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AltoRoark99 said: well in terms of intellect that's again extremely subjective. Something that talks about quantum physics might be child's play to me and blow someone else's mind. moodie said: thats subjective because what u might think is attempting to impress might actually be impressing. He means attempting to impress in terms of intellect, not quality. Pretentious in the arts has been discarded for years. People should just analyze an anime instead of throw around a buzz word to discredit an anime. This is the problem with the community because they are close minded. I can't blame ppl since the average age of people on mal are still in college or even a high school. |
Zefyris said: You have a serious problem with understanding what is objective and what is subjective. Spoon feeding is completely subjective. Why? Because depending of your ability to understand, of your knowledge on said subject, of your experience of that type of plot, you will need less or more explanation. Therefore, explanations will be felt as "too much" or "not enough" depending on subjective elements. At the result, if a story explain you absolutely everything you needed (and maybe even more) to understand without really thinking by yourself, it will be spoon feeding but... If someone else needed more things to be explained and needed to think a lot on top of the explanations needed to understand the whole thing, it won't be spoon feeding to him/her. What you need to understand something is subjective, completely. And no, an anime cannot be "pretentious" Just because I can't close my mouth properly when you put the spoon in it, doesn't mean you aren't spoon feeding me. Think about that, then see if your "subjectivity" makes sense. Anime is probably the most pretentious creation in all of history. See? I can do it too! If you're gonna make a point, at least respond to what I've said rather than just banging your point again. |
| The shows within this medium are neither pretentious nor deep by themselves. It is merely the viewers (like anyone here on MAL) that would call those shows either pretentious or deep. The catch is that everyone had different thoughts about his/her description about an anime that is either pretentious or deep to him/her. |
RLinksoul said: NateMKII said: I don't get this, how do people think madoka is a deconstruction? What does it actually deconstruct? It doesn't even have half-decent characters or world building. Because people have this idea in their head that if you take a fantasy concept, do a dark subversion of it, that's what that concept would be like in real life. The meaning of deconstruction is constantly argued, but for most people it boils down to "This thing, but with the realistic implications explored" so a magical girl show where the characters get brutally killed, the powers come with a terrible price and the mascot has ulterior motives, is seen as a deconstruction of the genre because it twists expectations in a cruel way. Edit: As for the characters, the claim typically is that the characters are supposed to be bland because a deconstruction puts generic archetypes in a subversive setting and shows how they'd react when everything good about their typical setting is subverted cruelly. Sounds like a lot of edginess to me. Shouldn't a deconstruction take the tropes and unpack them, reveal their inner mechanisms and their meaning? I mean, just having people die and general cruelty doesn't work. People suffer in the world all the time, but plenty of people live great lives too. I'd say a deconstruction is an anime that tears down the tropes, finds a new way to play with them and explore the meaning behind them. Nagirah said: TheBrainintheJar said: An anime that confuses me for no good reason is pretentious. An anime with a very serious tone but no depth, no meaningful symbols or moments is pretentious. Pretentious is 'pretend', it's when an anime pretends to be something but under the surface it's not. But is it really pretentious if you're just personally confused and a lot of other people understand it themselves? Doesn't the term "2deep4u" fit better there? Also, does the anime have to be deep to have a serious tone? Akame ga Kill is serious a lot of the time, but it is very shallow and doesn't try to pretend that it's not that way. I would call it edgy, but not pretentious. I examine why it's confusing. Texhnolyze is confusing for a while because it has a very unfriendly narrative style - slow, still shots of stoic faces, little dialogue. This isn't a clever or unique method. It adds nothing and is just a cover, so the confusion doesn't add anything. I found Haibane Renmei confusing (and still is) because the story is just very different to my Western mindset. An anime can be fairly serious without pretending, but most pretentious stories have an inflated sense of self-importance. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: RLinksoul said: Because people have this idea in their head that if you take a fantasy concept, do a dark subversion of it, that's what that concept would be like in real life. The meaning of deconstruction is constantly argued, but for most people it boils down to "This thing, but with the realistic implications explored" so a magical girl show where the characters get brutally killed, the powers come with a terrible price and the mascot has ulterior motives, is seen as a deconstruction of the genre because it twists expectations in a cruel way. Edit: As for the characters, the claim typically is that the characters are supposed to be bland because a deconstruction puts generic archetypes in a subversive setting and shows how they'd react when everything good about their typical setting is subverted cruelly. Sounds like a lot of edginess to me. Shouldn't a deconstruction take the tropes and unpack them, reveal their inner mechanisms and their meaning? I mean, just having people die and general cruelty doesn't work. People suffer in the world all the time, but plenty of people live great lives too. I'd say a deconstruction is an anime that tears down the tropes, finds a new way to play with them and explore the meaning behind them. Except Madoka does deconstruct the mahou shoujo genre. It's not just little girls getting brutally killed for the sake of shallowly setting a dark and edgy atmosphere. In fact the only gruesome death shown in the anime is Mami's. |
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RLinksoul said: Because it's not any more deep or thought-provoking than any other magical girl show. It's just the cheap bait and switch stunt that shocked the viewers into thinking it's something more deep and meaningful. "Gasp! Death has consequences!" ...It always has. "Selfnessness is selfishness!" That's just Urobuchi being cynical. "Hope and despair balance out to zero!" How is that deep? It just sounds nihilistic. So basically it's a typical magical girl show made dark and gritty, peppered with Urobuchi's cynical "themes" as a way of making it seem more profound. One needs look no further than how shallow the characters are. So, in other words, Madoka is pretentious because it isn't "deep"? ._. To me it is dark and emotionally deep (i.e. vis-à-vis most stuff) but not philosophically deep (which is, I believe, what is usually meant). I'm not sure what its pretentions of depth are supposed to be, because it's honestly on a level that a small child should understand. If one does not perceive it as emotionally deep (again, comparatively speaking) I'd say that probably comes down to one's emotional character (or lack of one). If people watch it and feel a strong emotional response, its supposed pretention (as it were) succeeds. Or are genuine, strong emotional reactions pretentious if the cause isn't deep enough? The point is that pretentious, in the ordinary sense, is a claim that is usually hard to invalidate, because people can pretend to be philosophically (or what have you) deep, sharing in their sophistry; but how can something so obviously simple and emotional be accused in the same way? |
RLinksoul said: There's a difference between not being deep, and feigning deepness, using shock value, subversion and nerd fuel to make itself seem more intelligent than it is. I guess I failed to notice that it tried to be deep or intelligent - perhaps because I haven't watched anything in that genre before. None of my appreciation stemmed from "wow, this is so deep and intelligent". It was subversive, but I think it was obvious from the first episode that not everything was what it 'seemed'. |
RLinksoul said: TheBrainintheJar said: Sounds like a lot of edginess to me. Shouldn't a deconstruction take the tropes and unpack them, reveal their inner mechanisms and their meaning? I mean, just having people die and general cruelty doesn't work. People suffer in the world all the time, but plenty of people live great lives too. I'd say a deconstruction is an anime that tears down the tropes, finds a new way to play with them and explore the meaning behind them. Pretty much why I tend to dislike anime that get called deconstructions. Most of the creators of these anime don't seem to realize or care for the idea that a deconstruction can be just as light in tone as the thing it's deconstructing. Making these works darker and edgier is just a quick and easy way to wow the audience because they're not expecting it in something like a magical girl show or monster battling anime. One thing I've noticed about magical girl shows is that the news media almost never gets involved or notices monster of the week battles. In Sailor Moon for example they tend to happen in completely isolated areas where no one except the victim of the week happens to be. A deconstructed magical girl show could have the media and police be aware of these things, and become an obstruction or even an antagonist to the main characters. The protagonists are seen as just as much of a threat as the monsters, giving them all the more reason to keep their identities secret. Madoka Magica "Deconstructs" the concept of being a magical girl by showing that being a magical girl kills your social life, but it's done in the stupidest way possible, as the means of hunting witches entails to wandering around searching for these invisible barriers all evening. It doesn't explore any actual hardships and just feels like a hollow excuse to make the concept of being a magical girl more miserable. A better example would be in Fresh Precure, where the protagonists collapse from exhaustion when trying to balance fighting with their goal of becoming competitive dancers. They eventually decide to put the latter on hold for a while, but don't outright give up on it. So you're basically saying that you hate Madoka for being a dark deconstruction instead of a more light-hearted one that you enjoy so much? Madoka does explore the hardships and consequences of being a magical girl. Their wishes can backfire against them and battling the villains is literally fighting for your life. |
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RLinksoul said: Tenshi_Shura said: So you're basically saying that you hate Madoka for being a dark deconstruction instead of a more light-hearted one that you enjoy so much? Madoka does explore the hardships and consequences of being a magical girl. Their wishes can backfire against them and battling the villains is literally fighting for your life. Ignoring the use of the word deconstruction there, no. I don't mind darker magical girl shows. It's just that this one is written by a man who believes a story HAS to end tragically, a man who only knows how to write bland characters that exist to suffer and die, to the point that it gets ridiculous how miserable and angsty the show is. And if that's the case then every other magical girl show explores the hardships. Wishes being rigged to backfire because of hope and despair balancing to zero and the villain having the ridiculous entropy motive aren't in any way deconstruction of the genre. They're specific to Madoka itself and can't be applied to any other show. No other show has the magical girls powered specifically by how much they suffer, or has the "hardships" be a contract rigged to be a guaranteed death sentence. That's not "realistic" or exploring the genre's themes, that's just making them edgier. First paragraph states that you hate Urobuchi. K. First we have the mascot character that recruits new magical girls. Madoka has Kyubey that offers girls the chance to become a mahou shoujo but speaking in realistic terms, do you honestly think that people would immediately agree to explore a world they're very unaware of just for the shits and giglgles? I don't think so and that's why Kyubey offers them a wish to tempt them in doing so. Second, the mascot character has ulterior motives and is not just there to act cute. Where did I explicitly state that other magical shows do not explore the hardships of being one? You're saying that Madoka does not explore any actual hardship to which I replied that it does and that is through their wishes which has a bigger consequence. |
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RLinksoul said: Tenshi_Shura said: Where did I explicitly state that other magical shows do not explore the hardships of being one? You're saying that Madoka does not explore any actual hardship to which I replied that it does and that is through their wishes which has a bigger consequence. No, I was saying that Madoka's version of it isn't any more realistic or exploring of the concept than any other magical girl show and that the method of hunting witches is a stupid way of saying that being a magical girl ruins your social life. I honestly do not know what kind of realism are you talking about. They hang out in restaurants, go to Mami's place, Kyoko regularly goes to an arcade and Sayaka constantly visits the hospital. I don't think they've been deprived of their social life either. |
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| It's pretty funny how people ago around saying that it's an issue of people looking down on others for not getting what's not there while being mad that someone finds things where they don't see them. Like the poster that listed superficial aspects of Eva that are there just for color and assumed that that's what people think about when they call it deep. Shit's as deep as you want it to be. If you want to make an analytical essay about Doreimo and you find conections to profound topics and link it with obscure authors then all of that is there for you. If you want to watch Ergo Proxy and stop at people being named after philosophers then that's all there is for you. Trying to decide what the author wanted to do and assuming they have the absolute power to imprint just what they want in a pure animated beverage of intentions is just silly. Things can go as deep or shallow as you want to get them, and if you want to share your experience to see if others think like you then that's great even if people start accusing you of pretending something or other. Since in their experience you must be pretending, considering how they can't see what you see, you have to deal with that just like they have to deal with choosing to be retarded. |
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RLinksoul said: Tenshi_Shura said: I honestly do not know what kind of realism are you talking about. They hang out in restaurants, go to Mami's place, Kyoko regularly goes to an arcade and Sayaka constantly visits the hospital. I don't think they've been deprived of their social life either. Me neither, hence why Madoka isn't considered a deconstruction in my eyes. It doesn't explore the realistic implications of what a magical girl would be, but rather tells its own unique story, that happens to brutally subvert the genre to the point of being a dark parody of it. Again the meaning of deconstruction is heavily debated. Some view it as a dark subversion, others view it as exploring the conventions of a work and exposing the implications in a realistic context. Also, they hang out at her place because they're being recruited, but Mami's defining character trait is being lonely and being a magical girl is stated to be the reason. I don't want to debate the meaning of deconstruction either as it will only run around in a cycle but from what I could surmise from your definition, the accepted meaning of it is exploring the implications of a genre in a realistic manner. When I think more about it then perhaps if I go by your definition of what deconstruction means then I was mistaken of labeling Madoka as a deconstruction as we can't really think of a realistic effect of being a mahou shoujo as magical girls do not exist in real life. All we could do is accumulate ideas and possible results. |
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| I don't, because I don't separate anime by ridiculous, juvenile labels such as "2deep4u" or whatever other buzzword the community pulls out of nowhere. I look at anime on a case-by-case basis, and how deep some anime is in relation to another is not really what I care about when analyzing an anime. |
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| Here's a pretty little definition of the sort: "In fandom vernacular, "pretentious" seems to be a term that applies to - anything that doesn't directly explain all of its own ideas or emotional touchstones - anything that engages in styles of narrative storytelling outside of standard thriller or genre fiction beats - anything that engages in non-narrative storytelling - anything that prioritizes atmosphere, ideas, or characters over plot - anything that references other works outside of the work's own immediate cultural vicinity" In short, 'pretentious' is a word for faggots. @ Madoka haters/fangays: Enlighten yourselves |
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Miraclezify said: Zefyris said: You have a serious problem with understanding what is objective and what is subjective. Spoon feeding is completely subjective. Why? Because depending of your ability to understand, of your knowledge on said subject, of your experience of that type of plot, you will need less or more explanation. Therefore, explanations will be felt as "too much" or "not enough" depending on subjective elements. At the result, if a story explain you absolutely everything you needed (and maybe even more) to understand without really thinking by yourself, it will be spoon feeding but... If someone else needed more things to be explained and needed to think a lot on top of the explanations needed to understand the whole thing, it won't be spoon feeding to him/her. What you need to understand something is subjective, completely. And no, an anime cannot be "pretentious" Just because I can't close my mouth properly when you put the spoon in it, doesn't mean you aren't spoon feeding me. Think about that, then see if your "subjectivity" makes sense. Anime is probably the most pretentious creation in all of history. See? I can do it too! If you're gonna make a point, at least respond to what I've said rather than just banging your point again. Yes it makes sense. if we were to quantify this let's simplify things a lot . take something that require for person A explanation 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 And for person B who has more experience on the subject explanation 1,2,3. And then for person C; it require 1,2,3,4,5,6 The media explain 1,2,3,4 and 6. For A it's not a spoon feed at all, he will need to think a lot to link everything and assimilate all the part that were not explained. For C it's somehow ok, he's just missing 5. This feels like the right amount of explanation. Stills have something to think properly. This may or may not be felt as a spoon feed depending of C's taste, and of the nature of the missing explanation compared to what isn't explained. But for B, it's felt as a clear spoon feed. Too many explanation. It's subjective. To take a concrete example to make you understand now that I simplified, takes an anime happening in the modern (or even future) world where the events actually always suggest/mirror something that happened in Japan's history, and is a reflection on those past events. You're japanese, and learned about Japanese history. You don't really need the show to point out the link with those past events. It would be spoon feed if it was giving it. You're not Japanese. You don't know anything about their history. If the show takes the time to make allusion to those past events regularly, that wouildn't be spoon feed. Difference in knowledge brings difference in the number and size of the needed explanations. Which in turn leads to a difference of perception in what is needed or not. Spoon feeding is completely subjective. You didn't have any argument so that's already what you did last time. There is therefore no need to address your point on that matter, as you had no points to begin with. Lethargy said: Zefyris said: Do you really think that working in an animation studio is the kind of environment fitting for pretentious peoples? That media is looked down upon by most peoples. Peoples whith inflated ego don't go in that line of work imo. They write books for example. Like Tanaka with LOGH, I clearly felt like the author was pretentious. The creators can attempt to make it deep, and the result could make it appear pretentious. Plenty of anime try to be deep. I'm saying that for most people, those animes normally end up in one of those three categories. I was looking for some opinions (hopefully interesting perspectives), but unfortunately, most MAL users are dumb as fk and don't understand that their opinions are opinions and not the word of god. And there you have it, it's subjective. From the creator 's point of view, they made it deep, but from your own point of view, it was a failure on that point. In the end, you as the watcher judge. But the show didn't pretend anything. Difference in criteria brings difference in conclusion, and that's subjective. Someone else may think it's deep. MAL is full of that kind of discussion, you have peoples saying some stuff is shallow whereas others are protesting it's not. Take kotonoha no niwa for example. I say it's deep (and I mean it). Most of MAL think it's just scenery porn with an extremely shallow plot/content otherwise. It depends of knowledge, of personal judgement. So it's subjective and there is no way to give an universal definition of any of those categories. And as such, there is no such thing as "pretentious" here. The creators aren't bragging anything about their anime. They tried to make it deep but to your point of view it wasn't so that was a failure. But did the show or the creators pretended it was deep? I have never seen such thing happening. NateMKII said: I don't get this, how do people think madoka is a deconstruction? What does it actually deconstruct? It doesn't even have half-decent characters or world building. Because it is? it takes a really dreamy concept (teenager girls getting the power to save the world and secretly battling enemies of humanity with their magic power/transformation) and take a "what would really happen if an inhuman form of sentient life would use young girls to secretly battle an enemy? -their naivety would be used -there would be death And you could say the same about the dreamy concept a creature that comes to you to grant your wishes. "let's get real". And the consequences on the personality of the girls who got so powerful, as well as the impact of seeing a comrade die in front of them. It's ONE take about what would really happen. It's a deconstruction (as per tvtropes definition of a deconstruction, at least). You being not satisfied with the result is one thing. One could argue that it went over the top with drama and angst and the like and failed the deconstruction in reverse by going to far in the other side. That is, however; purely ONE opinion among many. |
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Zefyris said: ehh... this concept is not "dreamy" at all. there are already plenty series that came before madoka using this trope. NateMKII said: I don't get this, how do people think madoka is a deconstruction? What does it actually deconstruct? It doesn't even have half-decent characters or world building. Because it is? it takes a really dreamy concept (teenager girls getting the power to save the world and secretly battling enemies of humanity with their magic power/transformation) and take a "what would really happen if an inhuman form of sentient life would use young girls to secretly battle an enemy? -their naivety would be used -there would be death And you could say the same about the dreamy concept a creature that comes to you to grant your wishes. "let's get real". And the consequences on the personality of the girls who got so powerful, as well as the impact of seeing a comrade die in front of them. It's ONE take about what would really happen. It's a deconstruction (as per tvtropes definition of a deconstruction, at least). i am not really like the word of deconstruction in the first place because from what i take, it being original with certain trope which can be subjective as well. and how about the one who popularize trope or make certain trope that deverative from previous trope? |
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Kuma said: Zefyris said: ehh... this concept is not "dreamy" at all. there are already plenty series that came before madoka using this trope. Because it is? it takes a really dreamy concept (teenager girls getting the power to save the world and secretly battling enemies of humanity with their magic power/transformation) and take a "what would really happen if an inhuman form of sentient life would use young girls to secretly battle an enemy? -their naivety would be used -there would be death And you could say the same about the dreamy concept a creature that comes to you to grant your wishes. "let's get real". And the consequences on the personality of the girls who got so powerful, as well as the impact of seeing a comrade die in front of them. It's ONE take about what would really happen. It's a deconstruction (as per tvtropes definition of a deconstruction, at least). i am not really like the word of deconstruction in the first place because from what i take, it being original with certain trope which can be subjective as well. and how about the one who popularize trope or make certain trope that deverative from previous trope? You seem to somehow misunderstood the implication of "deconstruction". It doesn't imply that it's the first to do it, nor does it imply that it's good, or even well done. Madoka Magica is a deconstruction of the magical girl genre, but is it well done, is it good, is left to everyone's judgement. Also, it's definitely NOT the first magical girl deconstruction. I never said that :p |
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Snappynator said: Those are just buzzwords people use to make themself seem intelligent, nothing else to it. Buzzword is the new buzzword around here bro. |
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Zefyris said: i just want to stated that, but i don't really have knowladge about mahou shoujo genre so i don't write it. Kuma said: ehh... this concept is not "dreamy" at all. there are already plenty series that came before madoka using this trope. i am not really like the word of deconstruction in the first place because from what i take, it being original with certain trope which can be subjective as well. and how about the one who popularize trope or make certain trope that deverative from previous trope? You seem to somehow misunderstood the implication of "deconstruction". It doesn't imply that it's the first to do it, nor does it imply that it's good, or even well done. Madoka Magica is a deconstruction of the magical girl genre, but is it well done, is it good, is left to everyone's judgement. Also, it's definitely NOT the first magical girl deconstruction. I never said that :p what i point out is the concept is not new (little girl saving the world and it's realistc consequence). there is stuff like alien 9 and narutaru. so it's not dreamy at all. can you explain to me what is "deconstruction" actually? is school days anime deconstruction? because i consider it bad. |
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| notto disu shittu agen. every anime is pretentious bruh, they're made by human and all of them are just fiction! |
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BlueKite said: Easy, just check if the show contradicts itself. BEST.ANSWER.EVER RLinksoul said: Tenshi_Shura said: So you're basically saying that you hate Madoka for being a dark deconstruction instead of a more light-hearted one that you enjoy so much? Madoka does explore the hardships and consequences of being a magical girl. Their wishes can backfire against them and battling the villains is literally fighting for your life. Ignoring the use of the word deconstruction there, no. I don't mind darker magical girl shows. It's just that this one is written by a man who believes a story HAS to end tragically, a man who only knows how to write bland characters that exist to suffer and die, to the point that it gets ridiculous how miserable and angsty the show is. This show that tried to pass itself off as a regular magical girl show just to make a character's death more shocking. And if that's the case then every other magical girl show explores the hardships. Wishes being rigged to backfire because of hope and despair balancing to zero and the villain having the ridiculous entropy motive aren't in any way deconstruction of the genre. They're specific to Madoka itself and can't be applied to any other show. No other show has the magical girls powered specifically by how much they suffer, or has the "hardships" be a contract rigged to be a guaranteed death sentence. That's not "realistic" or exploring the genre's themes, that's just making them edgier. Do you ranting again about Digimon Tamers and Puella Magi Madoka Magica? LOL!! |
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| Why is it that a lot of people here on MAL has no fucking clue what they're talking about. "Pretentious is just a buzzword" holy shit, is it possible for people to be this idiotic? |
| deep: GITS 3deep5u: NGE pretentious: Karra No Kyoukai Of the top of my head but i hope it helps OP. |
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| Anyhow, I think these are part of the forum jargon. Preferably, you'd be able to classify anime series according your own understanding, before herding in the anime community. |
ZA_WAYD said: deep: GITS 3deep5u: NGE pretentious: Karra No Kyoukai Of the top of my head but i hope it helps OP. How's Kara no Kyoukai pretentious? |
LowOfSolipsism said: ZA_WAYD said: deep: GITS 3deep5u: NGE pretentious: Karra No Kyoukai Of the top of my head but i hope it helps OP. How's Kara no Kyoukai pretentious? It tries too much to build a premise around philosophical concepts such as conscience, essence and being but it fails to do so (from my POV), the story progression doesn't even complement or conclude what it was trying to convey making the story seem needlessly pretentious. |
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| I agree that therere shows and movies out there that are deep but arent really deep although Inception and EP arent some of them theres no such thing as a pretentious anime unless youre talking about a retarded comedy trying to be funny; Ive never heard of anyone calling CG pretentious before.. it isnt pretentious bc the protagonist has a different set of morals from you, dumbass op |
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ZA_WAYD said: It tries too much to build a premise around philosophical concepts such as conscience, essence and being but it fails to do so (from my POV), the story progression doesn't even complement or conclude what it was trying to convey making the story seem needlessly pretentious. How does it fail? I dont understand your POV because you're not explaining yourself properly. What do you think the story was trying to do or convey? Maybe I can understand you better if you explain this to me |
| Actually, I take it back. An anime can't be pretentious. Only the people who make it can. As for what pretentious is, just look up the definition. TheBrainintheJar said: An anime that confuses me for no good reason is pretentious. An anime with a very serious tone but no depth, no meaningful symbols or moments is pretentious. Pretentious is 'pretend', it's when an anime pretends to be something but under the surface it's not. Bro, just because pretentious sounds like pretend, doesn't mean they can be interpreted like that. |
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NateMKII said: I have a couple theories:Why is it that a lot of people here on MAL has no fucking clue what they're talking about. "Pretentious is just a buzzword" holy shit, is it possible for people to be this idiotic? saying it's just a buzzword or that anime can't be pretentious is an easy stance to avoid negative feedback. Example: "Utena is pretentious" "No it's not, you're too stupid to understand it", is what often happens, or what people think will happen if they voice their opinion. Or perhaps it's the desire to follow the herd, or maybe people have nothing to say but still want to post for some reason. Malarkey said: Inception is just slightly complicated, which is more complicated than most things and so people call it deep. I think it's more the subject matter than anything else, kind of how people call Lain deep because it's about consciousness and raises other metaphysical issues. I do find Lain deep, but because of how it handles its subject matter, not because of the subject matter itself.I agree that therere shows and movies out there that are deep but arent really deep although Inception and EP arent some of them theres no such thing as a pretentious anime unless youre talking about a retarded comedy trying to be funny; Ive never heard of anyone calling CG pretentious before.. it isnt pretentious bc the protagonist has a different set of morals from you, dumbass op I often find Family Guy pretentious, trying to come off as clever with its liberal pandering and insults directed at the opposing side. Yes, we get it, gay marriage is fine and weed should be legal, congratulations on translating facebook memes into a TV show. |
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NateMKII said: Why is it that a lot of people here on MAL has no fucking clue what they're talking about. "Pretentious is just a buzzword" holy shit, is it possible for people to be this idiotic? Judging by how much the term buzzword is being used nowadays, I'm guessing "buzzword" is the new buzzword? |
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sadpwner said: Actually, I take it back. An anime can't be pretentious. Only the people who make it can. As for what pretentious is, just look up the definition. TheBrainintheJar said: An anime that confuses me for no good reason is pretentious. An anime with a very serious tone but no depth, no meaningful symbols or moments is pretentious. Pretentious is 'pretend', it's when an anime pretends to be something but under the surface it's not. Bro, just because pretentious sounds like pretend, doesn't mean they can be interpreted like that. Simple Definition of pretentious : having or showing the unpleasant quality of people who want to be regarded as more impressive, successful, or important than they really are |
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TheBrainintheJar said: sadpwner said: Actually, I take it back. An anime can't be pretentious. Only the people who make it can. As for what pretentious is, just look up the definition. Bro, just because pretentious sounds like pretend, doesn't mean they can be interpreted like that. Simple Definition of pretentious : having or showing the unpleasant quality of people who want to be regarded as more impressive, successful, or important than they really are Pretentious isn't necessarily pretending. Being pretentious can occur subconsciously where the individual is unaware that he is being pretentious. In such a case, the person clearly isn't pretending but rather misguided. |
Lethargy said: People tend to say stuff like Ergo Proxy is "deep" (I think it's boring as shit and has an extremely simple theme. Maybe stuff that's "fake deep" that anyone can understand, like inception), stuff like Evangelion is "3deep5u" (lol u just don't get it, 2deep4u), and stuff like Code Geass is pretentious (These morals and themes are absolute, so deal with it). Anyhow, I think they're all just varying levels of deepness, with the reality being that in reality, everything is shallow. How do you watch Code Geass and get "morals and themes are absolute" from it? |
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| deep - gankutsuou, death note, jigoku shoujo shows where you have to read between the lines and get to know each character to understand their individual motivations, competencies, and morality, to determine what they'll do next. got to be attentive of clues that may be in plain sight but not immediately apparent plot and theme blend together well 3deep5u - mnemosyne, speed grapher, tokyo ghoul hurr all people are assholes who will go out of their way to torture or rape you for no reason muh isolation muh religious symbolism crawwwwling iinnn my skiiiiinn |
Tenshi_Shura said: NateMKII said: Why is it that a lot of people here on MAL has no fucking clue what they're talking about. "Pretentious is just a buzzword" holy shit, is it possible for people to be this idiotic? Judging by how much the term buzzword is being used nowadays, I'm guessing "buzzword" is the new buzzword? You're a bit late bruh, look at the previous page ;). HAHAHA! |
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