Naruto: Shippuuden Episode 375 Discussion

Milchy said:
Hey guys, how far are we from the manga? How much episodes are we likely to squeeze out on the curently available material ?

th3pwnsh0p said:
Shitty animation saved by everything else that was great about this episode.


r8 8/8

qemsxd said:


Turns out he didn't use Kamui to seal the Ten Tails. My bad :(

Back to the Kamui though. Yes, Obito could alternate between two Kamui mode and yes, the timer would reset. However, Obito could not attack while intangible because his attack would overlap with his target. So far, Obito only relies on "close range touch Kamui" to finish his opponent which requires him to undo his intangibility. All of Obito's previous opponents know this tricky jutsu and adjust their battle strategy to be able to land a hit on him. Let's see:

1. Danzo's underlings from Five Kage arc relied on counter attack strategy. They knew Obito would have to cancel his intangibility right before he attack them. Obito managed to fool them in this battle by using his own strategy.

2. Konan knew about the five minute restriction, so she made Obito fall into endless exploding paper for ten minute straight. The moment Obito switch into his normal Kamui mode, he would get caught by the explosion before he can suck himself into Kamui dimension. His intangibility would cancel itself for five minutes. However, Obito managed to avoid this by using Izanagi.

3. Minato used the same counter attack strategy. But he also added a surprise element. After Minato threw his kunai through Obito, poor inexperienced Obito switched to normal mode because he was sure his hand will touch Minato before Minato Rasengan could hit him. This was when Minato teleported by using Raijin Lv 2 and landed a hit.

4. Kakashi, Gai, and Naruto initially used counter attack strategy. However, present more experienced Obito managed to switch effortlessly between tangible and intangible. This was when Kakashi realized that intangibility worked similar to Kamui and he managed to use his own Kamui against Obito's intangibility.

So, Obito's intangibility made him so powerful in the past, before Kakashi realized his Kamui connection to Obito's.

And yeah, back to the episode. Obito will have his own version of "trying to control the Tailed Beast" in upcoming episodes. I will not say the specifics, though.

tsudecimo said:
I highly recommend re-watching it, I re-watched it 9 months ago and it was one of the most enjoyable experiences I had with anime, and any fiction in general.

Mikasa said:




The more this gets looked on the more inconsistencies I find:

2: yes but why did he not use Kamui to just send himself to the other dimension if it were timeless?
3: same as above, but also, why didn't he use Kamui on the Kunai itself rather than his own head? That way he'd be completely rid of the Kunai. He was not as inexperienced as early story Naruto and even he knew much tonpractice this common sense (of how Kunais can be used for more than just Kunais)

So the way I see it, Kamui can be use like this:

1. Apply it on own body to send it to dimension
2- apply the same technique with a bit of longer range to send other things.
Is this under the limit too? Because technically once it's used it's already "off" the portal is shut. Will the timer work on the objects themselves? Because that means they should be coming back to reality after 5 minutes.

3- apply touch to send them.
How is the last one of no time constraint? (According to you,) What does the hand exactly do? It's an eye technique. Is the hand just some "condition" to activate indefinite Kamui? And if so, he could simply carry any object and take himself to the next dimension.

PrOxAnto said:


Rewatch what?

Khawaja said:
Sadly, I don't remember most of the original Naruto now, thinking of watching it from the start someday these days. Long Live Naruto!

Rufeegee said:
5/5, This episode was awesome.

If I didn't already gave this anime a 10, I would now.
That fight is definitely in my top 3 of Naruto and maybe even anything, depends on how it will stand the test of time, I really thought Obito would easily defeat Kakashi though, because of the Rinnegan and other stuff such as Hashirama's cells etc.

Such good animated hand to hand combat is the best there is, the only other good anime with 'fight' animation of this/better quality imo(which I have seen) is Sword of the Stranger, which is a movie with a higher budget obviously. The only minor thing about it is that it wasn't that fluid throughtout because of less used frames.

Probably gonna rewatch this episode a couple of times. I wonder how Madara is going to react to Obito betraying him and how the allied shinobi forces will react to such power. The thing I don't get though, is how Obito can just seal the Ten Tails inside him without any ritual whereas Naruto had some taxing ritual if I'm not mistaken.

The thing I'm more afraid of is this turning into Dragonball Z where the antagonist(Obito) is very strong and can handle all of the Shinobi forces without any effort and then suddenly he gets defeated somehow. Also Obito shooting 'kamehameha's/lasers'' or some other powerful/OP jutsu.
I wonder how that is going to play out.

tsudecimo said:

The series. This was a direct reply to:

tsudecimo said:
Well can't say I agree with most of what you said, but okay different likes and such :o

Mikasa said:
1- I know, but being automatic is all well and good, it worked on Minato's Kunai but not his following attack? Or the attack after?


2- Kakashi's beginner Kamui was fast enough to go in and out severing Deidara's arm while he was moving fast. Fast enough to do all just to slice his arm rather than have it move along into the dimension.
when Kakashi applied it all the way to Obito and had Naruto hit him there.
All within time too fast for a Ninja's reflex.
Point is, it is not so slow.
This is exclusive to Kakashi you might say?
Tobi dematerialized himself fast enough to dodge Torune's attack and Danzo's Reverse Tetragram seal.
Regardless of all, he could have definitely dematerialized himself fast enough to avoid said attacks. Yes, the "intan." Is faster but with a limit like that and an expected attack, he could have just went there and waited the thing out.

tsudecimo said:
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How are you not getting this?

Minato threw the Kunai, Obito used intangibility, the Kunai passed fully through Obito's head. Obito then materialized himself, in order to suck Minato. Then Minato's used flying rajin jutsu and attacked him with the Rasenga because Obito was solid in those seconds. He wasn't fast enough to react to that, and use the intangibility, it all happened in split seconds.

There are no other attacks after Minato's Rasengan. Their encounter ended after that.

Mikasa said:

Edit: I rewatched Konan vs Tobi, you're right that sucking himself wasn't fast enough, but that means the phasing he did against Torune and Fuu was not his sucking technique, neither was it applied on his body, he created a long range portal. By long range I don't mean far, it was close to his body still, but NOT applied on the body itself. :)

Mikasa said:


The more this gets looked on the more inconsistencies I find:

2: yes but why did he not use Kamui to just send himself to the other dimension if it were timeless?
3: same as above, but also, why didn't he use Kamui on the Kunai itself rather than his own head? That way he'd be completely rid of the Kunai. He was not as inexperienced as early story Naruto and even he knew much tonpractice this common sense (of how Kunais can be used for more than just Kunais)

So the way I see it, Kamui can be use like this:

1. Apply it on own body to send it to dimension
2- apply the same technique with a bit of longer range to send other things.
Is this under the limit too? Because technically once it's used it's already "off" the portal is shut. Will the timer work on the objects themselves? Because that means they should be coming back to reality after 5 minutes.

3- apply touch to send them.
How is the last one of no time constraint? (According to you,) What does the hand exactly do? It's an eye technique. Is the hand just some "condition" to activate indefinite Kamui? And if so, he could simply carry any object and take himself to the next dimension.

Taito10 said:
Very good animation
Terrible art.

qemsxd said:


Actually, there was. Minato use Hiraishin once again to stab Obito and cancel the contract. Maybe Obito was simply confused he didn't switch back to intangible right away.

Obito have to intentionally switch mode. That's why everyone tried to caught him off guard. Minato's Raijin Lv 2 is fast, and short period to suck himself is long enough for Konan to attach surrounding paper bombs to his body. Minato's Hirashin is fast enough that he can teleport while being sucked earlier by Obito. And in Minato fight case, Obito cannot wait. He was the one who have to stop Minato from interfering Kyuubi attack on the village. Obito was the chaser, not the one fleeing.

I'm reading Obito vs Torune & Fuu, at least the battle according to manga goes like this:

Torune throws kunai, Obito avoid. Fuu tries to use Shintenshin from behind, Obito switches to intangible, goes underground.

Obito appears behind Fuu, Fuu tries to cut him, sword goes through, Obito switches to solid, grab Fuu's hand, tries to punch him, Torune throws kunai, Obito switches to intangible, kunai goes through while his punch goes through Fuu, Obito jumps back, Fuu and Torune regroup.

Torune activate his poison insect in his hand, they both charge, Obito still intangibe, Fuu goes through, Obito tries to punch Fuu, Torune tries to punch Obito thinking he go solid, turns out still intangible, Torune goes through and punch Fuu instead.

but cannot go in there on his own.

Obito's intangibility, according to Sakura and in recent episodes Kakashi, is simply Obito teleporting portions of his body at the very moment an attack hits him. He is not really "intangible" in the strict sense of it.

So when Konan activated the 10-minutes explosion, the only thing Obito could do was to keep using his "intangibility" (which kicks in almost instantly) because completely teleporting away will expose his entire body to the explosion for a brief moment.