Toaru Majutsu no Index III Episode 2 Discussion

Oct 13, 2018 8:34 AM

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i think 3 episodes per vol is good . however i wonder why is level of the animation lower than railgun s ?

Oct 13, 2018 8:50 AM

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meluoon said:
i think 3 episodes per vol is good . however i wonder why is level of the animation lower than railgun s ?

Probably because J.C Staff was busying and putting more budgets on One Punch Man Season 2 (Which air on 2019)?

Oct 13, 2018 9:45 AM

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Except for the beginning a bit boring, because of the fanservice, the rest of the narration becomes more and more interesting and intriguing, when it reaches the end to the clash between Touma and the enemy, my attention was maximum, wow ! Not bad the backdrops of Avignon. Funny Itsuwa, the drawings and animations were really good quality.

Oct 13, 2018 10:00 AM

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meluoon said:
i think 3 episodes per vol is good.

Why?

Volumes vary in length so this can be really bad for some of them.

Oct 13, 2018 10:43 AM

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guys , the animation is not bad , it is actually good . but it is not as good as it must be . i was looking for some thing not less than railgun s . however , i am glad that i am having a 3th season of index . which we were really hoping for

Oct 13, 2018 10:52 AM

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Botato said:

meluoon said:
i think 3 episodes per vol is good.

Why?

Volumes vary in length so this can be really bad for some of them.

you are right , but the average of each vol about 220 to 200 pages . so each 70 pages will have 20 mints . which is the usual and i think they can cover most of the important thinks within this time
of course if they increases the episodes that will be better

Oct 13, 2018 1:04 PM

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Botato said:

Crashmatt said:
One thing that I always find strange about this series is that the main character Index is hardly ever in it. She's constantly upstaged and surpassed by every other female character in the show. I get the impression the author had second thoughts and sidelined her making Mikasa best girl intentionally.

The thing is, Index is NOT a main character. Not even close.

Just because her name is in the title doesn't mean she's THE main character. This series was originally meant to end after the first volume which was Index's story, but Kamachi was given a chance to expand it. He wanted to give each volume a different name but that's a pretty risky idea so his editors talked him out of it and the series got stuck with Index.

Thanks I didn't know that. It explains why she's pretty much disregarded after the first part of season one. Its fine though as Index is massively irritating.

Oct 13, 2018 1:19 PM

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Well got to see more of the imagine breaker in this episode against the right seat. Stiyl's interrogation with that woman felt a bit out of place; because that was the first scene out of the blue at the start of the episode. And there no less fan service as well; ltsuwa doing it this time

Oct 13, 2018 11:46 PM

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I am a bit sad the gag of Touma struggling to place his order in English was cut.

Yeah. I was looking forward to that one too. I mean, when else is Touma supposed to show off the english he's been studying on his phone to throw insults at the enemies. Especially seeing as those enemies always seem to speak Japanese rendering his plan moot.

Oct 14, 2018 3:35 AM

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Nice episode of Toaru Majutsu no TOUMA... I mean Index III. :v

LOL! Touma's right hand... what happened? XP

Itsu-WOW!

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Oct 14, 2018 6:13 AM

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otaku_nerd7 said:
Well got to see more of the imagine breaker in this episode against the right seat. Stiyl's interrogation with that woman felt a bit out of place; because that was the first scene out of the blue at the start of the episode. And there no less fan service as well; ltsuwa doing it this time

Thats the LN part about introduction who god right seat is, so you cant ignore that part.

Oct 14, 2018 6:16 AM

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meluoon said:
guys , the animation is not bad , it is actually good . but it is not as good as it must be . i was looking for some thing not less than railgun s . however , i am glad that i am having a 3th season of index . which we were really hoping for

Well, this arc easily weakest arc in term of action & story content, so I didnt really hoping something amazing about this arc. Index great arc started at battle royale arc and above.

Next episode is about academy city movement in avignon which I hope JC will animated it very well.

Oct 14, 2018 8:24 AM

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itsuwa look so delicious lol, so far so good i think document c arc is 2 episode, i guess i am wrong. jc staff doing good job animate index and the background look so detail.

Oct 14, 2018 10:49 AM

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I’m pretty confused by some of the explanations. I’m an anime only watcher and I can’t recall all the lore from the previous seasons. All the church’s history confuses me since it’s based on actual Christian/catholic events but with a twist.

So the document of Constantine can be used in Avignon because the pope was locked up there and made a geoduck (like a magic pipeline?) that’s connected to the magic in the Vatican? Am I following this correctly?

And the right seat of god people confuse me. So first off I think I’m forgetting how magic works in this world. Is it that the less sin you have, the more powerful your magic is? And how are the right seat of god people diluting their sin? What’s the loophole??? I’m so confused!

I also am going to be honest: I completely forgot who who Itsuwa and the Amakusa church is. Looks like I’m going to have to go back and see where she was intrudced and read some wiki summaries. It’s been a while since I watched Index II, so it’s been kind of hard to remember everything.

EDIT:

Ok I did some refreshing on the wiki and I now remember how magic works again. Basically it's life energy from the soul that is converted into supernatural phenomenon. It needs time and preparation to use spells and using magic through magic items transfers the strain of using magic on the item instead of the user. Also the closer the item is the intended purpose of the magic then the stronger it'll be. And there's certain traditions and practices passed down through certain religious groups like christians and buddists, so they have different ways of converting and using magic, though it seems like a lot magic from the western side originated from pagans in Norse and Celtic culture. ALSO magicians can use a vast array of magic unlike espers who are limited to their one ability and they can use magic under pretty much any condition, it just takes time and preparation to get it right unlike espers that can use their abilities on command. There's also other ways to access magic through ley lines or magic pipelines, which is how the document of Constantine is being used. Ok that clears up some stuff.

I also rewatched the episodes where Itsuwa was in and the one where she first gave Touma the towel, I remember her and Amakusa now and that Kanzaki used to be apart of them. And that Amakusa has a connection to the Anglicans. Alright, things make more sense now!

LoomyTheBrewOct 14, 2018 12:44 PM

Oct 14, 2018 11:02 AM

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LoomyTheBrew said:
I’m pretty confused by some of the explanations. I’m an anime only watcher and I can’t recall all the lore from the previous seasons. All the church’s history confuses me since it’s based on actual Christian/catholic events but with a twist.

So the document of Constantine can be used in Avignon because the pope was locked up there and made a geoduck (like a magic pipeline?) that’s connected to the magic in the Vatican? Am I following this correctly?

I would definitely recommend reading the LNs since the anime cuts out a lot of the explanations, especially since they're trying to cover 9 volumes worth of content in 26 episodes this season. Anyway, here's a passage from the LNs that will hopefully help you understand why they are using the C-document in Avignon instead of the Vatican.

“It probably takes a long time to get approval to use the C-Document. The 141 cardinals at the top of the Roman Catholic Church must all be in agreement about it. The pope has a lot of power within the church, but he can’t use the C-Document on his decision alone. I think that’s why it hasn’t been used very often until now.”

“There are conflicts between factions within the Roman Catholic Church and that rule prevents the C-Document from being used during one of those conflicts.”

“According to some information I heard, they don’t need all of the cardinals’ approval to control something via Avignon because the method is so irregular. But at the same time, since they are not activating it directly at the Vatican, preparations have to be made in Avignon causing the activation to not be instantaneous like usual. And that means that if we stop the C-Document now, we may be able to stop the chaos spreading throughout the world completely.”

So in other words, normally all 141 cardinals must be in agreement, to prevent the Pope from using it to combat certain factions within the Church itself (proclaiming cardinals he doesn't like to be heretics, for example). Using it in Avignon doesn't have this restriction since it's highly irregular, but this also causes the effect not to be instantaneous due to it not being used in the proper place, meaning Touma & co can still put a stop to the C-Document if they get to it fast enough.

LoomyTheBrew said:
And the right seat of god people confuse me. So first off I think I’m forgetting how magic works in this world. Is it that the less sin you have, the more powerful your magic is? And how are the right seat of god people diluting their sin? What’s the loophole??? I’m so confused!

I also am going to be honest: I completely forgot who who Itsuwa and the Amakusa church is. Looks like I’m going to have to go back and see where she was intrudced and read some wiki summaries. It’s been a while since I watched Index II, so it’s been kind of hard to remember everything.

God's Right Seat has their members dilute their original sin as much as possible through artificial methods using a spell, using the basis that the Virgin Mary's original sin disappeared after being deeply touched by the Holy Spirit. And Itsuwa and the Amakusa were featured in the Orsola Rescue Arc and Ice Boat Arc of season 2.

Oct 14, 2018 11:48 AM

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XeNoX101 said:

LoomyTheBrew said:
I’m pretty confused by some of the explanations. I’m an anime only watcher and I can’t recall all the lore from the previous seasons. All the church’s history confuses me since it’s based on actual Christian/catholic events but with a twist.

So the document of Constantine can be used in Avignon because the pope was locked up there and made a geoduck (like a magic pipeline?) that’s connected to the magic in the Vatican? Am I following this correctly?

I would definitely recommend reading the LNs since the anime cuts out a lot of the explanations, especially since they're trying to cover 9 volumes worth of content in 26 episodes this season. Anyway, here's a passage from the LNs that will hopefully help you understand why they are using the C-document in Avignon instead of the Vatican.

“It probably takes a long time to get approval to use the C-Document. The 141 cardinals at the top of the Roman Catholic Church must all be in agreement about it. The pope has a lot of power within the church, but he can’t use the C-Document on his decision alone. I think that’s why it hasn’t been used very often until now.”

“There are conflicts between factions within the Roman Catholic Church and that rule prevents the C-Document from being used during one of those conflicts.”

“According to some information I heard, they don’t need all of the cardinals’ approval to control something via Avignon because the method is so irregular. But at the same time, since they are not activating it directly at the Vatican, preparations have to be made in Avignon causing the activation to not be instantaneous like usual. And that means that if we stop the C-Document now, we may be able to stop the chaos spreading throughout the world completely.”

So in other words, normally all 141 cardinals must be in agreement, to prevent the Pope from using it to combat certain factions within the Church itself (proclaiming cardinals he doesn't like to be heretics, for example). Using it in Avignon doesn't have this restriction since it's highly irregular, but this also causes the effect not to be instantaneous due to it not being used in the proper place, meaning Touma & co can still put a stop to the C-Document if they get to it fast enough.

LoomyTheBrew said:
And the right seat of god people confuse me. So first off I think I’m forgetting how magic works in this world. Is it that the less sin you have, the more powerful your magic is? And how are the right seat of god people diluting their sin? What’s the loophole??? I’m so confused!

I also am going to be honest: I completely forgot who who Itsuwa and the Amakusa church is. Looks like I’m going to have to go back and see where she was intrudced and read some wiki summaries. It’s been a while since I watched Index II, so it’s been kind of hard to remember everything.

God's Right Seat has their members dilute their original sin as much as possible through artificial methods using a spell, using the basis that the Virgin Mary's original sin disappeared after being deeply touched by the Holy Spirit. And Itsuwa and the Amakusa were featured in the Orsola Rescue Arc and Ice Boat Arc of season 2.

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Oct 14, 2018 12:35 PM

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XeNoX101 said:

LoomyTheBrew said:
I’m pretty confused by some of the explanations. I’m an anime only watcher and I can’t recall all the lore from the previous seasons. All the church’s history confuses me since it’s based on actual Christian/catholic events but with a twist.

So the document of Constantine can be used in Avignon because the pope was locked up there and made a geoduck (like a magic pipeline?) that’s connected to the magic in the Vatican? Am I following this correctly?

I would definitely recommend reading the LNs since the anime cuts out a lot of the explanations, especially since they're trying to cover 9 volumes worth of content in 26 episodes this season. Anyway, here's a passage from the LNs that will hopefully help you understand why they are using the C-document in Avignon instead of the Vatican.

“It probably takes a long time to get approval to use the C-Document. The 141 cardinals at the top of the Roman Catholic Church must all be in agreement about it. The pope has a lot of power within the church, but he can’t use the C-Document on his decision alone. I think that’s why it hasn’t been used very often until now.”

“There are conflicts between factions within the Roman Catholic Church and that rule prevents the C-Document from being used during one of those conflicts.”

“According to some information I heard, they don’t need all of the cardinals’ approval to control something via Avignon because the method is so irregular. But at the same time, since they are not activating it directly at the Vatican, preparations have to be made in Avignon causing the activation to not be instantaneous like usual. And that means that if we stop the C-Document now, we may be able to stop the chaos spreading throughout the world completely.”

So in other words, normally all 141 cardinals must be in agreement, to prevent the Pope from using it to combat certain factions within the Church itself (proclaiming cardinals he doesn't like to be heretics, for example). Using it in Avignon doesn't have this restriction since it's highly irregular, but this also causes the effect not to be instantaneous due to it not being used in the proper place, meaning Touma & co can still put a stop to the C-Document if they get to it fast enough.

LoomyTheBrew said:
And the right seat of god people confuse me. So first off I think I’m forgetting how magic works in this world. Is it that the less sin you have, the more powerful your magic is? And how are the right seat of god people diluting their sin? What’s the loophole??? I’m so confused!

I also am going to be honest: I completely forgot who who Itsuwa and the Amakusa church is. Looks like I’m going to have to go back and see where she was intrudced and read some wiki summaries. It’s been a while since I watched Index II, so it’s been kind of hard to remember everything.

God's Right Seat has their members dilute their original sin as much as possible through artificial methods using a spell, using the basis that the Virgin Mary's original sin disappeared after being deeply touched by the Holy Spirit. And Itsuwa and the Amakusa were featured in the Orsola Rescue Arc and Ice Boat Arc of season 2.

Thanks for that, I also rewatched some episodes from season 2 so I understand who all these people are again haha.

Oct 14, 2018 2:29 PM

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NIce episode. White pantsu for the win. Good villain.

ALso, mah boy accelerator next week.

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Oct 15, 2018 1:26 PM

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Man, it must be because it's been so long and I have no idea what they're talking about anymore but the exposition is really boring.

Their excuse to swap into a sultry outfit feels a bit old fashion but I'm all for more cleavage.

Feels like my prediction on the animation quality dropping is slowly showing itself to be the case. I hope they can at least keep it up for the fight scenes.

PaulOct 15, 2018 1:30 PM

Oct 15, 2018 6:09 PM

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With all the world-building as extensive as Mass Effect, I guess watching the subbed does not give much more comprehensive understanding than not. Perhaps I should either dig into the LN or read the wiki a bit.

Oct 15, 2018 6:26 PM

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bibotot said:
With all the world-building as extensive as Mass Effect, I guess watching the subbed does not give much more comprehensive understanding than not. Perhaps I should either dig into the LN or read the wiki a bit.

Anime cut abit too much compared the LN version.
Even manga one give more explanation but these all because anime cost more to product.

I recommend you read the LN since Index is one of the LN that has fan translation that keep up with the update instantly after the new volume were out.
The current NT21 already on work by js06.

Oct 15, 2018 7:07 PM

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bibotot said:
With all the world-building as extensive as Mass Effect, I guess watching the subbed does not give much more comprehensive understanding than not. Perhaps I should either dig into the LN or read the wiki a bit.

I recommend the LN starting from Vol 1. Since the greatest fun of the franchise is picking up all the small clues from early Vols that get all tied up together later. Which really shows that Kamachi have an idea where he was hoping to go with the story.

Also, I feel like the LN does a better job at portraying Touma's cursed fate and damnation. Cause the man is cursed with a destiny he can't go against.

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Oct 16, 2018 5:35 AM

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The animation on this episoe is a little bit off in my opinion.

Man, I'm so confuse of what happening coz I forgot the whole To Aru Majutsu plot. lol

Oct 16, 2018 7:33 PM

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So Jiraiya has turned into an evil creep now i see

Oct 16, 2018 8:47 PM

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Itsuwa is alluring!
a bit intense episode huh...
4/5.

Nov 17, 2018 7:42 AM

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Itsuwa is very sweet, i already thought so in Index II, great to see her shine with Touma.

First fight hype next episode, let's see if the animation will be fantastic for this.

Dont recall her much from S2, and since I m reading the LN and on vol10, she actually hasnt appeared yet (she appears before on the anime than she does on LN).
All I can say is praise that character design, she looks hot and cute, goddam, and I m digging her more passive personality, a breath of fresh air vs index and misaka, and a worthy addiction to the harem already.

Terra looks like a green retarded vampire or something... what a freak.

Dec 2, 2018 11:04 PM

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well the hype is full on.... the intensity increases on and on....hmmm

Dec 16, 2018 12:57 PM

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Nice episode.
Itsuwa was adorable.

Mar 23, 2019 2:24 AM

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We know more about the God's Right Seat. It's nice to see the face of Fiamma of the Right and Terra of the Left. Also, Biagio and Lidvia are back briefly.

Itsuwa is adorable!

So, this Document of Constantine makes whatever the Pope says seem to be the absolute truth, huh? Interesting.

Can't wait for the next episode.

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Apr 12, 2019 4:33 PM

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They sure went all out for the voice actors! Pretty damn amazing to hear Norio in 2019 to be honest! Really nice development in general, and quite great pacing! Up to the next episode!

May 2, 2020 11:48 AM

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MahiaErebeaNegi said:

meluoon said:
i think 3 episodes per vol is good . however i wonder why is level of the animation lower than railgun s ?

Probably because J.C Staff was busying and putting more budgets on One Punch Man Season 2 (Which air on 2019)?

This comment didn't age well :D

I don't remember the background music being so bad, it feels so cheesy and out of place.
A lot of information given to us.

Oct 12, 2020 1:22 PM

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Didn't expect best girl to already appear in episode 2, but I'm pleasantly surprised. I'm basically watching this show for the waifus anyway tbh.

Dec 6, 2020 2:54 AM

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Stiyl and Agnese.
Norio!!!!!!!
lol at Touma.
Touma sees oppai coming at him.
Oppai in Touma's face. Motorboat dat oppai.
Touma was saved by Itsuwa!
Itsuwa bra.
LAWD! Itsuwa oppai in dat outfit.
lol at Touma eating it like a Yakisoba.
That waitress is cute.
lol Itsuwa wanted to give Touma the towel.
Touma just casually using his right hand on his head. lol
Trouble has arrived.
Tsuchimikado calls.
White pantsu.
Who is attacking them?
Hochu!!!!
Terra of the Left.
Touma saves Itsuwa.
Dat ending.

Top tier best girl Itsuwa is back and her oppai look lovely as always. I know she loved spending time with Touma during this episode. With that said... the OP song is such a banger. I had it on repeat several times before I could even continue watching. It makes me happy to know my choice for Maon was right.

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Dec 24, 2020 4:16 AM

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War is really looming now with the protests, it's kinda funny to see Itsuwa still trying to give Touma some tissues/handwipes lmao

We now know 3/4 of God's Right Seat members, and 3 more for Touman to punch xD

Feb 21, 2021 5:45 AM

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Towel girl is back ! Well it seems she failed to do her towel job , now shes just boing boing girl lol

Sad theres no Saten-shi , maybe in index-tan specials 🙏

Loli world is just a cute world full of cute meat

Jun 22, 2021 2:48 AM

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Ah, yes, the power of panties.. ;P
These Right God Throne guys like their expressive fashion, I guess.. And makeup.. And stuff..

Dec 29, 2021 5:26 AM

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I will never get over the absence of Mami's opening songs, so I will refrain from commenting on the new OP, but the ED I definitely find kind of lacking. The ambient OST on the other hand is on the level of quality I would expect from a big-budget film, I'm thoroughly impressed.

The animation gets pretty low-effort at some points, I'm especially disappointed by Terra and the missing frames of the Fruli Spear's construction.

Nov 13, 2022 3:54 AM

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Had to actually look up who the girl Stiyls was interrogating was. I'm watching this series back to back but the reason I couldn't remember is cause she was hardly shown and dealt with off screen in s2 lol

But basically one of the right seats of God is some kinda monster looking guy and Itsuwa is wearing a shirt that apparently has no buttons on it lol

Dec 16, 2022 7:31 AM

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seeing more itsuwa is cool but the new imagine breaker sfx is odd. and our terra guy looks really dumb i cant take him seriously

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Mar 31, 2023 6:39 PM

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Toma to Itsuwa " man it's been a while since I last saw you"

Me: checks timeline " it has been 10 days since you last saw her Toma that's not all that long"

Jun 2, 2023 2:57 AM

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Oh she's that towel girl, my bad. Though I didn't know she was packing those much assets within her( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). Nice dress too :P

As usual the exposition is just for the sake of exposition. Long story short, they need to destroy a kind of path which connects Vatican to their present location, while facing God's right seat, who happens to be Terra of the left currently.

Also new Imagine breaker sound or whatever is fucking lame.

Jun 6, 2023 12:22 PM

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Itsuwa was so cute & sexy throughout the episode. I couldn't get my eyes off her delicious boobies!
Vento of the Front, oh yeah, that crazy chick in S2. I can't believe it's been 12 years since then. I remember waiting eagerly for S3 back then. Why did it take them so long to release it?
I just realized Index is still waiting for Touma to come home, lol.

Nov 28, 2023 1:49 PM

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This episode felt a bit fast-paced, but that's okay!

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Is it just me or has the sound for Imagine Breaker changed? It sounds a bit different and not as good imo.

The right seat of god guy be pretty tough, should be a pretty interesting fight.

Also, Accelerator in the preview there, that is sure to be fun!

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