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| Looks like they put their 90% into main heroine, and 10% into anything else. And a hundred percent reason to remember the name... Who came up with this title ROFLMAO. |
| Probably the strongest pilot episode of any anime this season and I don't know if any show for the rest of the year will be over throw it for the title. |
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| Only started watching this for A1-Pics' crybaby characters (didn't disappoint) and neat animation I would expect from trigger. The whole episode was pretty okayish until the final segment which was supposed to make me go "OMG! THIS IS IT!" but I have seen enough anime so it gave me a damper instead. Reminded me of the dreadful Star Driver and looked awfully like an anime that is tailored for those who haven't seen many anime. Seemed like yet another anime that would go the "Oh, I have seen this before" route. Will give this anime three episodes rule. The first episode didn't impress me. So, two more episodes it will get from me to change my opinion. 3/5 Edit: CJ_Kiyoruki said: A brunette with feelings for the main protagonist dies. That's a lot of budget they had going for them if they hired a renowned seiyuu like Koshimizu Ami for those two minutes worth of dialogues. |
shanimebibJan 16, 2018 1:33 AM
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| Rock solid first episode. Trigger saving anime as per usual. People keep bitching that the first episode was lackluster, or had too much info in it or felt rushed...uhh, any y'all fucking watched Kill la Kill? It was the exact same way. DitF has 24 episodes too. Take a damn pill, everything they mentioned will be explained and questions will be answered. Trigger does that shit all the time. Sure we don't know what 002's Stamen is, how the connection between pairs works, why 002 has Klaxosaur blood in her, what the fuck Klaxosaurs are...blah blah blah I could go on all fucking day. Bottom line is we'll get answers. I think they only thing that felt even remotely flat was the OST. There were a couple clips of some badass sounding stuff, but it definitely didnt have the impact that Sawano brought with Kill la Kill. This episode didnt seem to have a titular main theme song at the climax like Kill la Kill did with Before My Body Is Dry. |
LeeTailor said: The Hiro and Zero Two thing is being pushed so hard, even though the characters haven't been developed at all yet. The bait is so obvious. Plus it makes me salty that no "justification" or buildup is necessary for a hetero pairing, meanwhile queer pairings are subject to disproportionately more scrutiny. Of course this is not unique to this show or anime; this is just a reminder. I heard that this episode was going to be questioning an enforced heteronormative society (which is baked into the premise), but it looks like it's also celebrating it. Also, what is this script. The incessant narration, the repetition... I'm also not a fan of most of the design. The uniforms don't look as bad as I expected but they're still pretty terrible. The characters are not very interesting in general, either. There's a lot of sakuga and the background music is nice, too, and that's about all I can take away from this episode. I have no beef with anyone who liked this episode, but I wanted to say my piece on it. It's fine, and there are some much much worse titles in the season, but I'm probably not going to watch this past next week. Maybe tone the SJW and LGBT bullshit down a bit? "Plus it makes me salty that no "justification" or buildup is necessary for a hetero pairing, meanwhile queer pairings are subject to disproportionately more scrutiny." They literally explained that all of the Franxx pairs are male/female, and they slightly implied it has something to do with the energy they produce in pairs. So you want them to force insert a gay couple just to satiate your fantasies? " I heard that this episode was going to be questioning an enforced heteronormative society (which is baked into the premise), but it looks like it's also celebrating it." You heard? where, a fujoshi fanfaction forum? No official source ever implied anything of the sort. And you're actually comparing a fictional anime old man touching a fictional anime girls ass to Harvey Weinstein and legitimate sexual assaults and rape? Stupid fucking shit like that is exactly why nobody takes sexual assault or women speaking out seriously, because people like you get maximum level of offended at any and every little thing regardless of source or severity. Who is going to take a college girl getting gangraped at a party seriously when someone is taking a cartoon character touching a butt equally seriously? |
Jonesy974 said: LeeTailor said: I said there was no groping in the lake scene, but the episode still managed to cram in sexual assault somewhere. A character like the professor (wacky old man gropes secretary but he gets away with it and everyone still listens to him) would have been dated ten years ago, but after Weinsteingate, this kind of casual depiction of S.A. is cringeworthy. And you're actually comparing a fictional anime old man touching a fictional anime girls ass to Harvey Weinstein and legitimate sexual assaults and rape? Stupid fucking shit like that is exactly why nobody takes sexual assault or women speaking out seriously, because people like you get maximum level of offended at any and every little thing regardless of source or severity. Who is going to take a college girl getting gangraped at a party seriously when someone is taking a cartoon character touching a butt equally seriously? Butt grabbing or not, I found it kinda offending how blatantly sexist the anime is.  zzzeally said: not really convinced by the writing/story but i really like the art style and kinda reminds me of eureka seven but probably mostly because of Anemone  i'm gonna stay around for the ride maybe. Tfw Naomi (Anemone) is apparently dead in the first episode >>> High budget anime. |
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| The young boy is lucky to fight next to a "demon-girl"!!! kekeke |
Jonesy974 said: Maybe tone the SJW and LGBT bullshit down a bit?  I'd like you to consider that I'm not accusing the show of being sexist or homophobic or anything, and I'm not arguing that it's wrong to enjoy it. I was merely sharing what I felt about it, and criticized certain elements of it. That should be fine, right? This is a discussion forum, which is about sharing opinions. I will admit that I am most certainly a filthy SJW. But I'm not here to take your or anyone's anime away, you can rest assured! (Not that I have the power to do that anyways.) Fair enough. While I think think the strictly male/female partnerships are the way they are because it's a running theme and it will play an instrumental part in the show's creative statement, one could argue that the insertion of such pairings is just as contrived as anything else. Stories are inherently contrived, so this is no big deal. You seem to have overlooked that my point of contention was that the Hiro/Zero-Two pairing got physical way too fast for my taste, without properly developing the characters first. Since I didn't feel like I knew much about them beyond their respective archetypes by the end of the episode, the teasing, glomping and kissing didn't hold meaning to me. It will be probably thematically relevant in the show, but you know how people often complain about same-sex relationships being "shoved down" their throats? This is the same feeling, but from the opposite side. Hence why I admitted that I was feeling "salty", not that the show was doing something objectively wrong. With that in mind, I am willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt, to see how they explore Hiro and Zero-Two's relationship in the future. This was only the first episode, after all. I was basing my assumption on one of the winter 2018 season preview guide from AnimeNewsNetwork. I believe that the author's intent isn't definitive, so official sources are not the only thing that I take into consideration when I evaluate the things I consume. (And to be honest with you, I tend to favor yuri when I'm in the mood for romance, so I don't often lurk fujoshi communities.) You are totally right in that this is not as serious, or rather, it's not serious at all - I should have made that more clear. I merely noted that such casual inclusion of sexual assault, in the present atmosphere where people who have experienced things like this are feeling more empowered to share their stories, carries the unfortunate implication that the writers might not really care, or that they might not take the topic seriously, in addition to the usual implication that S.A. is a "normal and natural" part of employment for women, or that those who are e.g. groped should just "learn to take a joke". Though of course it is a mistake to assume malice from the creators; this is probably an unintentional oversight, so connecting this to Yutaka Yamamoto's disgusting blog post (and overall character) was unfair of me, and I apologize for that. Either way, just because there are worse problems, it doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't criticize media when it does things like this. It's important to consider the context for what the old man did. He does it, faces no consequences for it, and it's implied that it's the assistant's fault for being too uptight ([referring to the assistant's butt] "I wish the seats and your personality were this soft and yielding."). Consider that in anime accidental groping (or even accidentally spotting a girl in any state of undress) usually prompts a slap or an over-the-top beatdown. In contrast, the professor gets away with a completely intentional butt grab, without even a slap on the wrist, even though there are people standing around, clearly witnessing the act. Add to that, the assistant's reaction implies that this is not the first time. All this implies is that the people he works with condone and enable the professor's abuse, either because his intellect and skills are irreplaceable and thus entitle him to mistreat his co-workers, or because men in-universe don't face repercussions for these things anyways. This could later come into play in the show, or perhaps it was included for "worldbuilding", but the way it was presented felt more like a joke than commentary (judging by the shot choices and the comical sound-effect). It is also possible that the assistant has feelings for the professor, she secretly enjoys it, or they are already in a relationship, but we have no evidence for any of that in this episode (and neither would be an excuse). The reason why victims are not taken seriously is a lot more complicated topic, and implying that I'm part of the reason why it happens feels a little unfair to me. Another thing worth considering is that if we never talk about sexual assault, it may remain a taboo topic, which can stifle other, more important discussion on the topic . I'm not saying that whining about S.A. in anime will save the world (or anyone for that matter), but I don't think it's especially harmful either. Well, sorry for dumping all this text on you. I appreciate it if you made it this far. If you have anything more to add, feel free to send me a PM; I'm open to continuing the discussion.  |
LeeTailorJan 16, 2018 4:46 AM
| You guys are just overreacting to anything This is a fictional world, with fictional characters and with a fictional story. Nothing has to be taken so seriously |
| Solid start, really liking the designs of the mechs. Not sure how I feel about the MC yet but Zero Two seems interesting. |
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Xenocrisi said: You guys are just overreacting to anything This is a fictional world, with fictional characters and with a fictional story. Nothing has to be taken so seriously Trigger getting people triggered and its only been 1 episode. I'm not sure I'll look at these threads for 23 more weeks if this is what's being talked about. |
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| I think it was an accident, or not? :/ |
| It seems pretty cool so far. Slightly derivative of other shows, but I'm okay with that. I really like the art style so far too. The only thing is that this felt super rushed. Everything felt like a blur, aside from the sequence where he meets 002. I kinda wish they split it into two episodes and developed these ideas a bit more. However, it's just the first episode. Maybe they wanted to toss all these ideas into the pot so we could get to the good stuff. Most first episodes aren't really indicative of the quality of the series. |
ChangeLeopardonJan 16, 2018 9:00 PM
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| I liked it. I hope for a little more comedy a la Kill la Kill and Gurren Lagann but I guess they had to setup the premise. That robot transformation scene. So wierd. Very Trigger vibes. |
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| This is a hella good show :O! That sexy girl jesus! >:3 |
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| Holy shit all that SJW and wannabe sexist drama bullshit here...what is this? Reddit? |
shanimebib said: Butt grabbing or not, I found it kinda offending how blatantly sexist the anime is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang |
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Username23489023 said: shanimebib said: Butt grabbing or not, I found it kinda offending how blatantly sexist the anime is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang Or like...opposite charges of a magnet. |
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| What an introduction! That was an extremely eventful debut episode. The action sequences felt like a fresh throwback to the old school Mecha anime. The animation are splendid to look at, and the story premise feels pretty cool. I have a feeling this show will be one to look out for the season. Trigger should produce more Mecha anime! I think their animation totally captures the feel of the standards of Mecha anime, and this might turn out to be the best project they've worked on. |
LeeTailor said: Jonesy974 said: Maybe tone the SJW and LGBT bullshit down a bit? I'd like you to consider that I'm not accusing the show of being sexist or homophobic or anything, and I'm not arguing that it's wrong to enjoy it. I was merely sharing what I felt about it, and criticized certain elements of it. That should be fine, right? This is a discussion forum, which is about sharing opinions. I will admit that I am most certainly a filthy SJW. But I'm not here to take your or anyone's anime away, you can rest assured! (Not that I have the power to do that anyways.) Fair enough. While I think think the strictly male/female partnerships are the way they are because it's a running theme and it will play an instrumental part in the show's creative statement, one could argue that the insertion of such pairings is just as contrived as anything else. Stories are inherently contrived, so this is no big deal. You seem to have overlooked that my point of contention was that the Hiro/Zero-Two pairing got physical way too fast for my taste, without properly developing the characters first. Since I didn't feel like I knew much about them beyond their respective archetypes by the end of the episode, the teasing, glomping and kissing didn't hold meaning to me. It will be probably thematically relevant in the show, but you know how people often complain about same-sex relationships being "shoved down" their throats? This is the same feeling, but from the opposite side. Hence why I admitted that I was feeling "salty", not that the show was doing something objectively wrong. With that in mind, I am willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt, to see how they explore Hiro and Zero-Two's relationship in the future. This was only the first episode, after all. I was basing my assumption on one of the winter 2018 season preview guide from AnimeNewsNetwork. I believe that the author's intent isn't definitive, so official sources are not the only thing that I take into consideration when I evaluate the things I consume. (And to be honest with you, I tend to favor yuri when I'm in the mood for romance, so I don't often lurk fujoshi communities.) You are totally right in that this is not as serious, or rather, it's not serious at all - I should have made that more clear. I merely noted that such casual inclusion of sexual assault, in the present atmosphere where people who have experienced things like this are feeling more empowered to share their stories, carries the unfortunate implication that the writers might not really care, or that they might not take the topic seriously, in addition to the usual implication that S.A. is a "normal and natural" part of employment for women, or that those who are e.g. groped should just "learn to take a joke". Though of course it is a mistake to assume malice from the creators; this is probably an unintentional oversight, so connecting this to Yutaka Yamamoto's disgusting blog post (and overall character) was unfair of me, and I apologize for that. Either way, just because there are worse problems, it doesn't mean that we can't or shouldn't criticize media when it does things like this. It's important to consider the context for what the old man did. He does it, faces no consequences for it, and it's implied that it's the assistant's fault for being too uptight ([referring to the assistant's butt] "I wish the seats and your personality were this soft and yielding."). Consider that in anime accidental groping (or even accidentally spotting a girl in any state of undress) usually prompts a slap or an over-the-top beatdown. In contrast, the professor gets away with a completely intentional butt grab, without even a slap on the wrist, even though there are people standing around, clearly witnessing the act. Add to that, the assistant's reaction implies that this is not the first time. All this implies is that the people he works with condone and enable the professor's abuse, either because his intellect and skills are irreplaceable and thus entitle him to mistreat his co-workers, or because men in-universe don't face repercussions for these things anyways. This could later come into play in the show, or perhaps it was included for "worldbuilding", but the way it was presented felt more like a joke than commentary (judging by the shot choices and the comical sound-effect). It is also possible that the assistant has feelings for the professor, she secretly enjoys it, or they are already in a relationship, but we have no evidence for any of that in this episode (and neither would be an excuse). The reason why victims are not taken seriously is a lot more complicated topic, and implying that I'm part of the reason why it happens feels a little unfair to me. Another thing worth considering is that if we never talk about sexual assault, it may remain a taboo topic, which can stifle other, more important discussion on the topic . I'm not saying that whining about S.A. in anime will save the world (or anyone for that matter), but I don't think it's especially harmful either. Well, sorry for dumping all this text on you. I appreciate it if you made it this far. If you have anything more to add, feel free to send me a PM; I'm open to continuing the discussion. Thank Christ you were able to read that and actually rationally discuss where your points may have been right or wrong and discuss it accordingly like a grown human being. To go off a few things you still had issue with: - I think part of the reason the Hiro/002 coupling got physical so fast partly has something to do with her having that mixed blood. She had an obsession with smelling herself and wanting to be clean/moving around, so her getting physical with him (since it was basically all instigated by her), probably had a lot to do with her instincts and nature that come from her being what she is. - So...what you're trying to get at with the old doctor is that you're upset he didnt get punished for it? Are we talking like if she turned around and smacked him and left a big red anime hand print it would've been ok because there was a repercussion? We've only had this one interaction between the two of them, and who knows how much more of them we'll see together, but just from first impressions it seemed more like she didnt retaliate because she doesnt care. Obviously she dislikes it, but it could be she knows him well enough to know he just does it to tease her and lighten the mood, and that he's not some kind of sexual deviant; just some old guy obsessed with his machines. That's just pure speculation based off a single episode though, nothing can be said concretely without seeing more. - I didnt actually mean you yourself were a part of the problem. I was more or less implying that statements and thoughts like that in general were a part of the problem. It was just directed at you since I was replying to you. I mean you made your sentiments pretty clear that that's not how you were trying to present your statements originally. - I read that ANN link you cited as well. I personally didnt read anything in there that implied anything other than the vagueness we already were informed of though. - Hell yea #TeamYuri |
Jonesy974Jan 16, 2018 10:57 PM
Episode was a bit whatever until the monster showed up. When the mech changed into the "franxx" true form it reminded me of the mechs in Star Driver. Almost seems like Franxx and Cybodies are related, especially how the franxx evolved after they kissed; linking the two through "libido" |
K4ppinJan 16, 2018 11:07 PM
| My previous comments, for convenience: #1 and #2 My issue wasn't that it couldn't be explained; I was looking at the issue from a Doylist perspective. But that is a totally fair in-universe explanation; I didn't consider the animalistic traits. You didn't address some of the context (e.g. it happened while people could clearly see what was going on and no one batted an eye). This isn't like e.g. sexual assault on trains in Japan, where one can argue that the trains can be so full that there are essentially no witnesses. In the show, there are other people surrounding them at a natural distance, and they just don't give a sh*t. I'm not saying it would have been okay if she had slapped him; I was comparing negligible consequence to zero consequence in a cartoon. And this was one of the first one-on-one interactions between them in the first episode of the series. The creators decided to establish their characters in this way. It can't be dismissed easily. The things you brought up aren't actually excuses. The intent doesn't trump the victim's experience. Imagine a man groping his female employees in real life to "to tease [them] and lighten the mood." And one could say this about any kind of sexual misconduct: "it's okay because he's not some kind of sexual deviant, just some genius movie director who was so absorbed in his work that he forgot he wasn't supposed to grope people. Oops". You say the assistant doesn't care, or that she dislikes it but doesn't take it seriously. But the one thing she clearly says is "doctor, stop that". Then the scene ends. We can't assume that yes means no and no means yes. Granted, there are nuances to this in real life: for example, women are socialized to let men down easy when they're rejecting a man's sexual or romantic advances. At the same time, women are often led to believe that their sexuality is shameful, so to avoid appearing too enthusiastic about sex, sometimes they might say no when they mean yes. But this line of thinking is very dangerous, as it automatically assumes consent even when there isn't any. I understand that we don't know a lot about the show yet, but I think these attempts at hand-waving it away are equally speculative. In case you simply brought them up to imply that my arguments were speculative, fair enough, but assuming that a woman says no when she says no doesn't seem speculative to me. Based on this one episode, it takes a lot more mental gymnastics to excuse the professor's behavior, than it does to frame it as it the thing that appears to be: sexual harassment. The show doesn't offer any excuses, either, it's just eerily apathetic to it. Whether the professor is an irredeemable monster is not the real question I'm asking. My point is that his conduct is abusive, not that he needs to be burned at the stake. The fact that it's tolerated by the personnel surrounding them (and the show itself) is also disturbing. I know we are just talking about a cartoon right now, but this kind of binary assessment of individuals (someone is either a good person, or a total monster) is very reductive in real life, and it can create problems. And please don't take it the wrong way when I say something is a dangerous line of thinking. I'm not accusing you of anything! I'm not criticizing your character, only the ideas themselves. Also, I used underlining and bold text so that the sentences I highlighted can catch other users' eyes; it's not directed at you. Speaking of "pervert", the scene is clearly meant to be comedic (complete with a wacky sound effect), and the punchline is "look how perverted the professor is, even though he looks so serious". And this is a problem because it conflates acting "harmlessly perverted" (like masturbating to legal porn in the comfort of one's home) with sexual assault. (Let's not even get into the question of what it would mean if the assistant had been laughing while saying no, as it would open a can of worms I'm not prepared to deal with right now.) Fair enough. One reviewer writes "DARLING in the FRANXX quickly establishes that this is a world built on forced heteronormative relationships." And considering that all of this is happening in a dystopian setting, I drew an intuitive conclusion. It may or may not be a wrong conclusion with flawed logic, but in case you were wondering how I got to it, there you go. Phew! That's enough justice for morning. I have stuff to do now, but replies are still welcome. If you'd rather continue the conversation about the topics I brought up instea of the episode, feel free to message me. I say that because I think we may have strayed a bit off topic. Also, I'd like to ask anyone quoting this message to collapse it with a spoiler button, like so: [spoiler=quote]Your quote goes here.[/spoiler] |
LeeTailorJan 17, 2018 4:58 AM
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| Felt a little too 'normie', not to sound annoying and pretentious but since it's trigger and was expecting more grip. Still, I enjoyed it, looking forward to Saturday, let's see how it competes with TTGL! |
K4ppin said: Episode was a bit whatever until the monster showed up. When the mech changed into the "franxx" true form it reminded me of the mechs in Star Driver. Almost seems like Franxx and Cybodies are related, especially how the franxx evolved after they kissed; linking the two through "libido" I also see this and agree, though the walking on all fours bit was different! |
LeeTailor said: Wall of text +1 Respect women.  On topic though, the shows a bit generic. |
| Very melodramatic, driven on fanservice and a MC that is (again) pretty much the basic MC that has no confidence. Perfect ingredients to an anime that is going to be very much hyped by the community. I am not really feeling it, but I will definitely stick to the 3 episode rule. You never know what will happen, amiright? |
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Atlas2578 said: [le respect women meme]  You made an account just to make fun of me? Damn, I'm flattered. Also... Yes, I'm aware how silly it seems to scrutinize this one episode to this depth. In hindsight, I've blown the issue out of proportion, even in my first comment. That's not to say that I denounce any of the things I said - except for implicitly accusing the creators of being insensitive (as I've already took that back previously). It's not okay to accuse the creators of anything without proof, and even then one has to be careful. Rather, there are much trashier shows in this season, so this episode shouldn't have been the hill to die on for me. I suppose, exactly because it's actually not trashy in general (just maybe clichéd), that those few "bad" things stuck out to me. I still don't think it's completely useless to think about the media we consume. I don't expect everyone to do it, or do it my way, of course. Really, what I regret is not phrasing things better, and not sticking to only the key points I wanted to make. This way, the things I wrote make sense to me, but to readers of the thread it's a conspiracy-theory level mess. Plus merely pointing out problematic elements isn't enough, I should have had some sort of a proper conclusion. Well, I guess I learned something along the way. |
LeeTailorJan 17, 2018 1:38 PM
 Mission Failed, We’ll Get ’Em Next Time |
Atlas2578Jan 17, 2018 1:08 PM
It's meant to be ironic. In Katanagatari, some of the comic relief comes from Togame flexing her intellect, even though she messes up constantly. Plus I deliberately edited the image poorly. I can see how it could appear to be genuine, but I don't actually think I'm smart, or that sheer intelligence matters all that much. I just like anime, and I tend to overthink things. I admitted that I blew things out of proportion. But now I can see how pretentious my previous comment was. I don't know what else I could possibly say. But if you don't want to talk about the episode itself, you should just PM me. I get that it's more satisfying to "own" me in front of other posters, but... Let's leave the thread for actually on-topic posts. (And this is the last time I'm letting myself be baited with a strawman.) Nyron said: This show could have the women walking around like dogs and still be less of a misogynistic otaku fantasy than beatless Can't argue with that. Beatless is generally not very creative, which is why I didn't bother complaining about it too much. |
LeeTailorJan 17, 2018 1:27 PM
| I can't believe so many people care about a 2D drawing grabbing another 2D drawing's ass. |
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| The main girl isn't bad (at least she has emotion unlike a lot of other main characters in the same sort of shows), but she isn't cute either. I love that Ichigo girl, she's totally my kind of character. She's also the kind of character that's gonna get hurt in the end. |
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K4ppin said: Episode was a bit whatever until the monster showed up. When the mech changed into the "franxx" true form it reminded me of the mechs in Star Driver. Almost seems like Franxx and Cybodies are related, especially how the franxx evolved after they kissed; linking the two through "libido" star driver and this new anime have the same mecha character designer |
LeeTailor said: It's meant to be ironic. In Katanagatari, some of the comic relief comes from Togame flexing her intellect, even though she messes up constantly. Plus I deliberately edited the image poorly. I can see how it could appear to be genuine, but I don't actually think I'm smart, or that sheer intelligence matters all that much. I just like anime, and I tend to overthink things. I admitted that I blew things out of proportion. But now I can see how pretentious my previous comment was. I don't know what else I could possibly say. But if you don't want to talk about the episode itself, you should just PM me. I get that it's more satisfying to "own" me in front of other posters, but... Let's leave the thread for actually on-topic posts. (And this is the last time I'm letting myself be baited with a strawman.) Nyron said: This show could have the women walking around like dogs and still be less of a misogynistic otaku fantasy than beatless Can't argue with that. Beatless is generally not very creative, which is why I didn't bother complaining about it too much. I havent watched the first episode of Beatless yet, but if it comes across as generic then its more than likely that the cancer known as Diomedia is to blame for it, since their reputation nowadays is solely based upon how all of their shows have a shit budget and unsurprisingly turn out to be garbage adaptations. Just look at their list: NouCome, Campione, World Break, Fuuka, Mayoiga, Kuusen Madoushi, Juuou Fafnir, Akuma no Riddle....99% of their works are garbage and ruin the source material. Beatless seems to be no exception, because originally the novel was a hit, became incredibly popular and I believe it won some kind of award as well. |
| A-1 Pictures back at it again with that sexual assault lmao. kinda reminds me of sao, but i guess ill continue watching for now. |
moodie said: holy shit that was the best episode 1 ive seen in this season. that gainax vibe is real! great characters amazing as fuck sound design. oh man ima be hyped saturdays It's not just a vibe, it's a homage. There are blindingly obvious throwbacks and inclusions from Evangelion, Top Wo Merae (Aim for the Top: Gunbuster 2!), Kill la Kill, and so on. Basically all of Gainax's hits since the early 1990s. BluePikmin11 said: DARLING in the FRANXX was pretty good. The protagonist and overall tone is pretty dull, but Lala 2.0 and the concept of girls & boys working together to power a mech has the potential to be very fun. This anime is mixing the best elements of Gurren Lagann & Kill la Kill and putting those ideas into a unique experience. The only things I ask for is better character development and good ecchi in the next episodes. Not Lala 2.0, rather, this character, Nana, from Gunbuster 2:  See, the fun thing about having been a child in the early 1990s and watching all of the classics in the early 00s is that you actually get what all the references are. So you know that Zero-Two is supposed to be a darker, edgier mesh of characters from Gunbuster and Evangelion rather than a knockoff from a completely different anime and studio. robotical said: Oh boy... I can already tell I'm probably going to hate this haha Visually it's great, but the whole male-female co-piloting part ruins so much for me. And the Franxx designs are cool, but the animated faces and the fact that the mechs seem to have breasts... is throwing me off a little bit too. Looks like it has the potential to be a kind of fun series though. I'll stick out another episode or two Mechs with faces is classic Gainax/Trigger: Gunbuster 2:  enemies are gunbuster as well:  Z4k said: Jesus christ. Someone linked a panel from the manga and this is how the mech's will be driven.  Eva with amped up sexiness, double so with the mental meshing with your mech, just as in Evangelion. Also gives new meaning to "riding someone's ass." |
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| If it looks like shit, talks like shit and feels like shit, chances are it's shit. Another one dropped. |
Jonesy974 said: LeeTailor said: Can't argue with that. Beatless is generally not very creative, which is why I didn't bother complaining about it too much. I havent watched the first episode of Beatless yet, but if it comes across as generic then its more than likely that the cancer known as Diomedia is to blame for it, since their reputation nowadays is solely based upon how all of their shows have a shit budget and unsurprisingly turn out to be garbage adaptations. Just look at their list: NouCome, Campione, World Break, Fuuka, Mayoiga, Kuusen Madoushi, Juuou Fafnir, Akuma no Riddle....99% of their works are garbage and ruin the source material. Beatless seems to be no exception, because originally the novel was a hit, became incredibly popular and I believe it won some kind of award as well. My guess is that the problems with Beatless start with the novel, but the first episode of the anime was just generally bad at hooking anyone who isn't seduced by cardboard waifus or has seen any competent cyberpunk anime before. Still, it is a little odd that with a relative veteran like Seiji Mizushima (ep. 9-12 of Eva, FMA 2003, Shaman King, Concrete Revolutio) directing the series, the first episode is still so boring. It's also worth noting that the series composition for Beatless was done by Tatsuya Takahashi, who has done series composition for "gems" such as Eromanga Sensei, Netoyome, and also Koizumi-san and Toji no Miko from this year. People often overestimate the influence that studios have over the quality of their produced anime. There is definitely a pattern with shows produced by Diomedea that were directed by either Keizou Kusakawa or Takayuki Inagaki (all of the shows you mentioned except for Mayoiga). But sometimes the creative staff is different. For example, Mayoiga is a very divisive show, but it was "bad" in a different way and for different reasons than the other ones you mentioned, as it was directed by Tsutomu Mizushima, written by Mari Okada ("the queen of anime melodrama"), and it was a fully original anime, not an adaptation. Mizushima also directed Shirobako, Prison School, Girls und Panzer, and Another; the latter of which is very similar to Mayoiga, so the rumor is that he had a clear vision, but he failed to make the series palatable for viewers as a horror comedy. Girlish Number also happened to be produced at Diomedea but it's a surprisingly solid workplace comedy-drama that shows the more cynical side of the anime industry from the perspective of a group of voice actresses. It was probably better than most Diomedea shows because it wasn't directed by either Kusakawa or Inagaki, but this is just speculation. Either way, with the right staff, they can put out solid work, too. |
Wasshio said: This is just off-topic but... what the fuck is this sort of SJW crap in this thread? Like seriously ._. I mean I don't really see it as anything wrong but apparently people are saying that the series is pushing an "heterosexual normative" uh, what the fuck is that? as for the fanservice thing... sexual assault? or misogynistic? Now we're going all out with this and it is ridiculous. I wouldn't let it bug you too much, they're just trying to incorporate more mainstream terms these days but those people who are anti-fanservice have always been there throughout the years. So far, the reception of the anime has been good. |
Wasshio said: LoomyTheBrew said: I wouldn't let it bug you too much, they're just trying to incorporate more mainstream terms these days but those people who are anti-fanservice have always been there throughout the years. So far, the reception of the anime has been good. I wouldn't let it necessarily piss me off, but it's just weird as fuck throwing these terms for no actual reason other than some aspects the show has introduced (negative x positive aspect, the entire gender part, etc). And I just looked through this a bit and I just scratched my head and was confused. I know the reception for this show is good for the most part... but still what the fuck xD I actually read a little bit more after making my initial comment and it was definitely worse than when I first skimmed haha. And I agree, people that are throwing around those terms are completely overreacting, like... this is an anime for christ's sake, calm down! In terms of the ecchi and groping this was pretty par of the course for most animes, I don't get what's so out of line here all of a sudden lmao. I'd actually say it was pretty mild and didn't think it was jarring or anything, Trigger has done this type of fanservice before, it's not a problem at all. |
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