MAL score is not relevant anymore PART 2

azzuRe said:


Agree on removal of ranking system, but I would rather keep the scoring system. It is still useful when making anime recommendation to people to know what they enjoyed and what they avoid.

HaXXspetten said:
More like fans of other series will start downvoting this in the same way

ibm3 said:


I guess the issue is that we aren't bots but simply people who think this is fun ;)

tragedydesu said:
>9.12

looks like anime fans really love prostitutes
disgusting

-GilgaSmash- said:

The scores are not relevant when they are community based
Hope this helps

-GilgaSmash- said:

You know when the vote has no critics is completely pointless
Community based poles would get mediocre stuff like demon slayer as anime of the year even tho objectively speaking (ratings being meant to be objective atleast 50%) it's not even top 20

cyruz said:


I really hope everyone partaking in this will be successful enough to at some point be in a position where they have to waste their precious time dealing with something like this.

To exist just to make the lives of other people more difficult is truly the pinnacle for some people in the anime community. Big thanks from the bottom of my heart.

Touma_Mikoto said:


I do not think you can not have a scoring system without having a ranking with it as well

but people should indeed not focus on the ranking order when scoring cause that kinda would makes your score not your own anymore

jal90 said:

It didn't help sorry.

Hope there's more of an argument with that statement.

Touma_Mikoto said:


Community based scores are more often than not popularity based instead of quality based (that does not mean they are useless but they are also a bit skewed cause of it)

Which is probably why people are saying they are not relevant

jal90 said:

It didn't help sorry.

Hope there's more of an argument with that statement.

azzuRe said:

Not really, I always find ranking system in MAL to be ridiculous since anime is such a wide spectrum of topic and audience, some would have massive viewership and others would be limited to a certain niche, there are shows that people would avoid and would never watched and never score and there's shows that would attract some niche and getting good score even with low viewership. Putting a rankng system on these is oversimplifying the variety of genre and niche in anime medium. If there's a ranking to be put on scale it should be sales (like box-office), or simply amount of viewers that watched it, not the score that given by viewers.

Tecnomage36 said:


Because the community can't score things objectively. You give your score base on your own personal taste as everybody else.
And the highest scores will always go to the animals that reach a broather public, the ones with most media, see Kimetsu no Yaiba case, It's an ok anime but not enouth to be to 20 or best of the year... The high scores are only there due the media exposure...

As I said in my other post, the users recommendation by similarity are more useful than the scores... just watch a few episodes and decide for yourself if is good or not...

Shymander said:
If anything, this just goes to show how relevant MAL's score is -- you don't see Nux instructing followers to bot Kitsu.

You can cheer for Nux or you complain about the issue, not both. Egging this on creates more back-breaking work for us to resolve it.

I felt his work was just cringey before, but this is being an asshole, plain and simple.

Abimefin said:
Nux didn't even rate it at 10 himself...
https://myanimelist.net/profile/NuxTaku

jal90 said:

Uhm, then what I said in the post above applies as well.

Also, what's the deal with Kimetsu no Yaiba? Do you think it's the first show to blow up in popularity? I don't even think the show is good enough for its rank on MAL, but people loved it well enough for it to be there. That's all that matters in an aggregate.

TheLimo said:
Are these people aware that by doing this they're only fucking up some MAL staffer's day? Funimation doesn't give a shit about MAL scores so what exactly is the point of doing this?

Kineta said:
Hi. Me again.

I wanted to make a follow-up post here, in light of the current onslaught of Ishuzoku Reviewers—led by one individual who has seeming lost his marbles or let internet fame get to his head. Thanks to this individual's easily-influenced mob followers, Ishukozu Reviewer's score has been tampered with so badly, it makes the trolls who spammed Chihayafuru 3 look weak. I don't have words to express how such a display of thoughtlessness makes the staff feel, particularly Luna and I who were in a sheer panic when we first saw the flood of scores.

Negativity aside, I managed to find two silver linings in this whole fiasco.

Before all this happened, I received word that the development team may be done Phase 1 sooner than expected, and so we were trying to schedule an earlier release date (taking into consideration the weekend and national holidays in Japan). Silver-lining #1 is we shouldn't have to live with this long.

Second, we were so focused on combating illegitimate scores given by duplicate account creation, we didn't consider illegitimate scores given by legitimate users due to vote brigading. Don't get me wrong, we want to tamper with MAL scores as little as possible. However, when an entry receives upwards of 15,000 "10" votes in less than 24 hours and those votes can be linked to one source, there is clearly a problem... So silver lining #2 is we will try to modify what we're releasing in Phase 1 to also deal with this (and Pingu in the City, too).

Once the release date is finalized, I will make a site-wide announcement explaining as much as I can related to this issue, Chihayafuru 3, and the changes this will lead to in MAL's Top page. (As I've said before, up votes and down votes typically cancel each other out for highly-rated, highly-popular series, so don't expect massive changes in the Top 10.)

Finally, I just want to say thanks to some of the rational-thinking users who posted in this reddit thread. I know it soothed the moderator team a little to see others recognize that this senseless action only harms volunteers and users unrelated to the company this individual claims to be protesting against.

Thank you to everyone who spoke out (here or elsewhere) for your support. We will continue to try and make this situation right as speedily as possible.

lagoon22 said:
I thought hentai shows weren't supposed on the top anime list? That is what needs to be fixed here, it has the incorrect age rating.

ClickBaitBuster said:

Anyway, I'm honestly shocked at how quickly this site-wide solution is coming, I thought it would be a similar case to the API, but thanks god, good job MAL team.

Glordit said:


I think they needed to work on it ASAP seeing as how easily things got out of control.

jal90 said:

Yeah sure, and the solution is completely screwing them and rendering them unusable. They are creating a problem where there wasn't any.

The scores are relevant, as long as they correspond to what people like and vote in consequence. It's bot spamming what is an issue here, not the tastes of the community. There was nothing to fix until a bunch of trolls felt they had to make a point and an even bigger bunch of trolls felt it was funny to fuck up things because Nux Taku ordered them so.

So yeah, this will eventually be fixed and right now it's a dumb mass trolling. I hope we don't lose something in the process like we did with the review system.

Themousen said:

Yeah I just watched his video as well

Ishuzoku Reviewers was already flexing on everyone, now it's gonna be even better


My message was mostly ironic, but yep good luck fixing that
(even though, as someone stated, it's not a bot boosting case like Chihayafuru 3, so I don't see any rule transgression in Ishuzoku Reviewer's case)

AvihayAnimes said:
I think that only people with atleast 8+ years on MAL should be able to vote.

Kobayasan said:
Even better idea, only Kineta, Luna and the forum mods should be able to vote

Kobayasan said:
Even better idea, only Kineta, Luna and the forum mods should be able to vote

Jokah said:
This thread perfectly sums up what a bunch of losers anime fans are. God, you guys are pathetic.