| Topkek. This is the best thread I've seen in a while |
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Aslt said: I love how people got inspired by one boring neckbeard to create threads like that one by one xD Not to forget his acomplice who lives in his mothers basement. Kinda odd really, how come that only they can do that? How come that we don't see many ppl being inspired by a Bald Greek? |
Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: rapo1 said: People who say pirating isn't stealing have never actually went through the trouble of creating something for themselves. Or else they would be terrified of the thought of having someone else making money by use of their work. They're just trying to justify their actions. They'll throw the literal definition of "stealing" at you and be like: "See? I'm not actually a thief. I'm better than those guys. What I'm doing (which technically isn't stealing!!!!) may not even be morally wrong. I'm the real victim here!" Does it pain you that much to admit you're a goddamn leech? You're gaining access to other people's (extremely hard) work and using it for your own benefit. Are you better than the guys who run KissAnime? Probably, yeah. But you're still a proper bastard... and so am I. Legal sites suck ass. It's not our faults. |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: Kittens-kun said: Legal sites suck ass. It's not our faults. I know, man. You're just a victim of the system. Hell, you're probably the only real victim here. Seriously though, you don't seem to get it. It doesn't matter if Crunchyroll sucks complete ass or not, which it actually does. We're talking about a site that still uses a Flash Player, so that should tell us all we need to know right there. You're still not entitled to your daily anime fix. People worked on creating that crap you're consuming every day, free of charge. You're not technically stealing their work, because the literal sense of the word "stealing" doesn't actually apply. But you're still putting their work to use in a way that goes explicitly against their wishes. You're not a "I host a pirate site with 3 billion ads" level of scum. You're more of a "I don't wanna pay for Office so I'll just use a keygen." level. It still doesn't justify jack shit. They don't offer me a better alternative than what I'm using now. If they did, and I still didn't pay for it, then I'd be a leech. |
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| Theft is theft, trying to make excuses for it is kinda pathetic. Admit it whilst still not giving a shit like a true pirate. |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: Kittens-kun said: They don't offer me a better alternative than what I'm using now. If they did, and I still didn't pay for it, then I'd be a leech. Nope, you're still a leech because you're not entitled to any of it. You can call me whatever you want, I know it's not true. |
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Hey_Taka-tin_Hey said: They're just trying to justify their actions. They'll throw the literal definition of "stealing" at you and be like: "See? I'm not actually a thief. I'm better than those guys. What I'm doing (which technically isn't stealing!!!!) may not even be morally wrong. I'm the real victim here!" Does it pain you that much to admit you're a goddamn leech? You're gaining access to other people's (extremely hard) work and using it for your own benefit. Are you better than the guys who run KissAnime? Probably, yeah. But you're still a proper bastard... and so am I. Yeah. Honestly, I don't even mind piracy that much. Of course I get raged when it is done to minor artists like indie devs or when the person is trying to make money using the effort of someone else, but I would be a liar if I said I never did it. But the justifying just make me sick. Admit you're doing a petty thing instead of working it around for you to look like a good person. That just sounds pathetic and a asshole thing to do. |
Kruszer said: Theft is theft, trying to make excuses for it is kinda pathetic. Admit it whilst still not giving a shit like a true pirate. i love how mostly people offended in this thread is mere illegal streamer... |
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Your Honor, it wasn't my fault! (They) didn't offer a better alternative to obtaining something I wanted, and by god I was going to get it. I wouldn't pay for it anyway, and technically I'm not stealing anything. I'm the real victim here because all these online bullies keep calling me a criminal. That about right? |
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Kuma said: Kruszer said: Theft is theft, trying to make excuses for it is kinda pathetic. Admit it whilst still not giving a shit like a true pirate. i love how mostly people offended in this thread is mere illegal streamer... I'm a somewhat rehabilitated pirate actually. Though instead of offended, I'm just ammused. I pirated stuff via torrent since 2005 until legal streaming became a thing around 2011 and after that it wasn't really necessary anymore. Now I only occasionally pirate unlicensed anime OVAs and movies, plus the rare series that slips through the cracks and isn't licensed. Unlike most pirates though, I've also been collecting anime on DVD and BD since around 1998 and own around 700+ titles, including many of the things I previously pirated. |
KruszerAug 27, 2017 7:01 PM
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Older_than_dirt said: Your Honor, it wasn't my fault! (They) didn't offer a better alternative to obtaining something I wanted, and by god I was going to get it. I wouldn't pay for it anyway, and technically I'm not stealing anything. I'm the real victim here because all these online bullies keep calling me a criminal. That about right? I would pay for it if the the service was actually worth it, or if it actually supported the industry. But it does neither. Come back when you can give me a legitimate reason to care. |
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| Well sure, you can argue that YOU'RE not stealing. But you're still supporting thieves by using those sites. There are literally millions of dollars which could be going into the industry that is instead going to sites that didn't make the shows, didn't subtitle them, don't have any sort of agreement with the people who made the show and aren't obligated to give ANY money back to ANYONE. Crunchyroll subtitles the episode, Horriblesubs uploads that to torrent sites, the streaming site uploads that video to their site in a really badly compressed form. All they do is upload videos stolen from a torrent site stolen from Crunchyroll and they're making a god damn fortune. Don't support that shit. |
SeibaaHomuAug 27, 2017 8:48 PM
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| I don't really get the point of these threads. AFAIK, no country outside of Japan actually enforces IP laws for anime (in the US, land of Hollywood/RIAA/MPAA, anime piracy is rampant). The law is probably not coming for you and there is little appetite for changing IP laws in most jurisdictions (so advocacy is a waste of time). There's no need to justify use of unlicensed streaming sites or torrenting. Just ignore the critics and pirate. The reason content creators complain is to guilt trip people into paying. They can't to much else to dissuade pirates. If they could do something more to restrict piracy, I imagine that they would. tl;dr: you don't actually need to justify your pirating. Edit: Added a sentence. |
| "The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all." Ecclesiastes 9:11 (NIV) |
Bourmegar said: Rotton-Girl said: @Bourmegar So, the retro catalogue started growing a bit after they hooked up with Funimation, but just a LOT when they announced they have 1 million subscribers. So most of it is Funimation titles but there are others. But I will go through them in order: My cut off date was 2004 Considering they used to barely have any titles from before 2006 which was the year they started streaming legally, this is actually a major improvement from 2 years ago when most of these titles were not on there. Card Capture Sakura was one of the first retro titles along with Fushigi Yugi and GTO. I think those were put on the platform in 2014. ok so I cannot see them then coz of funimation sigh So Anime watchers outside the US can only use like 1,5 legal Streaming services, Crunchyroll isn't allowed to stream shows that aren't licensed for europe to europe (not all the shows on CR are licensed by CR), Anime Strike is as far as I know not available in EU (correct me if I am wrong). Only Netflix's Anime can be shown to all countries that do Have Netflix. I wish that Regionlocking would just go away......... Yeah. Some are from Discotek which is another USA company. But honestly, you know why you guys aren't getting anime on streaming services? Because whereever you are, it is not seen as profitable, and probably because people where you are aren't watching things which are on Crunchyroll, on Crunchyroll making thier presence known. But just in general, what I have heard is that USA companies are just more likely to do this than others because of the cheapness of our media and the amount of people here. Region differences between France and Norway probably stop you guys getting more anime than anything else. If you were ALWAYS one license, it might be different. But to my knowledge, Germany and Sweden have very different ideas on copyright and that will always affect all of Europe. |
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Kittens-kun said: Older_than_dirt said: Your Honor, it wasn't my fault! (They) didn't offer a better alternative to obtaining something I wanted, and by god I was going to get it. I wouldn't pay for it anyway, and technically I'm not stealing anything. I'm the real victim here because all these online bullies keep calling me a criminal. That about right? I would pay for it if the the service was actually worth it, or if it actually supported the industry. But it does neither. That's like saying "(insert store name) won't sell me the (insert product) I want, with all the features I want, at the price I want, so I'm entitled and perfectly legitimized for buying a (insert product) I know to be stolen. You want your anime now, you want it in HD quality, and you want it for free/nearly free. You want, you want, you want... Damn those scientists... they lied to us... apparently the world revolves around YOU, and what you want. As for Crunchyroll not "supporting the industry"... they do. They are one of the companies that pay money to the Japanese for the right to distribute each anime they license. The "service" Crunchyroll provides is obviously worth something, or they wouldn't have any subscribers. Just because it doesn't meet YOUR standards, blah blah blah, whine whine whine, excuses excuses. Oh boo-friggen-hoo... you're a damn thief/leech just like most of us here. Get over it or go legit. |
| You're never too old to watch anime. If I ever stop watching anime, check my pulse I'm likely dead. I wake up with coffee & anime, I go to sleep with coffee & anime. Sorry if my sarcasm is bad, it's not my first language. |
| It's not stealing? Damn. I'm gonna have to kick my piracy levels up a notch. |
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thewiru said: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. Did you take their loss of profit by not watching it legally. Yes. There you go. I'll go back to 9anime now and also partake in this ;) |
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thewiru said: I recently watched the Mother's Basement video were he spouts the word "stealing" every five seconds. Anime piracy is NOT stealing: "steal VERB Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it. 1.1 Dishonestly pass off (another person's ideas) as one's own.’" First things first: The concept of private property is based on a simple thing, that if i have an apple, you can't have the same apple at the same time. With anime, however, such thing doesn't happen. By a pirate website having anime in their catalog, other catalogs from other websites can still have the same anime at the same time. Since no one lost anything, it can't be stealing, as for the second definition: Well, pirate sites never actually say the work is theirs, and the names of the people who created it are all over it's OP's and ED's. You can support it or disagree with it, it's your opinion, but please, PLEASE, don't use this word. not sure if you are stupid or just pretending to be anime are intellectual property, they have copyrigth protection and licenses, so everytime you watch one without buying a physical copy or subscring to a streaming service you are commiting an intellectual property THEFT, you know "The action or crime of stealing." by Oxford dictionary the fact that you even tryed to justify your stealing by using dictionary, not to mention failing, should be enough to see how wrong you are |
| Piracy is the infringement of a person's/group's legal right to control distribution of their work. Anime pirate sites take this work from the original source and then distribute on their website, and are not only illegally redistributing work that is not theirs without permission from the owner, but they're also taking away the profits from the original owners of said work, which is also stealing. It doesn't matter whether they take credit for the work or not. Think about that like fans remaking an MMO that shut down. They are not the original owners, and therefore legally can't make money off the game in any way. Even through donations. If you stream or download work from said pirating website, then you are knowingly taking and using stolen work, which is no different than taking the work directly from the original owners yourself. It would simply make the the pirating site the middleman. Here's an example using the definition of "steal" that you provided. Person A (original owner) is robbed of their phone (anime) by Person B (pirating site). Person B then sells/gifts the stolen phone to Person C (person illegally streaming/pirating). Even though person C didn't directly take the phone from Person A, they still took the phone without permission from Person A, and therefore stole it as well. @Aidoru-Ojisan Man your right, I didn't even notice they were both Canadian (mainly because I don't watch them bahaha). Glass Reflection is Canadian and he also made a video about it. They sure love Crunching on Crunchy Roll's Crunchy D, Amirite? |
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Rotton-Girl said: Bourmegar said: ok so I cannot see them then coz of funimation sigh So Anime watchers outside the US can only use like 1,5 legal Streaming services, Crunchyroll isn't allowed to stream shows that aren't licensed for europe to europe (not all the shows on CR are licensed by CR), Anime Strike is as far as I know not available in EU (correct me if I am wrong). Only Netflix's Anime can be shown to all countries that do Have Netflix. I wish that Regionlocking would just go away......... Yeah. Some are from Discotek which is another USA company. But honestly, you know why you guys aren't getting anime on streaming services? Because whereever you are, it is not seen as profitable, and probably because people where you are aren't watching things which are on Crunchyroll, on Crunchyroll making thier presence known. But just in general, what I have heard is that USA companies are just more likely to do this than others because of the cheapness of our media and the amount of people here. Region differences between France and Norway probably stop you guys getting more anime than anything else. If you were ALWAYS one license, it might be different. But to my knowledge, Germany and Sweden have very different ideas on copyright and that will always affect all of Europe. Europe already wasn't really exposed much to anime at all (the only shows we get are kids shows) and we never had something like Toonami or Adult swim. Plus Crunchyroll is only known in the anime community and not outside unlike Netflix and Amazon prime Anime strike. And yh region differences makes it hard to license for all of europe (I live in the netherlands, a country that never aired the big 3 and only aired childrens Anime). But the biggest Shows from when I was a kid was either Anime like Pokemon, DBZ or Doreamon, Anime-ish like Avatar or good Disney/old Nickelodeon shows. So to say that EU isn't profitable is just weird especially in 2017 where Netflix is also big in eu. I mean all they have to do is just make it regionfree, they don't have to localize it for europe or anything (just make it able for us to import stuff just like we can with games). |
| I don't care either way. If the legal supporters think it's stealing then it's their problem not mine since I don't care. |
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lihle808 said: Stealing is stealing, there is no justification for piracy. Those anime producers work hard to produce one episode(check out Shirobako) and you just go to these illegal websites and take them without sweat, then have the balls to criticize your ass off an anime. that well may be true, but we all still use pirated site...whether to download or to stream online...its not like everyone can afford it.. |
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Bourmegar said: Rotton-Girl said: Yeah. Some are from Discotek which is another USA company. But honestly, you know why you guys aren't getting anime on streaming services? Because whereever you are, it is not seen as profitable, and probably because people where you are aren't watching things which are on Crunchyroll, on Crunchyroll making thier presence known. But just in general, what I have heard is that USA companies are just more likely to do this than others because of the cheapness of our media and the amount of people here. Region differences between France and Norway probably stop you guys getting more anime than anything else. If you were ALWAYS one license, it might be different. But to my knowledge, Germany and Sweden have very different ideas on copyright and that will always affect all of Europe. Europe already wasn't really exposed much to anime at all (the only shows we get are kids shows) and we never had something like Toonami or Adult swim. Plus Crunchyroll is only known in the anime community and not outside unlike Netflix and Amazon prime Anime strike. And yh region differences makes it hard to license for all of europe (I live in the netherlands, a country that never aired the big 3 and only aired childrens Anime). But the biggest Shows from when I was a kid was either Anime like Pokemon, DBZ or Doreamon, Anime-ish like Avatar or good Disney/old Nickelodeon shows. So to say that EU isn't profitable is just weird especially in 2017 where Netflix is also big in eu. I mean all they have to do is just make it regionfree, they don't have to localize it for europe or anything (just make it able for us to import stuff just like we can with games). Have you thought of making an anime club? To expose people to different sorts of anime? This is what started a lot of the underground culture here and made fanbases get larger. Don't get it twisted. there are some places I think some piracy can help. such as in Europe where licenses are annoying. Maybe you could talk to companies about what anime your club likes most and when they do get it you guys could buy it... which seems kinda pie in the sky but it is what old school clubs would do. |
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| You are stealing, you are stealing money out of the pockets of every creator who worked on the anime you're watching. And the fact that you are trying to justify something like that leads me to believe you're quite the bastard. Also who cares what some youtube user you liked said in his anime video, he's just a guy, he isn't speaking for the entire anime community. |
| Whether or not it's stealing, sites like KissAnime and HorribleSubs have decades of anime to choose from, from the popular to the insanely obscure. I can't think of a single legal streaming service that can compete with that kind of catalog. That's why piracy is still an issue - legal providers can't compete. If you really want to support the anime industry, buy the Japanese BD of every anime you watch. |
| "...and without intending to return it." unless you have a time machine I don't see how you could return the anime you watched |
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| Whatever! at the end of the day, I'll still buy anime if it gets my attention. On a side note, in my day, I played demo games and if something got my attention, then I buy it (sounds like a slogan, but that's kind of what it is). |
kawaii96desu said: Property is not limited to only physical. And kissanime broke the pirate code long ago. That's why I have to agree with some of the points he made. On the other hand there is a lot of hypocrisy in his video and considering my negative opinion on anime youtubers in general... Idk... fuck both. What code did KA break? ................. |
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Kuraokani said: Let's say that you own a bakery. Your bakery is open Monday-Friday and you're closed Saturday and Sunday. Now let's say that one Saturday, I decide that since you're closed anyways, I'll open your shop and sell goods myself. I'll use your tools, kitchen, and building... but, at the end of the day, I'll keep all the money. I didn't steal anything so I'm not in the wrong. All I did was use something that you created with hard work, to make money for myself without permission. I know that's not a fantastic comparison but, its close enough. 😂😂😂😂 Nice. .................................... |
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| Here's a good video, for those of you willing to have a discussion with an open mind |
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Sonal1988 said: What code did KA break? "thou shalt not make insane profit from thy pirated content" OP in a nutshell: "why should i pay when i'm legally entitled to watch anime made by professionals in the industry receiving below minimum wage? it's not my fault they are not offering top tier service for $1 a month, and to be honest i'd probably not pay even that much anyways. this is perfectly fine and morally acceptable." ugh >__> |
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DreamingBeats said: Sonal1988 said: What code did KA break? "thou shalt not make insane profit from thy pirated content" ugh >__> I understand OP's argument, but I didn't get yours. Pirated websites are created to make profit, right? So how did KA break any code? |
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Do you mind explaining it? English is my second language, after all. |
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Any (unwritten) set of rules, customs, or principles among a particular group of people (often those otherwise considered to be unprincipled). https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/honour_code basically code in this sense means unwritten rules, things you are supposed to follow. in this case, it's a pirate code of honour, which is a bit ironic, but still. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
DreamingBeats said: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/honour_code basically code in this sense means unwritten rules, things you are supposed to follow. in this case, it's a pirate code of honour, which is a bit ironic, but still. Oh, I meant it being a metaphor in reference to KA. Thanks for explaining! |
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Sonal1988 said: I understand OP's argument, but I didn't get yours. Pirated websites are created to make profit, right? So how did KA break any code? profit from pirated content, not from their actual hard work. they are profitting at the expense of the people in the industry receiving slave wages. this breaks an honor code to not profit from stolen material. |
| You can buy lossless digital music from your favorite Japanese artists on https://ototoy.jp/. The songs are all DRM-free and you can re-download your purchased albums as you wish. Show your support to your favorite artist if you can! ps. if you are looking for Japanese albums, you have to search it in Japanese (not romaji). Just copy and paste the name. For those who want to learn Japanese through anime Resources for learning the language |
kawaii96desu said: Obviously, they didn't break any code, because there are no rules in piracy. However, their greediness is beyond comparison at this point. Even tho they make thousands of dollars every hour they still complain how poor they are and keep begging their viewers for donations via facebook pages (yea, cuz their fans who can't afford a monthly subscription are obviously rich as fuck) and forcing them to turn off their adblocking software so they can make few extra cents on top of their tremendous earnings. Hey. Yesterday they put up a warning that they don't have a Patreon account. Someone is using their name to make money. So that was what it was all about. btw, which website would you suggest for people with a slow internet speed? Mine is 1MBPS and servers like Open Load and Rapid Video taking ages to load. Beta Servers are fine but they always randomly stop streaming in the middle of the video and I have to reload the entire page to make the vid start again. Sometimes, even that doesn't work :( |
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| so... did no one tell you stealing was wrong as a kid, or are you truly an entitled piece of shit? |
Kurtvonschroeder said: so... did no one tell you stealing was wrong as a kid, or are you truly an entitled piece of shit? first - its not stealing second - even if it is, nobody cares third - some animes on crunchyroll (i dont know about netflix but they probably have too) have censored scenes, and what, someone need to pay to watch censored anime? well if you or someone else wants its your problem also player on crunchyroll is shit |
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LICK_IT_GOOD said: Kurtvonschroeder said: so... did no one tell you stealing was wrong as a kid, or are you truly an entitled piece of shit? first - its not stealing second - even if it is, nobody cares third - some animes on crunchyroll (i dont know about netflix but they probably have too) have censored scenes, and what, someone need to pay to watch censored anime? well if you or someone else wants its your problem also player on crunchyroll is shit The anime that Crunchyroll acquires are almost always the TV version unless they are older like High School DXD. So yes, every anime will be censored unless they are an older anime like Makenki and the DVD/bluray release has been long out. That is how they can show anime hours after Japan. The version they have is the version that aired. That is also how they keep the costs down. $7 to watch over 800 titles if you live in the USA or Canada isn't that much. Netflix on the otherhand always gets the DVD/bluray version. Meaning nothing is censored. :) The quality is always top notch but it is why there is always a delay to put them up. Because they aren't simply putting up a TV version like Crunchyroll is. Hulu has a mix of TV versions and DVD/bluray versions. Funimation actually tells you which version you are watching so you aren't confused by lower quality and of the services, I actually think they are the best because you can switch versions. And while watching, you can switch between dub and sub. And they have more choice than Netflix. But if it was ONLY about video quality, Netflix would win. Why do most of these services get the censored version? Because Japan doesn't want us to have a different version on a streaming service and wants us to buy the blurays. Of these services, Crunchyroll is the cheapest stand alone service. Yet provides the most anime content. |
Energetic-NovaAug 28, 2017 11:23 PM
| The anime community in a nutshell. |
| I assume op (and half the idiots posting here) are actual children who don't understand how legal ownership works. You would have to be retarded to think that you can only steal physical objects. The creator legally owns the rights to their series, and others can license it for a limited time under contract. So, if they don't give you permission to stream their show, you are robbing them of potential profits they would earn if the viewers had watched it legally. They are making money off of something they don't legally own, it's literally theft. This isn't to say that piracy can't be justified or be beneficial to the industry at times, but let's not pretend that it isn't stealing. |
GoldNautilusAug 28, 2017 11:58 PM
LICK_IT_GOOD said: Kurtvonschroeder said: so... did no one tell you stealing was wrong as a kid, or are you truly an entitled piece of shit? first - its not stealing second - even if it is, nobody cares third - some animes on crunchyroll (i dont know about netflix but they probably have too) have censored scenes, and what, someone need to pay to watch censored anime? well if you or someone else wants its your problem also player on crunchyroll is shit Thank you kind sir, you proved my point, belive you have a right to something you did not pay for... almost as if you believed you were entitled to it. As for crunchyroll, it's free to use with commercials and a one week pay wall on new episodes... oh well, I can seriously only think of one significant instance of Crunchyroll censoring anything it was Terra formers and they released an uncut version latter on. as for their player being shit... ok works fine for me but whatever. Steal/ illegally stream what you want but don't say that doesn't qualify as theft, because that is a bold face lie. |
ChadAznable0079Aug 28, 2017 11:58 PM
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