does the extremely selfish things she does. It all comes down to how this anime has poorly portrayed her circumstances. Nobody really condemns her for her actions and in fact both kids and adults alike support her quest to continue running away without telling her parents. In fact, they are the ones that encouraged her to do so. There is no voice of reason because this anime wants to take the easy way out of showing Fuuka “grow” into a more mature person by starting her off with the maturity of a child. I can’t be happy to see her growth because where she started at was already unbelieveable and only done so as a cheap way to develop her character by making her more like a real human being. That is lazy writing. Her struggles should have been portrayed well enough that we could understand her actions at the start but not applaud them, while the anime shows that her actions have been wrong. That way, we see her as an actual character, flawed yet relatable, to begin with and watch as she overcomes those realistic obstacles and grows as a person. That tends to be what good stories do. |
Blue_Maroon said: The only real reason that am annoyed by her actions is because of how she foes about it. If she wants to work at an aquarium in Hokkaido for the summer after being fired from her dream job that is fine. What is not fine is ghosting your loving parents and community when they were expecting you to arrive. Imagine this occurred in real life and not anime-land. How worried do you think her parents would have been when she doesn’t arrive back home after saying she will, doesn’t answer any calls, doesn’t respond for many days, and only tells them where she is after weeks. Like in what way is this acceptable behavior? This is so unbelievably selfish that how can I not dislike her when I cannot justify thise actions based on the information I have on her character. There needs to be a damn good reason for a person to do this and this anime has not shown anything of the sort. And even after her mother arrives and rightfully wants her to stop living at a person that she just met’s house and come home to her family, she was going to ghost her AGAIN without saying a word. Like I said in my original comment, this is something that a literal child would do because they do not know how their selfish actions can affect people. But even so, I think that is looking down a bit upon the rational capabilities of children. If you see nothing wrong in these actions then there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions. And if I can’t like the main character in a SOL then that’s a deal-breaker. I think you're making an erroneous assumption in saying that the only people who would act this way are literal children because they don't know or can't comprehend "how their selfish actions can affect people." Nothing shown in the series indicates to me that Fuuka lacks this understanding or awareness. I would contend that it is perfectly possible to understand your actions are affecting people, weigh the impact they have and the possible consequences, and still decide in favor or your own freedom by prioritizing yourself and your own self-realization more. Yes, it is selfish. Plenty of people are selfish in many ways. Again, I can understand and sympathize with this easily. Especially when it comes down to someone in the biological and emotional life stage of a teenager having the weight of their entire life and future ahead of them based on how they act and what they decide. I've never been in the exact same position Fuuka has been, but I've definitely made and continue to make selfish decisions. My parents have made selfish decisions. I still love them. They still love me. We're people. Organic beings. Not computer programs coded to follow only one script and way of thinking/acting to a tee. Ultimately though, I don't believe you have to change my mind, nor do I have to change your mind, because the most important point comes down to this: "I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions." Why do you believe it is the role and job of the series to criticize her actions rather than simply depict them and let the audience members individually evaluate and decide for themselves? That's what we've clearly done here, in two opposing directions with two different takes and emotional reactions, and it's what gives a Slice of Life a more real and flowing feel rather than being some haughty moralizing sermon. |
WatchTillTandava said: Blue_Maroon said: The only real reason that am annoyed by her actions is because of how she foes about it. If she wants to work at an aquarium in Hokkaido for the summer after being fired from her dream job that is fine. What is not fine is ghosting your loving parents and community when they were expecting you to arrive. Imagine this occurred in real life and not anime-land. How worried do you think her parents would have been when she doesn’t arrive back home after saying she will, doesn’t answer any calls, doesn’t respond for many days, and only tells them where she is after weeks. Like in what way is this acceptable behavior? This is so unbelievably selfish that how can I not dislike her when I cannot justify thise actions based on the information I have on her character. There needs to be a damn good reason for a person to do this and this anime has not shown anything of the sort. And even after her mother arrives and rightfully wants her to stop living at a person that she just met’s house and come home to her family, she was going to ghost her AGAIN without saying a word. Like I said in my original comment, this is something that a literal child would do because they do not know how their selfish actions can affect people. But even so, I think that is looking down a bit upon the rational capabilities of children. If you see nothing wrong in these actions then there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions. And if I can’t like the main character in a SOL then that’s a deal-breaker. I think you're making an erroneous assumption in saying that the only people who would act this way are literal children because they don't know or can't comprehend "how their selfish actions can affect people." Nothing shown in the series indicates to me that Fuuka lacks this understanding or awareness. I would contend that it is perfectly possible to understand your actions are affecting people, weigh the impact they have and the possible consequences, and still decide in favor or your own freedom by prioritizing yourself and your own self-realization more. Yes, it is selfish. Plenty of people are selfish in many ways. Again, I can understand and sympathize with this easily. Especially when it comes down to someone in the biological and emotional life stage of a teenager having the weight of their entire life and future ahead of them based on how they act and what they decide. I've never been in the exact same position Fuuka has been, but I've definitely made and continue to make selfish decisions. My parents have made selfish decisions. I still love them. They still love me. We're people. Organic beings. Not computer programs coded to follow only one script and way of thinking/acting to a tee. Ultimately though, I don't believe you have to change my mind, nor do I have to change your mind, because the most important point comes down to this: "I cannot bring myself to like such a character when the anime itself is not criticising her actions." Why do you believe it is the role and job of the series to criticize her actions rather than simply depict them and let the audience members individually evaluate and decide for themselves? That's what we've clearly done here, in two opposing directions with two different takes and emotional reactions, and it's what gives a Slice of Life a more real and flowing feel rather than being some haughty moralizing sermon. The fact of the matter is Fuuka shows no remorse for how her actions have affected her mother. I can’t even remember if she apologized for how she went about telling her where she was. Plus, she was going to do it again, but decided that she wanted to work at the aquarium so badly that she bit the bullet and talked to her mom. None of this indicates that she understands how her selfishness can be hurting her parents. In fact, it seems more like she doesn’t care about them at all. She just wants to stay at the aquarium and she realized that talking to her mom was the most effective way to do that. I cannot like a character like that, and it is vital for SOL shows to have likeable characters. The only reason I would have liked the show to acknowledge how selfish her actions have been (such as with at least one neutral party telling her to talk to her parents) was so that I could sense that this anime was going in a direction where she learns from these mistakes and grows as a result of that. But instead, the anime does not want to even address it and this makes her “growth” feel hollow because she is not even addressing her actual faults. In fact, I think having nobody addressing how immature and selfish she has been is more unreal than the alternative. Having everyone enable her actions feels completely unrealistic and actually shows that the anime is not just dipicting her actions, but supporting them. I have no interest in watching a SOL anime about characters growing and becoming more mature when it fails to even see the biggest fault of one of its characters. |
Blue_Maroon said: FMmatron said: WatchTillTandava is more so saying that Fuuka's actions are easy to grasp on an emotional level. You're looking at it though the lens of moral judgement which misses the point. Like sure, as a parent I would be worried sick, however, I can also feel emphathy for Fuuka being in such an uncomfortable situation. You on the other hand condemn her whole character based on her way of reacting to it. Even slandering her with your implication that she's mentally beneath a child when there's no sign that she isn't aware of how she's affecting others. I mean when Fuuka was about to leave she came off as troubled. In no way this anime was approving her course of action. And it’s not like she's completely irresponsible. She headed back on her own accord because she still had a task to take care of. That alone shows that she isn't a lost case. Not every step we make has to be rational. Errors can be forgiven or evened out by people around you. In certain cases being met with understanding can do more for a person since it leaves them room to come to a conclusion themself. To me that seems like an effective way for Fuuka to overcome her insecurities. Her mom realized that too, so she decided to let her daughter go her own way. Believing that she will grow from the experiences she's going to make. Treating the root of the problem instead of just symptoms so to speak. So given all that, I don't see the need that the anime should criticize Fuuka. In fact it would come off as heavily artificial opposed to what I like to see in a slice of life show such as Aquatope. Just my 2cents. You can keep insisting on your pov. The thing is that the emotional aspect of Fuuka’s actions are directly tied to the moral aspect of her actions. As I said in my previous comment, I can understand why Fuuka wants to continue to escape her problems by working at a small aquarium in Hokkaido. However, the anime has not made clear how much she is struggling for me to rationalize her actions. I agree that people make irrational decisions. But I also understand that there are reasons for people to make those decisions. For someone to act this way to their loving parents they must be really going through it. That has not been shown in her character. She has come across as very self-abosorbed because the anime does not provide an effective depiction of her struggles. She offered to let the other idol be center for a show and was phased out of her dream job after that. I’m going to need a more in-depth look at her mental state during this time to understand why she does the extremely selfish things she does. It all comes down to how this anime has poorly portrayed her circumstances. Nobody really condemns her for her actions and in fact both kids and adults alike support her quest to continue running away without telling her parents. In fact, they are the ones that encouraged her to do so. There is no voice of reason because this anime wants to take the easy way out of showing Fuuka “grow” into a more mature person by starting her off with the maturity of a child. I can’t be happy to see her growth because where she started at was already unbelieveable and only done so as a cheap way to develop her character by making her more like a real human being. That is lazy writing. Her struggles should have been portrayed well enough that we could understand her actions at the start but not applaud them, while the anime shows that her actions have been wrong. That way, we see her as an actual character, flawed yet relatable, to begin with and watch as she overcomes those realistic obstacles and grows as a person. That tends to be what good stories do. Fuuka is at a low point, insecure, overwhelmed. It's not reprehensible to act on impulse as long as it isn't directly violating the rights of others. And again, in spite of being already on the run from her mother she still decided to head back. Goes to show that she can put responsibility above herself. This was just one of many instances where the anime provided sufficient context that allowed us to empathize with her as a flawed character with an intact moral compass. The people around her realize that and respect her freedom. There's no merit in shoving moral lessons down our throat when everything is crystal clear. Definitely not a necessity for good writing. That would be actually cheap in fact. Now as for Fuuka's possessing the maturity of a child, that's pretty much a stretch or at worst a fallacy. First off, maturity and the urge to run away from a situation or acting selfish aren't necessarily correlated as the latter is only human. In a sense that already makes her relatable enough for those open minded as we all have stages in our life when we act more in our interests, especially in a more vulnerable state. In which Fuuka currently is. It's not that she lacks maturity, it's more so that the mental barrier surrounding her is too strong for her atm. A change of pace might help her to reinvent herself. I get it, you’re dissatisfied with this approach, but saying your standards equal good storytelling is presumptuous. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: Blue_Maroon said: The thing is that the emotional aspect of Fuuka’s actions are directly tied to the moral aspect of her actions. As I said in my previous comment, I can understand why Fuuka wants to continue to escape her problems by working at a small aquarium in Hokkaido. However, the anime has not made clear how much she is struggling for me to rationalize her actions. I agree that people make irrational decisions. But I also understand that there are reasons for people to make those decisions. For someone to act this way to their loving parents they must be really going through it. That has not been shown in her character. She has come across as very self-abosorbed because the anime does not provide an effective depiction of her struggles. She offered to let the other idol be center for a show and was phased out of her dream job after that. I’m going to need a more in-depth look at her mental state during this time to understand why she does the extremely selfish things she does. It all comes down to how this anime has poorly portrayed her circumstances. Nobody really condemns her for her actions and in fact both kids and adults alike support her quest to continue running away without telling her parents. In fact, they are the ones that encouraged her to do so. There is no voice of reason because this anime wants to take the easy way out of showing Fuuka “grow” into a more mature person by starting her off with the maturity of a child. I can’t be happy to see her growth because where she started at was already unbelieveable and only done so as a cheap way to develop her character by making her more like a real human being. That is lazy writing. Her struggles should have been portrayed well enough that we could understand her actions at the start but not applaud them, while the anime shows that her actions have been wrong. That way, we see her as an actual character, flawed yet relatable, to begin with and watch as she overcomes those realistic obstacles and grows as a person. That tends to be what good stories do. Fuuka is at a low point, insecure, overwhelmed. It's not reprehensible to act on impulse as long as it isn't directly violating the rights of others. And again, in spite of being already on the run from her mother she still decided to head back. Goes to show that she can put responsibility above herself. This was just one of many instances where the anime provided sufficient context that allowed us to empathize with her as a flawed character with an intact moral compass. The people around her realize that and respect her freedom. There's no merit in shoving moral lessons down our throat when everything is crystal clear. Definitely not a necessity for good writing. That would be actually cheap in fact. Now as for Fuuka's possessing the maturity of a child, that's pretty much a stretch or at worst a fallacy. First off, maturity and the urge to run away from a situation or acting selfish aren't necessarily correlated as the latter is only human. In a sense that already makes her relatable enough for those open minded as we all have stages in our life when we act more in our interests, especially in a more vulnerable state. In which Fuuka currently is. It's not that she lacks maturity, it's more so that the mental barrier surrounding her is too strong for her atm. A change of pace might help her to reinvent herself. I get it, you’re dissatisfied with this approach, but saying your standards equal good storytelling is presumptuous. She went back because she wanted to stay at the aquarium and didn’t want to be constantly on the run from her parents. Her going back had nothing to do with her feeling bad for how she handled letting her parents know where she was. Having a conversation with her mother was just the best way to get what she wanted. It was literally all about herself. I can’t say that this is any meaningful progress. Again, I’m not asking for moral lessons to be shoved down our throats. But at least a single neutral character pointing out how her selfishness may be affecting her loved ones might have been a good idea to show that the writers recognize this giant fault of hers. But they didn’t, so yes, I would say that is bad writing because it makes the characters appear unnrealistic and Fuuka unlikable when that is not the intention or to the benefit of the show. |
Blue_Maroon said: [...] She went back because she wanted to stay at the aquarium and didn’t want to be constantly on the run from her parents. Her going back had nothing to do with her feeling bad for how she handled letting her parents know where she was. Having a conversation with her mother was just the best way to get what she wanted. It was literally all about herself. I can’t say that this is any meaningful progress. Again, I’m not asking for moral lessons to be shoved down our throats. But at least a single neutral character pointing out how her selfishness may be affecting her loved ones might have been a good idea to show that the writers recognize this giant fault of hers. But they didn’t, so yes, I would say that is bad writing because it makes the characters appear unnrealistic and Fuuka unlikable when that is not the intention or to the benefit of the show. She runs away again, this is sure. And it really seems, that she has (at least at the end of this episode) no remorse for running away. But let us look to another topic: Her SMS with her mom. At first she was not answering to her mother. This is the easiest solution. But her mother was constantly asking further so she lied, that she is at friend. In the end she tell her the truth. We have here some different phases of growing remorse. It is definitively false to believe, that Fuuka has no remorse. And in the end she talks to her mum with no lame excuses. She doesn't really talk about her internal struggles. Therefore it is really clear, that she still doesn't open up. But she is starting to face the consequences of her actions. |
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| Im so glad her mom was a nice person, all she wants is to do something for her. If I was the driver I would be mad af with her when she wanted to return for the fish, I easily get mad at waste of time and resources. |
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| That lady with the dark hair is a straight up MILF. If there were more characters on the thicker side like her in anime the world would be a brighter place |
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Blue_Maroon said: FMmatron said: Fuuka is at a low point, insecure, overwhelmed. It's not reprehensible to act on impulse as long as it isn't directly violating the rights of others. And again, in spite of being already on the run from her mother she still decided to head back. Goes to show that she can put responsibility above herself. This was just one of many instances where the anime provided sufficient context that allowed us to empathize with her as a flawed character with an intact moral compass. The people around her realize that and respect her freedom. There's no merit in shoving moral lessons down our throat when everything is crystal clear. Definitely not a necessity for good writing. That would be actually cheap in fact. Now as for Fuuka's possessing the maturity of a child, that's pretty much a stretch or at worst a fallacy. First off, maturity and the urge to run away from a situation or acting selfish aren't necessarily correlated as the latter is only human. In a sense that already makes her relatable enough for those open minded as we all have stages in our life when we act more in our interests, especially in a more vulnerable state. In which Fuuka currently is. It's not that she lacks maturity, it's more so that the mental barrier surrounding her is too strong for her atm. A change of pace might help her to reinvent herself. I get it, you’re dissatisfied with this approach, but saying your standards equal good storytelling is presumptuous. She went back because she wanted to stay at the aquarium and didn’t want to be constantly on the run from her parents. Her going back had nothing to do with her feeling bad for how she handled letting her parents know where she was. Having a conversation with her mother was just the best way to get what she wanted. It was literally all about herself. I can’t say that this is any meaningful progress. Again, I’m not asking for moral lessons to be shoved down our throats. But at least a single neutral character pointing out how her selfishness may be affecting her loved ones might have been a good idea to show that the writers recognize this giant fault of hers. But they didn’t, so yes, I would say that is bad writing because it makes the characters appear unnrealistic and Fuuka unlikable when that is not the intention or to the benefit of the show. She literally said that she still had important work to do. It's not quite as black and white as you make it out to be. Disregarding your overly negative notion of selfishness as a huge character flaw. You really just look at it from one narrow angle without taking the whole picture into account. Might be why you inisist on perceiving Fuuka as unlikable(when she got likeable qualities as well) I personally disagree. The show is already aware that being a runaway could be seen as heavy stuff. Kukuru was a bit astounded after learning about it, but decided not to pry further into it. The boys don't feel like getting involved in the personal affairs of someone they barely know. The elders deem the situation as nothing too grave after reassuring Fuuka's mom that she's well. Going your own way is part of growing up after all(what's more is that we still don't know about the circumstances behind Kukuru's mom death and how this could tie into the theme) Everything is a bit more subtle, but totally comprehensible. It's just that instead of letting a character act preachy the writers decided to go with a more uplifting approach. With that said, you could argue about what consitutes as bad writing. I, for one rather believe something that doesn't add much to a character besides some sort of contrast that won't matter in the long run not to be good writing, let alone prerequisite for realism. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: Blue_Maroon said: She went back because she wanted to stay at the aquarium and didn’t want to be constantly on the run from her parents. Her going back had nothing to do with her feeling bad for how she handled letting her parents know where she was. Having a conversation with her mother was just the best way to get what she wanted. It was literally all about herself. I can’t say that this is any meaningful progress. Again, I’m not asking for moral lessons to be shoved down our throats. But at least a single neutral character pointing out how her selfishness may be affecting her loved ones might have been a good idea to show that the writers recognize this giant fault of hers. But they didn’t, so yes, I would say that is bad writing because it makes the characters appear unnrealistic and Fuuka unlikable when that is not the intention or to the benefit of the show. She literally said that she still had important work to do. It's not quite as black and white as you make it out to be. Disregarding your overly negative notion of selfishness as a huge character flaw. You really just look at it from one narrow angle without taking the whole picture into account. Might be why you inisist on perceiving Fuuka as unlikable(when she got likeable qualities as well) I personally disagree. The show is already aware that being a runaway could be seen as heavy stuff. Kukuru was a bit astounded after learning about it, but decided not to pry further into it. The boys don't feel like getting involved in the personal affairs of someone they barely know. The elders deem the situation as nothing too grave after reassuring Fuuka's mom that she's well. Going your own way is part of growing up after all(what's more is that we still don't know about the circumstances behind Kukuru's mom death and how this could tie into the theme) Everything is a bit more subtle, but totally comprehensible. It's just that instead of letting a character act preachy the writers decided to go with a more uplifting approach. With that said, you could argue about what consitutes as bad writing. I, for one rather believe something that doesn't add much to a character besides some sort of contrast that won't matter in the long run not to be good writing, let alone prerequisite for realism. So you are ignoring that her going back had nothing to do with her feeling bad about how she has treated her mom, just because the script included some ambiguity in her line? She has essentially shown 0 remorse for how she handled things with her mom. If you can't even agree with me on that one truth then this discussion will never go anywhere. Hope you continue to enjoy the show. |
| That was pretty heartwarming ^^ The ED gives off a little bit of Nagi no Asu Kara vibes |
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Allycattt said: That lady with the dark hair is a straight up MILF. If there were more characters on the thicker side like her in anime the world would be a brighter place I completely agree. We need more body types like hers in anime. Well, in more media in general! Pretty wholesome episode overall. Fuuka's mom was so kind and understanding. It was nice to see. |
| Everything is solved now. The mother is actually pretty nice than what I expected. I thought she would be more strict. The running away thing was quite extended and unnecessary tho. Fuuka could've just been stubborn since the start and the mother would've eventually accepted... |
| I hope this gey relationship blossoms, idk where tf this is going.. but its fun to watch. |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| At least the conflict with the mother is resolved, rip the fish though |
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| Mom looked angry before the Opening but after the OP she looked chill lol |
| NO not the Coral Blenny.... Nice to see Fuuka's sensible mother wasn't a shitty parent and just wanted to spend more time with Fuuka at home as they never could when she was an idol. |
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| The biggest drama ended up being some fish dying, I don't know why I was expecting more push from her mom to get her back but I guess is nice she is such a supportive parent despite the fact her daughter lied about the place she was going and didn't answer her call or text is good she didn't thought something awful happened to her and she just chilling with some new friends. |
| Now that's what I'd called "inspiring friendship", I'm really glad there's no Yuri. 😭😭😭 |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
| Absolutely awful how they handled the issue regarding Fuuka's mother. Poor woman had to deal with a town full of people with no common sense. Adults and supposedly responsible teenagers alike. And Kukuru acting all supportive and shit when she only wants Fuuka (or anyone else in that regard) to help her save the aquarium. She's so fake. |
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