Does eren end up as a protagonist or antagonist?

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Difficult to say, depends on the point of view. But he for sure is a tragic human with a burden on his shoulders that is pretty much unbearable.....

Apr 9, 2021 11:25 AM

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Best character in anime. Lelouch is what you think you would get in an idealistic world. Like really all problems end when one person dies? Lmao. Eren is the best MC in manga. Dude was bound to die and still choose to fight for freedom

Choose to fight for freedom by becoming a genocidal maniac who killed 80% of humanity. Nice.

Apr 9, 2021 11:47 AM

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Eren pulled "Zero IQ Requiem", "Random guy from YouTube" lol

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Difficult to say, depends on the point of view. But he for sure is a tragic human with a burden on his shoulders that is pretty much unbearable.....

He could have not done the rumbling. Instead he and the people of paradis could have joined together and fight the world. That would have been better. But no,he had to do this shit. He wasn't even forced. Ymir just showed him the path and he himself chose to walk on it. If he would've rather fought the world instead of rumbling 80% of the earth,things would have made sense. Armin thanking eren for becoming a mass murdered. Lol you think Armin would EVER do that? Would he ever be selfish enough to thank his friend for rumbling the world do that just Eren's friends could stay safe? No.
Sasha also died for NOTHING.

Apr 9, 2021 12:01 PM

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SilverLeo said:
Difficult to say, depends on the point of view. But he for sure is a tragic human with a burden on his shoulders that is pretty much unbearable.....

He could have not done the rumbling. Instead he and the people of paradis could have joined together and fight the world. That would have been better. But no,he had to do this shit. He wasn't even forced. Ymir just showed him the path and he himself chose to walk on it. If he would've rather fought the world instead of rumbling 80% of the earth,things would have made sense. Armin thanking eren for becoming a mass murdered. Lol you think Armin would EVER do that? Would he ever be selfish enough to thank his friend for rumbling the world do that just Eren's friends could stay safe? No.
Sasha also died for NOTHING.

He need to do the rumbling so he could reach freedom and end the titans. Wasn't it stated multiple times? We saw what Paradis military wanted to do. Let Eren get eaten so somebody else gets the titan. Saying to join together is a little bit rough considering the people themselves where divided on what to do next. Yes he chose his own way that Ymir showed him, yet both where ironically slaves to themselves. Kenny said it. Everybody gets high on something so they can cope with it. Erens mind was all over the place after the 4 year timeskip. He's said it himself in 139.
Yes, the line from Armin surely was rough and not handled perfectly by Yams.

Apr 9, 2021 12:04 PM

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The power of titans didn't have to completely. They could have survived with it existing also. Are you telling me it is better to kill 80% of humanity than actually being United and fighting against the world in a fair manner?. Ik war won't end. Conflict won't end. It's obvious but innocents didn't have to die! Eren is wrong.

Apr 9, 2021 12:05 PM

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imbAF said:
Best character in anime. Lelouch is what you think you would get in an idealistic world. Like really all problems end when one person dies? Lmao. Eren is the best MC in manga. Dude was bound to die and still choose to fight for freedom

What type of copium you have to think eren is remotely better than lelouch. Zero Requiem was an attempt to break the existing hate chain but humanity will always create new cycles literally the same ending as AoT. The only freedom eren ever had was the death he got since he’s bounded by fate to do horrible acts against his loved ones. Comparing eren to classics MC is just an insults as it’s shown what a shallow character he is thus making the whole tatake looks more like a joke.

Apr 9, 2021 12:07 PM

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LustKamisama said:

imbAF said:
Best character in anime. Lelouch is what you think you would get in an idealistic world. Like really all problems end when one person dies? Lmao. Eren is the best MC in manga. Dude was bound to die and still choose to fight for freedom

What type of copium you have to think eren is remotely better than lelouch. Zero Requiem was an attempt to break the existing hate chain but humanity will always create new cycles literally the same ending as AoT. The only freedom eren ever had was the death he got since he’s bounded by fate to do horrible acts against his loved ones. Comparing eren to classics MC is just an insults as it’s shown what a shallow character he is making the whole tatake looks more like a joke.

EXACTLY! When he was talking about fighting and moving forward he looked so sure about himself and in the end ended up saying he didn't even fucking know why he did all this. Yams ruined his character development. It became Nothing

Apr 9, 2021 12:11 PM

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revapathak said:

He could have not done the rumbling. Instead he and the people of paradis could have joined together and fight the world. That would have been better. But no,he had to do this shit. He wasn't even forced. Ymir just showed him the path and he himself chose to walk on it. If he would've rather fought the world instead of rumbling 80% of the earth,things would have made sense. Armin thanking eren for becoming a mass murdered. Lol you think Armin would EVER do that? Would he ever be selfish enough to thank his friend for rumbling the world do that just Eren's friends could stay safe? No.
Sasha also died for NOTHING.

He need to do the rumbling so he could reach freedom and end the titans. Wasn't it stated multiple times? We saw what Paradis military wanted to do. Let Eren get eaten so somebody else gets the titan. Saying to join together is a little bit rough considering the people themselves where divided on what to do next. Yes he chose his own way that Ymir showed him, yet both where ironically slaves to themselves. Kenny said it. Everybody gets high on something so they can cope with it. Erens mind was all over the place after the 4 year timeskip. He's said it himself in 139.
Yes, the line from Armin surely was rough and not handled perfectly by Yams.

Pretty sure he didn't need to kill ton and ton of innocent civilians to reach this goal. Destroying military forces and weapons would have done the same and probably ended with the same result nevertheless.

Apr 9, 2021 12:22 PM

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both, he killed 80% of humanity but he also saved humanity from the titan powers forever

Apr 9, 2021 12:26 PM

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To give you an actual answer unlike practically everyone else here: Eren is the protagonist and will always be the protagonist simply because he's the main character. No character can be both a protagonist and an antagonist, those are antonyms. I'm not sure if you were confused between protagonist and antagonist as opposed to hero and villain (or something similar). If that was your question, Eren would most likely fit an anti-hero role.

Apr 9, 2021 12:31 PM

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SilverLeo said:

He need to do the rumbling so he could reach freedom and end the titans. Wasn't it stated multiple times? We saw what Paradis military wanted to do. Let Eren get eaten so somebody else gets the titan. Saying to join together is a little bit rough considering the people themselves where divided on what to do next. Yes he chose his own way that Ymir showed him, yet both where ironically slaves to themselves. Kenny said it. Everybody gets high on something so they can cope with it. Erens mind was all over the place after the 4 year timeskip. He's said it himself in 139.
Yes, the line from Armin surely was rough and not handled perfectly by Yams.

Pretty sure he didn't need to kill ton and ton of innocent civilians to reach this goal. Destroying military forces and weapons would have done the same and probably ended with the same result nevertheless.

Well he did want to kill them. All of them. But he also wanted to get stopped by his friends so they can look like the heros, but that was more like a hope he had. Hence why he said he didn't know himself. His mind was in it's own rumbling. Going out there to kill them all was the thing that was need to be done so that he could archive freedom, yet deep down he knew that it is the worst thing to do, but seeing what would happen if he did nothing, hence see the Mikasa/Eren dream/AU where if he would have ran away with her all of Paradis would have been doomed together with his friends. He had no choice, he simply made a bet like Erwin who also didn't know if it always would work out.

Apr 9, 2021 12:45 PM

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SilverLeo said:

el3mel said:

Pretty sure he didn't need to kill ton and ton of innocent civilians to reach this goal. Destroying military forces and weapons would have done the same and probably ended with the same result nevertheless.

Well he did want to kill them. All of them. But he also wanted to get stopped by his friends so they can look like the heros, but that was more like a hope he had. Hence why he said he didn't know himself. His mind was in it's own rumbling. Going out there to kill them all was the thing that was need to be done so that he could archive freedom, yet deep down he knew that it is the worst thing to do, but seeing what would happen if he did nothing, hence see the Mikasa/Eren dream/AU where if he would have ran away with her all of Paradis would have been doomed together with his friends. He had no choice, he simply made a bet like Erwin who also didn't know if it always would work out.

He didn't achieve freedom, though, did he ? The last chapter implied that he was just a puppet for Ymir moving on the path she chose for him all along so that Mikasa kills him and frees Ymir from her agony of love. When asked about the rumbling he couldn't even find a reason for why he did it. His reasoning ended up coming so weak and unexplainable which hurts the his character and plot, and his plan didn't really solve anything bar the titan power vanishing. The peace negotiation might as well fail because it's implied Paradis hate all the peace ambassadors and consider them traitors and they have been preparing their army for any upcoming war. The world seems like far from peace, all honestly.

Apr 9, 2021 12:59 PM

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he just ends up dying .. and becoming a bird .. nothing more

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Apr 9, 2021 1:02 PM

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SilverLeo said:

Well he did want to kill them. All of them. But he also wanted to get stopped by his friends so they can look like the heros, but that was more like a hope he had. Hence why he said he didn't know himself. His mind was in it's own rumbling. Going out there to kill them all was the thing that was need to be done so that he could archive freedom, yet deep down he knew that it is the worst thing to do, but seeing what would happen if he did nothing, hence see the Mikasa/Eren dream/AU where if he would have ran away with her all of Paradis would have been doomed together with his friends. He had no choice, he simply made a bet like Erwin who also didn't know if it always would work out.

He didn't achieve freedom, though, did he ? The last chapter implied that he was just a puppet for Ymir moving on the path she chose for him all along so that Mikasa kills him and frees Ymir from her agony of love. When asked about the rumbling he couldn't even find a reason for why he did it. His reasoning ended up coming so weak and unexplainable which hurts the his character and plot, and his plan didn't really solve anything bar the titan power vanishing. The peace negotiation might as well fail because it's implied Paradis hate all the peace ambassadors and consider them traitors and they have been preparing their army for any upcoming war. The world seems like far from peace, all honestly.

Well he got freed by Mikasa. Both Ymir and Eren are free after Mikasa goes through with it. The rumbling is something both wanted to do. Ymir even more then Eren. If Eren truly killed off everyone bar Eldians than Yams would be telling us that genocide is the right thing to do or do i see it wrong? He gave us an somewhat "realistic ending" where Armin and co become ambassadors for Paradis. Armin just become the "Hero" at the end, so the world is giving his case a chance since he killed the enemy. It was even foreshadowed that Armin would be the "Hero". Well I acknowledge that Yams but himself in a extremely difficutl position. We will only find out more when the interview releases in June which he will do with the magazine.

Apr 9, 2021 1:03 PM

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el3mel said:

SilverLeo said:

Well he did want to kill them. All of them. But he also wanted to get stopped by his friends so they can look like the heros, but that was more like a hope he had. Hence why he said he didn't know himself. His mind was in it's own rumbling. Going out there to kill them all was the thing that was need to be done so that he could archive freedom, yet deep down he knew that it is the worst thing to do, but seeing what would happen if he did nothing, hence see the Mikasa/Eren dream/AU where if he would have ran away with her all of Paradis would have been doomed together with his friends. He had no choice, he simply made a bet like Erwin who also didn't know if it always would work out.

He didn't achieve freedom, though, did he ? The last chapter implied that he was just a puppet for Ymir moving on the path she chose for him all along so that Mikasa kills him and frees Ymir from her agony of love. When asked about the rumbling he couldn't even find a reason for why he did it. His reasoning ended up coming so weak and unexplainable which hurts the his character and plot, and his plan didn't really solve anything bar the titan power vanishing. The peace negotiation might as well fail because it's implied Paradis hate all the peace ambassadors and consider them traitors and they have been preparing their army for any upcoming war. The world seems like far from peace, all honestly.

Eren chose the rumbling himself. Ymir just showed him the path. He himself chose to walk on it. He wasn't a puppet but he chose to be one. And that's exactly what ruined hi character. His downfall

Apr 9, 2021 1:08 PM

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SilverLeo said:

el3mel said:

SilverLeo said:

el3mel said:

SilverLeo said:

revapathak said:

SilverLeo said:
Difficult to say, depends on the point of view. But he for sure is a tragic human with a burden on his shoulders that is pretty much unbearable.....

He could have not done the rumbling. Instead he and the people of paradis could have joined together and fight the world. That would have been better. But no,he had to do this shit. He wasn't even forced. Ymir just showed him the path and he himself chose to walk on it. If he would've rather fought the world instead of rumbling 80% of the earth,things would have made sense. Armin thanking eren for becoming a mass murdered. Lol you think Armin would EVER do that? Would he ever be selfish enough to thank his friend for rumbling the world do that just Eren's friends could stay safe? No.
Sasha also died for NOTHING.

He need to do the rumbling so he could reach freedom and end the titans. Wasn't it stated multiple times? We saw what Paradis military wanted to do. Let Eren get eaten so somebody else gets the titan. Saying to join together is a little bit rough considering the people themselves where divided on what to do next. Yes he chose his own way that Ymir showed him, yet both where ironically slaves to themselves. Kenny said it. Everybody gets high on something so they can cope with it. Erens mind was all over the place after the 4 year timeskip. He's said it himself in 139.
Yes, the line from Armin surely was rough and not handled perfectly by Yams.

Pretty sure he didn't need to kill ton and ton of innocent civilians to reach this goal. Destroying military forces and weapons would have done the same and probably ended with the same result nevertheless.

Well he did want to kill them. All of them. But he also wanted to get stopped by his friends so they can look like the heros, but that was more like a hope he had. Hence why he said he didn't know himself. His mind was in it's own rumbling. Going out there to kill them all was the thing that was need to be done so that he could archive freedom, yet deep down he knew that it is the worst thing to do, but seeing what would happen if he did nothing, hence see the Mikasa/Eren dream/AU where if he would have ran away with her all of Paradis would have been doomed together with his friends. He had no choice, he simply made a bet like Erwin who also didn't know if it always would work out.

He didn't achieve freedom, though, did he ? The last chapter implied that he was just a puppet for Ymir moving on the path she chose for him all along so that Mikasa kills him and frees Ymir from her agony of love. When asked about the rumbling he couldn't even find a reason for why he did it. His reasoning ended up coming so weak and unexplainable which hurts the his character and plot, and his plan didn't really solve anything bar the titan power vanishing. The peace negotiation might as well fail because it's implied Paradis hate all the peace ambassadors and consider them traitors and they have been preparing their army for any upcoming war. The world seems like far from peace, all honestly.

Well he got freed by Mikasa. Both Ymir and Eren are free after Mikasa goes through with it. The rumbling is something both wanted to do. Ymir even more then Eren. If Eren truly killed off everyone bar Eldians than Yams would be telling us that genocide is the right thing to do or do i see it wrong? He gave us an somewhat "realistic ending" where Armin and co become ambassadors for Paradis. Armin just become the "Hero" at the end, so the world is giving his case a chance since he killed the enemy. It was even foreshadowed that Armin would be the "Hero". Well I acknowledge that Yams but himself in a extremely difficutl position. We will only find out more when the interview releases in June which he will do with the magazine.

It was just to free Ymir. Eren was used by her for her long plot. I don't think Eren ended up being free at all, he was a slave through and through. Ymir looked like the biggest winner out of all this shitshow, she got what she wanted all along.

He still killed 80% of humanity which is a mass genocide. The point is I find no reason for all these innocents to die for such cause that could have been achieved by other means. The fact that Eren couldn't give a better reasoning for Armin in the chapter than that he "wanted to do it" reflects really poorly on him as a character. This is a man who committed a genocide just because he wanted to, instead of actually finding other solutions, like, as I said, just destroying the armies or threatening the world with a small scale rumbling.

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