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| Great episode. I just noticed that whenever I see their battles, I've been counting their injuries and how much "hospital-time" they'll require and feeling anxious about it ahaha. It's funny cause I don't apply this while watching battle shounen cause anime logic tells me they'll recover quickly. Because this show has emphasised how much time it takes to heal (which more or less aligns with IRL), the pain feels more real? especially given how long Neiru was hospitalised |
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| This episode was a bit awkward. The anime says that the girls are immortal in the dream world but that their wounds reappear in the real world. Ooto Ai was healed of her cut when she crossed a door in the dream world but had it again when she returned to the real world. Neiru was seriously injured and stayed in the hospital for quite a time. But suddenly, Rika suffers nothing when she returns. She was petrified in the dream world and supposedly died at the last episode. It is normal that she survived there, because the anime has already shown that this is how that world works, but she should have been petrified again when she returned to the real world. That was to be expected. But, instead, she suffered no consequence. It seems that things will only have consequences in this story when Shinji Nojima wants to. It's a shame, I was starting to have high expectations thanks to episode 3. Sexist stereotypes don't help either. What is the reason why those cloth beings said those things in the first place? If the girls mistook Momoe for a boy, it would be enough for them to say that Momoe is a girl. Also, at a certain point in the course of the episode I thought that the egg girls fell in love with Momoe because of some peculiarity of the system applied to Momoe, but in fact it was something that happened spontaneously. They just fell in love with Momoe because she looks like a boy. This forces the suspension of disbelief a little too much. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| Felt like a completely rushed episode. I am still interested in what Ai's weapon is supposed to symbolize. Momoe is a very interesting character who uses a spear as a weapon, it looks like it had flags on it as well so maybe she was a cheerleader of some sort? I was wondering when or if we were going to get any male characters getting eggs and now we find out why. mainly 2 different reasons. Sawaki? My guess since she was talking all that model stuff and since her mother used to work in a fashion magazine, Sawaki's name rang a bell. We still need to learn a lot about Neiru as well but we know she is the president of a company lol. |
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| Defo top 5 for me so far this season with vibes heading into the final top 3. Visuals are amazing. Story is both dark and at times refreshing. Characters are shaping up and being filled out. I'm just always curious to see what happens next episode when the current one ends. |
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| I liked this episode more than the last one. The ending of Ai’s fight was really well animated and the traumas of Momoe and her victims were portrayed well. I don’t know how the girls can die in the dreams and not die in real life when injuries are reflected on their bodies after they leave. I hope that gets explained. |
| did not expect to get epic action plus a pretty good ost, but I'm still confused with Sawaki is actually a boy or girl, well so far this is the best episode, hope the next episode is better |
| So the last episode ended with a tragedy cliff hanger. Then this episode we find out it wasn't a cliff hanger, the person we thought was dead just comes back and all the fighting doesn't matter at all. Could this dumpster fire get any worse? |
JanPri said: I don't get it... So she dislikes when people mistake her for a boy, but wears pants and has short hair... It is assumed that she has reasons for looking like this. And the fact that her appearance is different from her real sex makes her uncomfortable. Why - intrigue. |
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| It's nice to see them getting along. I'm sensing a full team up followed by tragedy in their future. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| girl gang assemble! ahhh i love them all so much. (i wonder how they're all so good at fighting in their individual egg worlds) i wonder what neiru's world looks like! amazing sound and animation! my favourite scene was where yuyu's music was playing and the wonderkiller was dancing through the trees, and of course when rika made a reappearance! i am really enjoying this story so far, i can't wait to see where it goes. |
strawberaetaeFeb 2, 2021 3:01 PM
| Damn, I love me some more of those action scenes. They were quite impressive. Also, that crazy fan thing surely looked like a Toxapex. So, we get to see the introduction of the 4th girl, Momoe Sawaki. It's a little bit sus that she has the same surname as the Ai's teacher, but it could also mean nothing at all, mere coincidence. Time will tell.. Momoe seems to have her own struggles, as one would come to expect after being 4 episodes into this show. She really has this tomboyish appearence and girls seem to mistake her for a boy, which led to some of them to fall in love with her. Even the girls from the eggs. The scene between Momoe and the girl who she's fighting for, is quite the interesting scene. They were both wearing the girl's school uniform and Momoe is now more dressed like a boy. I wonder if that was on her own free will or was it forced on her? Or does she just dress like that outside of school, which leads to her being mistaken for a boy. Let's see if they will dive deeper into that next week. I loved that moment of all 4 girls laughing together, that was pretty cute. |
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Ryoketsu said: This episode was a bit awkward. The anime says that the girls are immortal in the dream world but that their wounds reappear in the real world. Ooto Ai was healed of her cut when she crossed a door in the dream world but had it again when she returned to the real world. Neiru was seriously injured and stayed in the hospital for quite a time. But suddenly, Rika suffers nothing when she returns. She was petrified in the dream world and supposedly died at the last episode. It is normal that she survived there, because the anime has already shown that this is how that world works, but she should have been petrified again when she returned to the real world. That was to be expected. But, instead, she suffered no consequence. It seems that things will only have consequences in this story when Shinji Nojima wants to. It's a shame, I was starting to have high expectations thanks to episode 3. Sexist stereotypes don't help either. What is the reason why those cloth beings said those things in the first place? If the girls mistook Momoe for a boy, it would be enough for them to say that Momoe is a girl. Also, at a certain point in the course of the episode I thought that the egg girls fell in love with Momoe because of some peculiarity of the system applied to Momoe, but in fact it was something that happened spontaneously. They just fell in love with Momoe because she looks like a boy. This forces the suspension of disbelief a little too much. She just got petrified. We don't know if that counted as killing her. The thing is, she didn't suffer any injurie from physicall contact, thus not needing Ryoketsu said: This episode was a bit awkward. The anime says that the girls are immortal in the dream world but that their wounds reappear in the real world. Ooto Ai was healed of her cut when she crossed a door in the dream world but had it again when she returned to the real world. Neiru was seriously injured and stayed in the hospital for quite a time. But suddenly, Rika suffers nothing when she returns. She was petrified in the dream world and supposedly died at the last episode. It is normal that she survived there, because the anime has already shown that this is how that world works, but she should have been petrified again when she returned to the real world. That was to be expected. But, instead, she suffered no consequence. It seems that things will only have consequences in this story when Shinji Nojima wants to. It's a shame, I was starting to have high expectations thanks to episode 3. Sexist stereotypes don't help either. What is the reason why those cloth beings said those things in the first place? If the girls mistook Momoe for a boy, it would be enough for them to say that Momoe is a girl. Also, at a certain point in the course of the episode I thought that the egg girls fell in love with Momoe because of some peculiarity of the system applied to Momoe, but in fact it was something that happened spontaneously. They just fell in love with Momoe because she looks like a boy. This forces the suspension of disbelief a little too much. The trick may be physicall damage done by physicall touch. Maybe the petrification was not a way of killing her, but to stop her. The monster doesn't try this again, so we can speculate that just physicall damage remains. Additionally, they jump like crazy, and don't suffer from knee pain once they return. |
| A detective who uses his deductive powers to corner a suspect and then does nothing to stop them from committing suicide is no better than a murderer himself - Kudo Shinichi |
| Okay , so we are introduced to side characters more , it's okay , I still enjoyed it ,but i hope the author won't forget that this anime is psychological at first episode . Hope the side characters won't stole Ai development screentime |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
RobertBobert said: Finally, we will get at least some material other than "she looks androgynous, and the author wrote about LGBTQ earlier, so she trans" before. Well, with a small caveat - this is far from the first anime about a real or not gender theme, at least 1-2 years ago there have already been several. @deg Everything makes sense in context, and in order to understand a particular trope, you must first understand its context. Just because she's androgynous doesn't make her trans or lesbian in and of itself. Not to mention the fact that the tomboy is not attached to any sexuality. She can be a lesbian and a tomboy as well. YES, and this is something I always keep an eye on: the words used. When Ura and Aca talks about no boys are allowed in their “realm” they use the word SEIBETSU, that word is close to SEX/GENDER as a binary system itself, they have a word for gender that is quite new (like in the 90’s aprox) that is JENDA, it is obvious the relation with the word gender and the rising of the globalized world (vaporwave who? Jajaj). They have an older term for Non binar/queer : X-jenda. So, Ura and aca talks about no boys allowed but they talk about SEIBETSU, and then they say something confusing ( i need to rewatch it) about it doesn’t matter the gender o something? And then Rika mocks on Neiru and telling her “-don’t discreminate” and “don’t be transphobic”? Like what? So to make myself clear, i don’t know if they admit anyone that identify as girl. But then Momo comes with xer identity dilemma, is Momo a girl? A boy? Maybe an X-jenda folk? A Tomboy? A Butch lesbian? A “only-a-phase” to “being a girly-girl”? At the end, Momo refers as BOKU, that is a masculine dialect yo refer to one self as a boy, and ai and the girls misgendered him but tries not to when Momo almost cries (ai don’t know all Momo’s struggle) . The scene is so sweet and potent! Then either way, if Momo comes out as, lets suppose, being a boy, then what Ura and Aca talks about only admitting girls, would fall off. I hope the script don’t go to the obvious biologist idea of a “female body” to tap all the gender problematic they are putting in the table for Momo’s character. But Ura and Aca seems like they are “playing “ with the central cast like Kyubey vibes are thereee. So confusing but either way love everything done so far. |
| Fight scenes again top notch. "Sawaki" now wait just a goddamn minute- |
| This is not your planet to rule. The Fallen shall rise again. |
| I think some of you are expecting a bit much from a country that still doesn't allow same-sex marriage. |
deg said: nice so the immortality plot is not forgotten lol i thought Rika will be petrified until the enemy is defeated by Ai but i guess not since ye they are immortal like episode 1 shows Momo is a lesbian but not a tomboy i guess i wonder what Ai remembers by the name Sawaki though in the end and the action sakuga is awesome again Sawaki is This is not exactly a spoiler because the name and the character were already shown but just to be sure. |
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| Nice episode, man these backstories get darker every episode... Sawaki comes across as a tomboyish girl, very masculine but seems to find it irritating to be considered a male. Out of safety, rather wait until i see more of her backstory to truly confirm whether she is a "Trap" or a tomboyish girl. Likely the latter at the moment but until next week! |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
| Another great episode - I'm really enjoying the suspense of the anime. I personally saw Momoe as an AFAB girl who is simply hiding her femininity and is scared to accept it because people around her refused to accept it too, focusing on her masculine appearance instead. Therefore, she eventually decided to go along with this vision, hiding her true self. I guess, I can see the arguments for her being a transgirl, but then it would be strange for her to try to sound more masculine while her actual voice appears to be more feminine. Also, it's rare for biological men to not have adam's apple, it would be more likely for her to get chondrolaryngoplasty to remove it. But that's borderline impossible in her age, unless underlying health condition. She says things like 'masculine style fits me better', so it seems to be more about her ways of presenting herself rather than her gender identity. Also, she was wearing a female school uniform in her flashback. Hard to imagine that happening anywhere in a Japanese school, they really aren't that inclusive at all lol. So I'm leaning more towards a cisgirl who has a trauma and a strong feeling of self-consciousness because people didn't accept her for who she is and wants to be. I also doubt whether she is interested in girls romantically. The scene from her flashback seemed force and didn't feel mutual at all. Doesn't help that she remembered it when fighting the sexual abuser dude. Moreover, she never reciprocates any of the girls' feelings. On the other side, she was quick to point out that adam's apples are hot. Maybe she was just trying to fit in. Or she might actually be straight or asexual, and this was the reason she rejected that girl from her memories, thus pushing her to commit suicide. That said, there is another interesting detail. The monster Momoe was fighting at the end was an angry lady who refused to let her inside the women-only carriage. Of course, this hurt Momoe, but also this "nightmare" belongs to the girl who Momoe was protecting in that dream. For the previous girl, it was her abuser, for the idol's fans it was their "crazy obsessed rival", and previously we had an abusive trainer. The girl who Momoe was protecting appears to be, well, a girly girl. She doesn't have masculine features and style, compared to Momoe. So why is she traumatised by a lady who is stopping men from entering the women-only carriages? Perhaps, this girl is actually transgender and that's why she was scared of the woman who would force her to board the mixed carriage instead, claiming that she is 'a man'. This could explain her suicide as well as why she is more open towards Momoe's gender identity when she finds out about it. |
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| Momo thinks adam's apple is sexy. So she's not a lesbian. Maybe bi, who knows? Or maybe she's straight but girls think she's not because they're too focused on her masculinity or something? Well, not that I care about a character's sexuality. She's a sweet girl. She's most probably not a transgender either. Idk where how did people come up with that. Ai saying "a crying girl who looks like a model" was super cute. She's adorable as always. However, even though the characters are nice and the art is phenomenal, after 4 eps, I still don't find myself invested in the story at all. Especially the egg world full of symbolism is just a bunch of extremely flashy and pretty yet boring scenes for me. She's been shouting and hitting the Persona 5 bosses for 4 episodes straight now... I'll watch a few more episodes to see if the story picks up. |
bluninjaFeb 2, 2021 4:10 PM
| If you read Eleceed you're automatically my friend. |
| is it too early to already score this a 10? the visuals are beautiful and I cant wait for the story to develop more aaaaaaaaa |
No matter who much you regret or wish, if you couldn't do something in life, you can't do it after death, either. - Hanako |
| Finally they meet each other |
| Moe is Love ! Moe is Life ! |
 Momoe is a player but Ai has some game too... |
| Momoe seems visibly uncomfortable whenever another girl hits on her or whenever someone points out how boyish she looks. My guess is that her friend killed herself because she was in love with her but Momoe had to reject her because she isn't into that. Now she dresses up like a boy because she thinks it's her fault that her friend died and wants to make sure that no other girls like her friend end up the same way. It's really sad, honestly, I wish that she wouldn't blame herself for it. Nonetheless, she was very happy when Ai said she looks like a girl, and earlier she said "I'm a girl!" to that ghost monster. I believe that people who says "trans allegory" and the like are looking into it way too much. On a different note, I'm glad that Rika ain't dead, she's my favorite so far. |
| I guess we had a little plot hole in this episode. In the 1st episode Ai had her waist injured, automatic healed in the dreamworld, but become real after her return to real life. Now Rika was severely injured, she become a statue! Then healed herself in the dream... but no consequences in real life? Which is the logic? The rules are so flexible? How convenient. |
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| Nice episode again today. I enjoyed episode 3 more but I think this was good and momoe seems like a pretty interesting character so far. Rika's dog thing was really cute lol |
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| ...and the final member of the team has been introduced! Momoe Sawaki! Not going to lie I thought she was a he when I first saw her, glad to see Rika is all right! Totally forgot that they're immortal in this world. Another really great fight, the animation is on-point as always. This episode is interesting as it focuses more on sexual harassment and it seems Sawaki is facing some troubles of her own as well, she's a very interesting character so far and seeing all four of them laughing at the end was nice to see. |
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| good episode once again new girl has shown up was wondering from some of the tells if they were going with her being trans regardless seems like shes going through some gender identity problems we'll see how they handle it because man this show keeps adding on even more topics i hope it lands them all. will say that line about suicide between genders came off as a mix bag at least the ending was wholesome af not sure how often that will stay with everything else lol |
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Lesbihonest, this is getting more interesting. All of them have different personalities, but they're all the same, same goal of saving someone dear to them. |
| Man, seeing Momoe so troubled to the point of crying really moved me. It's impressive how the writer managed to make me feel this invested with all these characters in so little time. Fantastic episode. As for Momoe and considering, if I'm not mistaken, that the writer has written about trans-gender characters before, I was thinking she was one (a boy who feels and wants to be seen as a girl) but towards the end of the episode, I'm assuming she's just a girl with "boyish" looks. I also guess she might be straight but feels conflicted about other girls falling in love with her due to her masculine appearance and as a result, feels the need to try and fill their expectations, thus the "boy clothes". This last part might also be related to the reason as for why her classmate ended up committing suicide so I look forward to knowing more about her background next week. |
SouthRzVaFeb 2, 2021 10:01 PM
OgiDaWogi said: Momoe seems visibly uncomfortable whenever another girl hits on her or whenever someone points out how boyish she looks. My guess is that her friend killed herself because she was in love with her but Momoe had to reject her because she isn't into that. Now she dresses up like a boy because she thinks it's her fault that her friend died and wants to make sure that no other girls like her friend end up the same way. It's really sad, honestly, I wish that she wouldn't blame herself for it. Nonetheless, she was very happy when Ai said she looks like a girl, and earlier she said "I'm a girl!" to that ghost monster. I believe that people who says "trans allegory" and the like are looking into it way too much. On a different note, I'm glad that Rika ain't dead, she's my favorite so far. By the way, this is just my speculation, but I'm afraid that if when Momoe frees her, they become a couple as a forced happy ending, it will look like an excuse for suicide as a way to get your wish. @milla_nee-san Um, in that context, it turns out that the show is just using the trans character as a loophole to add a male character to the show and talk about gender equality without adding an actual biological male character. I hate to think that such a show is still worried about otaku pandering. |
RobertBobertFeb 3, 2021 12:02 AM
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2077 said: its pretty implied. i'll show you my reasoning and leave it up to your judgement. although, we'll most likely find out about this stuff next week anyway. regardless, i have 3 examples (including the one i posted before) theres also the scene where she looks in the glass and starts crying, and where when she talks to ai and asks how she looks, she changes the pronoun for herself from "boku" to "watashi". but idk ur free to think whatever u want, in the end its still speculation; im just presenting some reasoning and logic behind my thoughts. I thought about this too but, it could also be a red herring. Tall girls can have broad shoulders. The girl she was hugging was basically half her size. Referring to herself as masculine, as opposed to feminine, could be her way of reinforcing her masculine persona. My speculation is that; In the flashback with her touching the girls chest and asking Momoe to "touch me" eventually wound up being a confession of sorts. Momoe probably didn't reciprocate because she wasn't interested in being in a relationship with another girl, thus the friend decided to commit suicide. Now in the present, she decides to dress and act more masculine because she probably feels resentment and guilt towards being the reason behind the friends death. I do find it interesting seeing how everyone is perceiving different things in the show. Next week can not come fast enough. |
| Great episode, just like the previous ones. This scene was wholesome ngl  Acca's pov about suicide was not correct and it was never intended to be correct. I think his thoughts are mostly what society thinks about these girls/suicidal people, and in most cases, those are flawed, sexist and biased. Momo is a quite interesting character imo.She's kinda androgynous,and doesn't like it when people label her more as a "male". But people around us can be stereotypical. I don't know how are people getting the idea that she was in love with girls. For me, there was no hint supporting this, rather she looked kinda bothered by everyone's compliment about her handsome appreance. Also there's a good possibility that Momo is that teacher's daughter or something. Things are gonna get more interesting, I hope. |
Sb98Feb 3, 2021 1:37 AM
Sb98 said: Great episode, just like the previous ones. This scene was wholesome ngl Acca's pov about suicide was not correct and it was never intended to be correct. I think his thoughts are mostly what society thinks about these girls/suicidal people, and in most cases, those are flawed, sexist and biased. Momo is a quite interesting character imo.She's kinda androgynous,and doesn't like it when people label her more as a "male". But people around us can be stereotypical. I don't know how are people getting the idea that she was in love with girls. For me, there was no hint supporting this, rather she looked kinda bothered by everyone's compliment about her handsome appreance. Also there's a good possibility that Momo is that teacher's daughter or something. Things are gonna get more interesting, I hope. There was this instance where momo said "you arent the only one who said you loved me" and there was like a flashback scene and that kinda leads to a particular kind of thinking where one would think that the love they both had for each other is mutual since she is trying to save her you know |
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