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Dec 13, 2019 9:52 AM
#1
I'll normally say if it was any other season of Sao that it is well rated. Even for alicization part 1, I thought that a 7.7 would be good enough. But for this season it seems criminally underrated. With good characters with backstories, great animation and a good enough story it should be at least an 8.2 by mal standards. Cuz mha 4 on the other hand in spite of doing nothing has 8.25. So do you all think that the rating will increase when the season ends (cuz 170,000 people isn't really the the number of members who love and it is much more than that)? |
Biswa_29Dec 14, 2019 12:28 PM
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Dec 13, 2019 10:21 AM
#2
Yes, it's extremely underrated IMO This might be the best SAO season so far, yet look at the score. I mean, 7.88 is not bad in general, but considering much worse anime have (much) higher than this, it should be at least 8. People are simply down voting this season because it's SAO. If it was the new season of any other anime, it would be around 8.2 |
-Aincrad-Dec 13, 2019 10:57 AM
Dec 13, 2019 10:54 AM
#3
-Aincrad- said: Yes, it's extremely underrated IMO This might be the best SAO season so far, yet look at the score. I been, 7.88 is not bad in general, but considering much worse anime have (much) higher than this, it should be at least 8. People are simply down voting this season because it's SAO. If it was the new season of any other anime, it would be around 8.2 Yeah that's partly a reason. But I guess by the time this season ends, all the people will rate it. It'll also have the desired reviews by popular anime YouTubers and have its rating increased. I hope so? Edit: Cause the only things bad about this season are the villain and the goddamn poster. I mean this season has literally dozens of characters but show only three of them and a vague unwatchable face of Gabriel out of which only 1 is gonna be relatable in all the episodes. That's awful. Whenever I see it, it irritates the fuck out of me! |
Biswa_29Dec 13, 2019 11:19 AM
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Dec 13, 2019 12:39 PM
#4
biswa290701 said: I'll normally say if it was any other season of Sao that it is well rated. Even for alicization part 1, I thought that a 7.7 would be good enough. But for this season it seems criminally underrated. With good characters with backstories, great animation and a good enough story it should be at least an 8.2 by mal standards. Cuz mha on the other hand in spite of doing nothing has 8.25. So do you all think that the rating will increase when the season ends (cuz 170,000 people isn't really the the number of members who love and it is much more than that)? The current season mainly consists of action and good animation. The characters weren't introduced well, especially their background story was explained in just a few minutes, see Dakira. The antagonists are just cold-blooded killers who just want to kill more people. If you compare it to FMA, Death Note or Code Geass, then 7.88 is still way too high. Mind you, Alicization is a copy of the Aincrad and Fairy-Dance Arc. Another important remark, good animations do not make a masterpiece. An original plot and elaborate characters are much more important. |
Dec 13, 2019 1:32 PM
#5
From my point of view, the previous season is underrated as well, considering MAL scores’ standard, it could easily be an 8.3 or more. However, you knoe, there’s SAO in the name. That’s what I think. “It’s a copy of Aincrad and Fairy Dance”, it’s a completely wrong statement, the word copy has a meaning and for the meaning itself of the word, Alicization can’t be a copy. It’s a completely different story, with absolutely different goals and development. I can’t disagree more with that statement. |
Dec 13, 2019 1:40 PM
#6
there is no Kirito being a god like he usually does thats why |
Dec 13, 2019 1:56 PM
#7
Overrated. I don’t even know where the hell they are trying to with this. They introduce characters and then shelve them. Very disappointing + recycled plot. |
Dec 13, 2019 1:59 PM
#8
HectorBlaze said: From my point of view, the previous season is underrated as well, considering MAL scores’ standard, it could easily be an 8.3 or more. However, you knoe, there’s SAO in the name. That’s what I think. “It’s a copy of Aincrad and Fairy Dance”, it’s a completely wrong statement, the word copy has a meaning and for the meaning itself of the word, Alicization can’t be a copy. It’s a completely different story, with absolutely different goals and development. I can’t disagree more with that statement. In Aincrad and Underworld, Kirito has to "climb" 100 floors. In Fairy Dance and Underworld, one of the protagonists is in a "coma" and will be saved with the power of love, and the anatgonist is again a psychopath. Maybe not a copy, but very similar arcs and my argument will not fail with one word. For me, Alicization is a reboot from SAO. |
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Dec 13, 2019 2:07 PM
#9
Darikan said: HectorBlaze said: From my point of view, the previous season is underrated as well, considering MAL scores’ standard, it could easily be an 8.3 or more. However, you knoe, there’s SAO in the name. That’s what I think. “It’s a copy of Aincrad and Fairy Dance”, it’s a completely wrong statement, the word copy has a meaning and for the meaning itself of the word, Alicization can’t be a copy. It’s a completely different story, with absolutely different goals and development. I can’t disagree more with that statement. In Aincrad and Underworld, Kirito has to "climb" 100 floors. In Fairy Dance and Underworld, one of the protagonists is in a "coma" and will be saved with the power of love, and the anatgonist is again a psychopath. Maybe not a copy, but very similar arcs and my argument will not fail with one word. For me, Alicization is a reboot from SAO. In Alicization there are no floors to climb and there isn’t a progression like in Aincrad, so I don’t understand where’s the point. So, considering that, is the fact Asuna and Kirito were in comatose state enough to consider Alicization similar to the other arcs? I think it isn’t enough. There are similar things but say that the arc is similar is a completely differint thing and from my point of view it isn’t correct. |
Dec 13, 2019 2:26 PM
#10
HectorBlaze said: Darikan said: HectorBlaze said: From my point of view, the previous season is underrated as well, considering MAL scores’ standard, it could easily be an 8.3 or more. However, you knoe, there’s SAO in the name. That’s what I think. “It’s a copy of Aincrad and Fairy Dance”, it’s a completely wrong statement, the word copy has a meaning and for the meaning itself of the word, Alicization can’t be a copy. It’s a completely different story, with absolutely different goals and development. I can’t disagree more with that statement. In Aincrad and Underworld, Kirito has to "climb" 100 floors. In Fairy Dance and Underworld, one of the protagonists is in a "coma" and will be saved with the power of love, and the anatgonist is again a psychopath. Maybe not a copy, but very similar arcs and my argument will not fail with one word. For me, Alicization is a reboot from SAO. In Alicization there are no floors to climb and there isn’t a progression like in Aincrad, so I don’t understand where’s the point. So, considering that, is the fact Asuna and Kirito were in comatose state enough to consider Alicization similar to the other arcs? I think it isn’t enough. There are similar things but say that the arc is similar is a completely differint thing and from my point of view it isn’t correct. Then what is that? https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/swordartonline/images/a/ac/Vol_14_-_008.png/revision/latest?cb=20160607184441 |
Dec 13, 2019 2:34 PM
#11
Are that the same kind of floors of Aincrad for you? To me is a completely different thing, those are the floors of a simply tower, floors in Aincrad are a completely different things, they were like different “worlds”. As you can see by watching the series there isn’t any progression like it was in Aincrad. I really wasn’t thinking you was referring to the floors in a material sense. From my point of view, nothing has changed. My last statement is the same now. However, it was funny to understand you was mentioning the floors in a material way xD By the way, with “material sense”, I mean the presence itself of the floors. |
HectorBlazeDec 13, 2019 2:38 PM
Dec 13, 2019 3:15 PM
#13
By MAL standards, yeah. Even Shokugeki no PowerPoint slide that declined ages ago is higher than this lol |
Dec 13, 2019 6:52 PM
#14
biswa290701 said: I'll normally say if it was any other season of Sao that it is well rated. Even for alicization part 1, I thought that a 7.7 would be good enough. But for this season it seems criminally underrated. With good characters with backstories, great animation and a good enough story it should be at least an 8.2 by mal standards. Cuz mha on the other hand in spite of doing nothing has 8.25. So do you all think that the rating will increase when the season ends (cuz 170,000 people isn't really the the number of members who love and it is much more than that)? Don't compare BNHA masterpiece with SAO, BNHA S4 is only massively downvoted below 8.40 like that because the recap episode, if we exclude that recap episode BNHA S4 is anime of the year! |
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Dec 13, 2019 9:21 PM
#15
Darikan said: biswa290701 said: I'll normally say if it was any other season of Sao that it is well rated. Even for alicization part 1, I thought that a 7.7 would be good enough. But for this season it seems criminally underrated. With good characters with backstories, great animation and a good enough story it should be at least an 8.2 by mal standards. Cuz mha on the other hand in spite of doing nothing has 8.25. So do you all think that the rating will increase when the season ends (cuz 170,000 people isn't really the the number of members who love and it is much more than that)? The current season mainly consists of action and good animation. The characters weren't introduced well, especially their background story was explained in just a few minutes, see Dakira. The antagonists are just cold-blooded killers who just want to kill more people. If you compare it to FMA, Death Note or Code Geass, then 7.88 is still way too high. Mind you, Alicization is a copy of the Aincrad and Fairy-Dance Arc. Another important remark, good animations do not make a masterpiece. An original plot and elaborate characters are much more important. I'm not comparing to those masterpieces. I'm comparing mha 4 or food wars 4 cuz I think this time Sao has been way better than those 2 animes but still has a way lesser rating. So a good rating would be something between 8-8.2 according to mal standards where many crap animes are rated above 8. |
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Dec 13, 2019 9:40 PM
#16
VitorLeiteAncap said: biswa290701 said: I'll normally say if it was any other season of Sao that it is well rated. Even for alicization part 1, I thought that a 7.7 would be good enough. But for this season it seems criminally underrated. With good characters with backstories, great animation and a good enough story it should be at least an 8.2 by mal standards. Cuz mha on the other hand in spite of doing nothing has 8.25. So do you all think that the rating will increase when the season ends (cuz 170,000 people isn't really the the number of members who love and it is much more than that)? Don't compare BNHA masterpiece with SAO, BNHA S4 is only massively downvoted below 8.40 like that because the recap episode, if we exclude that recap episode BNHA S4 is anime of the year! Hey, hey. The meat of the season will be in 2020 so it can't be the anime of the year in 2019. Till now, it has just been boring with a lot of development. It's the same case as Sao alicization part 1. Cour 1 was a lot boring but people started paying attention to it in cour 2 where the intensity rose, in 2019. And thus, suddenly the comments, "hey pal, Sao is suddenly good" from the haters. 😂 |
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Dec 13, 2019 10:17 PM
#17
I am surprised that people like anything besides the first twelve episodes of SAO. The last half of the first season and all the rest is pretty much crap. I wish they did a remake to the 100th floor instead of the bullshit made nowadays. |
Dec 13, 2019 11:27 PM
#18
Gho3st said: I am surprised that people like anything besides the first twelve episodes of SAO. The last half of the first season and all the rest is pretty much crap. I wish they did a remake to the 100th floor instead of the bullshit made nowadays. This season is good enough with Alice as the mc. She is now one of my favourites on mal. Though Sao progressive is an ongoing light novel and manga which expands on the aincrad arc a lot going floor by floor. It also the highest rating of 8.40 of any Sao media on mal. It'll probably get an anime adaptation soon and if it happens, it'll be quite a long one. Probably 300 episodes. Let's hope it'll be ufotable to do it. We all can dream. 😂 |
Biswa_29Dec 13, 2019 11:36 PM
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Dec 14, 2019 9:25 AM
#19
The members in this season is one of those underrated animes outthere. yeah This season is extremely underrated, i know people from the first season who used to be a fan and says they don't give a single fuck about alicization. whatever people say that it's better than s1. yeah i find it pretty ironic too. for me i would say s1 is still iconic. |
Dec 14, 2019 9:28 AM
#20
biswa290701 said: I kinda hate the her character tbh. everytime she reminds me of saber. yeah new character but feels like a complete rip off.Gho3st said: I am surprised that people like anything besides the first twelve episodes of SAO. The last half of the first season and all the rest is pretty much crap. I wish they did a remake to the 100th floor instead of the bullshit made nowadays. This season is good enough with Alice as the mc. She is now one of my favourites on mal. Though Sao progressive is an ongoing light novel and manga which expands on the aincrad arc a lot going floor by floor. It also the highest rating of 8.40 of any Sao media on mal. It'll probably get an anime adaptation soon and if it happens, it'll be quite a long one. Probably 300 episodes. Let's hope it'll be ufotable to do it. We all can dream. 😂 |
Dec 14, 2019 11:23 AM
#21
Yes, I think it's very underrated. Alicization has the quality to have an 8+ on both the seasons which are came out until now |
Dec 14, 2019 11:37 AM
#22
Dec 14, 2019 12:34 PM
#23
No it's not. If anything Alicization S1 should be an 8, while this season deserves a <7.5. |
MegaStrideDec 14, 2019 12:43 PM
Dec 14, 2019 5:31 PM
#24
Absolutely not. This Season if anything is overrated. Alicization Season 1 and the Movie even were way better. The War is boring as hell. We have no reason to care. The Dark Territory is a bunch of red-shirts. We know little about the various Integrity Knights and have no reason to care about most of them. There are no stakes because the Dark Territory thus far havnt really been able to dent the Human Empire at all... This Season deserves a 6 at max so far. Its just plain average and boring. Complete step down from Alicization Season 1 |
Dec 14, 2019 7:32 PM
#25
Animeforevry1 said: Complete step down from Alicization Season 1 ' Ah, a man of culture I see. |
Dec 14, 2019 10:07 PM
#26
I see. Opinions about Sao is getting more and more polar. Either it is the best season of Sao or the worst season of Sao. No in between. 😂 |
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Dec 17, 2019 1:34 PM
#27
IMO its the worst SAO season to date, since the other ones were dumb,edgy and generic but still kinda enjoyable. This Seasons quality is still the same, bad characters, shallow dialogue, plotholes etc, but its not as enjoyable since it lacks the laughably dumbness Kirito brought with him. Introduce a character for 1 or 2 episodes, them forget them 2 episodes later they show up when they are needed Now we are left with a dumb Harem i mean look at the last 2 min of ep 10, just Harem talking about Kirito without any reason whatsoever. The first couple Seasons were around 2 or 3 this one is around 1 or 2 score wise. |
-Mullerio-May 15, 2020 6:22 AM
Dec 17, 2019 2:34 PM
#28
It's definitely underrated, but MAL has a huge SAO bias because SAO bad. Alicization is the best arc by far. Great development and characters (such as Eugeo and Alice), interesting world, awesome animation and action, and an engaging story. Alicization definitely feels like a more refined experience from previous seasons. The irrational hate that SAO gets is quite comical. There's nothing worse about it than a typical shounen (which MAL loves apparently). For example, unlike Food Wars, where it hasn't been able to achieve higher heights than its first season and has steadily declined, Alicization shows growth for Reki in terms of his writing and the series has continued to improve. So yes, I feel like it is underrated here on MAL. But places such as r/anime tend to view it in a much more favorable light. It's just the community here that still holds a grudge. |
LoomyTheBrewDec 17, 2019 2:37 PM
Dec 17, 2019 10:21 PM
#29
Mullerio said: IMO its the worst SAO season to date, since the other ones were dumb,edgy and generic but still kinda enjoyable. This Seasons quality is still the same, bad characters, shallow dialogue, plotholes etc, but its not as enjoyable since it lacks the laughably dumbness Kirito brought with him. Introduce a character for 1 or 2 episodes, them forget them 2 episodes later they show up when they are needed, very neat lmao. Now we are left with a dumb Harem i mean look at the last 2 min of ep 10, just Harem talking about Kirito without any reason whatsoever. The first couple Seasons were around 2 or 3 this one is around 1 or 2 score wise. Ep 10 was just a comic relief. It was kinda fillerish as well. So it doesn't really bother me as long as they end it with a kirito-asuna-alice triangle. Alicization has still not ended so I think that those characters will have importance later. It's just their introductory phase. I would rather say reki has handled them pretty well with backstories and stuff. Everyone has a different characteristic as well which makes them enjoyable. For an anime in which you got dozens of characters and got to give the same development to each of them is gotta result in 1-2 eps for all. |
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Dec 17, 2019 10:27 PM
#30
Lel0uchZer0 said: biswa290701 said: I'll normally say if it was any other season of Sao that it is well rated. Even for alicization part 1, I thought that a 7.7 would be good enough. But for this season it seems criminally underrated. With good characters with backstories, great animation and a good enough story it should be at least an 8.2 by mal standards. Cuz mha 4 on the other hand in spite of doing nothing has 8.25. So do you all think that the rating will increase when the season ends (cuz 170,000 people isn't really the the number of members who love and it is much more than that)? First of all i am no fan of my hero but my hero did more in the last 2-3 episodes than sao did in the last 50+ Aside that... the score is fine... i think the only reason it's above 7.5 is because most people who considered it bad stoped watching and only the fanbase remains. The season is not bad but it's still a sequel so it cannot be judged 100% without looking at the past...so i'd say 7.9 is a very good score for it.. it's as good as fate go and fate go was much better Really! I'd say Sao is doing a lot better than my hero this season. Again this season. My hero is just developing the plot whereas Sao is going deep into the plot. Though the conclusion would be in spring. Definitely, one of my favourites this season. |
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Dec 19, 2019 11:56 AM
#31
Every SAO season has an inexplicable amount of hate for whatever reasons. It’s better than most isekai. So yes, this season is extremely underrated, just like the previous one. |
Dec 19, 2019 12:00 PM
#32
with kirito a vegetable in a wheelchair the whole time? no, it's not underrated. score seems right. it's barely SOA so far imo. At least they haven't pivoted to something ridiculous like SOA is so want to do |
Dec 19, 2019 2:11 PM
#33
Funny how the show improves without Kirito and Asuna. More seriously, although I found the first seasons of SAO quite weak and full of fillers (when people stopped risking their lives or enjoyed domestic bliss with a fake daughter), this one seems to me much more enjoyable. The opponents are clearly not just eager to kill humans contrary to what some people argued here because of the many examples of the couple of dark knights, the ogres, the pigs, etc. The chief dark magician is also very coward so we see that she is not some mindless monsters. Most of the characters were already introduced, so I do not really see the issue that weak green-haired knight did not get three episodes. Then yes, most of the show is incredible animation and fights, but this is where SAO can really shine in my opinion. Otherwise, the idea of creating AI's to use them for questionable purposes is probably more interesting than trapping humans in a game, so the philosophical implications of the whole war and general stakes seem much higher to me than previously. With the interesting background of the whole crew fighting to survive, this finally gives some real meaning to the fights. Original SAO did not have much because the main player was an invincible cheater. In a word, I think that the score is deserved, because it is higher than S1 and S2 (first part of Alicization S1 was also very slow, so I am not certain that we can say that this half-season is inferior). Considering the huge amount of hype of many shows this year (SnK S3P2, KnY, etc), I am actually surprised that the score is not above 8.5 here. Maybe thanks to the Chihayafuru's anti-bots countermeasures will the average improve in the future (there is also the mechanical increase at the end; let's see the last two episodes). Note: please do not say quote me or post a comment on my profile to say something like "But KnY's score was deserved". |
Dec 19, 2019 6:29 PM
#34
It's been said, but there are likely many individuals who operate in the same manner as I and consequently do not provide a rating until a series has concluded, thus enabling the ratings left by "Haters" to have a greater effect. Once the series has concluded, judging by the content thus far, I strongly suspect the rating shall increase. |
Dec 19, 2019 6:55 PM
#35
Meusnier said: Funny how the show improves without Kirito and Asuna. More seriously, although I found the first seasons of SAO quite weak and full of fillers (when people stopped risking their lives or enjoyed domestic bliss with a fake daughter), this one seems to me much more enjoyable. The opponents are clearly not just eager to kill humans contrary to what some people argued here because of the many examples of the couple of dark knights, the ogres, the pigs, etc. The chief dark magician is also very coward so we see that she is not some mindless monsters. Most of the characters were already introduced, so I do not really see the issue that weak green-haired knight did not get three episodes. Then yes, most of the show is incredible animation and fights, but this is where SAO can really shine in my opinion. Otherwise, the idea of creating AI's to use them for questionable purposes is probably more interesting than trapping humans in a game, so the philosophical implications of the whole war and general stakes seem much higher to me than previously. With the interesting background of the whole crew fighting to survive, this finally gives some real meaning to the fights. Original SAO did not have much because the main player was an invincible cheater. In a word, I think that the score is deserved, because it is higher than S1 and S2 (first part of Alicization S1 was also very slow, so I am not certain that we can say that this half-season is inferior). Considering the huge amount of hype of many shows this year (SnK S3P2, KnY, etc), I am actually surprised that the score is not above 8.5 here. Maybe thanks to the Chihayafuru's anti-bots countermeasures will the average improve in the future (there is also the mechanical increase at the end; let's see the last two episodes). Note: please do not say quote me or post a comment on my profile to say something like "But KnY's score was deserved". I'll quote you to agree with you. Lol. I agree that kny is overrated. Only the animation and sound areas are 10/10s. Story and character are not. |
Biswa_29Dec 19, 2019 7:00 PM
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Dec 20, 2019 9:49 AM
#36
biswa290701 said: Meusnier said: Funny how the show improves without Kirito and Asuna. More seriously, although I found the first seasons of SAO quite weak and full of fillers (when people stopped risking their lives or enjoyed domestic bliss with a fake daughter), this one seems to me much more enjoyable. The opponents are clearly not just eager to kill humans contrary to what some people argued here because of the many examples of the couple of dark knights, the ogres, the pigs, etc. The chief dark magician is also very coward so we see that she is not some mindless monsters. Most of the characters were already introduced, so I do not really see the issue that weak green-haired knight did not get three episodes. Then yes, most of the show is incredible animation and fights, but this is where SAO can really shine in my opinion. Otherwise, the idea of creating AI's to use them for questionable purposes is probably more interesting than trapping humans in a game, so the philosophical implications of the whole war and general stakes seem much higher to me than previously. With the interesting background of the whole crew fighting to survive, this finally gives some real meaning to the fights. Original SAO did not have much because the main player was an invincible cheater. In a word, I think that the score is deserved, because it is higher than S1 and S2 (first part of Alicization S1 was also very slow, so I am not certain that we can say that this half-season is inferior). Considering the huge amount of hype of many shows this year (SnK S3P2, KnY, etc), I am actually surprised that the score is not above 8.5 here. Maybe thanks to the Chihayafuru's anti-bots countermeasures will the average improve in the future (there is also the mechanical increase at the end; let's see the last two episodes). Note: please do not say quote me or post a comment on my profile to say something like "But KnY's score was deserved". I'll quote you to agree with you. Lol. I agree that kny is overrated. Only the animation and sound areas are 10/10s. Story and character are not. Actually, I added this comment to prevent discussions unrelated to the thread from happening (using a comparison should not degenerate into a debate about the compared object). |
Dec 22, 2019 12:21 PM
#37
Something that bugs me is how in MAL most of votes any series receive are from people who voted before finishes the season. For example, we are near the end of this SAO season and we have 30k votes. But after the third episode, more than 20k MAL users already had voted in the series. That is stupid. Not to mention that the main reviews are made after the first episode. Come on. |
Dec 22, 2019 12:22 PM
#38
Alice is a fugly whore. Kirito deserves better! Signed: Everybody and their mothers! |
Dec 30, 2019 10:37 PM
#39
ellkni said: I think it is funny how if someone does not like something it automatically makes them a hater. I do not like this show very much, thus I gave it a low score. You are entitled to like the show as much as you want and give it whatever score you feel is best, but that does not make the low score I gave it any less relevant.It's been said, but there are likely many individuals who operate in the same manner as I and consequently do not provide a rating until a series has concluded, thus enabling the ratings left by "Haters" to have a greater effect. Once the series has concluded, judging by the content thus far, I strongly suspect the rating shall increase. |
Dec 31, 2019 8:08 AM
#40
Underdeveloped, underworked, underwhelming. |
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Dec 31, 2019 11:24 AM
#41
So the point of character development has always been the weakest in SAO. Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. The problem here is that there are too many superfluous female characters, the only interesting characters with character development in all of SAO are Kirito, Eugeo, Eiji and Bercouli. Some have the potential, but remain only extras. Even though Kawahara has apologized for reintroducing a female hero, he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. SAO: Alicization promises character development, but hardly fulfills this. Kawahara's strengths in being able to describe his respective worlds very well and the appearance of the characters is mostly unique (Klein, Agil, Bercouli, Eldrie, Eiji, Kayaba). The only reasons why this season is rated higher is the art (not the animation) and the music, but for me these two shouldn't dominate a series. |
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Dec 31, 2019 2:16 PM
#42
Darikan said: So the point of character development has always been the weakest in SAO. Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. The problem here is that there are too many superfluous female characters, the only interesting characters with character development in all of SAO are Kirito, Eugeo, Eiji and Bercouli. Some have the potential, but remain only extras. Even though Kawahara has apologized for reintroducing a female hero, he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. SAO: Alicization promises character development, but hardly fulfills this. Kawahara's strengths in being able to describe his respective worlds very well and the appearance of the characters is mostly unique (Klein, Agil, Bercouli, Eldrie, Eiji, Kayaba). The only reasons why this season is rated higher is the art (not the animation) and the music, but for me these two shouldn't dominate a series. Hey Man, I don't give a fuck about SAO's rating tbh, I never rate stuff myself. but you are working on wrong information here. when did Reki Kawahara apologized for "reintroducing a female hero" ? what does this even mean ? The only thing come to my mind is his interview from 2018 or so... And he apologized for having some side character female which were not developed at all and promised he will write the "new SAO Arcs" with females with more agency of their own, unrelated to kirito. What he was referring to in this scene was also Lisbeth and Silica who rarely had any moment to develop and just showed up in a short side story. He even described it in more detail by saying "when I was writing about them, ( Silica and Lisbeth's side story ) I did not really decide any role or what I'm gonna do with them in the future and I see this as my mistake which I want to improve" In fact, he is correct, since Both Silica and Lizbeth were originally in a side story unrelated to main story, and they only got some deban in the main story and became part of the main cast due to huge Fan request and being fan favorites back in webnovels times. Also, this interview was done in 2018, while he finished Alicization Arc in 2008 !!! 10 years before that. He said he try to write the new arc of Main SAO more similar to SAO Progressive which he is writing since 2012. he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. Again, that interview said "for later Arcs" so only Unital Ring Arc works. And no, in newest Arc he is not introducing any new main female character, if you talking about Argo, that's a very old character which is already extremely well developed in SAO Progressive. she was even in anime season 1 : https://i.imgur.com/3nDt9v4.png Moreover, he never said he don't want to create any female character, he said he want to not create underdeveloped character that are just there praising kirito like Lisbeth and Silica. Also he is focusing on Silica, Lisbeth, Yui who were all underdeveloped and giving them their own time to shine and their own good moments separated from kirito. Lastly : Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. Are you seriously suggesting that every random side character that is introduced in an story, need to be focused on and do something in each 1-2 volume ?! That's completely unrealistic, there is no time to do that. did you really see any anime with big cast if characters, like idk... One Piece or Naruto, always use every character they have all the times ? no. side characters are forced to be ignored and not be inside the focus sometimes due to how the story progress. Fanatio, Fizel and Linel stayed behind in the Human Empire pass to protect there. while the story in volume 17 and 18 is focused on the group that left inside Dark Territory toward The altar at the end. which clearly mean Fanatio and the others back there are separated from the main group the story is following and we didn't get to see them do anything. this is NOT a bad story element, this is just normal prioritizing the story and giving everyone some attention. Volume 18 was already like 400 page while a normal volume is 250 page or so... the Alicization Arc is already as big as it can get... that's just how it is. Moreover, needless focus on every side character is not always a good thing, sometimes it needlessly make the story bigger and the audience tired and bored. |
Dec 31, 2019 3:06 PM
#43
Pedram said: Darikan said: So the point of character development has always been the weakest in SAO. Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. The problem here is that there are too many superfluous female characters, the only interesting characters with character development in all of SAO are Kirito, Eugeo, Eiji and Bercouli. Some have the potential, but remain only extras. Even though Kawahara has apologized for reintroducing a female hero, he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. SAO: Alicization promises character development, but hardly fulfills this. Kawahara's strengths in being able to describe his respective worlds very well and the appearance of the characters is mostly unique (Klein, Agil, Bercouli, Eldrie, Eiji, Kayaba). The only reasons why this season is rated higher is the art (not the animation) and the music, but for me these two shouldn't dominate a series. Hey Man, I don't give a fuck about SAO's rating tbh, I never rate stuff myself. but you are working on wrong information here. when did Reki Kawahara apologized for "reintroducing a female hero" ? what does this even mean ? The only thing come to my mind is his interview from 2018 or so... And he apologized for having some side character female which were not developed at all and promised he will write the "new SAO Arcs" with females with more agency of their own, unrelated to kirito. What he was referring to in this scene was also Lisbeth and Silica who rarely had any moment to develop and just showed up in a short side story. He even described it in more detail by saying "when I was writing about them, ( Silica and Lisbeth's side story ) I did not really decide any role or what I'm gonna do with them in the future and I see this as my mistake which I want to improve" In fact, he is correct, since Both Silica and Lizbeth were originally in a side story unrelated to main story, and they only got some deban in the main story and became part of the main cast due to huge Fan request and being fan favorites back in webnovels times. Also, this interview was done in 2018, while he finished Alicization Arc in 2008 !!! 10 years before that. He said he try to write the new arc of Main SAO more similar to SAO Progressive which he is writing since 2012. he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. Again, that interview said "for later Arcs" so only Unital Ring Arc works. And no, in newest Arc he is not introducing any new main female character, if you talking about Argo, that's a very old character which is already extremely well developed in SAO Progressive. she was even in anime season 1 : https://i.imgur.com/3nDt9v4.png Moreover, he never said he don't want to create any female character, he said he want to not create underdeveloped character that are just there praising kirito like Lisbeth and Silica. Also he is focusing on Silica, Lisbeth, Yui who were all underdeveloped and giving them their own time to shine and their own good moments separated from kirito. Lastly : Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. Are you seriously suggesting that every random side character that is introduced in an story, need to be focused on and do something in each 1-2 volume ?! That's completely unrealistic, there is no time to do that. did you really see any anime with big cast if characters, like idk... One Piece or Naruto, always use every character they have all the times ? no. side characters are forced to be ignored and not be inside the focus sometimes due to how the story progress. Fanatio, Fizel and Linel stayed behind in the Human Empire pass to protect there. while the story in volume 17 and 18 is focused on the group that left inside Dark Territory toward The altar at the end. which clearly mean Fanatio and the others back there are separated from the main group the story is following and we didn't get to see them do anything. this is NOT a bad story element, this is just normal prioritizing the story and giving everyone some attention. Volume 18 was already like 400 page while a normal volume is 250 page or so... the Alicization Arc is already as big as it can get... that's just how it is. Moreover, needless focus on every side character is not always a good thing, sometimes it needlessly make the story bigger and the audience tired and bored. Kawahara wrote it in Vol. 2 and Vol.3 as an afterword. The perfect example of character development is FMA, even without the protagonist the anime is entertaining and the image of women is excellent. Really every character that is relevant is reintroduced. By the way, Fanatio, Fizel and Lionel are not random characters. The focus is solely on Kirito, although he is not even "active". |
Dec 31, 2019 3:41 PM
#44
Darikan said: Pedram said: Darikan said: So the point of character development has always been the weakest in SAO. Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. The problem here is that there are too many superfluous female characters, the only interesting characters with character development in all of SAO are Kirito, Eugeo, Eiji and Bercouli. Some have the potential, but remain only extras. Even though Kawahara has apologized for reintroducing a female hero, he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. SAO: Alicization promises character development, but hardly fulfills this. Kawahara's strengths in being able to describe his respective worlds very well and the appearance of the characters is mostly unique (Klein, Agil, Bercouli, Eldrie, Eiji, Kayaba). The only reasons why this season is rated higher is the art (not the animation) and the music, but for me these two shouldn't dominate a series. Hey Man, I don't give a fuck about SAO's rating tbh, I never rate stuff myself. but you are working on wrong information here. when did Reki Kawahara apologized for "reintroducing a female hero" ? what does this even mean ? The only thing come to my mind is his interview from 2018 or so... And he apologized for having some side character female which were not developed at all and promised he will write the "new SAO Arcs" with females with more agency of their own, unrelated to kirito. What he was referring to in this scene was also Lisbeth and Silica who rarely had any moment to develop and just showed up in a short side story. He even described it in more detail by saying "when I was writing about them, ( Silica and Lisbeth's side story ) I did not really decide any role or what I'm gonna do with them in the future and I see this as my mistake which I want to improve" In fact, he is correct, since Both Silica and Lizbeth were originally in a side story unrelated to main story, and they only got some deban in the main story and became part of the main cast due to huge Fan request and being fan favorites back in webnovels times. Also, this interview was done in 2018, while he finished Alicization Arc in 2008 !!! 10 years before that. He said he try to write the new arc of Main SAO more similar to SAO Progressive which he is writing since 2012. he still introduces more female characters in each new world (SAO,: Asuna, Lisbeth, Silica), (ALO: Leafa), (GGO: Sinon), ( UW: Alice) even in the newest arc. Again, that interview said "for later Arcs" so only Unital Ring Arc works. And no, in newest Arc he is not introducing any new main female character, if you talking about Argo, that's a very old character which is already extremely well developed in SAO Progressive. she was even in anime season 1 : https://i.imgur.com/3nDt9v4.png Moreover, he never said he don't want to create any female character, he said he want to not create underdeveloped character that are just there praising kirito like Lisbeth and Silica. Also he is focusing on Silica, Lisbeth, Yui who were all underdeveloped and giving them their own time to shine and their own good moments separated from kirito. Lastly : Even in the Light Novels, Fanatio, Fizel and Linzel in Vol. 17 and 18. play no role. Are you seriously suggesting that every random side character that is introduced in an story, need to be focused on and do something in each 1-2 volume ?! That's completely unrealistic, there is no time to do that. did you really see any anime with big cast if characters, like idk... One Piece or Naruto, always use every character they have all the times ? no. side characters are forced to be ignored and not be inside the focus sometimes due to how the story progress. Fanatio, Fizel and Linel stayed behind in the Human Empire pass to protect there. while the story in volume 17 and 18 is focused on the group that left inside Dark Territory toward The altar at the end. which clearly mean Fanatio and the others back there are separated from the main group the story is following and we didn't get to see them do anything. this is NOT a bad story element, this is just normal prioritizing the story and giving everyone some attention. Volume 18 was already like 400 page while a normal volume is 250 page or so... the Alicization Arc is already as big as it can get... that's just how it is. Moreover, needless focus on every side character is not always a good thing, sometimes it needlessly make the story bigger and the audience tired and bored. Kawahara wrote it in Vol. 2 and Vol.3 as an afterword. The perfect example of character development is FMA, even without the protagonist the anime is entertaining and the image of women is excellent. Really every character that is relevant is reintroduced. By the way, Fanatio, Fizel and Lionel are not random characters. The focus is solely on Kirito, although he is not even "active". Oh you talking about that time, he was literally saying it in a joking manner like, "I know a new female MC is joining each time, but I'm sorry there is more to come (haha)." And it still does not change the fact that he had already written these before lol He write the whole SAO Aincrad to Alicization in webnovel from 2001 to 2008. it was all done. then he was writing Accel World + Isolator + SAO Progressive. while he simply released the old SAO webnovels as light novels. so ofcourse he can't completely change the story and remove a female MC he created. all the old fans would complain too. Volume 2 and 3 were released in 2009 or 2010. while the webnovel for them was written in 2002 ! Fanatio and others are just side characters and they already got their own focus and character developments. specially fanatio. idk you talking about novels or anime ? if u talking about "Reki Kawahara" I think you talking about the novels right ? then ABSOLUTELY NOT. the focus of the novels is very clearly shared well and characters are well developed, but if you talking about anime, then I give you some pass. but don't mention Reki Kawahara then, not his fault the anime didn't include all that he write in the correct way. |
Jan 2, 2020 9:24 PM
#46
A season without Kirito? Lol Personally, I liked the 1st half of the S1 and the this Arc. The anime that give birth to VR gears. |
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Jan 3, 2020 12:23 PM
#47
Big fan of SAO, but I ended up dropping this show. Definitely over-rated |
Jan 3, 2020 6:29 PM
#48
Defo underrated. It doesn't have that lame SAO vibe about it. All action. |
Jan 4, 2020 10:09 AM
#49
biswa290701 said: I never even thought of that. If unfotable did it, then SAO would have amazing camera work. A1 did an amazing job with this season, but I can only imagine what it would look like in the hands of unfotable!Gho3st said: I am surprised that people like anything besides the first twelve episodes of SAO. The last half of the first season and all the rest is pretty much crap. I wish they did a remake to the 100th floor instead of the bullshit made nowadays. This season is good enough with Alice as the mc. She is now one of my favourites on mal. Though Sao progressive is an ongoing light novel and manga which expands on the aincrad arc a lot going floor by floor. It also the highest rating of 8.40 of any Sao media on mal. It'll probably get an anime adaptation soon and if it happens, it'll be quite a long one. Probably 300 episodes. Let's hope it'll be ufotable to do it. We all can dream. 😂 |
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