Duterte will let his son be killed if the drug accusations against him are true

ThRippJck said:

Lol, you must have it quite nice, explains alot

Thrashinuva said:
This sounds like it's probably sarcastic. It makes sense to instinctively be against killing your own kind, but as humans are a thinking animal, it is rather short sighted to stop there.

I find it blatantly irrational to pretend that wars don't exist, or that terrorists don't need to be stopped. Killing is a means of self preservation. It always has been, and it always will be, since the very beginning of life, until there is no more life.

As the first bacteria appeared and began to gnaw away at other living organisms and minerals, so to do we now destroy in order to sustain ourselves and grow. Unless you find a way to sustain us purely on photosynthesis, this pattern isn't going to stop any time soon.

As similar life forms began to compete for food, so began the cycle of murder, not to eat the opposing life form, but to ensure survival through the lack of competition. Now there are humans in the world who would kill other humans for a variety of reasons, and often enough if we hope to survive against those people we have to kill them first.


In this particular instance, the problem was with drug dealers recklessly cultivating drug addicts, who all left the legal work force, and created an extremely unsafe environment for the rest of the countries citizens. If you throw them in prison you have to keep them there forever. If you keep them there forever then everyone is paying taxes they can't afford, and the country will go bankrupt borrowing money from other countries just in order to survive.


So what other recourse did they have to create a tolerable living environment?


I think everyone wants to live in our fantasy land of peace prosperity. Everyone wants a leader that promotes commonplace decency. Everyone wants it, but some countries are so far from it that it's a joke. Common citizens suffer day in and day out to problems they can't control. The people voted, and they voted for what they felt was the best option to move the country. They voted for a violent man. In all likelihood, a violent man is exactly what they need to survive.

swirlydragon said:


Yeah that's what American government always says before they start funding, arming and training a bunch of anarchists in that country in order to overthrow the legitimate and democratically elected leader of that country and transform that peaceful country into a graveyard just because it didn't bow down to Western imperialism or didn't offer to sell it's natural resources (in cheap) to Western countries




Yeah and I am pretty sure that CNN, NYtimes, Fox, etc pointed out this news

isekai said:
but like i mentioned Duterte has better options

Thrashinuva said:
Mere platitudes. What are these better options you speak of? Why are they better? Where lies the end game with them? How reliable are they? If you find something that's "better", can you give me a statistical analysis for it rather than the simple emotional "because it makes me happier"?

Have you ever, for once in your life, had to weigh the possible actions you and a group could take, and make a decision in order for the group to be successful at a very basic goal?

AA5x4 said:


I hate to say this but if someone pulls a coup, then our country will be doomed as fuck, corruption will RISE AGAIN. I'll rather have a president who shows his true character and does not afraid to show his bad side than a president who only shows his/her good side most of the time but in reality he/she is stealing money from the public slowly but surely.

AA5x4 said:

Oh, I forgot to mention this to you. Even if an addict or seller goes to prison, he/she can still taste or sell drugs because drugs are even rampant in some prisons due to drug personalities paying large amounts of money to some jailguards and even policemen........and harsher prison sentences mean nothing to some. They are stupid people who NEVER LEARN

AA5x4 said:

I don't know about the illegal drugs that are notorious in your country. In our country, Methamphetamine HCl (local name: Shabu) is the most notorious. There are idiots who sell shabu and die because they fight cops and there are some who go to prison and there are some who are very genius and continue to evade the cops. Bottomline is that, they deserve death because they promote death/destruction by selling shabu.

Takamura-sama said:
You all don't get it.

Drugs are a big deal in their countries.
They are poor, and the government wants to help people. to help people you need money. To get money you need the people to pay.

Dealing drugs is VERY VERY common in those countries.

swirlydragon said:

Well to name a few, they are FSA, Southern Front, Jaysh al-Sham, etc in Syria.
And there are countless more.
Also, don't forget about the neo-nazis that were supported in Ukraine by US.
Those Neo-Nazis even trapped and burned down a building full of innocent people who were merely protesting against Ukrainian government.

swirlydragon said:
You do realize that ISIS are not the only terrorist groups, right?

swirlydragon said:
Here let me explain some things to you.
It's true that US doesn't directly support ISIS since ISIS is also a threat to Western countries.
ISIS wants a global caliphate so they will attack anyone who are against them.

swirlydragon said:
But here's the catch.
Just because someone is your enemy doesn't mean you can't take advantage of him.
US knows that ISIS is not really a threat to them since US can defeat ISIS whenever they want.
US has the best airforce in the world, possesses over 7,000 nukes, has the highest military budget all around the globe, possesses highest number of active military personnels, possesses advanced weapons, etc.
Therefore, they couldn't care less about ISIS as long as ISIS only attacks their enemy.
I mean let's not forget that a US republican suggested (in front of Western media) that US should support ISIS in the fight against Assad.
Now the real question is, why would a US republican say that?
Is it that US government has supported ISIS (not openly) before and now wants to support it openly?

swirlydragon said:
Now tell me, do you really expect me to believe that US, UK and France actually kept bombing Syrian forces fighting ISIS by mistake?
Of course not!
Obama wanted ISIS to capture as much Syrian land as they can so that US can increase pressure over Assad/Syria and bring Assad to the negotiating table.
They just wanted the Syrian oil.

swirlydragon said:
Now another question one needs to ask himself is, how did ISIS acquire Syrian land?
I am sure that you know US, UK, France, etc funded, armed and trained Syrian rebels by calling them freedom fighters who took over many territories from Syrian government.
Now do you know what's funny about this?
The territories those Syrian rebels took over from the Syrian government became ISIS territory after some time.
Is that a coincidence?
Of course not!

swirlydragon said:
When have I been a bigot?
I don't remember saying anything bad about anyone's ethnicity, religion, race, color, etc.
Just because I expose America's hypocrisy doesn't mean I am a bigot

He is not tyrannical.
Just because he doesn't bow down to Western imperialism doesn't mean he is tyrannical.

swirlydragon said:
Yeah and I am pretty sure those sites are paid by Western countries

swirlydragon said:
As for the article, I guess you are not entirely wrong, but Philippines needs a strict leader like Duterte at such a critical time when the country is attacked by ISIS and is currently suffering from drug war.

traed said:

I don't mean just any coup by anyone. It has to be someone that would be good at leading and able to build support and not totally corrupt.


Prison isn't a rehabilitation facility. It has little to do with stupidity. People usually start selling and using drugs because they are poor. I looked it up most users there are poor. Meth gives energy so some probably do it to help them work longer.


You're promoting death and destruction.



That doesn't make it right and they are spending money on bullets when they could be making money on soft drugs instead.


You said anarchists though which those are not. An anarchist is a supporter of an anarchistic ideology. It doesn't mean an opposer of a type of gov or leader but all govs.


Yes, but they had the most impact there which is why I named it. It's just an example.


Yeah ISIS was created in part from US involvement in mid east and negligence of documents from the CIA warning something like that might happen but it wasn't an intended outcome.
I'm not so sure they actively want it global or not. They don't seem to attack countries that aren't involved with Syria usually and they haven't tried to set of territory claim in any other countries as far as I know.



You said a double negative. Did you mean "just because someone is your enemy means you can take advantage of him"? because that's what you just said
That's the opinion of one guy not an official policy.
The US supported what became known as Al Queda in Operation Cyclone which later branched off into what is now ISIS. It would be a stretch to say the US supports ISIS. I mean come on make up your mind do you want US to not intervene or do you want the US to intervene? Because you can't have it both ways.


Those are the same facts just worded a different way. RT just words stuff in a way to make the US look bas as it can. Mistake is just a reporting on what it was reported as from those who did it. Probably should be in quotes though on mistake.


You worded that awkwardly. You could have said "another question oneself needs to ask"
That's what happens when a government gets destabilised. It would be foolish to assume they were all ISIS but some of them sure maybe. That wasn't happening for no reason. People didn't like being in the perpetual state of emergency Assad declared that gave him too much power.


All the time
You forgot nationality. You're a xenophobe.
No you don't expose hypocrisy you bitterly oppose what anyone of a western nationality says about anything before they even say anything at all.


Tyrant
"A person exercising power or control in a cruel, unreasonable, or arbitrary way."

He's a tyrant


I checked and apparently Philstar is in Florida. Inquirer.net is in the Philippines and is a mainstream news source there, the most popular actually iirc. Don't confuse it with Inquirer.com which is run in Philadelphia.
https://www.whois.com/whois/inquirer.net


There are other ways of dealing with drug problems like fixing poverty, providing free rehabilitation, and legalizing safer drugs. Also the meth is beiing made from stuff that comes from China so it could be blocked off to prevent it's production.

Takamura-sama said:

You are so biased.

You can't fix something with drastic measures.

isekai said:


i already posted those better options and they are not base on emotions at all, like what Portugal did or that Duterte should go after the major source of where drugs comes from and that is securing our ports here and make the Bureau of Customs less corrupt and strict about importing goods in China for example since Drugs are being imported here from other countries

Thrashinuva said:
"Make them less corrupt". Through sheer willpower? Lock down the ports, with corrupted officials? Halt drug imports, what about the locally made drugs? The Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency is quoted saying that 60% of the drugs within the Philippines are made locally.

None of these things are helpful in order to reduce drug related crimes, which amounted to 80% of the total crime before Duterte was elected. In the meantime while you're trying to pass legislation that will even give you the means to do any of this in the first place, your citizens are suffering while you're essentially doing nothing. Then once you have it in place, due to how lazily made the plans were... "make them less corrupt"... nothing notable is going to be accomplished, and then at the end of Duterte's presidency he'll have accomplished nothing, and the next president could be equally as incapable or potentially corrupt and far far worse.


Believe me, if you HAVE a well thought out plan that a clear end-game that has an extremely high chance of succeeding at nearly eliminating drug crimes entirely, I would certainly love to hear it. But I suspect you don't. I'm fairly good at thinking these kinds of things through, and I certainly haven't thought of anything.

isekai said:
the senate here is currently investigating imported drugs that are worth billions of dollars and they say its the primary source of drugs here because locally made drugs are not that much compared to tons and tons of drugs coming from China for example

isekai said:
at most there is only 5 million drug users out of 100 million people here in the philippines while unemployment statistics show around 11 million people so again joblessness is more of a problem here than drugs

isekai said:
Duterte said meth (or shabu) shrinks the brain which is wrong according to experts, Duterte said that to make excuses to kill drug users and do not waste time on rehabilitation for them

isekai said:
Portugal is one example of how to fight the drug war properly and that is to not label drug use as a crime but rather label it as a public health concern and give some sort of basic income to poor people which are primarily the drug users, so give welfare to this 5 million drug users im sure our government can at least provide that for this few people out of 100 million population we have

Takamura-sama said:
I think he's suited very well for politics. I don't know him, but this is good.

A men should be strong and strict.
This is a good example

Thrashinuva said:
Are you sure they aren't focusing on supplies used to make the drugs? From what it seems, many of the materials used are imported, and then used to make them locally.

Thrashinuva said:

That's 5% of the population addicted to drugs dude. More that are dealers. Who knows how many unreported. Unemployment statistics are usually underrepresented due to the lack of the unemployed actually registered for unemployment status.

Thrashinuva said:

It probably doesn't, but the concern isn't on the users here you know, but on everyone else that they affect.

Thrashinuva said:

So your answer is to give money to drug addicts? Instead of reducing drugs you should promote them, so that poor people can sell them? To be honest this is absolutely disgusting to me.

Josh said:
"Elected leaders can do literally anything and no one can criticize the legitimacy of their actions" is a very weird/naïve/disturbing conception of democracy.

isekai said:
while the senate says things like this Shabu came from China, must end with China: Gordon leans on Beijing for help in P6-B shabu smuggling case http://www.interaksyon.com/shabu-came-from-china-must-end-with-china-gordon-leans-on-beijing-for-help-in-p6-b-shabu-smuggling-case/

isekai said:
the 5 million is overestimated by Dutertes administration though, Duterte even fired the chief of the Dangerous Drug Board here for showing statistics that we only have 1.8 million drug users at most http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/news/nation/612021/duterte-sacks-ddb-chief-for-contradicting-gov-t-drug-users-count/story/

isekai said:
sure, surveys and statistics said that crime rate did go down but murder increase due to the rampant killing of the police

innocent civilians are getting killed by the police though like this one that become hot news for sometime here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Kian_delos_Santos

Duterte even said that they are just collateral damage and he implies its no big deal

isekai said:
rehabilitate them while financially helping them during the rehabilitation until the government can give them work and have a new life

PrimeX said:
Didn't you read what I said? He promised to do this. And now he's delivering.

traed said:

You're using the appeal to popularity fallacy. Also just because people voted for him doesn't necisarily mean they actually supported everything he claimed it's just something he claimed appealed to them enough to ignore the rest that they may have been against.

traed said:
I just found this Filipino blog

" See, the problem is, we really like to lie to ourselves. We especially like to do it to make ourselves seem superior. When people attack or offend us, we like to take words our of context and make assumptions like “they must be attacking me because I’m beautiful” or perhaps “they’re just bitter at me” instead of really considering what is being said. More often than not, we let our emotions do our reasoning for us, especially our pride, and refuse to consider how out-of-context our own assumptions may be."

" When other people, especially foreigners, call us out on our wrongdoings, we are quick to vehemently defend ourselves and insist that they are wrong or are being cruel. We never even stop to consider the possibility that they might even be right and that it is we who needs to apologize to them and not the other way around."
http://www.getrealphilippines.com/blog/2015/09/3-big-reasons-why-filipinos-will-always-be-stupid/

isekai said:
i still disagree to all that, especially you either underestimate or overestimate statistics that local news here provides, mind you the SWS survey is consistent in all election prediction so far so them saying the unemployment here is close to 11 million is more believable than Durtere saying there is 5 million drug users when in fact not so recent statistics show that drug users are only 1.8 million in total

isekai said:
you said this is just a moral problem

isekai said:
no its more of a economic problem

isekai said:
if Duterte is really a populist and loves his country he should sign the bank waivers that is the hot issue with him right now since a lot of people suspect he have hidden wealth that comes from corruption too and he is using the bank secrecy law here to hide his wealth from the public, we are one of the 2 countries in the world that have this stupid bank secrecy law that is exploited by criminals and corrupt politicians, why Duterte does not want to repeal the bank secrecy law?

isekai said:
and once Duterte is out of presidency then expect the drugs to be a problem again

traed said:

You're using the appeal to popularity fallacy. Also just because people voted for him doesn't necisarily mean they actually supported everything he claimed it's just something he claimed appealed to them enough to ignore the rest that they may have been against.

PrimeX said:
Well let me make something clear, I never said people shouldn't criticize him, I already said in my first statement, "Say whatever the fuck you want about Duterte", even he himself said that the media should criticize him whevener he's not doing his job right. I just think that the people who voted for him and put him into the position of el presidente should face the criticism about the deaths of people because of the war on drugs. Because people supported the war on drugs. His campaign is focused on the bloody war on drugs, that's his main thing and people voted for him and he won, I can only put much emphasis on this.

Ikaros_42oh said:
"eradicate drugs"
its like trying to eradicate oxygen, you might make some progress but its totally pointless and only adds to the suffering.... ugh

now about this duertetetetet dude, hilariously sad situation he's put himself in but at the least hes a man of his word; which i respect but his core is built on a shaky premise of drugs and not the cultural/economical environment being the problem (legalizing drugs would help the economy, dont forget).


essentially fixing an eternal wound by pouring salt on it, with a pinch of familial murder

traed said:
@Zaber_san
That's no excuse for being a tyrant. The end does not justify the means. The effects will only be temporary at best.

Rayzer said:
Oh MAL users, don't take anything seriously from his (Duterte) fucking mouth.
He got a bad habit/reputation, always talking shit on TV and interviews/press con.
But the next day his officials will clean up the mess he did to take it all back.

NYJustin said:
I mean it would look bad if he let his son get away with it, but at the same time it's a bit cold