Do you dislike/distrust Muslims?

khunter said:


You'd distrust christians then many times throughout history I suppose. Would you not distrust many of them still though today? Depending on their beliefs, they can be just as stupid, spare the killings and all

khunter said:


Never said they only used muslims. They do use them as the bad guy quite a bit. Germans are used as the bad guy in movies when they were the bad guys. Russians and north koreans are also used. Media and entertainment clearly affects certain people's attitudes towards things, so a group of people is no different. What I said wasn't ridiculous at all.

Comic_Sans said:

I do despise their religion but most of the muslims I've met were nice people and didn't care too much about it

SmoothJazzDavis said:
I have been one, It's funny how people doesn't know anything about Islam and still talk on the subject.

Masked_Mantis said:
You mean like the majority of Muslims worldwide.

SmoothJazzDavis said:



An individual that doesn't follow what the Quran says, is not a Muslim.

Masked_Mantis said:
In the bigger picture of things that really doesn't matter. Every Islamic state has it's issues, and every "Muslim" in that state thinks they're following the Quran by following Islamic laws.

This breeds the next generation thinking the same thing.

SmoothJazzDavis said:
I have been one, It's funny how people don't know anything about Islam and still talk on the subject.

flannan said:

Do I need to know anything about Islam to see how bad it is in practice?
1) Islam is against fanservice, and they make their women wear these ugly all-covering clothes. That's horrible.
2) Islam is against freedom, and they keep forcing other people to live by their rules. They give horrible punishments and even kill people for things like wearing pants. That's horrible.
3) Islam breeds islamic terrorists, suicide bombers and so on. That's horrible.

I think this alone is enough for me to dislike Islam. Am I wrong?

P.S. before you accuse me of hypocrisy, I hate Christianity for the first two things too.

SmoothJazzDavis said:


Well, the Quran clearly says that its verses are not to take in interpretation and those verses are pretty clear anyway. A lot of people lie to themselves when they tell themselves that they are Muslims.

Masked_Mantis said:
Then why do the majority of Muslims enjoy being under sharia law and want it imposed worldwide? If death for apostacy isn't in the Quran then every Muslim condoning that and helping implement it is a transgressor. If it's that obvious and the Quran is so peaceful and literal then this shouldn't have gone on for 1400 years.

http://people.opposingviews.com/quran-say-leaving-islam-10019.html

Scholars have failed the world for insisting the Quran can be interpretted to imply death for apostacy. Hadiths state that Muhammad said whoever leaves Islam should be killed.

It's a very "you against them" scenario. Do you not see that even thinking the hadiths are valid (where sharia can be built from) is radical and extreme? Islam can't be a good idea if scholars find hadiths saying Muhammad said kill those hwo leave Islam. It simply can't be a good idea since it's essentially undefeatable.

Yumadu-nii said:
Well, all it takes to start a Muslim's path to radicalization is for them to read the wrong text or talk to the wrong imam about becoming more religious. The difficulty in modernizing Islam and making it more resistant to radical beliefs is in the fact that whereas Christianity has Jesus as a role model, Islam has Muhammad.

The issue with this is, there's a strong suggestion, some on the extreme end would say a commandment, to live as close to Muhammad's life as possible. Throughout Muhammad's life after becoming a prophet, he often went around in a group of warriors killing people and taking their stuff and women. You can see the problem with interpreting this in the modern day, and it's easy to see why groups like ISIS have their appeal to muslims who want to become closer to Muhammad by copying his war exploits, one of which is killing an entire Jewish tribe's men and enslaving their women and children.

traed said:
I certainly am disgusted by extremist muslims and they make up a large percentage of Muslims.

Masked_Mantis said:
In Pakistan someone's on death row at the moment for an apparent criticism of Muhammad. Her family are in hiding because most of the country want her dead, an if she is released even local imams say they'll make her pay for what they think she did. It's hard to have faith that they'll show mercy.

khunter said:
Though this question is as relevant as ever, I ask this after seeing the xenophobic blockbuster bust that is London has fallen starring Gerald Butler, aka worst accent actor ever.

The 'bad guys' in the movie are all muslims- and in many movies this is the case as well. Media constantly portrays them as terrible people, which leads to actual people thinking this. I mean, it's rare that people in a movie theater would actually cheer for a bunch of people dying, but people seem to love it when muslims die- who seem to be the majority root of all villains in a majority of action movies. (or a lot of movies anyway)

Not that it affects me, I'm just wondering if you don't like muslims or you hate them? & would you think western media has had a hand in your own opinion?

k0k0 said:


I think you might be confusing Raef Badawi of Saudi Arabia. Is there a way I can be linked to this news? I'd appreciate it.

k0k0 said:


Ah, it's the Asiya Noreen case. Reigned by a Judge of Sheikhpura, which happens to be among the more illiterate parts of the country, and taken to the Court of Lahore, Punjab, the province where much of the poverty-stricken and uneducated religious groups reside.
The Supreme Court has suspended the case, and two prominent political muslim figures had fought for Asiya's rights (and paid with their lives for it), and huge movements and outcries were forged for her protection by the educated minority of the country.

So, you see, while I cannot say that you cannot pin the blame on Islam, I can definitely say that you can pin the blame on illiteracy. Pakistan, as one country, should not be seen justifying this act. God knows how many riots broke out between the classes of Muslims which reside in it. If there is a side which caters to extremism, there is a side that exists which opposes it.

Just thought I'd clarify the details for you, since I was among the protestants myself and I do not consider the literate population of Pakistan to fall under the category of extremist muslims.

Spooks said:
Ive had Muslim teachers, university tutors and friends and they've all been great guys but do I trust a whole religion of people? no of course not that would be stupid. The religion is taken very very seriously and contains a lot of things that do not mesh with western ideas. It all depends how much an individual follows said religion. If they're hardcore I think as someone who represents a lot that is considered bad in the book I have a right to be more wary around people who while they may not say it consider me the enemy or think if I were in another country I'd be stoned for one reason or another.

We have true moderates who just don't take those rules too serious but we have a lott of moderates who only tell you what you want to hear but actually do believe women should be stoned ect ect.

You just cannot judge people as good or bad on a quick glance and to judge someone bad or good based on their faith right away is lax in critical thinking. This goes for declaring anyone Muslim automatically a good person as well as declaring them bad. I choose to judge based on individuals and only if I get to know them. Until then anyone, race, religion ect is untrustworthy until proven otherwise because anyone can be a bad guy or a good guy.

k0k0 said:


It is on hold. There's an appeal just this month, and I'm pretty sure she'll make it and be taken under protection after all the effort the human rights groups here have put in. There's no guarantee, but her situation has been flowing in hopeful waters.

'Educated view of Islam' isn't really an accurate phrase to use, in my opinion. You see, as a Muslim who's lived in both developed and developing countries (including Pakistan), there's a very prominent pattern I've noticed: extremism is highly linked with illiteracy. The West has probably not seen much radical raids owing to its advantageous progression in the global village. It is, in the bigger picture, not about Muslims against Non-Muslims. Trust me when I say that the obscene number of Muslims attacked by Muslims themselves is more alarming. This is a strong indicator of how extremism isn't employed solely against a differing ideology, rather, it blurs all boundaries and simply targets anything that does not condone the extremist individual/party's beliefs, even if the religion they shared was the same.

I cannot speak on behalf of all the Muslims in the West. I know that there are those who have refused to Westernize themselves while demanding a place within your communities, but I also know that there's a good portion that fits in readily and accepts the norms and culture of the local residents. Having views and acting on said views are two very different things; you cannot demand a person to remove their preferences (regardless of whether they stem from religious notions or personal ones), but you can definitely demand for them to apply tolerance. This is the difference between radicals and 'normal' Muslims--the former makes no distinction between notion and action.

When you say 'West', I hope you aren't generalizing. I don't think, and I'm sure you'd agree, that the entire of West itself cannot be grouped together to share a view, just like the entire Muslim world (and believe me, Sir, it's massive and diverse) cannot be subjected to similarly.
Therefore, I would politely disagree when you say that Muslims in other countries have encouraged Muslims in the West to kill people for drawing cartoons. This is pure generalization, I assure you, because your news may tell you the gist of reactions, they fail to deliver the other side. Always. Not to mention the fact that Islam in different countries is followed differently (not the religion itself, but the societal leniency and stigmas which prevail) and many of those countries tend to mix their culture with the religion. It is more prudent for you, then, to understand that Muslims of all colours and vibrancy exist--it's just that the bad ones always tend to stick out more and the good ones are pushed behind because, somehow, goodness is always considered overrated.