Toaru Majutsu no Index III Episode 4 Discussion

allenjke said:
If this is what the NT awaits, i want to cry now already. There'll be so many characters and there's no way they will introduce them properly ...

thepath said:
Amazing episode. Best episode so far




Many of the new characters are actually not new. They appeared in Railgun S (2nd season). You probably did not watch it. And judging from the preview, it seems more characters from railgun will appear next episode also

allenjke said:


I don't even know if you are trolling or what, i feel like most of the time i see your comments you are. FYI NT stands for New Testament and it's the continuation novel for Index. I don't know i should probably say like i didn't watch Index and Railgun to match your tempo, something like that.

MahiaErebeaNegi said:

Actually that baths thing was from the Twitter post (Forgot if it was from Nishikiori or the official Toaru Project's account, though), he posting a tweet about "When you talk about Index series, you will thinking of having bath." or something like that.

As for the interview....


And yet somehow the manga adaptation and the Chinese MMO game are did way better job at adapt those screens than the anime does lol, this is just an excuse to not gonna try to think how to handles these difficult-to-animate screens in the anime. (I can't believe I actually praise that Chinese MMO game despite it's garbage gacha system and being forced you to pay real moneys to get character like Kakine or Hamazura to be purchasable on gacha system).

allenjke said:
If this is what the NT awaits, i want to cry now already. There'll be so many characters and there's no way they will introduce them properly ...

-Koga- said:
Battle Royale is finally here aaaand...I'm so confused lol. Even thought I read the novel a couple of years ago I still didn't get much of what was happening. Again, pace was terrible even for light novel readers and it's still more problematic for anime watchers only.

By the way there was some questions regarding ITEM when watching the episode yesterday with my brother (novel reader as well, couldn't remember some details). Has Mugino and co. appeared before, not counting Railgun S2?

DarkLunacy said:
Just remembered what I didn't like about Index/Railgun, that everyone is connected but no one has idea of what the others are doing or is happening.

-Koga- said:
Battle Royale is finally here aaaand...I'm so confused lol. Even thought I read the novel a couple of years ago I still didn't get much of what was happening. Again, pace was terrible even for light novel readers and it's still more problematic for anime watchers only.

By the way there was some questions regarding ITEM when watching the episode yesterday with my brother (novel reader as well, couldn't remember some details). Has Mugino and co. appeared before, not counting Railgun S2?

Tiau said:

No, the only one in that side of things that's appeared before was just Hamazura, Mugino and ITEM's first appearance is in this novel.

Tiau said:


There's not much to introduce when the novel itself didn't really do that at all either. NT4 will be a similar case, I really don't see the problem with what they did here. OT15 by design is supposed to be chaotic.

-Koga- said:


No wonder why he was kinda lost at their introduction. He hasn't watched Railgun, though he was familiar with Mugino and ITEM but that didn't help that much.

Tiau said:

Eh I wouldn't really say that, as much as I like playing the game right now the anime does have it beat for its OT15 adaptation. Really the best thing game is best at is doing stuff like Dummy Izzard which is skipped by both manga and anime(manga skips the entire volume infact).

Also I don't know who told you that you needed to pay money to get characters like Kakine and Hamazura considering neither of them are currently released and have only been playable in the test server. On top of that Hamazura is of the lowest rarity possible, while Kakine is a SSR chances are you can get him guaranteed like you could Arisa by having some dosh saved up. I have everyone currently released in the game except for the collabs and SSR Mikoto because I don't really want em and I couldn't pay money even if I wanted to as I'm not Chinese..

MahiaErebeaNegi said:

I haven't play OT15 storyline yet on the game (I'm just and stuck on first chapter of Daihasei arc due to how OP Index was and my characters' level is too low). Well I'm just comparing the C-Document Arc, since BR just started in this episode so it's no fair to comparing this arc so soon.

I was actually disappointed a bit that Terra's death screen was skipped in the game, though.

As for the game, oh really? That does explains why character like Kakine is nowhere to be seen in-game roster so far. I make that assuming because that's how 80% of China games was handled (Being to lock some asset on paywall and you're forced to pay money to just simply become stronger).

On a side note, wow you actually get almost all characters in-game so far? I tried so hard to uses the gacha system and yet all the best I can get was just Mugino.

CeddyyBearr said:

Tsuchimikado, sure travels fast going to France and back to academy city like it's nothing.

hazarddex said:


eh hem

http://toarumajutsunoindex.wikia.com/wiki/Supersonic_Passenger_Plane

"It can go from Japan to Western Europe in about 2 hours."

Kaiser_Senpai said:
Railgun's director is a lot, like, a LOT better than Nishikiori, jeez..
I mean Index sold +15k in both seasons that's why this guy is still on charge... feelsbad.. 7 years to do something good and the production is hell rushed, this shouldn't be possible. Nishikiori is too bad, 0 contacts, 0 love for what's doing.. Whatever..

DarkSynopsis said:
I don't know what just happened...

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

go read the LN it's much better and you will understand , this volume is worth it , it's so good the anime adaptation is just bad

Tiau said:

You wouldn't understand anything more than what the anime currently covered, unless you read ahead of what the anime currently covered which makes your point moot because obviously it would make less sense than the full story.

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:


really ? they didn't give any explanation to why ITEM is moving , they just said " they ignored our warning " why did they warn them ? why did they go to stop them ? they didn't say anything , in the LN hamazura went to steel a car for them and the woman that instruct ITEM called mugino and we knew why they were moving , in the anime they cut out all that conversation so the anime only viewers won't know anything , and when accelerator went to save monaka , they cut so much from the LN , it was just a small scene accel went and blow something and that's it , it was so stupid and rushed , and unabara didn't call group while they were in the car , he called accel when he was in that car he jumped in at the end of the episode , even if they wanted to make it early to save some time , unabara wasn't able to escape from block at that time he wanted to but he couldn't , there was always people around him so he wasn't able to be alone in the street like the anime showed , and if he was able to escape from them and call accel while he was in the street why he didn't just escape ? it wasn't like that in the LN :/ and at the beginning they didn't say that unabara was in Management apartment , how the anime viewers will know ? and when GROUP went to that apartment after it's destruction they found everything in 1 second like if they knew everything , so stupid tbh , and there's the awful animation and more and more , the episode wasn't good at all

Tiau said:

You really should use some formatting. And no you should probably rewatch, because they actually did explain why they’re moving against school and the message from their instructor was actually apart of the text, one that also explained what happened with Monaka, though you can blame subs for that. But what actually went down between them(and as a result, the fate of the sniper) wasn’t explained in the LN either. How they acquired their cars wouldn’t have made it any easier to follow, Etzali also never left, you what? And they did tell the viewers why he was in the apartment, and tell me how exactly would spending more time on them trying to find the money would make the volume easier to understand at the beginning? You really didn’t answer anything.

Numi said:
I am disappointed they cut that Accelerator scene from the prologue. Novel readers, you know the one. Seven million yen, is all I will say.

Tiau said:

If it’s what it think it is then I think you got the wrong arc, but I’d have to double check when I get home

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:


okay i downloaded GJM sub now and watched the part with the info hamzura sent to them , and the text didn't have anything about their instructor , it was just info about what happened to monaka , so when did they explain why ITEM is moving against SCHOOL ?
i didn't say that How they acquired their cars would have made it better , i just said that part about hamazura steeling the car cuz it was when the lady that tell them what to do called mugino
etzali wasn't with block when he called accel he was in the street , why he didn't escape at that time , if he was able to go far from them why did he stay with block ? in the ln he wanted to leave block but he couldn't because they were always around him , in the ln when he called he was hiding in a room and talked with low voice so it made sense
i didn't say spending more time in the searching will make it easier to understand , i said it was just a stupid a scene , like they knew where everything was and just got it in a second .
the episode was so rushed and so many scenes felt stupid
and sorry for the bad formatting i don't write in english frequently

Tiau said:


https://www.reddit.com/r/toarumajutsunoindex/comments/9rkmuc/comment/e8iiua5 See this, someone already went though and noted the differences or explained some things that was in the anime(they called it a good adaptation too) the liaison conversation wouldn’t have told people anything new, as it was Mugino not listening to her when she was trying to tell them Monaka was being targeted by school(which the text did regardless)and decided going after school because she’s had unfinished business(exactly the same as the anime)
What I’m trying to tell you is that at this point in the novel you’ll be in the exact same place as in the anime.

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:


i think you don't remember what did she said in the ln , the conversation was important
look https://imgur.com/a/2Y7IjLB
she was trying to tell her to go to district 5 and she told them what's their job , that didn't get mentioned in the anime we don't know what's ITEM job or why they try to stop SCHOOL
you say she went after them cuz she’s had unfinished business , what unfinished business ? in the anime they said they killed their sniper but didn't say why they tried to warn them or what's their profit from all of this
anyway there's more shit in the episode other than this

Tiau said:

You shot yourself in the foot because you didn’t get the point of that scene, she’s telling them to do SOMETHING ELSE and Mugino refused because she would rather go after SCHOOL. If you read the link posted this was already explained. The liaison did not tell them to attack SCHOOL, this was not apart of their job.

By the way, don’t ask about what’s going on in district 5, this is a spoiler for the next part

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:


Sigh
I didn't say they went after SCHOOL cuz of that lady , the lady said what's item's job or roll here , mugino went for SCHOOL because they ignored the warning , but why did they warn them in the first place ? Doesn't get mentioned in the anime , they just did it , which the lady explained why in the conversation they did it because she told them to do and that's their job to eliminate the unrest in AC , how anime viewers supposed to know this ? Like i said in last comment we don't know why they tried to warn them , they didn't give any reason or explanation in the anime
I know the point of the conversation she tells them what to do , mugino refuses and then they agree to go after SCHOOL but there's important info within it ._.
And i read the ln so i won't ask

Tiau said:

When he did, Kinuhata spoke in surprise.
“Oh, this is that super plan of School’s. But I was super sure we had taken out their
assassination sniper three days ago...”
“They probably just hired a new one. Well, I suppose this means they ignored our
‘warning’.”
exactly from the novel and the scene is the exact same in the anime, the warning was them killing the old sniper, a incident we STILL have not had any new information on years later. There is no explanation that they missed, the liason conversation is irrelevant as we already know that ITEM is a group similar to GROUP and the others because Tsuchi literally said this before the commercial break. So I ask again, how would reading the LN TO this exact point, leave the readers any better off?

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

Sigh , I'm tired from writing this much , just forget about it

Tiau said:

Probably wouldn't be tired if you just had answered the question or you know, just read the post outlining everything the anime changed or in some cases added to.
I mean come on now, the plot is not harmed whatsoever here.
"SCHOOL,MEMBER,BLOCK and ITEM are like us"
the viewer already knows GROUP works for the board of directors to protect AC from harm.
Hamazura's text literally states they had to hire a new sniper to do the assassination attempt.
Mugino and Saiai then start talking about how they ignored their warning of killing the previous sniper, one does not need much more to piece together that they killed the sniper to prevent this assassination attempt. But now the problem for the viewer is not infact these specific occurrences, it is WHY these are all happening. And as of right now in either the novel or the anime it is not answered until later chapters.

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

I just reread the volume yesterday , i know the differences and anyway i took a look on the link that you sent and i still see it was very rushed
And as i said above i don't write in english very often so it's tiring for me to write all of this
Anyway we will see what they will do in the next episode maybe they'll add some of the scenes they skiped

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

I just reread the volume yesterday , i know the differences and anyway i took a look on the link that you sent and i still see it was very rushed
And as i said above i don't write in english very often so it's tiring for me to write all of this
Anyway we will see what they will do in the next episode maybe they'll add some of the scenes they skiped

Stormfire__ said:
Reading the comments here makes me more and more worried about how the later arcs will turn out. Heck, I might just drop the anime altogether if the subsequent episodes are as fast-paced and nonsense as what we've got so far.

Honestly, so far this hangs just barely above a low 7/10.