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Lumi_Mieli said: Sooo...biggest question I have after this: If the curse of Ymir only allows Shifters to live up to 13 years upon injection...it means that all the Kings of the Dynasty within the walls, have had a maximum life span of 26 years. Don't people get suspicious if their King is replaced every 13 years and is always 13 years old when being crowned? The math is the following: Lets say the first King is in his late 50s when he retreats to Paradise and builds the walls. His heir is maybe in his 30s. He lets himself get eaten and the 30ish heir gets crowned. 3rd generation King would be about 25 when being injected and crowned. So he would die at 38. The child would be about 18 when being injected and crowned. When he dies at age 31, his child would be 11! Which is not acceptable since its not in puberty yet. So he has to create offspring earlier, so lets say he is producing an heir the same year he is crowned. Then the child would be 13, when the king dies. This child and every next king has to have sex at the age 13 and die at the age 26. Its inevitable, that the calculation goes down to this cycle after a few generations. Your calculation is wrong tho Kings can have multiple Children, gotta take that into account, for every extra Child thats +13 years for the next Heir, who can have multiple Children too so if 1 King has 6 Children for example within the time frame of 6 years Kid 1 gets it at 13, dies at 26, Kid 2 gets it at 25 and dies at 38 so for every extra child you have one potential heir with +13 years because thats how long 1 child can carry the founding titan, so the 2nd succesor might be born 1 year later than child 1, who inherity the titan at 13, when the 2nd child is 12, the successor nr1 dies at 26 and the 2nd child is 25 and inherits the titan if you add more than 2 children u have additional +13 years for each child and those children wo uld inherit it at 30+ so meanwhile they can have multiple children too so lets assume king 1 has 5 children, until the first one dies at 26~ the other 4 can have 2-3 children each or more _____________ i don't know if you can call it suspicious to replace every 13 years, it might be strange, but they can manipulate memories too or just call it a royal tradition or whatever |
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| so it seems they have cut this which gives more insight on Marley .. makes me wonder if they are rearranging it and will show it later on for another season |
Mafagows said: Okay, this is gonna be long but I wanna share a theory that I came up with and mindblew myself lol Ever since the reveal of the transcending memories I've been fixated on the title of the first chapter, "To you, in 2000 years". O went back to the first panel (see you later Eren) and started thinking about who said the message of the title and to whom. I then thought that, maybe, it was Eren telling his own story to Ymir, 2000 years prior. The story of the characters we know will evolve to a point where everything falls apart, fails and the world goes to shit. Eren then decides to change the present and learns to send memories back in time to do so. The episode even starts with a narration, so it seemed to make sense. But then I realized that it wasn't Eren narrating, it was Armin. So, summing up, I think that after everything goes bad (not just with character deaths, but something that affects the entire world, like uncontrollable overpowered unconscious titans or maybe a despotic world government), Armin decides to eat Eren and acquire the Coordinate (since he was doomed to die in a short time). He then sends his message and his story back to Ymir maybe warning her of what dangers the Titans would bring to humanity and trying to convince her that she should give up the powers and live a normal life, for those aren't powers humankind should have. If someone finds a flaw in the theory please quote me, I'd love to know And know that I haven't read the manga, so I only know what's been shown until this episode (and don't want to know more, please no spoilers) since Kruger was able to access Memories of the future this means time isn't linear in AOT, its always present, this means everything that will happen has already happened therefore the past and future cannot be altered Ymir already knew what will happen before it happens and couldn't change it, so we live in a deterministic World at least thats how i see it |
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Mafagows said: Nim0174 said: since Kruger was able to access Memories of the future this means time isn't linear in AOT, its always present, this means everything that will happen has already happened therefore the past and future cannot be altered Ymir already knew what will happen before it happens and couldn't change it, so we live in a deterministic World at least thats how i see it I didn't really see it that way, I interpreted the memories as just memories from the past, of things that have already happened, or factual premonitions from the future, of things yet to be. But not that time is omnipresent or anything, I see time as being linear still, but with influences from other eras could be too, we most likely won't know anyway until the manga and anime end :D nonetheless its entertaining and interesting to speculate about this stuff this is why i love this show |
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AiHikari said: DiabloMask said: Not all of it, also foreshadowing doesn't magically make the story good. At least I know I liked the show a lot better before season 3. It's normal for human beings to want everything to stay the same forever. That's not how good things in life work tho. They evolve, they change overtime, they don't restrain themselves, they stray from the predictable path. An extremely good example of it is, of course, Jojo's. You can just be rebellious about it forever or do as many people who initially didn't like the change when reading the manga did, give it time, grow used to it and learn to appreciate it, then you'll see how it makes the series greater than it could ever be just playing safe on the predictable route. Besides there's no 'good guys' or 'bad guys'. Even in the show they say anyone can be anything, people just need to believe in it. Even the restoration movement is shown to have a more 'blind fanatical' side to it. So if you really came down understanding that it's just 'black and white' then it's just that you didn't properly understand the changes. Before this humanity was the good guys, titan where the bad guys. Now it's different points of view colliding. This is why I hate debating with you fans, all I said was that I don't like where the story is going (I didn't even say it's bad) and now you're giving me a life lesson! Also instead of trying to understand what I'm saying you look for something to pick on, good and evil is obviously not the point I was trying to make, it's how the show changed from the concept of survival and humanity's extinction to a battle between two sides, the stakes are lower now and the apocalyptic atmosphere is gone. |
| Messy Haired mikasa is bae, I can't wait to see Eren's liberio transformation. Sad that it won't be WIT anymore, I hope the series doesn't suffer as a result |
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| Can anyone explain why the Owl only saved "Yeager" and not the others? |
| One more episode liked last episode more than this but so much stuff were revealed and made up for it. |
Jim_Heart said: Haven't heard what they were talking about 'The Coordinate' its a path that transcends time and space.What the heck about the last scene ? How could Eren Krueger had memories from future ? So it is true that free will is illusion after all ? |
Lumi_Mieli said: Nim0174 said: Your calculation is wrong tho Kings can have multiple Children, gotta take that into account, for every extra Child thats +13 years for the next Heir, who can have multiple Children too so if 1 King has 6 Children for example within the time frame of 6 years Kid 1 gets it at 13, dies at 26, Kid 2 gets it at 25 and dies at 38 so for every extra child you have one potential heir with +13 years because thats how long 1 child can carry the founding titan, so the 2nd succesor might be born 1 year later than child 1, who inherity the titan at 13, when the 2nd child is 12, the successor nr1 dies at 26 and the 2nd child is 25 and inherits the titan if you add more than 2 children u have additional +13 years for each child and those children wo uld inherit it at 30+ so meanwhile they can have multiple children too so lets assume king 1 has 5 children, until the first one dies at 26~ the other 4 can have 2-3 children each or more _____________ i don't know if you can call it suspicious to replace every 13 years, it might be strange, but they can manipulate memories too or just call it a royal tradition or whatever The thing is that offspring of the current king, no matter how young, has more right to the crown than siblings of the current king. so they number of children has an influence but doesnt prolongue the lifespan of the royals that much. regarding 1. "The thing is that offspring of the current king, no matter how young, has more right to the crown than siblings of the current king." thats obvious doesnt matter my point stands regardless 2." so they number of children has an influence but doesnt prolongue the lifespan of the royals that much." It does. Say King A has 3 Children. if there is an extra child that has the founding titan for 13 years all other children have 13 years where they are not the founding titan, so if child A is born in 2000, gets the titan at age 13 in 2013 and dies in 2026, then child B is born in 2001, gets the titan at age 26 in 2027 and therefore lives till age 39, Child C gets the titan a whole 26 years later ( the time where child a and B had the titan for 13 years each) if he is born lets say in 2002 numbers aren't represantive, but u get the idea, there is +13 years per Child that other Children can live further, so Age+13 for each Child approximately, obviously less since they aren't all born at the same time but u get the idea. I think you just misunderstood my point, i was simply counteracting the claim that guy made. He was saying that at some point all founding titans will be at age 13 which is not true when there are multiple children, which he disregarded. |
Nim0174Jun 25, 2019 4:15 PM
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| well that's interesting when he said Mikasa and Armin, would that mean that the Titan power he has is to see memories of people in the future? and since Eren had the same flash back but of the past would that mean that Eren has the same powers as that Owl guy? |
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| The scene in episode 58 in which Hange repeatedly probed Eren makes me quite dislike her character. The manner in which she persistently probed Eren as if he were up to something is quite dickish. ESPECIALLY after she had read Grisha's books. If she had an ounce of humanity, she would know that Eren was having a hard time dealing with his father's revelations. And yet Hange's fans try to pass this scene as a "joke/humorous scene" - they must be trying to convince themselves that bullying is funny. The scene even made it clear: Levi wouldn't jump in to defend Eren if she wasn't being an asshole. Even back when everybody just discovered Eren was a Titan, Erwin and Levi didn't show him that much distrust. Thanks Levi for defending Eren. I can't fucking stand it even as an audience. |
| Damn it, the next episode the last one, it's been one hell of a ride, and it was very good! Onto the next episode, I wonder what they will do. |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” ― Lelouch Vi Britannia |
| I really like the geopolitical nature of this season, and these Grisha flashbacks are great. The interesting conundrum of what to do w Historia is going to fit in well with the dark themes of selfishness in the show, and I can't wait to see where it goes |
  We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think? ------------------------------------ Itachi Uchiha |
| man it's already about to end next week, so sad😭 hopefully, there will be season 4 soon! |
| Gotta love Hange imitating Eren |
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SeidouTZ said: That is one magic letter to be able to give Historia flashbacks of Ymir moments after it was written, i didn't know Shifters also possessed the ability to transfer future memories to pieces of paper such wow. Not sure what that was about, since it was not in the manga, so that scene is a anime only scene. In the manga version she simple read it and we got the backstory. As a manga reader I would recommend you not to dwell on it too much, I think this is more of the case of style over substance, it looks cool but makes no sense. |
keragammingJun 26, 2019 4:42 PM
SeidouTZ said: keragamming said: Not sure what that was about, since it was not in the manga, so that scene is a anime only scene. In the manga version she simple read it and we got the backstory. As a manga reader I would recommend you not to dwell on it too much, I think this is more of the case of style over substance, it looks cool but makes no sense. I understand that the anime team put that there to make that scene seem more foreboding, but like you said in the context of the show it makes zero sense. Ymir's past had already been shown earlier in Season 2 so it wouldn't make much sense showing it again. But who knows why the memories were transfered by touching the letter, maybe people with royal blood have that ability idk, since Rod and Historia triggered Eren's memories back in the first part by touching him too. |
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Wasn't referring to the already shown flashback but a small scene that was shown afterwards that happened after Ymir had finished writing the letter. Oh yeah my bad then |
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DiabloMask said: snip I mean, you can't say something and then say you haven't said it. Not how this works. "humanity is no longer on the verge of extinction, now it's just a battle between good guys and bad guys" You said it yourself, NOW IT'S JUST a battle between good guys and bad guys, I don't think I need to explain to you what you yourself have said. And yes, you can not like it, but that's just a normal reaction to when things change, after a while if you don't like, then you don't like it, but could just be aversion to change, which happens often. Shows changing and evolving is how they keep being engaging, especially when everything ties up in such a satisfying way. And yes you can say that it's not 'extinction of humanity', but was never about it, was just an illusion. It's basically a World War, which isn't a smaller scope by any way, it's quite massive if you stop to think about it, it's still a battle for survival, but against an organized country hell bent on wiping you off the map and exterminating your people until there's no more. |
AiHikari said: DiabloMask said: snip I mean, you can't say something and then say you haven't said it. Not how this works. "humanity is no longer on the verge of extinction, now it's just a battle between good guys and bad guys" You said it yourself, NOW IT'S JUST a battle between good guys and bad guys, I don't think I need to explain to you what you yourself have said. And yes, you can not like it, but that's just a normal reaction to when things change, after a while if you don't like, then you don't like it, but could just be aversion to change, which happens often. Shows changing and evolving is how they keep being engaging, especially when everything ties up in such a satisfying way. And yes you can say that it's not 'extinction of humanity', but was never about it, was just an illusion. It's basically a World War, which isn't a smaller scope by any way, it's quite massive if you stop to think about it, it's still a battle for survival, but against an organized country hell bent on wiping you off the map and exterminating your people until there's no more. See? You're doing it again, instead of trying to understand what I'm saying "it's a battle between two sides" you pick on specific words "good and bad", because to you this is not a debate where we try to understand each other's points of view, it's just a battle of words. I mean yeah obviously I said those words, but anyone with half a brain can tell from the context that "good and evil" is not my point. Again you're gonna give me a life lesson about change, I'm fine with change in general, I just don't like where this story is going because of many issues I mentioned already. And yeah the show was about humanity's extinction, they mentioned humanity vs titans in every important scene in season 1, the writer emphasized on this concept everytime something happened. Technically most battles in general are for survival, but this is no more about humanity's survival, if the MC's side loses the battle it won't be the end of the world, sure the stakes are still high, but they're definitely lower. |
DiabloMask said: AiHikari said: I mean, you can't say something and then say you haven't said it. Not how this works. "humanity is no longer on the verge of extinction, now it's just a battle between good guys and bad guys" You said it yourself, NOW IT'S JUST a battle between good guys and bad guys, I don't think I need to explain to you what you yourself have said. And yes, you can not like it, but that's just a normal reaction to when things change, after a while if you don't like, then you don't like it, but could just be aversion to change, which happens often. Shows changing and evolving is how they keep being engaging, especially when everything ties up in such a satisfying way. And yes you can say that it's not 'extinction of humanity', but was never about it, was just an illusion. It's basically a World War, which isn't a smaller scope by any way, it's quite massive if you stop to think about it, it's still a battle for survival, but against an organized country hell bent on wiping you off the map and exterminating your people until there's no more. See? You're doing it again, instead of trying to understand what I'm saying "it's a battle between two sides" you pick on specific words "good and bad", because to you this is not a debate where we try to understand each other's points of view, it's just a battle of words. I mean yeah obviously I said those words, but anyone with half a brain can tell from the context that "good and evil" is not my point. Again you're gonna give me a life lesson about change, I'm fine with change in general, I just don't like where this story is going because of many issues I mentioned already. And yeah the show was about humanity's extinction, they mentioned humanity vs titans in every important scene in season 1, the writer emphasized on this concept everytime something happened. Technically most battles in general are for survival, but this is no more about humanity's survival, if the MC's side loses the battle it won't be the end of the world, sure the stakes are still high, but they're definitely lower. It will be the end of the world inside the walls, the world that we have been following since season 1. And the series has been foreshadowing it for a good while now.  |
keragammingJun 27, 2019 12:40 PM
Jim_Heart said: What the heck about the last scene ? How could Eren Krueger had memories from future ? So it is true that free will is illusion after all ? I understood it as Eren Kruger being influenced by those strings of fate dedicated for titans and which originated from that legendary Ymir. They were mentioned earlier as "the Coordinate". Tell me if I'm wrong, but if we assume that this Coordinate is a source of all living matter at least for the people of Paradis, then it might allow certain people in random moments to see missions of things that are to happen in the future. Something like an ultimate precognition. |
AdnashJun 27, 2019 1:17 PM
| Meh, really don't like all thoses things about two humans civilisations |
keragamming said: DiabloMask said: See? You're doing it again, instead of trying to understand what I'm saying "it's a battle between two sides" you pick on specific words "good and bad", because to you this is not a debate where we try to understand each other's points of view, it's just a battle of words. I mean yeah obviously I said those words, but anyone with half a brain can tell from the context that "good and evil" is not my point. Again you're gonna give me a life lesson about change, I'm fine with change in general, I just don't like where this story is going because of many issues I mentioned already. And yeah the show was about humanity's extinction, they mentioned humanity vs titans in every important scene in season 1, the writer emphasized on this concept everytime something happened. Technically most battles in general are for survival, but this is no more about humanity's survival, if the MC's side loses the battle it won't be the end of the world, sure the stakes are still high, but they're definitely lower. Inside the wall =/= the whole world. You can play with words all you want, it doesn't change what I said "the stakes are still high but they're definitely lower". |
| I know I'm on the extreme minority here, but I'm starting to think this show died with Erwin Smith. |
DiabloMask said: Inside the wall =/= the whole world. You can play with words all you want, it doesn't change what I said "the stakes are still high but they're definitely lower". How are they lower? The whole world with military armies and a few Titan shifters is more dangerous than the mindless Titans themself. Without the shifters the mindless Titans would not be able to even enter the walls, how in God Earth are the stakes lower? You need to fix your glasses mate, because you make no sense. |
| I fucking knew it! I fucking, fucking knew it! "Attack on Titan"?!?! I fucking knew it!!!!!!! After years of uncertainty, I feel personally vindicated. I can sleep now. Of course after that last line, it means I didn't really know it. Whatever. |
| Ok, so why did Kruger mention about Armin and Mikasa when they're yet to be born???? |
Edylson said: Phanyx7 said: I know I'm on the extreme minority here, but I'm starting to think this show died with Erwin Smith. True words never been spoken, Erwin should've lived, although i disagree that the show died, matter of fact it just started He was too broken to continue living. |
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