| So I just finished watching a show (on netflix) which started off as a brother and sister with a weird ntr complex thing happening, I'm really surprised I finished it. Anyways, The brother was basically secretly a powerful magical genius who everyone doubted. He's a cool guy though, laid back personality, mature, all the girls wanted him. As the show progressed, he-already the strongest person on the show, just continued to get stronger. I mean throughout the course of the show I think he got hit once. Never broke a sweat, killing people with a wave of the hand, and still they made him stronger somehow. Not as if he needed more power his enemies weren't any tougher really. But because of his friendly personality he wasn't annoying at all to me. He was pretty much perfect all the way around and I liked it. I think that was my first time seeing a show like that. Anyone else see a show like that? How do you feel about the idea of main characters being perfect? Who are some characters you would consider 360 perfect? |
| That is The Irregular At Magic High School, and there are some series like that. The older brother was actually some sort of former military operative anyway who was very powerful , in this case with magic, but was maybe kinda undercover at this school, yet there were some anomolies with his magic skills so he wasn't too perfect. |
| Perfect characters? Well I don't mind with them as long as it's reasonable on why they become like that and the story is good but seriously. Characters tto be liked the most by me if I wanted to see it animated? Me obviously. |
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| Onii-sama didn't became stronger later in the series. He was just that OP, because he is our Lord and savior. He was also one of the few saving graces of Mahouka, so... |
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| I knew which show you're talking about just from the first 2 lines you mentioned. :3 Long live the Onii-Sama swag. Onii-Sama is NOT perfect. He is the epitome of OP boring characters. A true perfect MC would not be half as boring. ( take Kiroto kun for example ) And Miyuki -> Here comes the amazing Imouto. A perfect Imouto for every prefect Onii-Sama. She's the prime example how annoying exactly an anime girl can be. The things I'd do to her... @Illyricus, Still liking Onii-Sama...., based Illy is based.... |
Z-DanteJun 25, 2016 3:21 PM
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| One Punch Man was interesting because the MC didn't like being a perfect character. He recognized that perfection itself can be a flaw. In other cases it's just annoying. |
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| When done for comedy relief (as in Sakamoto desu ga) it's actually really hilarious and adds to the overall silly ton of the show. But in a show like Mahouka, that tries to be serious, it can be annoying and boring to see the MC being to OP to the point he doesn't see have any conflicts. It relaly depends on the show and it's purpose. |
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| Show name is Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei. It was shit and I dropped it like 7 episodes in. |
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| extremelly boring when the main character doesnt have an enemy that is an actual threat, imo endless fodder killing isnt interesting |
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| Perfect characters only really work if it's a comedy/satire or the antagonist is equal in perfection. Otherwise, you have a boring Superman-style anime that starts getting predictable and uninteresting. This is why Sakamoto desu ga? and One Punch Man work. |
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| From the first 2-3 sentence of your(@Yousuck00) post, I already know that the show you're talking about is Mahouka Koukouno Rettousei (aka The Irregular at Magic High School. The show is pretty boring with all of the magic explanation nonsense and uninteresting characters. The show is actually terrible (Yeah, I hate it althrough I still watching it) and I recommend you to find better shows to watch. |
| An OP character that never lose can be fun, if the story is well written and he/she has an interesting personality.. usually is better if he/she is badass, and maybe a little ruthless... I mean when you have a ultra-powerfull character that is also a bit cruel and sadist you won't be so interested in how much does the character develop and grow up as the time pass.. instead you would be interested in how he will crush his enemies and who are the fools who dare to stay agaist him/her. At least this is how it happens in my case. The only OP MC I can think about right now, that doesn't have this characteristics, is Cadis Etrama di Raizel from Noblesse (not an anime trough). He is literally the epitome of the guy who allways save the situation with no sweat, but it doesn't get boring even trough you know what comes once he shows on the battlefield... actually ATENTION SPOILER later when he starts to have some difficulties with enemies, it makes you kind of worried when he doesn't finish that fast or get hurt. END OF SPOILER. Now that I think about, this series has also a baddass OP sadist as one of the main characters too. |
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| they work only in comedy they make a serious show so damn boring (Mahouka hellsing Overlord ...) |
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| Iroha is literally the embodiment of 2D perfection. A true goddess that all must serve towards 2D ascension from this 3D cesspool. |
| So many ppl trashing mahouka while for me its one of the best anime that i have seen and i wish we had more of OP MC cuz we get plenty of weak MCs that cant do a darn thing. But anyway perfect characters are a rare thing or i simply got hard time remembering right cuz they often given the MCs atleast some weakness so that he aint perfect. |
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PeppermintHearts said: That is The Irregular At Magic High School, and there are some series like that. The older brother was actually some sort of former military operative anyway who was very powerful , in this case with magic, but was maybe kinda undercover at this school, yet there were some anomolies with his magic skills so he wasn't too perfect. That show bothers me so much. Main dude is talented but society treats him like crap. It was really confusing. |
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Snappynator said: When done for comedy relief (as in Sakamoto desu ga) it's actually really hilarious and adds to the overall silly ton of the show. But in a show like Mahouka, that tries to be serious, it can be annoying and boring to see the MC being to OP to the point he doesn't see have any conflicts. It relaly depends on the show and it's purpose. zombie_pegasus said: One Punch Man was interesting because the MC didn't like being a perfect character. He recognized that perfection itself can be a flaw. In other cases it's just annoying. It depends on whether suspenseful action is the purpose. OPM literally builds off the fact it's character is overpowered, you know he's never losing, that's just not the point, or rather, that IS the point. But there's other elements to the story. But OPM shouldn't be judged the same way as something like Naruto. The point of stuff like that is more than suspense, and if it's about suspense, you should ignore that specific element. It's pure comedy, if you want drama, watch drama(or dramedy). I understand not liking OPM, but complaining about that element is basically like someone complaining about Naruto because the characters hurt each other. If it's not funny, it's not funny, if the joke gets repetitive then the joke gets repetitive, but don't judge parody like it's drama. "It doesn't work as joke" /=/ "the character is overpowered". edit: Too pharse it better, people too often criticize the fact that it is a joke than the joke itself. also it looks really good. madhouse thoooo |
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PeppermintHearts said: That is The Irregular At Magic High School, and there are some series like that. The older brother was actually some sort of former military operative anyway who was very powerful , in this case with magic, but was maybe kinda undercover at this school, yet there were some anomolies with his magic skills so he wasn't too perfect. That's exactly what it was! LOL. He was a perfect counter to all other magical attacks/basically immortal and could heal anyone around him. Who cares if he can't shoot ice! I like the idea of a character being at least not a weak minded sack of crap. That irritates me more than anything. |
ashfrliebert said: Snappynator said: When done for comedy relief (as in Sakamoto desu ga) it's actually really hilarious and adds to the overall silly ton of the show. But in a show like Mahouka, that tries to be serious, it can be annoying and boring to see the MC being to OP to the point he doesn't see have any conflicts. It relaly depends on the show and it's purpose. zombie_pegasus said: One Punch Man was interesting because the MC didn't like being a perfect character. He recognized that perfection itself can be a flaw. In other cases it's just annoying. It depends on whether suspenseful action is the purpose. OPM literally builds off the fact it's character is overpowered, you know he's never losing, that's just not the point, or rather, that IS the point. But there's other elements to the story. But OPM shouldn't be judged the same way as something like Naruto. The point of stuff like that is more than suspense, and if it's about suspense, you should ignore that specific element. It's pure comedy, if you want drama, watch drama(or dramedy). I understand not liking OPM, but complaining about that element is basically like someone complaining about Naruto because the characters hurt each other. If it's not funny, it's not funny, if the joke gets repetitive then the joke gets repetitive, but don't judge parody like it's drama. "It doesn't work as joke" /=/ "the character is overpowered". edit: Too pharse it better, people too often criticize the fact that it is a joke than the joke itself. also it looks really good. madhouse thoooo One punch man wasn't perfect though. He was funny looking and handled everything comically. He was the strongest but that's really all he had going for him. Sakamoto though is a perfect example. He is too cool for life! |
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YellowCorvette said: From the first 2-3 sentence of your(@Yousuck00) post, I already know that the show you're talking about is Mahouka Koukouno Rettousei (aka The Irregular at Magic High School. The show is pretty boring with all of the magic explanation nonsense and uninteresting characters. The show is actually terrible (Yeah, I hate it althrough I still watching it) and I recommend you to find better shows to watch. I liked the show. I mean I just moved so netflix is all I have available to watch stuff on right now but I surprisingly enjoyed the show. I became interested in it the more it went on because the MC and his sister have whatever family background going on that I wanted to find out. That made the main character interesting to me even though he (presently) seems perfect. OtakuDaikun said: That show bothers me so much. Main dude is talented but society treats him like crap. It was really confusing. Exactly! I'm still curious as to why. His mother, his aunt.. like wtf? |
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YouSuck00 said: So I just finished watching a show (on netflix) which started off as a brother and sister with a weird ntr complex thing happening, I'm really surprised I finished it. Anyways, The brother was basically secretly a powerful magical genius who everyone doubted. He's a cool guy though, laid back personality, mature, all the girls wanted him. As the show progressed, he-already the strongest person on the show, just continued to get stronger. I mean throughout the course of the show I think he got hit once. Never broke a sweat, killing people with a wave of the hand, and still they made him stronger somehow. Not as if he needed more power his enemies weren't any tougher really. But because of his friendly personality he wasn't annoying at all to me. He was pretty much perfect all the way around and I liked it. I think that was my first time seeing a show like that. Anyone else see a show like that? How do you feel about the idea of main characters being perfect? Who are some characters you would consider 360 perfect? The Main Character of that anime is probably one of the most OP characters ever :3 |
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Ultimatedeath said: YouSuck00 said: So I just finished watching a show (on netflix) which started off as a brother and sister with a weird ntr complex thing happening, I'm really surprised I finished it. Anyways, The brother was basically secretly a powerful magical genius who everyone doubted. He's a cool guy though, laid back personality, mature, all the girls wanted him. As the show progressed, he-already the strongest person on the show, just continued to get stronger. I mean throughout the course of the show I think he got hit once. Never broke a sweat, killing people with a wave of the hand, and still they made him stronger somehow. Not as if he needed more power his enemies weren't any tougher really. But because of his friendly personality he wasn't annoying at all to me. He was pretty much perfect all the way around and I liked it. I think that was my first time seeing a show like that. Anyone else see a show like that? How do you feel about the idea of main characters being perfect? Who are some characters you would consider 360 perfect? The Main Character of that anime is probably one of the most OP characters ever :3 @Ultimatedeath, the "main character" you mentioned are indeed one of the most OP character ever beside Galactus and Superman, but with none of the things that makes Galactus and Superman memorable. |
| It's not if he's perfect she should be taken seriously, but so he can do whatever the hell he wants and blow us away via Animation and Dialog. xD Look at OPM, Sakamoto, etc. The fun is watching what they do and how they react, but we all know they are beyond OP. But when you make a MC OP and have them fight, we know they are always going to win and it becomes a waste of time if it isn't even possible for X Character to lose. |
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| Totally depends on how it's done. I like it when the character eventually becomes perfect through hard work or he/she's perfect but the show is a comedy. |
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| I hate perfect characters. If a character is perfect, then their character traits better be executed perfectly by the writers. Perfect characters are usually boring unless writers do well with it. Irregular at Magic High School is the perfect example of a boring "perfect" MC |
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| There May exist perfect characters, but there is no perfect MC Also, the only perfect character is Nagito Komaeda |
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| i dont know but for me perfect character is sebastian from black butler or the most perfect main character ich is based on perfecliness sakamoto for me hes not perfect |
DoctorSexy said: YouSuck00 said: So I just finished watching a show (on netflix) which started off as a brother and sister with a weird ntr complex thing happening, I'm really surprised I finished it. Anyways, The brother was basically secretly a powerful magical genius who everyone doubted. He's a cool guy though, laid back personality, mature, all the girls wanted him. As the show progressed, he-already the strongest person on the show, just continued to get stronger. I mean throughout the course of the show I think he got hit once. Never broke a sweat, killing people with a wave of the hand, and still they made him stronger somehow. Not as if he needed more power his enemies weren't any tougher really. But because of his friendly personality he wasn't annoying at all to me. He was pretty much perfect all the way around and I liked it. I think that was my first time seeing a show like that. Anyone else see a show like that? How do you feel about the idea of main characters being perfect? Who are some characters you would consider 360 perfect? first characters that come to mind no game no life-sora and shiro oh yes shiro what about other shiro? |
Haneken2086 said: This is true, the comedy is putting a perfect character in an an insane situation and seeing how he deals with it. But that kind of comedy is rare to handle, especially when the character's perfection means he should be taken seriously... but if the character is taken seriously then the story gets boring. His perfection isn't suppose to be taken seriously though, that's the point lol. Just because a character is strong doesn't mean he's suppose to be taken seriously. Why would that be? |
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Haneken2086 said: ashfrliebert said: His perfection isn't suppose to be taken seriously though, that's the point lol. Just because a character is strong doesn't mean he's suppose to be taken seriously. Heroes are to be taken seriously in general aren't they? No, not necessarily, and it wouldn't be the first. Tick, Earthworm Jim and Freakazoid the most obvious examples. Anything can be comedy. |
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| i think Alphonse Elric from Full Metal Alchemist is perfect because he knows alchemist, he is so sensitive and helpfull, he is fucking handsome too |
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LogicalInjustice said: It's not if he's perfect she should be taken seriously, but so he can do whatever the hell he wants and blow us away via Animation and Dialog. xD Look at OPM, Sakamoto, etc. The fun is watching what they do and how they react, but we all know they are beyond OP. But when you make a MC OP and have them fight, we know they are always going to win and it becomes a waste of time if it isn't even possible for X Character to lose. You must be very young. Of course the main characters are going to win in all but the most bleak and grimdark anime! Main characters always win. Relax and look forward to the way they are going to win. Even if the MC isn't very powerful, and often loses his battles at first, he still wins, because the author makes a way for him to win. With powerful but inhuman characters like Tatsuya, Alucard and Overlord, the question is not "will they win", but what "will happen to other people around them?" or "will humanity lose?". Tatsuya is really good at providing moments of kindness and moments of fury, making for a pretty interesting dynamic. Askorti said: I love Onii-sama, he's indeed perfect. But the thing that I liked about him the most was that he was the guy who gave the explanations for shit, and not the guy that had to have everything explained to him. That's probably the thing that irks me the most about most MCs, they're almost always clueless about pretty much everything around them. Sometimes it's fine, when they're suddenly plunged into a situation they couldn't possibly predict or have any knowledge of, but sometimes it's like that with MCs that should know how their own damn world works. OP MCs are quite often knowledgeable and well-informed, and that's a trait that I just love. The authors often use a dumb MC to explain things to the viewer. I agree that with self-insert/wish-fulfillment characters, having them explain everything works better. But anime viewers seem to always have trouble telling apart the point-of-view character and the main character. Like Sherlock Holmes (main character) and Dr. Watson (point-of-view character who needs to be explained to). Snappynator said: When done for comedy relief (as in Sakamoto desu ga) it's actually really hilarious and adds to the overall silly ton of the show. But in a show like Mahouka, that tries to be serious, it can be annoying and boring to see the MC being to OP to the point he doesn't see have any conflicts. It relaly depends on the show and it's purpose. It's easy to see that Tatsuya is going to win when it comes to fighting. But life is not all about fighting, at least not for Tatsuya. It's the conflicts that can't be resolved with pure violence that draw the most attention in Mahouka. |
YouSuck00 said: Anyone else see a show like that? How do you feel about the idea of main characters being perfect? Who are some characters you would consider 360 perfect? Unlike some of the other people on this forums, I tend to like and watch anime on the "idealistic" and "nice" end of spectrum. I like it when the characters are being perfect. Such a nice change from all those badly flawed people. |
flannan said: LogicalInjustice said: It's not if he's perfect she should be taken seriously, but so he can do whatever the hell he wants and blow us away via Animation and Dialog. xD Look at OPM, Sakamoto, etc. The fun is watching what they do and how they react, but we all know they are beyond OP. But when you make a MC OP and have them fight, we know they are always going to win and it becomes a waste of time if it isn't even possible for X Character to lose. You must be very young. Of course the main characters are going to win in all but the most bleak and grimdark anime! Main characters always win. Relax and look forward to the way they are going to win. You must be very immature. This is in regards to both anime and other mediums. Not everyone prefers to watch a power MC, as there is no suspense in their fights or actions; however, things change when there are actual stakes OP in the sense of being perfect always needs an external stimulus for the fight or plot to make sense. Others may even call this lazy writing, because it lacks the portrayal of complex elements to add a more enriching experience to the audience. Some people may prefer not watch series in action anime where power makes a character unable to lose a fight. To them, it is too predictable and generic. It is also not as suspenseful as the MC being imperfect and doing the same thing, which shows more quality character development. With powerful but inhuman characters like Tatsuya, Alucard and Overlord, the question is not "will they win", but what "will happen to other people around them?" or "will humanity lose?". Tatsuya is really good at providing moments of kindness and moments of fury, making for a pretty interesting dynamic. You have no idea how many people view this as cliche. By design, it ends up pissing people off or having to redirect something else to look forward to. Even if the MC isn't very powerful, and often loses his battles at first, he still wins, because the author makes a way for him to win. And we can't be critical of that? No one is defending a character who is weak yet somehow "always wins". Plot armor is bad design and fans call it out, including me. However, this works in psychological and horror series: Helsing Blood-C No Game, No life You are in the minority to believe that people would prefer a character like Tatsuya from Mahouka Koukou! compared to one that actually invests writing into the anime gradually or with complexity. |
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