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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Heh, I definitely got the impression of an actual season's finale in this.

Big battles, war cries, and major players in the war are featured. Apparently, those from the beta test from the real world also got involved. For what's worth, this episode gave the feeling that the war has gotten out of control. A lot of feelings were poured into this episode. They even had a scene of Asuna's arm blown off damn.

Anyways, next season should be a hell of a ride if this is the momentum it's going to ride off from.

 
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Dec 28, 2019 7:21 AM

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SAO: Alicization - War of Underworld is the one the best anime from 2019. I'm glad how SAO improved since S3 and I look forward to the last part of Alicization next year. 9/10 for the anime.
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Dec 28, 2019 7:21 AM

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Apparently sinon can into to underworld. This oath was very sadistic, rip Asuna's hand but it looks like it was successfully cured.

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Deleting some, but she's already in limit.

The enemy team, thinking they are not relevant anymore, decided to cooperate with them.

Alice got irritated and got ruthless, and got caught by the real enemy.

After hearing what would happen, he still decided to be on their side.

The one who went into the hole is awake in real world. He remembered seeing Asuna in the world, and realized main guy might be in the world, so he decides to go back there.

Sawashiro-san's character enters.

"The Last Season" on April 2020, and next ep. (first ep. of next season) is "Underworld Taisen"
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Of course, all Americans are in love cutting limbs and seeing blood flow, that's extreme stereotype. Even the almost 100k players in Underworld are irrelevant for the Human Empire, Asuna can use their almost equal admin rights and although the time is the same to the real world, Sinon appears exactly where the Human Empire is in danger. So twice Deus Ex Machina just makes this episode boring and all this bloodshed is unnecessary. It's just my opinion. But in previous seasons or novels there was no Deus Ex Machina.
 
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Two things, weird place to end the cour and for the love of all that is holy, STOP GIVING GABE THESE OVER-THE-TOP FACIAL EXPRESSIONS, they look silly and you can say are a bit out of character. Gabe is too cool for school for that.
Other than that great episode as usual. Can't wait for the end.
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Of course, all Americans are in love cutting limbs and seeing blood flow, that's extreme stereotype. Even the almost 100k players in Underworld are irrelevant for the Human Empire, Asuna can use their almost equal admin rights and although the time is the same to the real world, Sinon appears exactly where the Human Empire is in danger. So twice Deus Ex Machina just makes this episode boring and all this bloodshed is unnecessary. It's just my opinion. But in previous seasons or novels there was no Deus Ex Machina.

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Dec 28, 2019 8:23 AM
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These guys did Leafa dirty tho, didnt both Leafa and Sinon enter simultaneously? Why was Sinon the only one we see in the end! Anyways Sinon banging that look, Asuna got real world backup now.


It was a fair season, see ya'll on april 2020.
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Darikan said:
Of course, all Americans are in love cutting limbs and seeing blood flow, that's extreme stereotype. Even the almost 100k players in Underworld are irrelevant for the Human Empire, Asuna can use their almost equal admin rights and although the time is the same to the real world, Sinon appears exactly where the Human Empire is in danger. So twice Deus Ex Machina just makes this episode boring and all this bloodshed is unnecessary. It's just my opinion. But in previous seasons or novels there was no Deus Ex Machina.


There's no such thing as admin rights as only Quinella had it, it's just supper accounts and in the case of Asuna she has limits as everytime she uses her special power, she will feel much pain, which is why she can only use it few times.

And americans are in love with it because there was never a violent game on VRMMORPG as none of them in any place of the world have blood. So they are thinking that for the first time they have a VRMMOGP game with this aspect like it had in normal games in the past.
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Dec 28, 2019 8:48 AM

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This season was one of the best from SAO, way better than the first alicization, it was great
 
Dec 28, 2019 8:59 AM
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So... This season is the best one out of them all and cannot wait for Part 2!
Everyone could've known that we would get a cliffhanger, so that's that.

Aaaaaand, suddenly Sinon!


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Dec 28, 2019 9:01 AM

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Although the direction was average, for much part of the episode, Sinon's entrance at the end was fucking epic. I'm already extremely hyped for the second cour.
 
Dec 28, 2019 9:04 AM

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That Gabriel Miller guy always has a creepy smile.

Best girl Sinon makes a badass appearance. Asuna now has a reliable ally. But what about Leafa???

9/10. I'm looking forward to season 2 on Apr, 2020.

 
Dec 28, 2019 9:07 AM

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Amazing animation , great OST.. Great adaptation. Looking forward to April to see the last part of Alicization adapted. 11 episodes for that 1 volume and a little to adapt
Final score 10/10

 
Dec 28, 2019 9:10 AM

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Once again, the animations are god tier.



Looking forward for the next part, Spring 2020 will be a good season.

 
Dec 28, 2019 9:16 AM

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Congrats to A-1 for an absolutely masterful adaptation, they have easily made this the best installation of Sword Art Online with absolutely gorgeous visuals, sound design, music and animation. A break is well deserved and I can't wait to see the final 11 episodes. and more of best girl Alice.

This installation has improved upon all of the major complaints that SAO haters have had to say for years. No Kirito, stakes, good development, etc and at the core of everything it's tackled the main point of SAO, showing just how blurry the line between reality and the virtual world is. They're both just as real.


Sinon's arrival was simply beautiful and gave me goosebumps. Well, it's been an amazing 12 weeks, see you all in Spring. Reminder that volume 18 which is the last of Alicization will be released in English next month and Vol 23, the second of Unital Ring came out this month.

For the haters who instantly review bombed the season when it dropped, at this point if you don't like SAO, just don't watch it. It's been 7 years, don't torture yourself watching something you don't enjoy just for internet points. I promise you it's ok.

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Dec 28, 2019 9:18 AM

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Hell yeah!! An episode full of action and ofc this ends with a cliffhanger. But good thing Sinon is here to help and probably the rest of the gang too.

Man this entire season was totally amazing, really hyped for the last part. Gotta wait till april to watch it, it's gonna be a really long wait.
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Dec 28, 2019 9:18 AM
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The arrival of the yanks sure served to mess up the battle big time by introducing a new dimension to the war. The reactions of the yanks though sure was unsettling. But proved to be the perfect fuel for Asuna's rage. Its nice to see the leader of the Pug's realise that Gabriel was only using them with his determination to rebel against him being cemented well in his plucking and crushing of his eye seal. Its also nice to see him being so open minded as well in his desire to save his friends while being creative in obeying orders from vecta. Its funny seeing Sheyta fight alongside her onetime opponent in the breach though. The connection that they made back then sure had an interesting effect. Though the enemy's second wave was vast they sure proved to be easy prey for Sinon's entry on to the field. Sinon's arrival while majestic sure proved to be a nice boon for Asuna both physically and mentally in the midst of this brutal war. An excellent action packed finale that while introducing a new brutal phase to the war via the entrance of the yanks also equalised it via the rebel of the pugs and the entrance of Sinon to the field. Can't wait to see the next phase of the war next spring. Looks like both sides still have plenty of surprises to reveal for the war.
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Dec 28, 2019 9:31 AM
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for a final episode this is kinda weak in sakuga except the last scene when Sinon shows up

see you all in April
 
Dec 28, 2019 9:32 AM

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Sinon's entrance made me cry lol, and I don't even like that character xD
 
Dec 28, 2019 9:33 AM
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Nemesis16 said:
Darikan said:
Of course, all Americans are in love cutting limbs and seeing blood flow, that's extreme stereotype. Even the almost 100k players in Underworld are irrelevant for the Human Empire, Asuna can use their almost equal admin rights and although the time is the same to the real world, Sinon appears exactly where the Human Empire is in danger. So twice Deus Ex Machina just makes this episode boring and all this bloodshed is unnecessary. It's just my opinion. But in previous seasons or novels there was no Deus Ex Machina.


There's no such thing as admin rights as only Quinella had it, it's just supper accounts and in the case of Asuna she has limits as everytime she uses her special power, she will feel much pain, which is why she can only use it few times.

And americans are in love with it because there was never a violent game on VRMMORPG as none of them in any place of the world have blood. So they are thinking that for the first time they have a VRMMOGP game with this aspect like it had in normal games in the past.


You don't need to explain that to me, I already know because of the novels. That's why I wrote "almost", because changing the landscape is a massive intervention in the simulation. It would have been interesting (like the Pugilists Guild) to have had a conflict between Americans (like Violence) vs Americans (like the World). I would find it exciting to explore the world a bit. Don't forget that is just my opinion.
 
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Darikan said:
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There's no such thing as admin rights as only Quinella had it, it's just supper accounts and in the case of Asuna she has limits as everytime she uses her special power, she will feel much pain, which is why she can only use it few times.

And americans are in love with it because there was never a violent game on VRMMORPG as none of them in any place of the world have blood. So they are thinking that for the first time they have a VRMMOGP game with this aspect like it had in normal games in the past.


You don't need to explain that to me, I already know because of the novels. That's why I wrote "almost", because changing the landscape is a massive intervention in the simulation. It would have been interesting (like the Pugilists Guild) to have had a conflict between Americans (like Violence) vs Americans (like the World). I would find it exciting to explore the world a bit. Don't forget that is just my opinion.


Ah, fair enough. I thought you just didn't know. :)
 
Dec 28, 2019 9:38 AM
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holy fck Shinon comin thru My man Kirito need to wake up he missing out big time and so hype for next season in April
 
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for a final episode this is kinda weak in sakuga except the last scene when Sinon shows up

see you all in April


I mean, there was a good amount of sakuga, if u look at it there was barely still shots when they were fighting those soldiers, which is kinda good in a production not so healthy, unfortunately. Ye there was nothing out of this world but if we take each sakuga moment, it was a good amount. The best cut was obviously the Sinon one. (That guy throwing out the rock and the champion jump was pretty good as well.)
This wasn't really a final episode, besides the Sinon entrance and Gabriel taking Alice, it was a pretty common one, but they had to split cour here, and I'm glad they did, otherwise would become like the 1º season 2º part.
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The only thing i hate in this season is Gabriel's face.
it made him look like rapey villains.
 
Dec 28, 2019 9:47 AM
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Deleting some, but she's already in limit.

The enemy team, thinking they are not relevant anymore, decided to cooperate with them.

Alice got irritated and got ruthless, and got caught by the real enemy.

After hearing what would happen, he still decided to be on their side.

The one who went into the hole is awake in real world. He realized about Asuna is also in the world, and he decides to go back there.

Sawashiro-san's character enters.

"The Last Season" on April 2020, and next ep. (first ep. of next season) is "Underworld Taisen"
the last season as in concluding the series or the last season of Alicization
 
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This was a really solid ep but other than that, I didn't care about what was happening for most of the runtime. With this ep, might upgrade my score to a 4 instead of a 3
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Bryxn said:
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Deleting some, but she's already in limit.

The enemy team, thinking they are not relevant anymore, decided to cooperate with them.

Alice got irritated and got ruthless, and got caught by the real enemy.

After hearing what would happen, he still decided to be on their side.

The one who went into the hole is awake in real world. He realized about Asuna is also in the world, and he decides to go back there.

Sawashiro-san's character enters.

"The Last Season" on April 2020, and next ep. (first ep. of next season) is "Underworld Taisen"
the last season as in concluding the series or the last season of Alicization


Last season as in concluding Alicization. The first actual arc of the LN that isn't adapted from what Kawahara wrote before the light novels is called Unital Ring and began last year on the light novels.
 
Dec 28, 2019 9:55 AM
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And the harem finally assemble. Can't wait for next season. So hype. Easily the best arc of SAO.
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Aside from the average-ish directing, this was a pretty good finale episode in all honesty.

What a timely return for Sinon and I just loved the whole scene there, major props to A-1 Pictures for the top-tier animation too! Sinon's monologue to top it off, great stuff! Kind of an odd spot to sign off with though, I've to say. Need to take care of 20,000 players (and save Renly too in the process)? No problems, just leave it to Shion lol.

Awesome final few moments after the ED too, Vassago is definitely up to no good. And that slow-mo like effect to get that across was perfect too! SAO definitely takes the cake for cliffhangers of the year xD.

Mad respect to Iskahn as well going for that deal and then going as far as to stall some time for the Human Empire to chase after Gabriel. Really liked the little moment between him and Scheta too, can't wait to see more of them!

Asuna seems to have used up all her godly attacks. Given how bad the aftereffect of the second strike was, I was expecting her to be down and out by the third but good thing that wasn't the case. Especially more so now that Alice has been captured.

Definitely curious to see how things will play out next!

Overall, this has been a really good addition to the illustrious SAO franchise but sadly it felt like a Season catered to the light novel readers with the choppy direction, inconsistent pacing and large exclusions in particular. A few of the character deaths for instance hardly fazed me, and I would often get a better image after watching Foxen Anime's weekly analysis vids. Moreover, I feel like they tramped on Alice's development with the introduction of Asuna into the Underworld which is a darn pity considering how that was a real highlight during the first half. And I won't even get started on the real world side of things because to be honest they were off on a few bits I felt.

Anyway, that aside, the Animation has been breathtaking and the Sound Department equally fabulous! Albeit this episode where the ost usage felt a little off. "unlasting" is easily one of my favourite ED themes of the year and "Resolution" my favourite SAO Aliciazation Op to date. Some of the fight scenes lacked a grace of sakuga quite admittedly but it was still awesome without it!

As such, I'll be giving this season a solid 7.40/10, a nod away from an 8.

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Dec 28, 2019 9:56 AM

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People always shit on A-1 yet when it comes to the production value they were up there this season.

Overall easily my favorite SAO part. Not having Kirito around was definitely a blessing and the war as whole offered some of the best moments of the franchise.
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Dec 28, 2019 10:02 AM
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This SAO season is kinda fucking bullshit ngl
Author: so how the fuck am i going to reintroduce the old cast in the story at this point
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That was plain stupid.... Alice is the reason of this whole "virtual" war, so yeah let her go follow and fight the ONE OP AF GUY that what to bring her to THAT ONE specific location to "kill her". GG EZ NOOBS!

As always SAO plot is falling apart just before something important will happen. Epic entry of Sinon was the only good part of this last episode (even if she pops just like that out of the author's ass with super/mega OP account).

AND FFS can someone slap in face AFK Kirito?

Overall 6/10 for this 3th act with included +1 for the animation and another +1 for an outstanding ED song.


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Can we change Kirito status on the main page of War of Underworld from "Main" to "Supporting" or "Background" character?
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Good last episode. And for me this season, overall, was more entertaining than the previous one in its first 12 episodes.
I wish the second part of "Wou" could beat this one.
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This might be an unpopular opinion but I’ve always loved SAO. I never thought it was “shit” through any of the seasons at all. What I have to say though is that this season was probably the best SAO season to date other than the original. I don’t like how they ended it though because it wasn’t a cliffhanger or anything of the sort. Yes the battles were good and all but there wasn’t that defining moment of ending. Like yeah Sinon is now in the underworld and other OG’s are going to show up but there was no end/ cliffhanger. It’s almost like they could just continue it next week. This is why I hate the constraint of 12 episode seasons. Just make it 24 eps ffs xD.
 
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Decent episode and a good finale.

I was not expecting the fight scene with Asuna's arm being cut off, though I am glad it was restored. That said, I kinda expected Asuna to demolish those red soldiers like Alice.

Final scene with Sinon appearing was great.

Alicization is definitely the best season of SAO till date, I have my issues with it. Mostly regarding the real world side of the story but I still do enjoy the series. I'll see you all in spring I suppose.
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Hands down! Best anime episode of fall 2019. What a way to end a season! Still my hands are numb of excitement. This season made me love SAO so much that I started defending it. Lol
Not gonna deduct anything!
Second entry into my freaking 10/10 club this year after AoT season 3 part 2.
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Dec 28, 2019 10:25 AM
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I don't know if it was the low expectations, but I've enjoyed this iteration of SAO much more than any other. The lack of Kirito shouneing the day away? Perhaps, but in any case I look forward to what happens next.
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This might be an unpopular opinion but I’ve always loved SAO. I never thought it was “shit” through any of the seasons at all. What I have to say though is that this season was probably the best SAO season to date other than the original. I don’t like how they ended it though because it wasn’t a cliffhanger or anything of the sort. Yes the battles were good and all but there wasn’t that defining moment of ending. Like yeah Sinon is now in the underworld and other OG’s are going to show up but there was no end/ cliffhanger. It’s almost like they could just continue it next week. This is why I hate the constraint of 12 episode seasons. Just make it 24 eps ffs xD.

Liking SAO is hardly an unpopular opinion. It's a good show brought down a bit by its adaptation and so far this cour the best adaptation of the source material yet. And yeah I don't love waiting for the rest but at the very least it means we won't have a drop off in quality like we did with the second half of the 1st part of Alicization.
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Last episode was really good!

Where to start the light novel from now on guys?
 
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Easily the best season of sao so far, it probably helped that Kirito was a vegetable during the whole thing.
 
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This series is truly amazing. I loved it from the start! It's hard to wait until April but it's the only thing we can do now.
 
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Well another cour has ended now on to the next sequel......Ohh man they putting way too many god tiers around here.
 
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The first season was so much better for me, I'm actually surprised people reaction to this one, I thought it was very lacking in comparison to the first one, but everyone seems to think the contrary.

That said, I do think the end of this season was in an uphill trajectory, can't wait for the next one.
 
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This might be an unpopular opinion but I’ve always loved SAO. I never thought it was “shit” through any of the seasons at all. What I have to say though is that this season was probably the best SAO season to date other than the original. I don’t like how they ended it though because it wasn’t a cliffhanger or anything of the sort. Yes the battles were good and all but there wasn’t that defining moment of ending. Like yeah Sinon is now in the underworld and other OG’s are going to show up but there was no end/ cliffhanger. It’s almost like they could just continue it next week. This is why I hate the constraint of 12 episode seasons. Just make it 24 eps ffs xD.

Liking SAO is hardly an unpopular opinion. It's a good show brought down a bit by its adaptation and so far this cour the best adaptation of the source material yet. And yeah I don't love waiting for the rest but at the very least it means we won't have a drop off in quality like we did with the second half of the 1st part of Alicization.


To like SAO is far from an unpopular opinion, it's one of the most succesful series in anime/novel industry. I thin the difference is that who like the serie doesn't need to write and to underline their opinion always, things are differnt for who hate a series, generally those persone tend to write more. That goes for every series. It's what I take from my long experience in different communities.
 
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Darikan said:
Of course, all Americans are in love cutting limbs and seeing blood flow, that's extreme stereotype. Even the almost 100k players in Underworld are irrelevant for the Human Empire, Asuna can use their almost equal admin rights and although the time is the same to the real world, Sinon appears exactly where the Human Empire is in danger. So twice Deus Ex Machina just makes this episode boring and all this bloodshed is unnecessary. It's just my opinion. But in previous seasons or novels there was no Deus Ex Machina.


hey they put it online as a beta test for a super violent VRMMOPG. Obviously any American who joined the game would be one who liked that stuff
 
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Last episode was really good!

Where to start the light novel from now on guys?

Volume 17 I guess.
 
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PoH is coming.
Ok but I'm still really pissed at how much of Iskhan's inner dialogue. There was so much that was rushing through his head, and the anime just skipped it all. I know the SAO anime has always done that, creating so many poor characters, but I just wish they'd stick more to the LN in times like these, because 50% of SAO is supposed to be inner conflicts and turmoils, so it doesn't work when they skip literally 100% of Kirito and Eugeo's thoughts.
 
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